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roddick for wimbledon

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 01:47 PM
the great american hope roddick will win wimbledon in 2004, heard it here first!

who can stop him?

Hewitt? LOL
Henman? LOL
maybe fish? LOL

federer will be tough but if roddick plays his best the swiss mans talent will be blown away. you dont return 153 mph serves even if your houdini

after a 3 year break americans will be back in charge on the lawns of wimbledon

LCeh
06-14-2004, 01:50 PM
Why is Henman "LOL"? Henman is THE threat this year. I certainly hope he is in Andy's half and not Roger's. ;)

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 01:55 PM
henman should stay at home and drink his tea if he meets roddick
the pom has no answers to top players at slams

star
06-14-2004, 01:59 PM
Why is Henman "LOL"? Henman is THE threat this year. I certainly hope he is in Andy's half and not Roger's. ;)

Don't kid a kidder. :D

Roger is far and away the favorite for Wimbledon. There's no one on the horizon who looks to challenge him for the title. Henman is Roger's red herring. He's no more afraid of him than he is of Karol Beck. :)

CmonAussie
06-14-2004, 01:59 PM
* Roddick & Federer are clearly the 2-main favourites!!

@@ Others contenders/darkhorses: Hewitt, Safin, Nalbandian, Henman, Agassi, Grosjean, Moya, Philippoussis, Schalken, Nadal, J Johannson, Andreev, Melzer, Malisse, Lopez, Escude...

Of course there are other big names like Ferrero & Coria BUT don't think they could win>_<.

Billabong
06-14-2004, 01:59 PM
the great american hope roddick will win wimbledon in 2004, heard it here first!

who can stop him?

Hewitt? LOL
Henman? LOL
maybe fish? LOL

federer will be tough but if roddick plays his best the swiss mans talent will be blown away. you dont return 153 mph serves even if your houdini

after a 3 year break americans will be back in charge on the lawns of wimbledon

sorry but I don't share your prediction :o!

LCeh
06-14-2004, 02:01 PM
Don't kid a kidder. :D

Roger is far and away the favorite for Wimbledon. There's no one on the horizon who looks to challenge him for the title. Henman is Roger's red herring. He's no more afraid of him than he is of Karol Beck. :)

Karol Beck beat Tim! That's why Roger is more afraid of Beck than Tim. :devil: :lol:

jtipson
06-14-2004, 02:03 PM
Trolls shouldn't be fed, but it's so tempting...
you do realise of course that most of Roddick's fast serves (150+mph) have been returned? It's not usually speed that beats the opposition, it's more down to placement, spin and whether your action is readable. And unfortunately for Roddick, Federer can usually anticipate his serves very well.

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:03 PM
Roger is far and away the favorite for Wimbledon. There's no one on the horizon who looks to challenge him for the title.

roger was the favorite on the sand LOL look at how that ended. in straight sets

power beats the crap out of talent
roger was luckly andy played flat last year

LCeh
06-14-2004, 02:05 PM
roger was the favorite on the sand LOL look at how that ended. in straight sets

power beats the crap out of talent
roger was luckly andy played flat last year

:worship: :haha:

star
06-14-2004, 02:06 PM
Karol Beck beat Tim! That's why Roger is more afraid of Beck than Tim. :devil: :lol:

:p

Yeah, and Federer isn't at all afraid of Beck, so even less afraid of Henman. :)

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-14-2004, 02:06 PM
the sand! ah haaaa

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:06 PM
you do realise of course that most of Roddick's fast serves (150+mph) have been returned? It's not usually speed that beats the opposition, it's more down to placement, spin and whether your action is readable. And unfortunately for Roddick, Federer can usually anticipate his serves very well.

what a einstein
i didnt see any 153 mph serves being returned
funny how i didnt see many 140 mph serves returned in queens. federer looked brilliant because he played nobodies in hale.
roddick has never served at his best against roger but he will be ready this year

Chrisie
06-14-2004, 02:08 PM
There are not many people who can stop Andy on grass this year. However, saddly, I don't see him come up with ideas to beat Federer. Even Henman can be a threat, but I think he will be more likely to put up a fight and lose in five sets, like his soccer country men. Safin and Nalbandian can also cause trouble for him.
I hope the final will be Federer vs. Roddick, and Federer happens to have a bad day.

Ballbuster
06-14-2004, 02:08 PM
hitchhiker, don't pull this crap like lina. The only that can stop federer is henman, anyone in who knows anything about tennis would know that

Billabong
06-14-2004, 02:09 PM
roger was the favorite on the sand LOL look at how that ended. in straight sets

power beats the crap out of talent
roger was luckly andy played flat last year

:rolleyes: no comment :haha:!

jtipson
06-14-2004, 02:10 PM
what a einstein
i didnt see any 153 mph serves being returned
funny how i didnt see many 140 mph serves returned in queens. federer looked brilliant because he played nobodies in hale.
roddick has never served at his best against roger but he will be ready this year

Sorry, I forgot how senseless it is to try to give logical answers to complete idiots, especially uneducated ones.

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 02:10 PM
I also expect roddick to hit every serve at 153 MPH.

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:14 PM
i cant believe you all

pommy henman? the guy isnt some amature, he has been at wimbledon for years and hasnt wont crap, why would it change?
the english suck at sport

can someone answer me this. if roddick was so wonderful against federer then why did he only serve 4 aces? 4 aces in a match. that suggests to me a flat roddick because even houdini cant keep roddick to 4 aces when he serves well.

LCeh
06-14-2004, 02:16 PM
Maybe because Roger was getting back all his usual aces? I don't know, does that sound too ridiculous to you? What about Mark? He was serving over 25 aces per match and he only got like 16 against Roger. Why? Was Mark flat too?

That must be it. Whenever people can't get aces against Roger, they are flat. :rolleyes:

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 02:16 PM
i cant believe you all

pommy henman? the guy isnt some amature, he has been at wimbledon for years and hasnt wont crap, why would it change?
the english suck at sport

can someone answer me this. if roddick was so wonderful against federer then why did he only serve 4 aces? 4 aces in a match. that suggests to me a flat roddick because even houdini cant keep roddick to 4 aces when he serves well.

Well, Houdini has always struggled with Andy, we admit that.

lsy
06-14-2004, 02:16 PM
Hey...this hitchhiker actually makes me appreciate heya :haha:

At least with heya, it kept you entertained trying to guess his/her points, whereas this is just hmmm...plain... :bs: :lol:

boring...

star
06-14-2004, 02:16 PM
Hey. I'm one of Andy's fans, Hitchhiker, but Andy doesn't serve so many aces against Federer because Federer returns them or at least gets a racket on them.

I think Federer reads Andy's serve pretty well.

*Ljubica*
06-14-2004, 02:17 PM
roger was the favorite on the sand LOL look at how that ended. in straight sets

power beats the crap out of talent
roger was luckly andy played flat last year

That is the first time I have ever heard Roger described as a favourite on clay!

Chrisie
06-14-2004, 02:17 PM
Mmmm, I don't know, I don't think serve is the answer to Federer. It may be useful against Hewitt, but you really have to keep a high percentage, which is not easy. Better improve all rounds than rely too much on serve.

star
06-14-2004, 02:19 PM
Federer WAS one of the favorites going into Roland Garros. He had just won at Hamburg.

Anyway, Federer IS the clear favorite at Wimbledon all of Roger's talk about Henman notwithstanding.

It's Federer's tournament to win or lose. Everyone else is just showing up on a chance.

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:20 PM
Maybe because Roger was getting back all his usual aces? I don't know, does that sound too ridiculous to you? What about Mark? He was serving over 25 aces per match and he only got like 16 against Roger. Why? Was Mark flat too?


roddick is the best server
if mark can get 16 aces then roddick should manage more then FOUR when he isnt playing badly

i come here to talk tennis and find people far up rogers ass. i gurantee you will all fall out when andy lifts up the trophy

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 02:20 PM
That is the first time I have ever heard Roger described as a favourite on clay!

Really .... two TMS titles?

LCeh
06-14-2004, 02:21 PM
I don't know Star, to be honest, Halle didn't really have great players like Tim and Hewitt, while Andy beat some great players. So I don't think we can base our prediction on his easy wins against them.

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 02:22 PM
Federer WAS one of the favorites going into Roland Garros. He had just won at Hamburg.

Anyway, Federer IS the clear favorite at Wimbledon all of Roger's talk about Henman notwithstanding.

It's Federer's tournament to win or lose. Everyone else is just showing up on a chance.

I don't agree with that, Star. He had a great run last year, and he's started off with a solid performance in Halle this week. But he's not infallible, and before we anoint him the next Sampras, I think we should wait to see if he can go back to back.

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:23 PM
Hey. I'm one of Andy's fans, Hitchhiker, but Andy doesn't serve so many aces against Federer because Federer returns them or at least gets a racket on them.

I think Federer reads Andy's serve pretty well.

i agree but andy served 4 aces, how often is andy kept to 1 ace per set even when he loses badly on the dirt?
to me that is more roddicks poor serving then terrific returning.

