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Who's more talented: Tsonga or Djokovic

Allure
01-25-2008, 12:51 AM
During the Nadal-Tsonga match, Patrick McEnroe said Tsonga plays like Djokovic but with more variety. He then said Novak was quicker. Who do you think is the more talented player?

Voo de Mar
01-25-2008, 12:56 AM
I don't know who is more talented but Baby Ali looks like a player with more skills in his repertoire of strokes. Tennis is a matter of consistence. IMO Rios has the same skills what Arazi but one of them was No. 1 in the world and the other "only" 22nd.

LocoPorElTenis
01-25-2008, 12:57 AM
Tsonga and Djoko play in the same way? :retard:

Johnroberts
01-25-2008, 01:30 AM
I would pick Djokovic since he got into the semis of all four majors at such a young age.

anousleshommes@h
01-25-2008, 01:32 AM
Tsonga

Farenhajt
01-25-2008, 02:13 AM
Basically, Novak facing Nadal (and needing a quick win) would've had to do exactly what Jo had done - to bank profusely on Rafa stubbornly staying well behind the baseline and expose him to a downpour of drop volleys ("Waiting for an unforced? Watch this."). It still remains to be seen if Nole has further improved his net game, but IMHO, nothing Tsonga did to Nadal isn't beyond Nole's abilities.

As for the tactics/intelligence/toughness, I'd give a slight edge to Nole (if only because my data pool on him is larger).

I really hope Tsonga will keep going on like this, since so far he appears to be the only youngster who could give Novak some food for thought in the months to come - and of course, their clashes should be very interesting to follow.

Experimentee
01-25-2008, 02:16 AM
I think Tsonga is more talented, but talent doesnt always translate to consistent good results. Nole has better mental strength and consistency.

gomeny
01-25-2008, 02:19 AM
Djokovic, uses his game much more effectively and mentally stronger.


edit: I'm dumb

Experimentee
01-25-2008, 02:21 AM
Tsonga plays nothing like Djokovic btw.

Fedex
01-25-2008, 03:25 AM
I think Tsonga is the more talented player, but that doesn't necessarily translate to results.
Tsonga does have a more powerful serve, more variety in his game and is a much superior volleyer. His first title is coming soon enough, but I don't think it will be here.
Still, an outstanding run by him and he absolutely destroyed Nadal. I don't think I've ever seen Nadal beaten so resoundly.(I didn't see the Nalbandian matches last fall)

~Jin~
01-25-2008, 04:11 AM
Tsonga:p

Robshots
01-25-2008, 04:16 AM
If I was buying shares in either of them I'd take Djokovic, Tsonga has been amazing this tournament but I'd like to see a little more of it yet. Both VERY exciting!

jackieglover
01-25-2008, 04:27 AM
Ali-Tsonga.

pricdews
01-25-2008, 04:29 AM
I think Djokovic is more talented than Tsonga. But I'm confused by the poll? Why did you list Federer & Tsonga? It doesn't fit with the thread topic.

mickymouse
01-25-2008, 04:31 AM
Djokovic has yet to beat Nadal with such a convincing scoreline. However, in tennis, consistency is more important than talent.

Turquoise
01-25-2008, 05:04 AM
Tsonga is undeniably talented. He tends to play on instinct, he's fearless going for his shots, and he's been impressive building on the momentum of his matches in this AO. Thus far he has not caved under pressure but then again, he hasn't really needed to as his opponents appear not to have been fully prepared for his onslaught - next time, they'll be ready. One of Tsonga's weaknesses last year was his inability to switch to a game plan 'B' whenever he was in tight situations and fell behind. This year, it will be interesting to see if he can sustain his level more consistently - I certainly hope so.

Djokovic of course has the talent, plus he's a consistently strategic player. So, at this point in time, I would favour him as a more complete player than Tsonga.

Still, Tsonga has my enthusiastic support every time.

JediFed
01-25-2008, 05:06 AM
Djokovic.

They both have 0 slams, but he has beaten Federer. :angel:

Bilbo
01-25-2008, 05:30 AM
They both have 0 slams, but he has beaten Federer. :angel:

he was lucky in that match

Adler
01-25-2008, 05:34 AM
Come on, talent is not measurable

Kristen
01-25-2008, 05:50 AM
What came first, the chicken or the egg? [Actually, isn't that a thread on MTF?]

