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AO - Serbia has 3 finalists

Bascule
01-25-2008, 02:16 PM
AO - Serbia has 3 finalists: Djokovic, Ivanovic and Zimonjic.
What do you think about this?

Black Adam
01-25-2008, 02:18 PM
Nothing special. Serbia is pretty young on tennis terms, the oldest being USA and Australia.

MissMelly2U
01-25-2008, 02:18 PM
I think they have inspired each other. And the timing of all this is just insane.

Tal256
01-25-2008, 02:19 PM
So does Israel : Shahar Peer , Jonathan Erlich and Andy Ram .

Renaud
01-25-2008, 02:21 PM
So does Israel : Shahar Peer , Jonathan Erlich and Andy Ram .
And France (Tsonga, Clement, Llodra )

Stensland
01-25-2008, 02:22 PM
first of all, i think the timing is pure conincidence. but on the other hand, serbian tennis players have something many others don't have, and that is guts, big time. they don't give an eff about who they're up against, what the score is or what's at stake. they go on court and take it to their opponent every single damn time, they don't take no s*** from nobody, to make it bluntly. someone on mtf already said that yesterdas and he was absolutely right about it.

Bascule
01-25-2008, 02:23 PM
Yes, Serbia is young in tennis, that's why this is strange, don't you think so?
Tal256 says
So does Israel : Shahar Peer , Jonathan Erlich and Andy Ram .
It's not the same. We have 2 single finalists.

Milaneli
01-25-2008, 02:24 PM
3 finalists and 3 finals.

Corey Feldman
01-25-2008, 02:28 PM
I could care less

hope this helps.

bokehlicious
01-25-2008, 02:28 PM
Serbians do it better :yeah:

my0118
01-25-2008, 02:30 PM
It's not the same. We have 2 single finalists.

Sorry but one of them will be crashed by someone called Screampova.

scarecrows
01-25-2008, 02:34 PM
Nothing special. Serbia is pretty young on tennis terms, the oldest being USA and Australia.

that doesnt make much sense ;)

Renaud
01-25-2008, 02:36 PM
My cousin plays tennis in Paris, you have much, much better conditions then we have. We can't even pay lessons to our children.

I hope he will reach a GS final soon.

PS : I must say it's a great performance for Serbia though ... few years ago they had absolutly no players on top and now they are doing great things....

Marc23
01-25-2008, 02:58 PM
Yes,that's very good,no matter what anyone of 3 finalists achive,just considering tennis conditiones in Serbia...

Adler
01-25-2008, 03:02 PM
They need to win these ones, all of them. It would be such a relief for Serbia I suppose

*Ljubica*
01-25-2008, 03:05 PM
Most of the Serbian tennis players were growing up in a very bad time for their country. No one who has not lived through it, can appreciate the fear of living through a war first hand. No doubt that has given them a courage and fighting spirit that people from "softer" environments just cannot hope to emulate. I guess when you know walking outside your front door to go to school may be the last time you walk anywhere, facing any opponent across a net in a tennis match isn't going to scare you. Good luck to them.

malica
01-25-2008, 03:08 PM
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/bios/nations/scoreboard.html

This is nice.

And second part of the interview says something on the conditions for tenis in Serbia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7HABRYyxyw

scoobs
01-25-2008, 03:10 PM
It's great news for Serbia of course.

Snowwy
01-25-2008, 03:25 PM
Yes, Serbia is young in tennis, that's why this is strange, don't you think so?

It's not the same. We have 2 single finalists.

And its this type of gloating attitude that makes people not care. :angel:

Renaud
01-25-2008, 03:37 PM
And its this type of gloating attitude that makes people not care. :angel:

:p

Jaap
01-25-2008, 03:39 PM
AO - Serbia has 3 finalists: Djokovic, Ivanovic and Zimonjic.
What do you think about this?

A thinly veiled "Oh please shower my country with praise" thread.

Taz Warrior
01-25-2008, 03:43 PM
Great achievement for Serbia :yeah:

jcempire
01-25-2008, 04:05 PM
Wow. AMAZING

Canas Betmaster
01-25-2008, 04:06 PM
A thinly veiled "Oh please shower my country with praise" thread.

Well, i like your country but the truth is that you cant make :"Oh please shower my country with praise" threat for it, are you ?

Corey Feldman
01-25-2008, 04:08 PM
Like me saying "Jeez I hope Tsonga wins if it helps us not to have another Napoleon".Well he certainly put an end to Napoleon Dynamite's hopes here ...

DDrago2
01-25-2008, 04:09 PM
They need to win these ones, all of them. It would be such a relief for Serbia I suppose

I am not so sure, tennis is not big in Serbia, football is everything

Jelena
01-25-2008, 04:27 PM
So does Israel : Shahar Peer , Jonathan Erlich and Andy Ram .

And France (Tsonga, Clement, Llodra )
both are true...
It's not the same. We have 2 single finalists.
that doesn't change the achievement of the other two countries though. It still is a great achievement to get three players in a final.
3 finalists and 3 finals.
as I said, we Serbians aren't better because of that. :)

Bascule
01-25-2008, 04:51 PM
both are true...

that doesn't change the achievement of the other two countries though. It still is a great achievement to get three players in a final.

as I said, we Serbians aren't better because of that. :)

Well, I understood your mother is serbian, but you grew up in Brazil. I didn't mean to insult anybody, so please don't supose the meanings of my words. If you lived in Serbia, you should know that 90% of our children can not play tennis, because it's too expensive for us. We have no conditions like France or Israel, or other countries, and the fact is that we are 'news' in tennis world. That was what I meant.