LCeh
06-14-2004, 02:24 PM
roddick is the best server
if mark can get 16 aces then roddick should manage more then FOUR when he isnt playing badly.

And did it ever occur to you why Andy always play bad against Roger? Maybe because Roger has the ability to throw his game off, make him go for more on his first serve, hence lower percentage and fewer aces? Maybe because Andy has too much respect for Roger just like Mardy, and they can't really play their best against them?

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 02:24 PM
i agree but andy served 4 aces, how often is andy kept to 1 ace per set even when he loses badly on the dirt?
to me that is more roddicks poor serving then terrific returning.

What was Andy's first serve percentage?

star
06-14-2004, 02:24 PM
I love to hear the Federer fans down playing Federer as the clear favorite to win Wimbledon. :lol:

Of course, Federer is fallible. Of course, he can lose.

That doesn't invalidate my statement that the tournament is on his racket.

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:25 PM
That is the first time I have ever heard Roger described as a favourite on clay!

you must have been under a rock. he was most peoples pick to win.

lsy
06-14-2004, 02:26 PM
Somewhat I feel like some non-rogi fans in MTF are more keen on throwing all "limelights" to Rogi than his fans will.

Is this some kind of strategies play in MTF? Like what Rogi was accused of doing? :haha:

Billabong
06-14-2004, 02:26 PM
roddick is the best server
if mark can get 16 aces then roddick should manage more then FOUR when he isnt playing badly

i come here to talk tennis and find people far up rogers ass. i gurantee you will all fall out when andy lifts up the trophy
you won't make a lot of friends here by being arrogant like that:(!

lsy
06-14-2004, 02:27 PM
I love to hear the Federer fans down playing Federer as the clear favorite to win Wimbledon. :lol:



Just as much as I love hearing how his non fans are pushing him right up there like he's the...ahemmm....we know what.

Fedex
06-14-2004, 02:28 PM
Are you perhaps RealityRyan in disguise, hitchhiker?? ;) :lol:

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 02:29 PM
I love to hear the Federer fans down playing Federer as the clear favorite to win Wimbledon. :lol:

Of course, Federer is fallible. Of course, he can lose.

That doesn't invalidate my statement that the tournament is on his racket.

I'm not a Federer fan.

I don't reasonably think you can make that statement. Men's tennis is so unpredictable .... oh, guga will dominate ... no, marat ... no, lleyton ... etc etc. Repeating is HARD in the men's game. Besides, there are so few grass court events that it's hard to get a feel for how dominant Roger actually is on it. It's not like Guga on clay in 2000/2001 where we could all see that he was at the head of the class. There has to be uncertainty about whether Roger can see off a few players I could name. So like I said, let's wait and see how he does this year. If he wins it again, then I'll be impressed and we can write him up as the next Pete.

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:30 PM
And did it ever occur to you why Andy always play bad against Roger? Maybe because Roger has the ability to throw his game off, make him go for more on his first serve, hence lower percentage and fewer aces? Maybe because Andy has too much respect for Roger just like Mardy, and they can't really play their best against them?

but he will at wimbledon, now that andy is a slam winner he wont be scared and his best will overpower federers talents

Fedex
06-14-2004, 02:33 PM
but he will at wimbledon, now that andy is a slam winner he wont be scared and his best will overpower federers talents
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
Keep the BS coming :) :tape:

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:35 PM
one last fact

federer played like a magician last year against roddick while roddick was flat as a pancake. yet roddick was a forehand away from winning the first set.
that one set could have made the difference

all you federer fans know that and i dont believe you if you say that doesnt scare you for this year

jtipson
06-14-2004, 02:36 PM
Are you perhaps RealityRyan in disguise, hitchhiker?? ;) :lol:

Not much of a disguise, apart from the bad grammar :D

Billabong
06-14-2004, 02:38 PM
one last fact

federer played like a magician last year against roddick while roddick was flat as a pancake. yet roddick was a forehand away from winning the first set.
that one set could have made the difference

all you federer fans know that and i dont believe you if you say that doesnt scare you for this year

and what if I tell you Roger played like total crap in Montreal when Andy beat him:o?? Rogi really GAVE this match to Andy, heh;)?? Roger was totally "flat as a pancake" that day, no;)?? :rolleyes: grow up :rolleyes:!

jtipson
06-14-2004, 02:38 PM
one last fact

federer played like a magician last year against roddick while roddick was flat as a pancake. yet roddick was a forehand away from winning the first set.
that one set could have made the difference

all you federer fans know that and i dont believe you if you say that doesnt scare you for this year

Andy was one point away from a straight sets defeat at the US Open. Don't have nightmares when we get there, dear.

Chrisie
06-14-2004, 02:39 PM
It's all Coria's fault. Now I predict Roger Federer to win Wimbledon. :devil:

star
06-14-2004, 02:39 PM
I'm not a Federer fan.

I don't reasonably think you can make that statement. Men's tennis is so unpredictable .... oh, guga will dominate ... no, marat ... no, lleyton ... etc etc. Repeating is HARD in the men's game. Besides, there are so few grass court events that it's hard to get a feel for how dominant Roger actually is on it. It's not like Guga on clay in 2000/2001 where we could all see that he was at the head of the class. There has to be uncertainty about whether Roger can see off a few players I could name. So like I said, let's wait and see how he does this year. If he wins it again, then I'll be impressed and we can write him up as the next Pete.

I'm not touting Federer as the next Pete Sampras. I like Federer better than that. :)

I agree that men's tennis is unpredictable, but Federer IS the favorite. That doesn't mean he won't lose or can't lose. But when you look at the line up for Wimbledon, who else would you pick to win if a gun were held to your head?

You'd be an "idiot" (as you called someone on this board recently) to pick anyone else as the favorite. If your baby's life was at stake on your picking the winner of Wimbledon, wouldn't you pick Roger?

LCeh
06-14-2004, 02:39 PM
Andy was one point away from a straight sets defeat at the US Open. Don't have nightmares when we get there, dear.

:haha:

I like Andy, but this is what happens when one of their fans acts... you know. :)

star
06-14-2004, 02:42 PM
and what if I tell you Roger played like total crap in Montreal when Andy beat him:o?? Rogi really GAVE this match to Andy, heh;)?? Roger was totally "flat as a pancake" that day, no;)?? :rolleyes: grow up :rolleyes:!

Isn't that the same argument that Hitchhiker was making about Andy's loss to Roger at Wimbledon????? :D

I don't see why either of these victories should be denigrated.

All in all, Roger has the advantage over Andy.

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 02:43 PM
Isn't that the same argument that Hitchhiker was making about Andy's loss to Roger at Wimbledon????? :D

That would be exactly his point.

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:43 PM
Andy was one point away from a straight sets defeat at the US Open.

roddick played like crap against a nablablooblinddoian (who couldnt play better) for 3 sets and came close to losing
federer played his best against a flat roddick and nearly blew the match

totally different scenarios

Billabong
06-14-2004, 02:44 PM
Isn't that the same argument that Hitchhiker was making about Andy's loss to Roger at Wimbledon????? :D

I don't see why either of these victories should be denigrated.

All in all, Roger has the advantage over Andy.

That's exactly my point:D! Both players deserved their victories, but we can't forget the H2H is still 5-1 to Federer, and I think hitchiker forgot it;)!

lsy
06-14-2004, 02:45 PM
federer played like a magician last year against roddick while roddick was flat as a pancake. yet roddick was a forehand away from winning the first set.
that one set could have made the difference


hmm...you might want to take out the tape and also watch that 2 easy errors Roger missed to give Roddick the chance for being a forehand away from winning the first set. Is this sentence too long for you to understand?

Fedex
06-14-2004, 02:45 PM
roddick played like crap against a nablablooblinddoian (who couldnt play better) for 3 sets and came close to losing
federer played his best against a flat roddick and nearly blew the match

totally different scenarios
:haha: :haha: :haha:

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:46 PM
Isn't that the same argument that Hitchhiker was making about Andy's loss to Roger at Wimbledon????? :D

I don't see why either of these victories should be denigrated.

All in all, Roger has the advantage over Andy.

im trying to say that roddick has a very good oportunity to win wimbledon even if he meets federer

Bilbo
06-14-2004, 02:48 PM
Federer is the most dominating athlet in the world next to Michael Schumacher. I don't see anybody beating Federer at Wimbledon this year. Andy will lose in straight sets at last year.

star
06-14-2004, 02:48 PM
im trying to say that roddick has a very good oportunity to win wimbledon even if he meets federer

:lol:

That was a lot of excess verbage then!!

Stated that way, your opinion sounds more reasonable. But when put as it originally sounded... which was, Federer doesn't have a chance against Roddick... it seemed a bit ludicrous.

jtipson
06-14-2004, 02:49 PM
roddick played like crap against a nablablooblinddoian (who couldnt play better) for 3 sets and came close to losing
federer played his best against a flat roddick and nearly blew the match

totally different scenarios

Roger nearly blew the match? Uh, he won in straights. The only time he blew a match against Roddick was as somebody already told you, in Montreal, because he got too nervous about getting to number one.