Had the poll options been labelled appropriately, I may have voted differently. Having only seen a couple of matches of Tsonga, and only noticing him this year, I can't be sure. I'll come back to this when their careers are over :yeah:

Action Jackson
01-25-2008, 05:52 AM
Tsonga might have more natural ability, but Djokovic is more than likely to have better results.

Djokovic faster than Tsonga, well PMac thinks that Roddick has a good game for clay.

Mnu
01-25-2008, 07:27 AM
Two very talented player, I think it's a bit early to judge Tsonga. He's shown during the AO that he can be very consistent and mentally ready, he is very powerful but has a lot of touch as well. Djoko is more complete however, a better BH that can make a difference.

We'll see if they play each other soon!

RickDaStick
01-25-2008, 07:29 AM
bring this back up to discussion when Tsonga has made it to SF or better of all 4 GS. until team its stupid to even compare

Leo
01-25-2008, 07:40 AM
:retard thread:

vincayou
01-25-2008, 09:10 AM
Djoko better backhand, Tsonga better serve, forehand and volley. But Tsonga is new and player are not used to play against him. He'll have to back these amazing results.

FluffyYellowBall
01-25-2008, 09:27 AM
Whats all the hype about Tsonga??!?!! If Nalbandian couldnt make a good come after beating the top 3 players twice i DOUBT Tsonga can...

Deivid23
01-25-2008, 09:55 AM
Djoko better backhand, Tsonga better serve, forehand and volley.

Yes, not sure, not a chance, yes

~Jin~
01-26-2008, 11:34 AM
Tsonga.

__
01-26-2008, 12:04 PM
Laughable comparison :)

Deivid23
01-26-2008, 12:17 PM
Tsonga only wins clearly at the volley department. But it looks like people measure talent just bc of this :lol:.

Imo it´s not even close, Djokovic is the better player and the more talented one, he returns much better off both wings, has a way better backhand, defends better, his forehand might not have that power (debatable) but he can hit better angles and counter punch much better with it plus he hits so much better in the run, his serve is not that varied like JW´s one but it´s as effective as Tsonga´s and Nole moves miles better and he´s stronger mentally. Laughable more people think Tsonga is better, bandwagon rules!

Pea
01-26-2008, 02:36 PM
Tsonga is deceivably fast. Maybe because he's bigger and much more athletic that his speed is unnoticeable.

Tsonga is much ore talented, but looks like Novak will have a much better career.

zicofirol
01-26-2008, 02:49 PM
tsonga, i just think he has a more complete game. And he reminds me of safin, they way he is built and how hard he hits the ball.

vincayou
01-26-2008, 03:24 PM
Yes, not sure, not a chance, yes

Backhand and Volley are clearly for advantage Djoko and Tsonga respectively.

I agree on second thought that serve is even, Tsonga has a better first serve, djokovic a better second serve.
Forehand, I really don't see it as "not a chance", it's even at best for the joke. Djoko might have a steadier one, but it's a bigger weapon for Tsonga. Especially this tournament.

Burrow
01-26-2008, 03:26 PM
For starters Tsonga is not Muhammad Ali, he isn't a boxer. :retard:

But I say Tsonga.

Deivid23
01-26-2008, 03:37 PM
Forehand, I really don't see it as "not a chance", it's even at best for the joke. Djoko might have a steadier one, but it's a bigger weapon for Tsonga. Especially this tournament.

Hitting harder doesn´t mean having a better fh. Tsonga can hit bigger but Nole can hit it very strongly as well plus he can create better angles, it´s a much more "controlled" shot as a weapon and it´s overall much more consistent to me, therefore I rate his fh higher than JW´s one

Manon
01-26-2008, 04:12 PM
After AO 2008 Tsonga will fade away like many others...They're all talented enough but someone has a brain, someone not...

In fact, Tsonga=Puerta, you'll see.

Clara Bow
01-26-2008, 05:15 PM
After AO 2008 Tsonga will fade away like many others...They're all talented enough but someone has a brain, someone not...

In fact, Tsonga=Puerta, you'll see.

Oh please- a little early to start throwing drug accusations around. Sheesh....why would you say that- the kid just got in shape. That is possible to do as a 21/22 year old without drugs you know. Where are you getting the foundation for such an ugly accusation?

And I think that one thing that has been good about Jo this tournament is that he has started to add a lot more tactics to his game- and has gotten a tennis brain.