Renaud
01-25-2008, 05:01 PM
Well, I understood your mother is serbian, but you grew up in Brazil. I didn't mean to insult anybody, so please don't supose the meanings of my words. If you lived in Serbia, you should know that 90% of our children can not play tennis, because it's too expensive for us. We have no conditions like France or Israel, or other countries, and the fact is that we are 'news' in tennis world. That was what I meant.

I'm not sure it's SO easy in Israel.
Althought i don't know exatly how are conditions there...

vincayou
01-25-2008, 05:12 PM
Cheap shot, mate.

Like me saying "Jeez I hope Tsonga wins if it helps us not to have another Napoleon".

Jeezus christ, this is said tongue in cheek. I should have had ;) or :p or whatever.

I thought it was a nationalist thread.

Stephan
01-25-2008, 05:19 PM
I wish Serbia winning more good "Finals"
and not only in sport

http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/flags/Serbia.gif :wavey:

Månu
01-25-2008, 05:19 PM
That is terible thing to say.

Why is here so much racists ?

I don't think you understand the concept of racism (since when are Serbians a race?). But I agree his joke was probably not very well adapted. It's a type of humour one can't do in an international forum where it can hurt (though I personnaly think everything can be laughed about in a good context).

Moreover I don't think there is any problem joking about Napoleon in France with the French (who cares?!). It's just knowing the recent history and the very nationalist feeling in the Balkan area, then one should be careful joking about their country!

NinaNina19
01-25-2008, 05:22 PM
The conditions under which Novak, Ana, and Jelena succeeded do not pertain to the majority of Serbian children. Novak's parents were wealthy so they could pay for lessons and for him to go to Germany and train. He didn't really have to suffer in any way. Ana's mom was one of Belgrade's best lawyers and I understand that her family was at least somewhat wealthy for Serbian standards. Plus she was sponsored by a wealthy businessman. Jelena was given a scholarship to Bollettierri's. It's sad because there are so many kids in Serbia that think they can become tennis stars but this is just not realistic. To make matters worse, there is no good tennis coaching in Serbia. All of the good coaches went away.

Månu
01-25-2008, 05:28 PM
Anyway it must be a very promising weekend in Serbia... though supporting in the morning is nothing like being able to go out to a pub and cheer with a good beer...

aeronatasha
01-25-2008, 05:29 PM
Most of the Serbian tennis players were growing up in a very bad time for their country. No one who has not lived through it, can appreciate the fear of living through a war first hand. No doubt that has given them a courage and fighting spirit that people from "softer" environments just cannot hope to emulate. I guess when you know walking outside your front door to go to school may be the last time you walk anywhere, facing any opponent across a net in a tennis match isn't going to scare you. Good luck to them.

Yep, you're pretty much right. I've always loved our sportsmen for their sheer guts.
Thanks for your support!:wavey::)

vincayou
01-25-2008, 05:33 PM
I don't think you understand the concept of racism (since when are Serbians a race?). But I agree his joke was probably not very well adapted. It's a type of humour one can't do in an international forum where it can hurt (though I personnaly think everything can be laughed about in a good context).

Moreover I don't think there is any problem joking about Napoleon in France with the French (who cares?!). It's just knowing the recent history and the very nationalist feeling in the Balkan area, then one should be careful joking about their country!

Exactly, but it wasn't well understood. Well, it was a bit provocative, I expected that. ;)
And I looked for it. That serbian pride amused me, and I felt the need to itch. My only regret is that it was not funny enough. :) I expected more bad rep (just one) as well.

Neely
01-25-2008, 05:33 PM
I thought of this, too. Great achievement of course :yeah: And this reminded me a bit of some golden German years with Becker and Graf mainly ;)

The conditions under which Novak, Ana, and Jelena succeeded do not pertain to the majority of Serbian children. Novak's parents were wealthy so they could pay for lessons and for him to go to Germany and train. He didn't really have to suffer in any way. Ana's mom was one of Belgrade's best lawyers and I understand that her family was at least somewhat wealthy for Serbian standards. Plus she was sponsored by a wealthy businessman. Jelena was given a scholarship to Bollettierri's. It's sad because there are so many kids in Serbia that think they can become tennis stars but this is just not realistic. To make matters worse, there is no good tennis coaching in Serbia. All of the good coaches went away.
Very good, because I was just about writing 2 of your 3 mentioned cases, too.

Of course, people are overall right when they're saying that it is more difficult for a kid, teenager in Serbia to become a tennis pro, but this is mainly due to the war conditions back then. If you're leaving out this, it's approximately almost as tough for a poor kid in Germany, France, Britain to become a pro without any help or lucky windfalls in their early life (that they find a sponsor or supporter who sees their talent somehow somewhere).

NinaNina19
01-25-2008, 05:47 PM
There was no war in Serbia, just a bombing raid in 1999.

scoobs
01-25-2008, 05:49 PM
There was no war in Serbia, just a bombing raid in 1999.
May have meant the starting of World War I, which was triggered by the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, Bosnia with the involvement, I believe, of Serbian nationalists.

Which is all very ancient history.

horseman
01-25-2008, 05:51 PM
I thought it was a nationalist thread.
Actually, It's more like a boring thread :zzz: Made for serbians, to post smilies like:,:woohoo:,:clap2:,:bigclap:,:drink:,:banana: & such... and to scream:"weeeee!", "lovley jubbly!",... ect.
Who cares about 3 serbian finalists :ras::ras:

Shabazza
01-25-2008, 05:54 PM
that doesnt make much sense ;)

It's Adams. Making sense is not on his agenda.
It's been a great day for serbian tennis, that's for sure.

Bascule
01-25-2008, 05:54 PM
The conditions under which Novak, Ana, and Jelena succeeded do not pertain to the majority of Serbian children. Novak's parents were wealthy so they could pay for lessons and for him to go to Germany and train. He didn't really have to suffer in any way. Ana's mom was one of Belgrade's best lawyers and I understand that her family was at least somewhat wealthy for Serbian standards. Plus she was sponsored by a wealthy businessman. Jelena was given a scholarship to Bollettierri's. It's sad because there are so many kids in Serbia that think they can become tennis stars but this is just not realistic. To make matters worse, there is no good tennis coaching in Serbia. All of the good coaches went away.