And by the way, Nalbandian was injured in his US Open match, and it still took Roddick 5 sets to beat him. Somehow I don't think the result will be the same another time.

Billabong
06-14-2004, 02:49 PM
im trying to say that roddick has a very good oportunity to win wimbledon even if he meets federer

your point is understandable, but what is stupid is when you discredit Roger's victory against Andy last year in Wimbledon:(! I see this match as a domination by Roger, and nothing else! and everybody here agree with that!

tangerine_dream
06-14-2004, 02:51 PM
Welcome hitchhiker, thanks for the troll post :bigwave:

You're about to get ripped to shreds. :lol:

jtipson
06-14-2004, 02:56 PM
Well, at least it's some light entertainment whilst we're waiting for the Wimbledon seeding committee to get their act together and tell us exactly what they've decided...

star
06-14-2004, 02:57 PM
The Wimbledon committee will decide that Roger is the favorite to win Wimbledon. :)

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 02:58 PM
I'm not touting Federer as the next Pete Sampras. I like Federer better than that. :)

I agree that men's tennis is unpredictable, but Federer IS the favorite. That doesn't mean he won't lose or can't lose. But when you look at the line up for Wimbledon, who else would you pick to win if a gun were held to your head?

You'd be an "idiot" (as you called someone on this board recently) to pick anyone else as the favorite. If your baby's life was at stake on your picking the winner of Wimbledon, wouldn't you pick Roger?

Probably. I never said he wasn't the favorite. The comment I took exception to was "the tournament is on his racquet". Then you mentioned something about everybody else showing up on the off chance he might not be in full force. That is what I disagreed with, that is what I still disagree with, and you didn't say anything there to address that.

lsy
06-14-2004, 02:58 PM
Well, at least it's some light entertainment whilst we're waiting for the Wimbledon seeding committee to get their act together and tell us exactly what they've decided...

I completely agree :haha:

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 02:59 PM
i have never heard so much crap in my life
roddick has won 6 slams over the past year and his treated like a joke and not given a chance by anyone here

i wonder what will be more funny when he wins

1) watching everyone be stunned
or
2) watching everyone act like they always knew he would do it

star
06-14-2004, 03:00 PM
:confused:

Andy has won ONE slam.

You must have misspoken.

star
06-14-2004, 03:01 PM
Or mistypened.... or something.

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 03:01 PM
i meant 6 tournament wins

star
06-14-2004, 03:03 PM
Probably. I never said he wasn't the favorite. The comment I took exception to was "the tournament is on his racquet". Then you mentioned something about everybody else showing up on the off chance he might not be in full force. That is what I disagreed with, that is what I still disagree with, and you didn't say anything there to address that.

The tournament is on his racket. I think that is not so hard to understand. He is the one with the clear chance to win it, has the skills to win it, and is the most probable winner. I have yet to hear the name of a player who can beat Federer on grass unless Federer has an off day. If Federer has an off day, someone can beat him. That means it is all up to him and how he plays.

I think that is the comon understanding of the the sentence "the match is on his racket."

LCeh
06-14-2004, 03:04 PM
Look, nobody is saying Andy can't win Wimbledon, or that he can't beat Federer. I never said that, nobody ever said that. But "Andy WILL beat Roger" is simply wrong.

star
06-14-2004, 03:05 PM
Yeah LCeh. I think that once the hyperbole is blown away, that is essentially what HH is saying.

Took a lot of wind to blow away the hyperbole though. :)

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 03:06 PM
The tournament is on his racket. I think that is not so hard to understand. He is the one with the clear chance to win it, has the skills to win it, and is the most probable winner. I have yet to hear the name of a player who can beat Federer on grass unless Federer has an off day. If Federer has an off day, someone can beat him. That means it is all up to him and how he plays.

I think that is the comon understanding of the the sentence "the match is on his racket."

Thank you for re-iterating your thesis. I shall not do the same. I shall direct you post #40 where I refuted that the first time. Perhaps you would like to address it this time?

lsy
06-14-2004, 03:09 PM
The tournament is on his racket. I think that is not so hard to understand. He is the one with the clear chance to win it, has the skills to win it, and is the most probable winner. I have yet to hear the name of a player who can beat Federer on grass unless Federer has an off day. If Federer has an off day, someone can beat him. That means it is all up to him and how he plays.

I think that is the comon understanding of the the sentence "the match is on his racket."

Star, can I invite you to the "arrogant Rogi's fan club" the next time this critisism came about? I know you're not a rogi fan, but I think we can extend a special invitation ;)

Deboogle!.
06-14-2004, 03:10 PM
Trolls shouldn't be fed, but it's so tempting...


So right, jtipson, so right..... but yet.... this thread is now 3 pages long and oh so funny. Thanks for the wake-up laughs guys :kiss:

star
06-14-2004, 03:10 PM
Thank you for re-iterating your thesis. I shall not do the same. I shall direct you post #40 where I refuted that the first time. Perhaps you would like to address it this time?

Sorry, mate. I've done it already. Can't be bothered again.

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 03:11 PM
Sorry, mate. I've done it already. Can't be bothered again.

No, "mate", you haven't. You ignored the relevant bits and asked me whether or not I thought Roger was the favorite which was well beside the point.

star
06-14-2004, 03:12 PM
Star, can I invite you to the "arrogant Rogi's fan club" the next time this critisism came about? I know you're not a rogi fan, but I think we can extend a special invitation ;)

Sorry, Jtipson doesn't like Roger to be called "God." So, I can't join the crowd. :)

Chrisie
06-14-2004, 03:13 PM
Let's all cheer for Olivier Muttis!!!! New King of Wimbledon.

Deboogle!.
06-14-2004, 03:16 PM
Let's all cheer for Olivier Muttis!!!! New King of Wimbledon.

:lol: what I would not give for him to make it through Qualies and draw Andy in the first round :devil:

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 03:16 PM
Yeah LCeh. I think that once the hyperbole is blown away, that is essentially what HH is saying.

Took a lot of wind to blow away the hyperbole though. :)


the hyperbole was to oppose the hyperboles about federer

people are acting as if roger has been king of tennis for 5 years. the guy has been hot for 6 months, it can end anytime.

roddick was just as hot last year and can take over from federer again anytime.

we still cant judge which one of them is better

CarnivalCarnage
06-14-2004, 03:17 PM
Star, can I invite you to the "arrogant Rogi's fan club" the next time this critisism came about? I know you're not a rogi fan, but I think we can extend a special invitation ;)

I don't think you want Star on your debate team, I really don't.

jtipson
06-14-2004, 03:19 PM
the hyperbole was to oppose the hyperboles about federer

people are acting as if roger has been king of tennis for 5 years. the guy has been hot for 6 months, it can end anytime.

roddick was just as hot last year and can take over from federer again anytime.

we still cant judge which one of them is better

Maybe *you* can't....even if Roddick were to beat Federer in the Wimbledon final (and that is perfectly possible), I'd still say Federer is better.

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-14-2004, 03:20 PM
how the fcuk did this thread skyrocket within 30 mins... oh, "The Duck" has that effect on people

LCeh
06-14-2004, 03:20 PM
we still cant judge which one of them is better

Hate to say this, but really?

power beats the crap out of talent
roger was luckly andy played flat last year

Ballbuster
06-14-2004, 03:21 PM
Boy, this thread's growing quickly.

Ok, hitchhiker, since you're so sure andy will wins, you have to drink you're age in shots if he doesn't win the tournament. :retard:

Deboogle!.
06-14-2004, 03:21 PM
Here's a topical article from the Melbourne Herald Sun
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Federer, Roddick show Wimbledon form
Bruce Wilson
London
15jun04

THE North Sea may have separated Roger Federer and Andy Roddick at the weekend, but their ambitions were identical and their tracks parallel -- Wimbledon beckoned both.

Each will arrive on a high for the tournament, which starts on Monday. Federer won the grasscourt tournament in Halle, Germany, just as he did last year; Roddick won the Queen's Club grasscourt event in London, just as he did last year.
It is difficult to separate who will draw most encouragement.

Roddick, just as last year, beat the talented Frenchman Sebastien Grosjean in straight sets, this year's score was 7-6 (9-7) 6-4.

Federer had a lesser opponent, the American Mardy Fish, whom he thrashed 6-0 6-3. On the whole, in a lower-key tournament, Federer gets the edge. Not only did he not drop a set in Halle, his service was broken just twice in five matches.

That is some stat, considering it was Roddick in London setting high-speed service records, clocking 246km/h. Federer will go to Wimbledon seeded one and Roddick two, and they clearly are the men to beat.

Federer has won 17 straight matches on grass, and while that is a long way short of Bjorn Borg's record of 41, it is still pretty impressive.