I still think that Nole is steadier while Jo is flashier and Nole will have a better carrer. But I can't agree with you that Tsonga has no brain is on drugs.

mangoes
01-26-2008, 05:22 PM
Tsonga has more talent but lacks the consistency. If he is able to build from the AO run.........and my gut says that he will.........then he will believe in himself and win the matches he should be winning. His first set with Nadal was very telling of his talent. He was thinking out there and mixing it up really well. I don't think he is another Gonzo who just had a lucky run. I think this may be his coming out party. Not to mention, his charm with the crowd is very, very nice.

mangoes
01-26-2008, 05:23 PM
After AO 2008 Tsonga will fade away like many others...They're all talented enough but someone has a brain, someone not...

In fact, Tsonga=Puerta, you'll see.

Well, that's the first I've read of this accusation. Simply rich coming from a Djokovic fan:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Now, STFU.

vidanhv
01-26-2008, 05:37 PM
Why does it matter? Naturally talented!!! Naturally talented that do not practice and have no stamina play in their courtyard! Both Nole and Tsonga are amazingly talented players and they are doing some incredible job at the first GS of the year. But when you look at the results, Nole clearly is more gifted, and by saying that, I do not mean that he is more talented in feeling the game, but has a better physical structure to save him from serious injuries, psychological stamina and incredible passion to work hard. However, I enjoy watching Tsonga, because for a long time I didn't see such a passion on the court. Extremely attractive play!

safinalium
01-26-2008, 06:16 PM
It's really subjective to compare talent. I like Nole, he's one of the best guys on tour right now but i would choose Tsonga. He played so incredibly well these two weeks, perfect game, shots - it's all natural. Lets see if he'll be consistent too. :worship:

Merton
01-26-2008, 06:51 PM
Tsonga might have more natural ability, but Djokovic is more than likely to have better results.

Djokovic faster than Tsonga, well PMac thinks that Roddick has a good game for clay.

There is no doubt that Tsonga is faster but I think that Nole has better footwork and also better anticipation. I hope that is what PMac had in mind :shrug:

Merton
01-26-2008, 06:55 PM
Hitting harder doesnt mean having a better fh. Tsonga can hit bigger but Nole can hit it very strongly as well plus he can create better angles, its a much more "controlled" shot as a weapon and its overall much more consistent to me, therefore I rate his fh higher than JWs one

I am not sure, in this tournament Tsonga picks his moments, he does not go brainlessly for the big one. Also the Djokovic forehand, while better controlled and more capable of creating angles, it is also prone to breaking down on the run, actually how well it will perform will be one of the keys for the final imo.

Merton
01-26-2008, 06:57 PM
To answer the thread question, it is ridiculous to compare the two at the moment, based literally on one tournament, and yes, that will be true even if Tsonga won in straight sets.

Gustavkrklec
01-26-2008, 07:10 PM
And you are idiot if you believe in that.

Gustavkrklec
01-26-2008, 07:11 PM
The last is for Bilbo idiot
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediFed
They both have 0 slams, but he has beaten Federer.

he was lucky in that match
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Alex999
01-26-2008, 08:55 PM
The last is for Bilbo idiot
Quote:
Originally Posted by JediFed
They both have 0 slams, but he has beaten Federer.

he was lucky in that match
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Well guess what, you can call other guys idiots but based on your post I think you are a moron :wavey:(lucky one :devil:

Dzordzzz!
01-26-2008, 08:58 PM
He playing in his second GS final,he beat Federer twice,he is No.3 at age 20...yes,that Tsonga boy is clearly more talented.

Kamizu
01-26-2008, 09:08 PM
Tsonga play on such high level, as he already won one-two GS :D.
Sure he have tons of practice before this AO. My choice Jo, hes passion and concentration its what champion need for final.