Absolutely right.

scoobs
01-25-2008, 05:56 PM
The conditions under which Novak, Ana, and Jelena succeeded do not pertain to the majority of Serbian children. Novak's parents were wealthy so they could pay for lessons and for him to go to Germany and train. He didn't really have to suffer in any way. Ana's mom was one of Belgrade's best lawyers and I understand that her family was at least somewhat wealthy for Serbian standards. Plus she was sponsored by a wealthy businessman. Jelena was given a scholarship to Bollettierri's. It's sad because there are so many kids in Serbia that think they can become tennis stars but this is just not realistic. To make matters worse, there is no good tennis coaching in Serbia. All of the good coaches went away.
True but none of that is really their fault. They were lucky and made the most of it.

And I gather all three of them are trying to give something back by organising better tennis facilities within Serbia to help develop talent there, which is all you can ask of them.

Bascule
01-25-2008, 06:02 PM
There was no war in Serbia, just a bombing raid in 1999.

It's not 'just a bombing', it was sanctions, high inflation, going on front, homing the relatives who became war refugees, you should know that one family was spread all over ex-yu.
I don't want to write about this anymore, but it seems over and over again that some people are lousy informed.

Canas Betmaster
01-25-2008, 06:08 PM
I don't think you understand the concept of racism (since when are Serbians a race?).

http://www.answers.com/topic/what-is-racism-1

What is racism?

Answer: The belief that some races or nationalities are superior or inferior to others, morally, intellectually, physically or otherwise.

Exactly, but it wasn't well understood. Well, it was a bit provocative, I expected that. ;)
And I looked for it. That serbian pride amused me, and I felt the need to itch. My only regret is that it was not funny enough. :) I expected more bad rep (just one) as well.

It was a joke ? A nice one.

It is like you said that three Jewish players play in this year AO finals because of big Jewish conspiracy.

mediter
01-25-2008, 06:24 PM
Most of the Serbian tennis players were growing up in a very bad time for their country.

Bad time? true. sanctions,international condemnation and isolation(except fellow slavs and a few others) ,negative coverage.


No one who has not lived through it, can appreciate the fear of living through a war first hand

NATO bombing? yes.serbia saw bombing.

Those living in krajina,bosnia and kosovo(largely) or serving in the armies/paramilitaries can claim to have witnessed war first hand. Only Ljubicic is from bosnia AFAIK.

NinaNina19
01-25-2008, 06:33 PM
Actually a lot of Serbians live/d in Bosnia.

vidanhv
01-25-2008, 06:33 PM
I can't see any involvement of Serbia in their success. As I know, they all live outside Serbia (except Zimonjic and Tipsarevic), they never got a cent from Serbia (nor from any other country), there are no tennis centers in the country (and Djokovic himself was refused because of some administrative bullshts when he wanted to build one). So, as I am concerned, they are Serbs only because they choose to be what makes them great patriots (in best nondestructive sense of the word), but their personal success and effort to make their country looking better in the eyes of the world should not be regarded as the success of that country. Its on Serbia to pay them back, but i sincerely doubt thats goin to happen (excluding celebration on the balcony of the City Hall or whatever). Way to go Nole, Ana, Nenad, not Serbia.

Scotso
01-25-2008, 07:41 PM
Very good for Serbia, especially so soon after such a terrible war. :yeah:

*Ljubica*
01-25-2008, 08:18 PM
Yep, you're pretty much right. I've always loved our sportsmen for their sheer guts.
Thanks for your support!:wavey::)

You are welcome :) I spent some time living in the Balkan region back in the 80's when, of course, it was still Yugoslavia. I love the area, and am honoured to have many friends in Belgrade (also I have to say in Zagreb too, and in Sarajevo). I probably know more than many non-Serbs here what the people there went through, and I understand how much your sporting stars' achievments mean to you all and why. Take care :hug:

mediter
01-25-2008, 08:41 PM
Actually a lot of Serbians live/d in Bosnia.

Bosnian serbs or those from serbia proper? i understand people from serbia proper may have links and relatives there...but how often does one visit a warzone? unless you talk about intruders like arkan and co!

*snowflake*
01-25-2008, 08:45 PM
I hate coming into threads like this cause i know that some ish will pop...so yea, yaaay for us :)...and now to answer the post why i even decided to reply in this thread

May have meant the starting of World War I, which was triggered by the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, Bosnia with the involvement, I believe, of Serbian nationalists.

Which is all very ancient history.

Franz Ferdinand was killed by Gavrilo Princip who was a member of Youth of Bosnia which gathered young Muslims, Serbs and Croats...there were 7 ppl positioned to kill him and Princip "got lucky".

There were no "Serbian nationalists" because this was done to free and unite Bosnia and Herzegovina from the Austro-Hungary which annexed the theritory earlier.

So please, when you're trying to be smart get your facts straight cause partial and bias knowledge won't get you anywhere.

Månu
01-25-2008, 08:51 PM
I hate coming into threads like this cause i know that some ish will pop...so yea, yaaay for us :)...and now to answer the post why i even decided to reply in this thread



Franz Ferdinand was killed by Gavrilo Princip who was a member of Youth of Bosnia which gathered young Muslims, Serbs and Croats...there were 7 ppl positioned to kill him and Princip "got lucky".

There were no "Serbian nationalists" because this was done to free and unite Bosnia and Herzegovina from the Austro-Hungary which annexed the theritory earlier.

So please, when you're trying to be smart get your facts straight cause partial and bias knowledge won't get you anywhere.