Roddick was a beaten semi-finalist at Wimbledon last year, losing to Federer, but there's no doubt in the minds of any man who played him at Queen's that, still just 21, he is bigger, stronger and cannier this year.

Federer, 22, so dominated in Germany that nobody else came out of that tournament with his chances enhanced. Fish frankly admitted that his main ambition in the final was not to lose 6-0 6-0. Yet Fish will probably be seeded quite high at Wimbledon. A handful of players left Queen's feeling chirpy, or chirpier, about their chances. Lleyton Hewitt was one, saying his game gets better each day and believing he is playing as well as he was when he won two years ago.

Billabong
06-14-2004, 03:22 PM
the hyperbole was to oppose the hyperboles about federer

people are acting as if roger has been king of tennis for 5 years. the guy has been hot for 6 months, it can end anytime.

roddick was just as hot last year and can take over from federer again anytime.

we still cant judge which one of them is better

the problem is, you act as if Andy has already won Wimbledon this year :eek:! You don't make predictions, you speak like a medium who knows everything in the future! are you trying to convince us that Andy has done more and is more impressive so far than Roger?? plus, you still don't want to admitt Roger dominated Andy in Wimby last year :lol:!

I think we can't predict who will win Wimbledon, but we can be sure Federer and Roddick are the 2 faves!

lsy
06-14-2004, 03:24 PM
how the fcuk did this thread skyrocket within 30 mins... oh, "The Duck" has that effect on people

Don't give credits to Andy in this case, it's his deluded and arrogant fan. But it's more for entertainment than anything really :)

As jtipson said, we're all here being bored waiting for the seeding to be out.

Chrisie
06-14-2004, 03:25 PM
:lol: what I would not give for him to make it through Qualies and draw Andy in the first round :devil:
Come on, everyone, join me. Thanks to this lovely Frenchman Andy had 10 more days to prepare for the grass season. Secret of success. Three cheers for Oliver.
He may also hold the weapon to end this weird, repeated, potentially abusive discussion, if he beats them all. :devil:

jtipson
06-14-2004, 03:27 PM
In that case, three cheers for Guga too ;)

Deboogle!.
06-14-2004, 03:28 PM
Don't give credits to Andy in this case, it's his deluded and arrogant fan. But it's more for entertainment than anything really :)

As jtipson said, we're all here being bored waiting for the seeding to be out.

Yeah! :) so let's let him/her keep going to provide us all a little fun to cut through the Monday doldrums :lol:

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 03:31 PM
bongbrain watch roddick in uso final, that form can match federer at wimbledon and i think beat him

i will be throwing pie in everryones face if roddick wins

LCeh
06-14-2004, 03:33 PM
Nobody even said Roger WILL win, we said Roger is the favorite to win. But whatever, I will be right here for the pie throwing...

Ballbuster
06-14-2004, 03:33 PM
bongbrain watch roddick in uso final, that form can match federer at wimbledon and i think beat him

i will be throwing pie in everryones face if roddick wins


but when he doesn't you have to drink your age in shots, OK!!!!!

Chrisie
06-14-2004, 03:35 PM
I know, thanks to these people, Andy and Roger now have a better chance to win Wimbledon than Coria or Gaudio!!!!!!!!!

yanchr
06-14-2004, 03:35 PM
:haha: at every post of someone called hitchhiker...you are really good, thanks for all the entertaining :haha: and much much :worship: to all Rogi fans here playing patiently with that guy by saying all the profound things which are clearly beyond that little child...

Yeah, we are just bored waiting for the seeding...

yanchr
06-14-2004, 03:38 PM
i will be throwing pie in everryones face if roddick wins
:haha: then you have to bear the pies from everyone if Rogi wins. What is your face made of:lol:

Billabong
06-14-2004, 03:40 PM
:haha: then you have to bear the pies from everyone if Rogi wins. What is your face made of:lol:

:haha:!!!

Chrisie
06-14-2004, 03:40 PM
:haha: at every post of someone called hitchhiker...you are really good, thanks for all the entertaining :haha: and much much :worship: to all Rogi fans here playing patiently with that guy by saying all the profound things which are clearly beyond that little child...

Yeah, we are just bored waiting for the seeding...
Be warned, you may find the seeding process disturbing... :devil:
I have a feeling Henman will be N0.3 seed this year, :p ...

jtipson
06-14-2004, 03:44 PM
Be warned, you may find the seeding process disturbing... :devil:
I have a feeling Henman will be N0.3 seed this year, :p ...

If he is third, then they'll have had to concoct an extraodinary formula to give him 1200+ points to overtake Coria. It would probably mean Flipper would be seeded top 8 as well. Still, it can't be long now! <taps fingers impatiently>

LCeh
06-14-2004, 03:45 PM
Is it supposed to be out today?

star
06-14-2004, 03:46 PM
Didn't Wimbledon agree to stick by "the formula" a couple of years ago?

Why do people think it will be abandonded this year?

jtipson
06-14-2004, 03:50 PM
It's usually the day after the Queen's final, so should be today. wimbledon.org's seeded player page says the info will be available on the 14th. Draws used to be out Tuesday, I'm not sure why (or when) they changed it to Thursday.

I think they can change the formula at will every year, but I'm not certain.

Chrisie
06-14-2004, 03:51 PM
star, I'm just joking, this thread is getting too serious. If Henman gets third, well, I'll cheer for whoever play against him, even Oliver Muttis...

Dirk
06-14-2004, 03:53 PM
Hitchhiker read this very carefully. Wimbly semi 17 aces to 4. Cup Semi 12 aces to 5. Even in Montreal where Rogi lost he still had more aces than Andy. Did you see Andy's winner to error ratio in the Wimbly semi match? It was very good. I think it was 25+. Andy did bring his A game but Rogi brought his A game too and won. Oh and had Rogi not made the same mistake that Andy did on his first service point in the breaker then there would have not been a set point for Andy. Andy served 149 miles last year against Andre and wasn't able to serve that against anyone at Wimbly. His highest serve was 136 against Roger. If Rogi can beat Pete (greatest grass player) and Mark and many other serve and volleyers than he can handle Andy. Andy might beat him if he plays the better match but he would need Rogi to be off.

star
06-14-2004, 03:57 PM
It's usually the day after the Queen's final, so should be today. wimbledon.org's seeded player page says the info will be available on the 14th. Draws used to be out Tuesday, I'm not sure why (or when) they changed it to Thursday.

I think they can change the formula at will every year, but I'm not certain.

They can seed by ouiija board if they want, but I think when there was the threat to boycott a couple of years ago, they came up with the 32 seeds idea and agreed on "the formula" for seeding players differently than by the rankings. This was the solution to the players' wrath. Although they have the power to do away with the formula, that would be breaking thier word.

star
06-14-2004, 03:58 PM
he would need Rogi to be off.

Isn't that true of any player who beats Roger?

Dirk
06-14-2004, 04:05 PM
Well Star its a truth that nobody can out winner Rogi except maybe Saffy in indoors so they all pretty much need Rogi's error count to be very high. Andre himself said so after beating him in Miami 02. I do think Andre could beat Rogi on hardcourts with Rogi playing a good match. JC same thing but just include the clay. I think that is one of the best matchups in tennis personally.

star
06-14-2004, 04:06 PM
So then. Everyone is agreed. The only player who can beat Roger is Roger. :D

Seraphim
06-14-2004, 04:10 PM
Why do ordinary people like ourselves tend to believe WE have the audacity to WRITE someone off?

"He's the next Pete Sampras"
"He has to win 346 Grand Slams, AND THEN WE can compare him"

*PETE SAMPRAS WON 14 GRAND SLAMS, NOT ANT OF US, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT WAS ALL PETE. HE WAS THE ATHLETE. HE HIT THE BALL. HE SWUNG THE RACKET.
AND MANY BECAME FANS WHO BELIEVED IN HIS SKILL TO BECOME GREAT IN HIS PROFESSION.

WE DO NOT have a single fucking say in what roger will do or wht will happen until ROGER makes the first step.

I'm not waiting around for Roger to become the "next Pete S." nor am I going to subject him to that because Sampras isn't some kind of pinnacle for R.F., but he is and always will be for HIS own satisfaction. He didn't win fourteen for any of us, he won them for HIMSELF. PERIOD.

What Roger Federer will win, and how many he'll win will be up to him ONLY.
So if anyone is going to write Roger of as the next Sampras, it'll be ROGER. He doesn't need anyone elses permission, TODAY OR ANY OTHER DAY.

i'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE "HOPE" "PRAY" AND "WISH" FOR SOMEONE'S FAILURE SO MUCH.
HAVE AN OPINION, BUT DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE LIFE YOU HAVE WHEN YOUR NOT REPLYING TO THIS MESSEGE BOARD.

P.S. I'M WAITING FOR ROGER FEDERER TO BECOME THE NEXT AND ONLY ROGER FEDERER BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A "PETE SAMPRAS".

jtipson
06-14-2004, 04:19 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how that quite relates to the discussion in this thread? Perhaps we can start a new one for this.