Pixie
01-26-2008, 10:02 PM
Hitting harder doesn´t mean having a better fh. Tsonga can hit bigger but Nole can hit it very strongly as well plus he can create better angles, it´s a much more "controlled" shot as a weapon and it´s overall much more consistent to me, therefore I rate his fh higher than JW´s one

Agree on that. But actually, making comparison only about strokes is quite meaningless. Before mid-2007 Tsonga was irregular. Apart from injuries and lack of rythm one reason was his footwork as a weakness. I've seen lots of matches where he made tons of UEs on that side because of that : not the good powerful shot at the right moment etc. Nowadays with better shape and being on the roll it looks quite impressive. But one have to watch it on a 12 months term to be better judges. Not to mention how he uses his power on clay. I remember the match vs Roddick at RG in 05 and he'll need better tactic this year or else it certainly won't look like a massive stroke.

platinum
01-26-2008, 10:39 PM
Ego Prince

anousleshommes@h
01-26-2008, 10:42 PM
Please People, Try To Keep In Mind That Tsonga Has Only Come Back On The Tour After 2 Years Out Due To Injury, So Put That In Perspective, Thank You!

star
01-26-2008, 10:45 PM
Please People, Try To Keep In Mind That Tsonga Has Only Come Back On The Tour After 2 Years Out Due To Injury, So Put That In Perspective, Thank You!

Wait a second. Wasn't Tsonga playing all last year in challengers etc.?

anousleshommes@h
01-26-2008, 10:45 PM
Agree on that. But actually, making comparison only about strokes is quite meaningless. Before mid-2007 Tsonga was irregular. Apart from injuries and lack of rythm one reason was his footwork as a weakness. I've seen lots of matches where he made tons of UEs on that side because of that : not the good powerful shot at the right moment etc. Nowadays with better shape and being on the roll it looks quite impressive. But one have to watch it on a 12 months term to be better judges. Not to mention how he uses his power on clay. I remember the match vs Roddick at RG in 05 and he'll need better tactic this year or else it certainly won't look like a massive stroke.

Indeed he's come a LONG WAY from wimby or us last year, where his forehand was a HUGE liability. Now he hits it with confidence, and oh my, WHAT AN AMAZING weapon. He's also varied his game and doesnt play as much as the net as he did last year, he's quite impressive behind the baseline now, plus his backhand doesnt get stuck in the net anymore. Let's hope he can keep it up

Kamizu
01-26-2008, 10:46 PM
As long as he show awesome tennis i dont care from what hell he only come back :D

anousleshommes@h
01-26-2008, 10:48 PM
Wait a second. Wasn't Tsonga playing all last year in challengers etc.?

From 2004-2006 he was out

anousleshommes@h
01-26-2008, 10:49 PM
Wait a second. Wasn't Tsonga playing all last year in challengers etc.?

Challengers and future arent really considered part of the professional tour since they r 2tiers or so event

star
01-26-2008, 10:56 PM
In 2007, Tsonga played:
Noumea
Australian Open
Besancon
Cherbourg
Sarajevo
France F5
Tallahassee
Mexico City 2
Cardiff
Lanzarote
Surbiton
Queen's Club
Wimbledon -- out in rd. 0f 16
New Haven
USO
Beijing
Metz
Moscow
Lyon
Paris Masters

In 2006 he may have had an injury because he didn't play between the end of april until mid September.
Bergamo
Besancon
France F4
Great Britian F5
Great Britain F6
Lanzarote
France F14
Rennes

anousleshommes@h
01-26-2008, 11:00 PM
In 2007, Tsonga played:
Noumea
Australian Open
Besancon
Cherbourg
Sarajevo
France F5
Tallahassee
Mexico City 2
Cardiff
Lanzarote
Surbiton
Queen's Club
Wimbledon -- out in rd. 0f 16
New Haven
USO
Beijing
Metz
Moscow
Lyon
Paris Masters

In 2006 he may have had an injury because he didn't play between the end of april until mid September.
Bergamo
Besancon
France F4
Great Britian F5
Great Britain F6
Lanzarote
France F14
Rennes

Like I said 2004-06 he was out and very out of shape

star
01-26-2008, 11:00 PM
From 2004-2006 he was out

He played 8 tournaments in 2005.

In 2004, he played 21 tournaments.

Those are just the ones listed on the atp site

star
01-26-2008, 11:02 PM
Like I said 2004-06 he was out and very out of shape

Do you mean he played little in 2005 and 2006? Because he played a lot in 2004.

anousleshommes@h
01-26-2008, 11:06 PM
He was injured I know that much, listen he's only jst come back on the ATP Professional tour so give him credit, he went from 200+ in the world to 38th in the span of wot, 6 months it was. That takes sum doing

star
01-26-2008, 11:16 PM
I had to switch to the ITF site because I knew there were some qualies missed.