Can you explain me then why Austria decided to declare war to Serbia, which directly triggered WW1?

It's been proven Serbian officers were behind the assassination because "Young Bosnia" was a movement towards the liberation of Bosnia-Herzegovina and the creation of a "great Serbia", kind of a pre-Yugoslavia...

Jadranka
01-25-2008, 09:03 PM
Well done Serbia :)

Cestitam :hatoff:

Aloimeh
01-25-2008, 09:23 PM
Bad time? true. sanctions,international condemnation and isolation(except fellow slavs and a few others) ,negative coverage.



NATO bombing? yes.serbia saw bombing.

Those living in krajina,bosnia and kosovo(largely) or serving in the armies/paramilitaries can claim to have witnessed war first hand. Only Ljubicic is from bosnia AFAIK.

The Krajina Serbs were brutally expelled, with thousands being massacred in that war. You ought to know that when you start this BS. Serbs were just as much victims as others. The Serbian population in Croatia went down from ~600,000 before 1991 to ~200,000 today. No ethnic cleansing there! In Bosnia, 450,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed from Muslim-Croat areas. In Kosovo, 220,000 Serbs and Gypsies were cleansed out.

How can you be so hypocritical?

Aloimeh
01-25-2008, 09:26 PM
Bosnian serbs or those from serbia proper? i understand people from serbia proper may have links and relatives there...but how often does one visit a warzone? unless you talk about intruders like arkan and co!

Why don't you mention intruders like Arab, Iranian, Afghan, Algerian, etc. mujahedeen who went into Bosnia to chop off heads of Serbs and Croats? Talk about intrusion! Serbs in Serbia want to help out their brothers in Bosnia and that somehow wrong in and of itself (I'm not talking about crimes here, I'm talking about assistance), but it's OK for Croats to get neo-Nazi and German/Austrian help and for Muslims to get mujahedeens to help them.

Aloimeh
01-25-2008, 09:34 PM
Can you explain me then why Austria decided to declare war to Serbia, which directly triggered WW1?

It's been proven Serbian officers were behind the assassination because "Young Bosnia" was a movement towards the liberation of Bosnia-Herzegovina and the creation of a "great Serbia", kind of a pre-Yugoslavia...

Perfectly well. A few points:

1.) Serbian attempts to reunite Serb areas of the Balkans were branded by Austria-Hungary as "greater Serbia." Somehow, Germany unifying under Bismarck and Italy under Garibaldi wasn't greater Germany or greater Italy?!

2.) Austria illegally annexed Bosnia, a territory that had a 0% German/Hungarian population. The population was almost 100% Slav, mostly Serb, followed by Muslims and then Croats. There were small Jewish, Turkish, and Roma minorities. Can you justify the Austrian annexation of something that couldn't rightfully belong to them?

3.) Austria was always itching to crush Serbia because Serbia was a threat to their Balkan ambitions. Serbia threatened to break up the southern parts of the empire, particularly by agitating the Serbs who lived in southern Hungary (Vojvodina), Bosnia, and Croatia, but also by agitating other south Slavs like Croats and Slovenes to break away.

4.) Austria, having been given a suitable pretext, sent an ultimatum to Serbia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Ultimatum It contains ten points. Serbia conceded 9 of them at least partially and rejected emphatically only point 6, which demanded that Austrian officials could be involved in criminal investigations in Serbia. Austria then prepared for war.

5.) Austria, NOT Serbia, declared war. If you think the Archduke's death was worth causing a world war in which millions died, then you have a totally warped sense of morality.

Bascule
01-25-2008, 09:56 PM
Wow, Aloimeh! Alleluia!
Did they, or it was just my imagination, delete some of your posts today?

vincayou
01-25-2008, 10:02 PM
It was a joke ? A nice one.

It is like you said that three Jewish players play in this year AO finals because of big Jewish conspiracy.

Actually, I could have said that to make fun of antisemites.

Not that I expect you to understand.

Månu
01-25-2008, 10:07 PM
Wait I never said the political situation in the Balkans was easy nor fair and that Austria was not rsponsible for the war. But you didn't say neither that no Serbian officers or officials were involved in this assassination! I know it was a question of taking Serbia down by Austria but Serbia had also taken Montenegro and Macedonia back from the Turks, it's not like Serbia was a peaceful country at the time... I mean I admit you have very good points, but the situation wasn't either that clear from Serbia (and their protector in Russia)

In terms of tennis though I admit the Serbian players have a very strong mental and maybe it comes from the fact that their country (maybe not themselves) has really suffered...

Aloimeh
01-25-2008, 10:19 PM
Wait I never said the political situation in the Balkans was easy nor fair and that Austria was not rsponsible for the war. But you didn't say neither that no Serbian officers or officials were involved in this assassination! I know it was a question of taking Serbia down by Austria but Serbia had also taken Montenegro and Macedonia back from the Turks, it's not like Serbia was a peaceful country at the time... I mean I admit you have very good points, but the situation wasn't either that clear from Serbia (and their protector in Russia)

Serbian officers may well have been involved. And it appears that Serbia was willing to conduct an investigation (per the ultimatum) and arrest them. I'm not saying the Serbian state was innocent. I'm just saying that Austria was the one that annexed something that was never theirs historically or even demographically (Bosnia), and the people of Bosnia, both Serbs and even Muslims (I think two of the would-be assassins were actually Muslims) wanted independence.