Mind you, it doesn't seem to matter most of the time round here ;)

I was just wondering what the connection was....

Deboogle!.
06-14-2004, 04:21 PM
Yea.... no one's wishing for anyone's failture..... well maybe except hitchhiker and the Duck-haters, but otherwise I think we're all wishing for everyone to play his best :)

Skyward
06-14-2004, 04:31 PM
power beats the crap out of talent



Roger has power on his own, it's just one of his MANY talents. :lol:

Rex
06-14-2004, 04:46 PM
roddick is not that good, he will have some big competition, and if he keeps serving 153 mph, someone will learn how to return it............

Seraphim
06-14-2004, 05:01 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how that quite relates to the discussion in this thread? Perhaps we can start a new one for this.

Mind you, it doesn't seem to matter most of the time round here ;)

I was just wondering what the connection was....


IT RELATES TO THE DISCUSSION OF SOME OF THE POSTS.

THE CONNECTION?

THE THREAD AND YOUR RESPONSE TO IT IS THE CONNECTION. (REMOVING CAPS) Besides, I really wanted opinions to my first question. The rest was clearly a rant.

but i will say it this way............ some of you come off as if your living vicariously through our favorites. try re-reading my post with andy roddick in mind or your favorite player compared to pete sampras.

didn't mean to type in all caps.

Seraphim
06-14-2004, 05:07 PM
Yea.... no one's wishing for anyone's failture..... well maybe except hitchhiker and the Duck-haters, but otherwise I think we're all wishing for everyone to play his best :)

They, and many others were who I was referring to.

There is dislike, and then there is something else (maybe crazy). who knows?

Havok
06-14-2004, 05:45 PM
:retard::scared:

Deboogle!.
06-14-2004, 07:44 PM
the thing on the Wimby site for the seeds was changed from today (14th) to the 17th (that's when the draw is made right?)

grr

jtipson
06-14-2004, 07:48 PM
Thanks bunk, grrrr to them from me too. They have only *just* changed it.
Why are they waiting so long this year?

Still, at least it gives players who are doubtful more time to heal their injuries.

*Ljubica*
06-14-2004, 07:51 PM
Thanks bunk, grrrr to them from me too. They have only *just* changed it.
Why are they waiting so long this year?

Still, at least it gives players who are doubtful more time to heal their injuries.

Haven't got a clue jtipson, but I personally think the injuries have got a lot to do with it. At least 4 would-be seeded players are serious doubts for Wimbledon this year - Safin, Nalbandian, Ferrero and Calleri, and while I guess they can re-jig the draw without too many problems if one player drops out - 4 would make the whole thing a bit of a joke. Only my idea though - don't know for sure.

jtipson
06-14-2004, 07:59 PM
Your theory makes sense, Rosie. Of those players David is the one that's really key. Is there any more news on whether he's likely to play?

Deboogle!.
06-14-2004, 08:01 PM
Maybe they're having a harder time finnagling the seeds and they just want more time? ;)

Fumus
06-14-2004, 08:04 PM
Hmmm...my take on this thread

Hitchhiker, you should catch a ride from bullshitville where you are living to the real world. Roger is the most talented man in tennis right now. I am an Andy fan and there would be nothing I would like to see more than Andy win Wimbly. It's just you can't discount everyone else in the draw. I think Andy can beat Roger, infact, I would love a Roger v. Andy final where both plays their best and Andy walks away with a victory. It's just not likely...I don't think both will even make the final let alone, Andy defeating Roger. Who knows they have yet to play this year...

O btw, Rex, Andy is that good.. ;)

rue
06-14-2004, 08:06 PM
All I can say is that Roger is considered to be the top favorite and I do not see why he would not be able to defend his title, unless if the pressure gets to him or someone plays some out of this world tennis like never before. I guess it is all up to Roger himself too. Andy has got a good chance, but he has got a poor record against Roger and that is not too good, Henman could take him on but it will still be tough to beat Federer.

*Ljubica*
06-14-2004, 08:08 PM
Your theory makes sense, Rosie. Of those players David is the one that's really key. Is there any more news on whether he's likely to play?

Well it's still pretty unlikely jtipson as he still felt pain when he started practising again at the week-end. He hasn't officially withdrawn yet as he desparately wants to play, and is planning to get to London tomorrow and spend a few more days practising on grass before making a final decision (he is playing in an exhibition tournament here starting on Wednesday which should give him more idea of match fitness ), but my own view is that he won't play - or if he does, he won't be fully fit and only last a couple of rounds :sad:

I agree he is key though - because no matter how the AELTC try to deny it, they always seed to give Tim preferential treatment, and if David is seeded above him (which he should be), and then drops out it could plunge Tim into the half of the draw they don't want him to be in :devil:

jtipson
06-14-2004, 08:26 PM
Thanks for the update Rosie. David really does deserve the fourth seeding over Tim, it's a pity they both can't be top 4, but I don't see even the AELTC getting away with that. But you're right they could royally mess-up the draw with their fumblings :(

star
06-14-2004, 08:49 PM
I agree he is key though - because no matter how the AELTC try to deny it, they always seed to give Tim preferential treatment, and if David is seeded above him (which he should be), and then drops out it could plunge Tim into the half of the draw they don't want him to be in :devil:

No matter where Tim is seeded there is a 50/50 chance of him being in "the half of the draw they don't want him to be in."

Right?

:confused:

jtipson
06-14-2004, 09:04 PM
50/50 of course, star :)

I'm not sure how much they care whether he's in the top or the bottom, by the way. The important thing for Tim is he's not in the same half as Lleyton ;)

Sjengster
06-14-2004, 09:28 PM
Exactly, jtipson, exactly. That's the only real instance where some draw-fixing might actually take place. OK, so he wouldn't be too keen on drawing Grosjean in his section either, but only the name Hewitt can make every Henman fan's spine shudder to the core.

As for this thread, well, it's safe to say that anyone who declares "Player X is going to win this title and beat Player Y" is being a moron, since nothing is guaranteed in men's tennis - not even at Wimbledon, which is the least open of all the Slams and seems even more restricted this year. There are very few people who are actually capable of winning the event, but plenty capable of knocking off one of the top contenders if they have a good serving day. I'm still waiting for a Croatian darkhorse to cause a massive upset, it happened in 2001 with Goran, in 2002 with Ancic and last year with Karlovic - eek, I hope the defending champion has more success this time...

Roddick can indeed serve 153 mph now and all his serves at that speed in Queens were unreturnable, but a) as he'll tell you, it's only worth one point and b) you can't do it on your opponent's serve too, unfortunately. Roddick lost that semi last year not because of his serving (which was poorer than in previous rounds, but that's because Federer got so many 130mph+ deliveries back in play and made him overpress on the serve), but because he couldn't hit a decent return off Federer's serve to save his life and his volleying was atrocious, timidly tapped into the open court for Federer to pass him. THAT's the area in which, if he is going to beat Federer, he has to improve - he knows that full well and is working on it, even if his volleys still look a little clumsy to me at times.

I for one won't be surprised if Roddick wins Wimbledon - disappointed, yes, because I don't care for the thought of my home Slam being won by a pallid, unshaven clown with a game that is the tennistic equivalent of chloroform. But of course it's possible, just as it's possible Federer will beat him again, just as it's possible that neither of them will get anywhere near the final. That's what the other 126 players show up for.

Neely
06-14-2004, 09:37 PM
unshaven clown
LOL, funny comment ;) but at least Andy grows some beard, unlike Henman *g* :rolls: :tape:
(in his FO semifinal, was that all after more than a week :p )

Sjengster
06-14-2004, 09:45 PM
LOL, funny comment ;) but at least Andy grows some beard, unlike Henman *g* :rolls: :tape:
(in his FO semifinal, was that all after more than a week :p )

I gather Roddick was also disappointed with the state of his beard, but you miss the point Neely - Henman is unshaven too, but not so much of a clown. ;) Federer too, he went for the Bjorn Borg appearance during Wimbledon last year and looked a bit rubbish, IMO. Heck, even Schalken tried it at Dusseldorf, and it did little to enhance his already-slim aesthetic appeal. They'll never learn, beards are for swarthy Latin types like Gonzalez who look as though they were born hirsute and will die in the same state.