With the quallies, it is 13 tournaments in 2006 and 11 in 2005. I knew I saw him in 2005, but it wasn't on the ATP site..

star
01-26-2008, 11:19 PM
He was injured I know that much, listen he's only jst come back on the ATP Professional tour so give him credit, he went from 200+ in the world to 38th in the span of wot, 6 months it was. That takes sum doing

He ended 2006 at 212 and ended 2007 at 43.

I'm not denigrating the guy. I think he's a great talent. I just like to have the facts straight. You confused me because I thought he had been playing a lot last year.

horseman
01-27-2008, 04:19 AM
I would say Djok. There is not an element of the game he is not good at, even if he is not the best at any of them. There is a small number of players who can play good at any area of the court-base line, net...

kobulingam
01-27-2008, 04:21 AM
If Tsonga loses about 20 lbs (of muscle) he would dominate the ATP tour.

Deivid23
01-27-2008, 11:24 AM
Good to see MTF right in the money as usual :lol:

TheBoiledEgg
01-27-2008, 11:29 AM
all Djoker does is be an upgraded version of Hewitt :zzz:

ReturnWinner
01-27-2008, 11:30 AM
all Djoker does is be an upgraded version of Hewitt :zzz:

he has more firepower than Hewitt

~Jin~
01-28-2008, 07:03 AM
Tsonga..

vincayou
01-28-2008, 07:45 AM
Good to see MTF right in the money as usual :lol:

Despite the fact I might agree, I doubt a single match is enough to prove something (and the match was close).
But you say that just to piss off people. :lol: Bad deivid.

Exodus
01-28-2008, 08:27 AM
tsonga is more talented than the joker fakervic

Ivanatis
01-28-2008, 09:05 AM
well Djokovic's ranking is a lot better, he's two years younger and he's been the best of all players in the last two weeks

I like Tsonga more, but (as much as I hate to admit) Nole is probably the more talented player from what we know right know (despite Tsonga's injury problems)

Halba
01-28-2008, 09:25 AM
djoker is more talented -look at his amazing dexterity, hands, movement and flexibility and reflexes(reflex volleys at key points?)

Dzordzzz!
01-28-2008, 10:41 AM
tsonga is more talented than the joker fakervic

You base your opinion on what?Joker is younger,better ranked and he allready proved that he is not one-tournament miracle.|And he beat "more talented" Tsonga...

Exodus
01-28-2008, 10:54 AM
You base your opinion on what?Joker is younger,better ranked and he allready proved that he is not one-tournament miracle.|And he beat "more talented" Tsonga...

he probably gonna be one slam wonder. So what he beat Tsonga that doesn't mean he is more talented. He beat fed too so what are you thinking that joker is more talented than fed :confused:

Dzordzzz!
01-28-2008, 11:03 AM
he probably gonna be one slam wonder. So what he beat Tsonga that doesn't mean he is more talented. He beat fed too so what are you thinking that joker is more talented than fed :confused:


No I dont think that he is more talented than Fed becouse-FED:12 GS titles

But you cant compare Joker and Tsonga,Joker is 2 years younger with WAY better results.Now why do you think that Tsonga is more talented,what did he done to deserve that?Played some big points?Joker did that too,won some atractive matches?again Joker did the same?beat some great names?Joker again did it same and did with style...

Exodus
01-28-2008, 11:15 AM
No I dont think that he is more talented than Fed becouse-FED:12 GS titles

But you cant compare Joker and Tsonga,Joker is 2 years younger with WAY better results.Now why do you think that Tsonga is more talented,what did he done to deserve that?Played some big points?Joker did that too,won some atractive matches?again Joker did the same?beat some great names?Joker again did it same and did with style...

talent is not the same as results there are plenty of players out there that I consider vastly more talented than joker that are lowly ranked then he is. Safin is one of them...

Andre'sNo1Fan
01-28-2008, 11:24 AM
talent is not the same as results there are plenty of players out there that I consider vastly more talented than joker that are lowly ranked then he is. Safin is one of them...
Define talent....

dmit424
01-28-2008, 01:12 PM
I am not sure. I think Tsonga might have more "shot-making" potential, but then again, most "shot-making" happens on defense and Djokovic is usually attacking, going about his business. Also think that Djokovic can be the best overall athlete in the game, with strength, speed, flexibility, balance, and reach. His nagging breathing problem are what's keeping him from it, but he's really an amazing and fit athlete. He's what Davydenko would be if he wasn't a midget.