The Balkan wars were really wars of liberation from Ottoman occupation. As you know, not only Serbia, but also Greece and Bulgaria were involved in the liberation of the territories. Macedonia was split "along ethnic lines," although it appears that the population of "Serbian" Macedonia was not in fact Serb but more of a transitional form between Serbs and Bulgarians (more Serb to the north and west and more Bulgarian to the south and east). Montenegro was just one of the medieval Serb states, just like Travunia, Pagania, etc. in modern Bosnia/Dalmatia. The "core" medieval Serbia state was called Raska and the Montenegrin state was called Zeta or Duklja/Doklea. But their kings were from the Nemanjic dynasty, they had the same Orthodox church, language, alphabet, etc. They're really the same ethnic group, but Djukanovic and his corrupt cronies forced a referendum for independence by not including Montenegrins in Serbia in the vote, while apparently shipping in some Albanians from northern Albania to skew the vote. They still only got a 55% for independence - which means that nearly half of the population still considers itself Serb - and they aren't "colonists" or some such nonsense.

Lucinda
01-25-2008, 10:26 PM
They should start bottling their water.

roxannax
01-25-2008, 10:47 PM
So great Anna is in the finals, I can hardly wait to see if she wins. She is great, she deserves to win and what a beauty! :)

denibas77
01-25-2008, 10:51 PM
Serbian officers may well have been involved. And it appears that Serbia was willing to conduct an investigation (per the ultimatum) and arrest them. I'm not saying the Serbian state was innocent. I'm just saying that Austria was the one that annexed something that was never theirs historically or even demographically (Bosnia), and the people of Bosnia, both Serbs and even Muslims (I think two of the would-be assassins were actually Muslims) wanted independence.

The Balkan wars were really wars of liberation from Ottoman occupation. As you know, not only Serbia, but also Greece and Bulgaria were involved in the liberation of the territories. Macedonia was split "along ethnic lines," although it appears that the population of "Serbian" Macedonia was not in fact Serb but more of a transitional form between Serbs and Bulgarians (more Serb to the north and west and more Bulgarian to the south and east). Montenegro was just one of the medieval Serb states, just like Travunia, Pagania, etc. in modern Bosnia/Dalmatia. The "core" medieval Serbia state was called Raska and the Montenegrin state was called Zeta or Duklja/Doklea. But their kings were from the Nemanjic dynasty, they had the same Orthodox church, language, alphabet, etc. They're really the same ethnic group, but Djukanovic and his corrupt cronies forced a referendum for independence by not including Montenegrins in Serbia in the vote, while apparently shipping in some Albanians from northern Albania to skew the vote. They still only got a 55% for independence - which means that nearly half of the population still considers itself Serb - and they aren't "colonists" or some such nonsense.

Please stop with that non sense what is this serbian and bulgarian bulshit we have nothing with them macedonians are macedonians ende

Magenta
01-25-2008, 10:52 PM
They should start bottling their water.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/adamradosavljevic/davodavo.jpg

Best water ever :p

*snowflake*
01-25-2008, 11:06 PM
Wait I never said the political situation in the Balkans was easy nor fair and that Austria was not rsponsible for the war. But you didn't say neither that no Serbian officers or officials were involved in this assassination! I know it was a question of taking Serbia down by Austria but Serbia had also taken Montenegro and Macedonia back from the Turks, it's not like Serbia was a peaceful country at the time... I mean I admit you have very good points, but the situation wasn't either that clear from Serbia (and their protector in Russia)


I don't think that you can speak of any country from that period and say they were peaceful. The end of the 19th century til the WW1 was the time when old colonial forces like Great Britain and your France tried to maintain their theritories and the new countries like Italy and Germany with their new found indipendence and growing economy craved for the new world order. That is why the WW1 started. You had the Triple Alliance and Triple Entente long before the 1914, but they just menaged to maintain the "peace". It could've happened after the annexation of Bosnia since it was against Berlin convention. Serbia protested along with Russia and Turkey but England, France and Italy even though supporting Serbia just didn't want to go to war over Bosnia and Herzegovina. Russia, was a Serbian protector as you say but only to get their points across imo, which usually left us empty handed. They stood firmly and supported Serbia until Germany made an ultimatum and they backed away. Finally Austro-Hungary decided to step up and used the assasination of F.Ferdinand to start a world war.

*snowflake*
01-25-2008, 11:12 PM
Please stop with that non sense what is this serbian and bulgarian bulshit we have nothing with them macedonians are macedonians ende

Brush up on them books :wavey:
Seriously, you can not enter a discusion and deny history based on your current national status and feelings. Doesn't make any sense...

Sleepwalker64
01-25-2008, 11:18 PM
Does anybody remembers this Serbian tennis player?

uf3sOLOqZaA

Aloimeh
01-25-2008, 11:22 PM
Please stop with that non sense what is this serbian and bulgarian bulshit we have nothing with them macedonians are macedonians ende

Your language is almost 100% grammatically Bulgarian and largely lexically Bulgarian as well. Serbian influences are mostly in vocabulary and orthography. You aren't kidding anyone with your "we are Alexander's descendants" routine. At least if you admitted you were Macedonian Slavs and not cultural descendants of the ancient Macedonians, it would be more tolerable. Not only that, but you get pissed off when you're reminded that every single ancient/medieval monument in your country is either Greek, Roman, Bulgarian, or Serbian. The churches in Ohrid, Prilep, Lesok, etc. - all Bulgarian, Serbian, or Byzantine.