Pea
06-14-2004, 09:47 PM
:haha:

Neely
06-14-2004, 09:50 PM
:woohoo: :lol: ;) :bigclap:

hitchhiker
06-14-2004, 11:59 PM
As for this thread, well, it's safe to say that anyone who declares "Player X is going to win this title and beat Player Y" is being a moron, since nothing is guaranteed in men's tennis - not even at Wimbledon, which is the least open of all the Slams and seems even more restricted this year.


i see people declaring federer unbeatable and no one even blinks


There are very few people who are actually capable of winning the event, but plenty capable of knocking off one of the top contenders if they have a good serving day. I'm still waiting for a Croatian darkhorse to cause a massive upset, it happened in 2001 with Goran, in 2002 with Ancic and last year with Karlovic - eek, I hope the defending champion has more success this time...


some ancic gave federer a butt whooping 2 years ago, how quickly people forget


Roddick lost that semi last year not because of his serving (which was poorer than in previous rounds, but that's because Federer got so many 130mph+ deliveries back in play and made him overpress on the serve), but because he couldn't hit a decent return off Federer's serve to save his life and his volleying was atrocious, timidly tapped into the open court for Federer to pass him. THAT's the area in which, if he is going to beat Federer, he has to improve - he knows that full well and is working on it, even if his volleys still look a little clumsy to me at times.


he already has improved. his serve has improved (didnt serve over 140 mph against roger, now it is his average serve spped), his return has improved and he will soon volley as good as sampras


I for one won't be surprised if Roddick wins Wimbledon - disappointed, yes, because I don't care for the thought of my home Slam being won by a pallid, unshaven clown with a game that is the tennistic equivalent of chloroform.

with such tennis fans is it any wonder tennis is becoming a joke

roddick is setting new boundaries in terms of power, reinventing what man on a tennis court is capable of and smashing world records and you consider it bad

get back to your prawn sandwich and stop killing tennis

Shy
06-15-2004, 12:57 AM
some ancic gave federer a butt whooping 2 years ago, how quickly people forget






roddick is setting new boundaries in terms of power, reinventing what man on a tennis court is capable of and smashing world records and you consider it bad



Roger wasn't as good as now two years ago.He improves a lots since then.Roddick might be setting new bounderies in terms of power, but it is useless when the other can return the ball.Except fron his serve which has not trouble roger much, the other aspect of his game is inferior to Roger wich made him vulnerable against him.However, if Roger is having trouble with his serve,I think that Andy can beat him, but Roger doesn't have much trouble with his serve when he gets far in the tournament.

denim
06-15-2004, 01:04 AM
Roddick is huge contender obviously but i saw official wimbledon film of wimbledon 2003 today which they showed here on on of our tv channels and I forgot how great roger was last year.

If he plays like he did in last years final in particular no stopping him, you could throw kitchen tabel at him & he'd still win, if he drops off a level which is feesable as hes a human than andy is certainly the one to take advantage.

Havok
06-15-2004, 01:13 AM
:p sjeng you dont have to like the players winning your home tournies. and way to degrade his game, allez:rocker2:

Chloe le Bopper
06-15-2004, 04:15 AM
he will soon volley as good as sampras

Right, and he's going to win 15 slams too, no doubt. Even Roland Garros, as his ability to slide into a wicked forehand will soon surpass that of Moya or Ferrero. His return will soon be greater than Hewitts, it's only a matter of time.

I don't know why everybody else doesn't just retire immediately

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 04:19 AM
Right, and he's going to win 15 slams too, no doubt.

no he wont

Even Roland Garros, as his ability to slide into a wicked forehand will soon surpass that of Moya or Ferrero.

no it wont


His return will soon be greater than Hewitts, it's only a matter of time.

roddick beat hewitt easily

Chloe le Bopper
06-15-2004, 04:24 AM
Boy, this thread's growing quickly.

Ok, hitchhiker, since you're so sure andy will wins, you have to drink you're age in shots if he doesn't win the tournament. :retard:
Wow, an entire mickey? Do you think he can handle it?

trixy
06-15-2004, 04:25 AM
Well hitchhiker ur just silly Ferrero is going to stop him duh :rolleyes: :p :D

Chloe le Bopper
06-15-2004, 04:26 AM
I've only skimmed this thread, but I see very few people who are willing to dispute the fact that Roddick is one of the favourites going into Wimbledon. The dispute is over uh, the other ridiculous comments. I"m not sure why this troll was worth 5 pages, but I guess that since Coria troll season is over, Roddick trolls want to start their season off with a bang.

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 04:28 AM
I've only skimmed this thread, but I see very few people who are willing to dispute the fact that Roddick is one of the favourites going into Wimbledon. The dispute is over uh, the other ridiculous comments. I"m not sure why this troll was worth 5 pages, but I guess that since Coria troll season is over, Roddick trolls want to start their season off with a bang.


thank you for the useless summary.........now sit back and watch roddick beat federer

Shy
06-15-2004, 04:29 AM
Wow, an entire mickey? Do you think he can handle it?
Is he or her old enough to drink at least? It doesn't sound like he is.

Chloe le Bopper
06-15-2004, 04:31 AM
Is he or her old enough to drink at least? It doesn't like he is.
(pst - a mickey is about 12 shots... or maybe it's 13. Either or. At least that is the terminology use for said bottles of alcohol in this region)

Shy
06-15-2004, 04:34 AM
(pst - a mickey is about 12 shots... or maybe it's 13. Either or. At least that is the terminology use for said bottles of alcohol in this region)
I didn't know that. I don't drink much.

Chloe le Bopper
06-15-2004, 04:45 AM
I didn't know that. I don't drink much.
You sort of took the wind out of my punchline, but that's okay ;)

I don't drink much either, but used to buy mickeys when I was underage.

Pea
06-15-2004, 05:15 AM
Be sure to bump this up in the upcoming week!:D

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 05:17 AM
Be sure to bump this up in the upcoming week!:D

i certainly will when roddick beats federer

i bet everyone will be saying they always knew roddick could do it even though 99% of you in here have said how far superior federer is :haha:

USA will rock you

lsy
06-15-2004, 05:23 AM
roddick beat hewitt easily

You're so sharp in picking that one shot Roddick missed in the TB as the main reason why Roddick lost to Roger last wimby, I'm surprise you missed how Hewitt made 5 UEs while serving for the 1st set or how Grosjean missed a ridiculously simple forehand to win that 1st set, both vs Andy in Queens.

No? :confused:

Shy
06-15-2004, 05:27 AM
I really like some Andy fans, but I really really want Roger to win just to see hitchhiker reaction (for the fact that I like Roger too)even if I know that most people do not want to see Roger win another big title this year again.Why most newbies are trolls?

*Ljubica*
06-15-2004, 05:33 AM
I really like some Andy fans, but I really really want Roger to win just to see hitchhiker reaction (for the fact that I like Roger too)even if I know that most people do not want to see Roger win another big title this year again.

Totally agree with you Shy - the expression "pride comes before a fall" springs to mind where hitchhiker is concerned - he/she is a very new poster though, so maybe will learn a bit of sense and humility along the way.

As for "most people" not wanting to see Roger win another major title this year - well certainly here in England, the majority of people I have spoken to would much prefer seeing Roger win Wimbledon again than Andy - though of course Tim is the sentimental favourite! And if David doesn't play (or loses early), I will DEFINATELY be rooting for Roger :)

Shy
06-15-2004, 05:38 AM
Davis hurts his ribs,right? So,I think that it will be very hard for him to play at a high level for two weeks unfortunately.

Pea
06-15-2004, 05:48 AM
i certainly will when roddick beats federer

i bet everyone will be saying they always knew roddick could do it even though 99% of you in here have said how far superior federer is :haha:

USA will rock you

:cuckoo: I'll bet that you will disappear from this board right when rodduck loses in the first week of Wimby.:haha:

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 05:51 AM
:cuckoo: I'll bet that you will disappear from this board right when rodduck loses in the first week of Wimby.:haha:

peabrain. we all know roddick is reaching at least the semi finals. even ater that it will be a shock if he loses, i got $500 on roddick winning and i will be leaving after i shove andys victory in everyones face, along with some pie.

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 06:00 AM
I'm surprise you missed how Hewitt made 5 UEs while serving for the 1st set or how Grosjean missed a ridiculously simple forehand to win that 1st set, both vs Andy in Queens.


who cares about a small event that roddick won while being at 50%?
Roddick will be fired up and ready for the ocasion this year and wont be nervous in a big match

i cant wait for everyones reaction when he wins the big w

*Ljubica*
06-15-2004, 07:12 AM
Davis hurts his ribs,right? So,I think that it will be very hard for him to play at a high level for two weeks unfortunately.

Yes he did, and yes I agree with you unfortunately :sad:

Lee
06-15-2004, 07:38 AM
This thread is just hilarious.

lsy
06-15-2004, 07:38 AM
Is he still schedule to play the exhibition then?

If it's serious, I hope he will take a break rather than further aggrivate it. We need him to be in Houston year end.

Action Jackson
06-15-2004, 07:47 AM
Hahaha, this seems to be a boom for trolling season.

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 08:30 AM
you all seem to forget that roddick has been on the tour 2 years less then federer and is younger.
he will take charge of their rivalry by winning the 2 slams left this year, just like pete a decade years ago, if you dont agree then state it here so that i know who to laugh at when your wrong.

*SKYE*
06-15-2004, 09:01 AM
grrr.... BOO RODDICK! lol

*Ljubica*
06-15-2004, 09:38 AM
you all seem to forget that roddick has been on the tour 2 years less then federer and is younger.
he will take charge of their rivalry by winning the 2 slams left this year, just like pete a decade years ago, if you dont agree then state it here so that i know who to laugh at when your wrong.