Bascule
01-26-2008, 12:02 AM
Does anybody remembers this Serbian tennis player?

uf3sOLOqZaA

Ofcourse, I watched his matches when I was a kid.

denibas77
01-26-2008, 12:06 AM
Your language is almost 100% grammatically Bulgarian and largely lexically Bulgarian as well. Serbian influences are mostly in vocabulary and orthography. You aren't kidding anyone with your "we are Alexander's descendants" routine. At least if you admitted you were Macedonian Slavs and not cultural descendants of the ancient Macedonians, it would be more tolerable. Not only that, but you get pissed off when you're reminded that every single ancient/medieval monument in your country is either Greek, Roman, Bulgarian, or Serbian. The churches in Ohrid, Prilep, Lesok, etc. - all Bulgarian, Serbian, or Byzantine.

look idiot when bulgarians speak I don't understend absolutly nothing neighter I can read bulgarian text.We never said that we are 100% alexander descendents, but south slavs when they came at this region they mingle with tribs that live there (Aleksandar descendants).roman monuments are everywhere what's your point.The churches in ohrid ,prilep lesok are macedonian .ciril and metodij are Macedonian ,brothers Miladinov are Macedonians,you bulgarians are stealing our history.You and serb should stop dreaming about dusan kingdom and san stefanic bulgaria.Only reason we were devided between Bulgaria ,Greece and Serbia is because we didn't have regent instal from big powers,bulgarian czar was not bulgarian but german,same with greeks
p.s to uniq.ladii : no just you serbs are right how can anybody be right,exept you serbs.stop with your serbian romantic history,I know who am I and you not going to tell me.stop learning history from the ones that get you in five wars in last 10 years. good luck with Kosovo by the way:rolleyes:

Renaud
01-26-2008, 12:48 AM
Does anybody remembers this Serbian tennis player?


I saw him only once in 1991 when Yougoslavia played against France in DC...
Croats (Prpic and Ivanisevic) refused to play.
It was already the end of his career but he managed to win 2 sets against a young gun. ( :p )

1HHBBSRiW7Q

General Suburbia
01-26-2008, 12:50 AM
They will all lose.

sawan66278
01-26-2008, 01:00 AM
AO - Serbia has 3 finalists: Djokovic, Ivanovic and Zimonjic.

No, only two, WTA tour doesn't count.;)

sawan66278
01-26-2008, 01:04 AM
By the way, does anyone remember the match at the U.S. Open when Johnny Mac played Slobodan...and Johnny Mac went INSANE. His cursing barrage was legendary. If anyone can find that clip, please post it. Instant classic. It actually got him suspended from the tour for a few months.

Alex999
01-26-2008, 01:32 AM
By the way, does anyone remember the match at the U.S. Open when Johnny Mac played Slobodan...and Johnny Mac went INSANE. His cursing barrage was legendary. If anyone can find that clip, please post it. Instant classic. It actually got him suspended from the tour for a few months.

Sawan, it was Australian Open in mid 80s I think.

Henry Chinaski
01-26-2008, 01:36 AM
congrats to Siberia. Good achievement.

sawan66278
01-26-2008, 02:39 AM
Sawan, it was Australian Open in mid 80s I think.

That was Pernfors vs. Johnny Mac.

Corey Feldman
01-26-2008, 02:41 AM
i will piss myself laughing if every one of them lose

Corey Feldman
01-26-2008, 03:29 AM
well thats 1 of them down

2 to go :D

Alex999
01-26-2008, 04:29 AM
well thats 1 of them down

2 to go :D

Well, Escude look at Ana (forget about Novak etc.) If you are a straight guy how can you not like her ;)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2897/anaivyk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By alexcgy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/alexcgy)

gomeny
01-26-2008, 04:42 AM
She's above average so are a lot of girls:confused:

mediter
01-26-2008, 04:44 AM
How can you be so hypocritical?

stupid question.it came from misintrepretation of my posts.

I am not taking sides. I was only pointing out that serbs in serbia did not have to face war first hand except NATO BOMBING and those directly involved in the croatia and bosnia wars.

but i don't like certain people and unhealthy tendencies i saw from all sections in the region.

Corey Feldman
01-26-2008, 04:45 AM
She's pretty, Alex

but so is Maria ;)

Aloimeh
01-26-2008, 04:48 AM
Well, Escude look at Ana (forget about Novak etc.) If you are a straight guy how can you not like her ;)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2897/anaivyk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By alexcgy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/alexcgy)

In Escude's world, because he hates Novak, the logical conclusion: Serbien muß sterbien

I feel bad for her. With "squeakygate" and all, and then the heartfelt speech and the tears. I hope she does better next time.

Alex999
01-26-2008, 04:54 AM
In Escude's world, because he hates Novak, the logical conclusion: Serbien muß sterbien

I feel bad for her. With "squeakygate" and all, and then the heartfelt speech and the tears. I hope she does better next time.

I know what you mean. I felt so bad for her. Ana :smooch:

Stensland
01-26-2008, 09:41 AM
i don't like her at all, she's too "briefed" for the press, trying desperately to act like the nice girl next door, smiling constantly etc. she's acting natural, that's all.

i do think she's pretty though, but not really beautiful. but then again: she's easily top 5 material on the wta look-wise, which isn't that much of an achievement on the other hand.

my0118
01-26-2008, 10:58 AM
Wow, liking tennis players by their looks. No wonder there are so many jerks on the forum.

Månu
01-26-2008, 11:11 AM
And France (Tsonga, Clement, Llodra )

Actually France had 4, because this morning Jeremiasz lost his final in mens WC singles ;)

Petrovic
01-26-2008, 11:55 AM
I can't believe where this topic went , ww1 and tennis, you people are sick .
But i must admit some very good points of view on balkan subject.

NOVAK TO WIN AO

7.2%
01-26-2008, 06:52 PM
Surprising.

Aloimeh
01-26-2008, 06:59 PM
Surprising.

Your first response was very ugly. And I'm not surprised, given what I've seen from some others on MTF.

Corey Feldman
01-26-2008, 07:03 PM
stop your crying Aloimeh

Aloimeh
01-26-2008, 07:08 PM
stop your crying Aloimeh

Crying? I have nothing to cry about. Maybe you cried when Federer lost. I certainly didn't cry when Ana lost - a little disappointed for her, perhaps, but I'm sure she'll have more chances. She may be from the same country as Djokovic, but she doesn't possess his arrogance and mental strength and frankly doesn't have the game yet to challenge an in form Sharapova or Henin. If she wants to win, she needs to improve a lot of things - more consistent forehand, better backhand, better movement, etc. She also needs to get a coach.

Corey Feldman
01-26-2008, 07:11 PM
She needs to improve her stupid fist pump celebration

its as if she wants to bite her hand when she does it, unreal.

Gustavkrklec
01-26-2008, 07:42 PM
look idiot when bulgarians speak I don't understend absolutly nothing neighter I can read bulgarian text.We never said that we are 100% alexander descendents, but south slavs when they came at this region they mingle with tribs that live there (Aleksandar descendants).roman monuments are everywhere what's your point.The churches in ohrid ,prilep lesok are macedonian .ciril and metodij are Macedonian ,brothers Miladinov are Macedonians,you bulgarians are stealing our history.You and serb should stop dreaming about dusan kingdom and san stefanic bulgaria.Only reason we were devided between Bulgaria ,Greece and Serbia is because we didn't have regent instal from big powers,bulgarian czar was not bulgarian but german,same with greeks
p.s to uniq.ladii : no just you serbs are right how can anybody be right,exept you serbs.stop with your serbian romantic history,I know who am I and you not going to tell me.stop learning history from the ones that get you in five wars in last 10 years. good luck with Kosovo by the way
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You are a such a looser. Cyril and Methodius are Greeks. All churches you have , you stole from Serbian dinasty of Nemanjich> You trying make connections with Alexander is hilarious are you stupid???????????
And also, good luck with albanians in your own country, Serbia will exist with or without Kosovo, but your country with stolen name vil not very soon.

Snowwy
01-26-2008, 08:00 PM
Heh, when did this turn into a political message board.

Aloimeh
01-26-2008, 08:14 PM
Heh, when did this turn into a political message board.

It started when some idiot made a "joke" about Serbian tennis players and WWI. So idiotic really, especially since it's factually and historically incorrect. But I'll let that pass.

Gustavkrklec
01-26-2008, 08:28 PM
It started when idiot show up on discussion.

RickDaStick
01-26-2008, 08:49 PM
Aolimeh: I think you are on the wrong board. All you do is post political novels on here. You have 148 posts and I dont think more than 10 % of those are about tennis.

Aloimeh
01-26-2008, 09:05 PM
Aolimeh: I think you are on the wrong board. All you do is post political novels on here. You have 148 posts and I dont think more than 10 % of those are about tennis.

Well, I only started following tennis again recently, with last year's FO. I watched tennis as a child - the Sampras, Agassi, Rafter matches, but didn't really follow or even care again until recently. To be honest, I was first attracted to observing Djokovic's play because he's Serbian, but right now I'm much more fascinated with him as a player. To be sure, I don't think his game is particularly beautiful, but there is a kind of explosive fearless confidence that suffuses the entire game, and I'm quite impressed with his showing against Federer in this AO and even last year. I dislike many things about him - the public impersonations, some of his family's behavior, his pissiness on court, his post-match interviews which are full of arrogance (although I think that this last one was more than usually over the top because of "revenge" against Federer's unpleasant comments from a while back, i.e. "injuries...joke"). But Djokovic's fearlessness and mental and physical solidity suggest to me that we may have a nascent champion. Hopefully with time he and his family will mellow out a bit, tone down on the arrogance and histrionics, and then he will be a bit more appealing as a person.

As for political discussions, I love politics and history, as I'm sure many others here do as well.

Aerion
01-26-2008, 09:15 PM
Well, I understood your mother is serbian, but you grew up in Brazil. I didn't mean to insult anybody, so please don't supose the meanings of my words. If you lived in Serbia, you should know that 90% of our children can not play tennis, because it's too expensive for us. We have no conditions like France or Israel, or other countries, and the fact is that we are 'news' in tennis world. That was what I meant.

Yes what you're seeing is the cream of the crop; the elite. Same with the Russians. Most people cannot afford to belong to clubs to play tennis I would presume. ;)

denibas77
01-26-2008, 09:34 PM
You are a such a looser. Cyril and Methodius are Greeks. All churches you have , you stole from Serbian dinasty of Nemanjich> You trying make connections with Alexander is hilarious are you stupid???????????
And also, good luck with albanians in your own country, Serbia will exist with or without Kosovo, but your country with stolen name vil not very soon.
Cyril and Methodius are Greeks:eek::rolleyes::o

Dzordzzz!
01-26-2008, 09:38 PM
well thats 1 of them down

2 to go :D

Get a life man...

Aloimeh
01-26-2008, 09:49 PM
Cyril and Methodius are Greeks:eek::rolleyes::o

Cyril and Methodius were most likely either purely Greek or were the sons of a Greek father and a Slavic mother, and were from the Greek city of Thessaloniki. They were fluent in both Greek and the language now known as Old Church Slavonic.

Now, what do they have to do with "Macedonians." They weren't from anywhere in Vardar Macedonia, they were fully or half Greek, and the modern Slavic group they would be closest to (if they were indeed half Slav) is Bulgarians.

P.S. I'm not Bulgarian.

Now, stop stealing other peoples' histories, will you?

From wikipedia:

Cyril and Methodius (Greek: Κύριλλος και Μεθόδιος, Old Slavonic: кѵрилъ и меѳодии (Kỳrilŭ i Methodii)[1]) were two Byzantine Greek brothers born in Thessaloniki in the 9th century, who became missionaries of Christianity in Khazaria and Great Moravia.