I don't think we're laughing at Andy HH - more at your excessive xenophobia - though from the tone of your previous posts I guess you may have to look that word up in a dictionary :)

Boludo
06-15-2004, 10:04 AM
you all seem to forget that roddick has been on the tour 2 years less then federer and is younger.
he will take charge of their rivalry by winning the 2 slams left this year, just like pete a decade years ago, if you dont agree then state it here so that i know who to laugh at when your wrong.

Do you write your own material man? I hope you have an agent, there is plenty of talent to work with after some of the posts I have read so far.

You are the man HH.

Space Cowgirl
06-15-2004, 10:11 AM
you all seem to forget that roddick has been on the tour 2 years less then federer and is younger.
he will take charge of their rivalry by winning the 2 slams left this year, just like pete a decade years ago, if you dont agree then state it here so that i know who to laugh at when your wrong.

Yawn
You should have put that $500 to better use ;)

Boludo
06-15-2004, 10:15 AM
Yawn
You should have put that $500 to better use ;)

Doesn't brain surgery cost more than that?

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 10:19 AM
Doesn't brain surgery cost more than that?

what a funny man.

we will see if your laughing when roddick wins wimbledon.

how do you come up with one liners like that?

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 10:21 AM
im moving into this thread until the end of wimbledon so that i can laugh at you all everyday and provide daily updates as to roddick domination

and federers demise

AMERICANS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Bilbo
06-15-2004, 10:27 AM
im moving into this thread until the end of wimbledon so that i can laugh at you all everyday and provide daily updates as to roddick domination

and federers demise

AMERICANS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah of course and I'm Santa Claus. Roddick beating Federer at Wimbledon is a joke. Only a none-expert or biased Roddick fan would say this :rolleyes:

Boludo
06-15-2004, 10:28 AM
what a funny man.

we will see if your laughing when roddick wins wimbledon.

how do you come up with one liners like that?

No, you are the funny man I could never start a thread this witty. Come on you need an agent with all your talent, that shouldn't be going to waste.

Where were you during the clay season, just wondering?

Boludo
06-15-2004, 10:29 AM
Yeah of course and I'm Santa Claus. Roddick beating Federer at Wimbledon is a joke. Only a none-expert or biased Roddick fan would say this :rolleyes:

Gruss dich Santa, we must follow the path of enlightenment. :)

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 10:34 AM
bilbo well done, you came out and gave a opinion. you boldly stated that roddick wont beat federer, we will see if you turn out to be hero or goose


Where were you during the clay season, just wondering?

i dont care about desert tennis, the dirt players are boring to watch unless andy is involved.
if i want to see sport on sand i watch beach volleyball.

heya
06-15-2004, 10:35 AM
Queen's Club was empty without Coria and Henman. :sad:

jtipson
06-15-2004, 10:42 AM
i dont care about desert tennis, the dirt players are boring to watch unless andy is involved.

What the heck does clay court tennis have to do with deserts? :rolleyes:

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 10:45 AM
What the heck does clay court tennis have to do with deserts? :rolleyes:

they both have unneeded sand, are unplesant and breed useless creatures

Space Cowgirl
06-15-2004, 10:55 AM
what a funny man.


I'm not a man.
You remind me a lot of some Ferrari Formula 1 fans, they are just as intolerant and don't (want to) see the bigger picture. But then, maybe you are just here to wind people up ;)

*Ljubica*
06-15-2004, 11:36 AM
bilbo well done, you came out and gave a opinion. you boldly stated that roddick wont beat federer, we will see if you turn out to be hero or goose



i dont care about desert tennis, the dirt players are boring to watch unless andy is involved.
if i want to see sport on sand i watch beach volleyball.

OK folks - I have finally come to the conclusion - this Hitchhiker character is NOT for real! No one - just no one - can be that blind and stupid - if he is for real than my faith in human nature and education has been totally, totally destroyed.

Billabong
06-15-2004, 11:40 AM
thank you for the useless summary.........now sit back and watch roddick beat federer

I thought I would regret giving a bad rep to you.. but finally I think you deserves it;)! Now you can be proud to be the first guy here on MTF to have a grey dot, will you celebrate that too:p?

hitchhiker
06-15-2004, 12:24 PM
OK folks - I have finally come to the conclusion - this Hitchhiker character is NOT for real! No one - just no one - can be that blind and stupid - if he is for real than my faith in human nature and education has been totally, totally destroyed.

stupid? because i dont like clay tennis?

Sjengster
06-15-2004, 04:06 PM
This thread is hilarious, I was beginning to worry about having to construct a decent counterargument to hitchhiker's posts but with his latest offerings I can see there is no need to take him seriously whatsoever. Yes, the clay season must be very unpleasant when your most beloved player can't crack an egg during it. Interesting that most of the people who have declared Federer unbeatable aren't actually confirmed fans of him, whereas you have the arrogance to come along as a Roddick fan and declare flat-out that he is going to win Wimbledon. Awfully sorry about finding him dull, but that's just a case of different groundstrokes for different folks.

Don't worry, Naldo, my insult of Roddick was only one opinion and I'm sure he won't let it affect him; after all, the "pallid, unshaven" comments are fact, the only parts that come down to my individual interpretation are the clown-like behaviour and the dullness of his game. At least I'm not denigrating his standing in the game, unlike some who say that he will never win another match, finish the year ranked 1000, blah blah. I know full well that he's capable of reaching no. 1 again and winning more Slams, I just don't have to like it, is all. ;) And I don't need morons like hitchhiker telling me that the above is an absolute certainty.

amethyst
06-15-2004, 04:46 PM
i dont care about desert tennis, the dirt players are boring to watch unless andy is involved.


:haha: You find it boring because Andy usually isn´t involved ;)

sigmagirl91
06-15-2004, 05:06 PM
i cant believe you all

pommy henman? the guy isnt some amature, he has been at wimbledon for years and hasnt wont crap, why would it change?
the english suck at sport

can someone answer me this. if roddick was so wonderful against federer then why did he only serve 4 aces? 4 aces in a match. that suggests to me a flat roddick because even houdini cant keep roddick to 4 aces when he serves well.

A period or a comma would do you good....

Fumus
06-15-2004, 05:11 PM
Hey guys take it easy on Hitchhiker, he is new to the forums! Yea we all think what he says is bull shit, and yeah he's annoying, sure he gives a bad name to Andy fans/Americans...but is that really a reason to...eh...alright...forget it...rip into him...:lol:

*Ljubica*
06-15-2004, 05:12 PM
stupid? because i dont like clay tennis?

No - that is only one of many of your comments that leads me to my conclusion :)

And Sjengster - :worship: :worship: - to your last post! Especially the bit about the "clown-like bahaviour and the dullness of his game"!

Fumus
06-15-2004, 05:13 PM
A period or a comma would do you good....

ps. Didn't I tell you to retire :haha:

sigmagirl91
06-15-2004, 05:22 PM
Hey guys take it easy on Hitchhiker

All the more reason for me to employ troll-bashing tactic number 98764321....

Fumus
06-15-2004, 05:32 PM
Yeah of course and I'm Santa Claus. Roddick beating Federer at Wimbledon is a joke. Only a none-expert or biased Roddick fan would say this :rolleyes:

What are you talking about? It's certainly not a joke! Roddick was one point away from busting that semi-final match open last year or did you forget he had a set point in which he dumped an easy forehand, which would have been a winner into the net? Roger went on to play two amazing sets but, if Andy had won that tiebreak that match would have been wide open. ;)

Don't forget Bilbo, Roddick went 1 and 2 against Fed last year, and all the matches they have ever played had TB's and the quality of tennis that was played was awfully high. Certainly not a blow outs!! :fiery: :fiery:

"A none-expert" what is that? :lol: I didn’t know people specialized in knowledge of “none”. Is that the person that studies the female servants of the catholic church, no..no..no..that’s a “nun” expert!!

"a biased Roddick fan"? :mad: Don't start making stereotypes on us because someone else said something you don't agree with…

Havok
06-15-2004, 05:36 PM
This thread needs to die :yawn: Pretty much every single post in here is pure bullshit. Yay!:D

Deboogle!.
06-15-2004, 05:37 PM
some people need to learn how to utilize the ignore feature :)

playwithmybanan
06-15-2004, 05:43 PM
as for wimbledon, the match Could have been wide open if roddick won the first set. but he didn't, so it makes little sense to argue any further about what's already happened.
guillermo could have won roland garros if he hadn't hit his forehand wide, then we'd have a different grand slam champion. but that doesn't change anything.

instead of saying roddick will wimbledon, how about saying that You want him to win? wish him luck. personally, i'd like to see hewitt win it. whether or not i believe he stands a chance against federer or roddick is a different story.

and in the spirit of the thread...
Guillermo Coria will definitely win wimbledon.