"It is a long lasting dispute: who were Constantine-Cyril and Methodius—Greeks or Bulgarians?"[3]. Their father, Leon, was a Byzantine military officer (with the rank of drungarios) in the thema of Thessaloniki and their mother was his wife, Maria. Opinions about their ethnicity vary from both Greek parents through Greek father and Slavic mother[4] to purely Slavonic (or, more specifically, Bulgarian) origin[5]; the "Slavonic" and "mixed origin" versions are seen as a possible explanation of the fluency of the two brothers in the local Slavic dialect, although historic sources suggest that Slavic was spoken fluently by most Salonikans due to the predominance of Slavs in Macedonia.

Cyril's birth name was Constantine (Greek: Κωνσταντίνος Konstantínos) and he was probably renamed Cyril (Greek: 'Lordly') just before his death in Rome.

The two brothers lost their father at a young age, and their uncle Theoktistos (Greek: Θεόκτιστος) became their protector. Theoktistos was a "Logothetes tou dromou," a powerful Byzantine official, responsible for the postal services and the diplomatic relations of the Empire. He was also responsible, along with the regent Bardas, for initiating a far-reaching educational program within the Empire which culminated in the establishment of the University of Magnaura, where Constantine/Cyril was to teach.

shpritzer
01-27-2008, 01:45 AM
Well done Serbia :)

Cestitam :hatoff:

that's very nice of you to say :yeah:

however, i don't understand (actually, i do ;)) why the accomplishments of one individual make people feel better about themselves? i am happy when novak wins, but i didn't contribute to that in any way. yes, he's serbian, i'm serbian, but who cares!

Gustavkrklec
01-27-2008, 02:12 AM
There is not even 0.0000001% that Cyril and Methodius were Slavic Macedonians. Because Slavic Macedonia did not exist at that time (it was a part of Serbia). As simple as that.

And of course they were Greeks. I just can not believe you guys in Slavic Macedonia believed they were Slavic.
I will repeat what Aloimeh said :"Now, stop stealing other peoples' histories, will you?"

Aloimeh
01-27-2008, 02:45 AM
There is not even 0.0000001% that Cyril and Methodius were Slavic Macedonians. Because Slavic Macedonia did not exist at that time (it was a part of Serbia). As simple as that.

And of course they were Greeks. I just can not believe you guys in Slavic Macedonia believed they were Slavic.
I will repeat what Aloimeh said :"Now, stop stealing other peoples' histories, will you?"

This is innacurate. Serbia at the time of Cyril Methodius barely existed and certainly didn't reach that south. At the time the territory in which Cyril and Methodius lived was Byzantine (Greek), and perhaps what is today Vardar Macedonia was under Bulgaria or the Byzantine empire, but not Serbia.

vidanhv
01-27-2008, 03:33 AM
This thread is incredible!!!! HAHAHAHAHA Cyril and Methodius, origins of Macedonian nation, Bulgarian influences, WTF r u talking about. 16 people entered into various finals and three of them happens to be from Serbia. And when they finish with their matches, they will go back to MONTECARLO, SWITZERLAND and one in Serbia. Soooo... i don't see such a huge involvement of Serbia in their carriers... Its understandable to be happy as Serbian, but to take their victories as the victories of the nation??? I don't like it even in football.

Lee
01-27-2008, 03:59 AM
For whoever prefers to discuss politics in the Balkan area/Serbia/etc. Please remember there are threads in NT about this subject and let's just talk about tennis here. I have bumped the 2 threads in NT so they should be on the first page ;)

Thanks!

horseman
01-27-2008, 04:03 AM
:tape::haha::haha:
Oh, man... What is this topic about? I can not believe that you are speaking about serbian pre-medieval history :haha::haha:
I don't know who's going to read all this sh*t... Boooring :ras::ras::ras:

Gustavkrklec
01-27-2008, 04:11 AM
This thread is incredible!!!! HAHAHAHAHA Cyril and Methodius, origins of Macedonian nation, Bulgarian influences, WTF r u talking about. 16 people entered into various finals and three of them happens to be from Serbia. And when they finish with their matches, they will go back to MONTECARLO, SWITZERLAND and one in Serbia. Soooo... i don't see such a huge involvement of Serbia in their carriers... Its understandable to be happy as Serbian, but to take their victories as the victories of the nation??? I don't like it even in football.
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That is bulshit, they all have adressess somevhere else, but in reality they all live in Belgrade and every moment outside of tennis court they spending in Serbia.

*snowflake*
01-27-2008, 12:16 PM
look idiot when bulgarians speak I don't understend absolutly nothing neighter I can read bulgarian text.We never said that we are 100% alexander descendents, but south slavs when they came at this region they mingle with tribs that live there (Aleksandar descendants).roman monuments are everywhere what's your point.The churches in ohrid ,prilep lesok are macedonian .ciril and metodij are Macedonian ,brothers Miladinov are Macedonians,you bulgarians are stealing our history.You and serb should stop dreaming about dusan kingdom and san stefanic bulgaria.Only reason we were devided between Bulgaria ,Greece and Serbia is because we didn't have regent instal from big powers,bulgarian czar was not bulgarian but german,same with greeks
p.s to uniq.ladii : no just you serbs are right how can anybody be right,exept you serbs.stop with your serbian romantic history,I know who am I and you not going to tell me.stop learning history from the ones that get you in five wars in last 10 years. good luck with Kosovo by the way:rolleyes:

From what i can see you are very frustrated, narrow minded and fairly uneducated (as far as history goes) individual...therefore any further discussion with you is useless
As it goes for Kosovo, i guess you would feel right at home there considering that around 1/3 of your population are Albanians :wavey: Have a nice day :)

n.sad
01-27-2008, 12:30 PM
first of all, i think the timing is pure conincidence. but on the other hand, serbian tennis players have something many others don't have, and that is guts, big time. they don't give an eff about who they're up against, what the score is or what's at stake. they go on court and take it to their opponent every single damn time, they don't take no s*** from nobody, to make it bluntly. someone on mtf already said that yesterdas and he was absolutely right about it.

i agree with you 100%