Pea
06-15-2004, 06:02 PM
peabrain. we all know roddick is reaching at least the semi finals. even ater that it will be a shock if he loses, i got $500 on roddick winning and i will be leaving after i shove andys victory in everyones face, along with some pie.

At least the semis? :o It seems like someone is not sure of himself anymore.:haha:

Fumus
06-15-2004, 06:14 PM
as for wimbledon, the match Could have been wide open if roddick won the first set. but he didn't, so it makes little sense to argue any further about what's already happened.
guillermo could have won roland garros if he hadn't hit his forehand wide, then we'd have a different grand slam champion. but that doesn't change anything.

instead of saying roddick will wimbledon, how about saying that You want him to win? wish him luck. personally, i'd like to see hewitt win it. whether or not i believe he stands a chance against federer or roddick is a different story.

and in the spirit of the thread...
Guillermo Coria will definitely win wimbledon.

huh? what? Wwwhhhat are you talking about there?? :lol:

I think you missed my point and that is, Roddick vs. Federer is not a joke it's a great match-up Bilbo said "Roddick beating Fed at wimbly is a joke", certainly not. That's why I brought up last years match, I tried to illustrate how close it was and just how close and how competitive all their matches have been. Clearly my breathe was wasted, ert...keystrokes were wasted on you... :rolleyes:

Sjengster
06-15-2004, 06:31 PM
What are you talking about? It's certainly not a joke! Roddick was one point away from busting that semi-final match open last year or did you forget he had a set point in which he dumped an easy forehand, which would have been a winner into the net? Roger went on to play two amazing sets but, if Andy had won that tiebreak that match would have been wide open. ;)

Don't forget Bilbo, Roddick went 1 and 2 against Fed last year, and all the matches they have ever played had TB's and the quality of tennis that was played was awfully high. Certainly not a blow outs!! :fiery: :fiery:

"A none-expert" what is that? :lol: I didn’t know people specialized in knowledge of “none”. Is that the person that studies the female servants of the catholic church, no..no..no..that’s a “nun” expert!!

"a biased Roddick fan"? :mad: Don't start making stereotypes on us because someone else said something you don't agree with…

Keep 'em coming Fumus, I haven't seen puns this good since the Carry On films ended.

Only two of the six Federer-Roddick matches have been close, the first one they played and Roddick's victory in Montreal last year (which was not great tennis, he started out well but in the final set he made some embarrassing volley errors to lose serve and Federer responded in kind with double faults at the end of the match). Yes, we can argue about what might have been had Roddick taken that setpoint (not that if he had he was guaranteed to storm ahead and win, of course), just as I could argue about what might have happened had Roddick's return not dropped fortuitously into the corner with Federer serving at 4-3, 30-30 in the final set in Montreal. In Federer's last two victories Roddick has had exactly two breakpoints on his serve, and they were both in one game at Wimbledon.

In summary: does Roddick have a chance this year against Federer? Of course, they are 1 and 2 in the world and he has improved his volleying this year. Have all their matches been closely contested in the past? Not really, in every one of Federer's wins Roddick's serve has got him to a first set tiebreak which he has then lost and proceeded to crumble.

Fumus
06-15-2004, 06:34 PM
Keep 'em coming Fumus, I haven't seen puns this good since the Carry On films ended.

Only two of the six Federer-Roddick matches have been close, the first one they played and Roddick's victory in Montreal last year (which was not great tennis, he started out well but in the final set he made some embarrassing volley errors to lose serve and Federer responded in kind with double faults at the end of the match). Yes, we can argue about what might have been had Roddick taken that setpoint (not that if he had he was guaranteed to storm ahead and win, of course), just as I could argue about what might have happened had Roddick's return not dropped fortuitously into the corner with Federer serving at 4-3, 30-30 in the final set in Montreal. In Federer's last two victories Roddick has had exactly two breakpoints on his serve, and they were both in one game at Wimbledon.

In summary: does Roddick have a chance this year against Federer? Of course, they are 1 and 2 in the world and he has improved his volleying this year. Have all their matches been closely contested in the past? Not really, in every one of Federer's wins Roddick's serve has got him to a first set tiebreak which he has then lost and proceeded to crumble..

I asked Federer what he thought...

Sjengster
06-15-2004, 06:42 PM
Roddick's problem is that he tends to do the reverse.

Fumus
06-15-2004, 06:45 PM
bleh, yea, I think he gives credit but, he's confident, I think Roddick knows he has got the beat Fed, he just hasn't produced them on grass yet, well they have to play this year..

YoursTruly
06-15-2004, 06:48 PM
The title to this thread sounds political.

Fumus
06-15-2004, 06:59 PM
Andy Roddick future Mayor of Wimbledon, past American mayors have been Johnny Mac, Pete Sampras, even Andre Agassi served a short term in office.....

Deboogle!.
06-15-2004, 07:01 PM
To whomever was cheering for Mutis...... sadly he won't be making a main draw appearance at Wimby

Bob Bryan (USA) def. Olivier Mutis (FRA) 5-7 6-3 6-2

GO BOB! :)

Fumus
06-15-2004, 07:02 PM
Bob "Beads" Bryan!!

Dirk
06-15-2004, 07:08 PM
If they both play well Rogi wins end of story. That is what happened last year when they both brought their A games. Fumus I could say what if Rogi didn't make that error on his break point in the 1st set thus cancelling out a breaker and/or what if Rogi didn't make the same error on his 1st service point in the breaker that Andy did on set point thus never giving andy a set point. Andy didn't lose that set because of it, he lost it when Rogi won the next service point from him. As for their future matches, its like any other match for the most part. The one who plays better will win.

Fumus
06-15-2004, 07:19 PM
Proto, I wasn't doing a what if type thing, I was trying to say the matches were competitive and that when Roger faces Andy it's not a beatdown like Bilbo was saying is all.

Dirk
06-15-2004, 07:21 PM
Fumus or shall I call you by your other name here? I wrote that its all about the better player on that day. Yes Rogi has a better game and weapons but if he or Andy doesn't play better in the match the other guy wins.

Fumus
06-15-2004, 07:24 PM
yea, but, that wasn't my point, my point was that the match wasn't a beat down like Bilbo said it was.

tangerine_dream
06-15-2004, 07:24 PM
I always thought it curious that some people refer to Roger's match with Andy at Wimby last year as being some kind of humiliating beat-down. A humiliating beat-down would be the one Fish got the other day: 6-0, 6-3 in under 60 minutes. At 2003 Wimby, Roger was clearly untouchable but he still couldn't manage to bagel Andy, even if the defeat was in straight sets 7-6(6) 6-3 6-3.

Deboogle!.
06-15-2004, 07:26 PM
I always thought it curious that some people refer to Roger's match with Andy at Wimby last year as being some kind of humiliating beat-down.

Some people have selectively clouded memories:)

Dirk
06-15-2004, 07:27 PM
It wasn't a humiliation because Andy played well. His winners far surpassed his errors. Maybe the 3rd set could be called a beat down since Andy got broken twice but that is about as far as I will take it.

vene
06-15-2004, 07:37 PM
Andy did say he got his ass whipped. I think it was just Roger's quality of play

Fumus
06-15-2004, 07:40 PM
Yea exactly, Dirk, that's my point, so the idea that Andy could beat Roger at Wimbly isn't a joke, Andy has as good a shot at beating Roger as anyone except maybe Tim Henman..

Fumus
06-15-2004, 07:41 PM
Andy did say he got his ass whipped. I think it was just Roger's quality of play

Yea, that's exactly what Andy said in the post match press conference :rolleyes:

Havok
06-15-2004, 08:07 PM
uh........ when did both Roger and Andy bring their A games? When 2 people bring their A games, those matches are usually classics, I don't think any of their matches were classics by any means :scared: but I agree, a Roddick with his A game is inferior to Roger playing his A game, but Andy's working hard at improving:p

vene
06-15-2004, 08:17 PM
Yea, that's exactly what Andy said in the post match press conference :rolleyes:
Actually, he said that after Houston

Fumus
06-15-2004, 08:29 PM
oh Vene, your soo vein...you probably think this post is about you! Don't you! :lol:

vene
06-15-2004, 09:55 PM
oh Vene, your soo vein...you probably think this post is about you! Don't you! :lol:
I guess this is how you guys bump up the Roddick threads, lol. I've never understood what there was to talk about in Roddick: he has a big serve, big forehand and he is now trying to volley more. That's it. Safin, Hewitt Coria, Scud are much more interesting IMO.

Deboogle!.
06-15-2004, 10:45 PM
Well I guess it's good that everyone's opinions are not the same :rolleyes: Just because that's all YOU see vene, doesn't mean that's all other people see. I don't see what's so great about Roger but I don't go storming into threads about him and say so. If you're not interested in discussing him, then leave the thread - it's not that hard.

*Ljubica*
06-16-2004, 05:27 AM
Well I guess it's good that everyone's opinions are not the same :rolleyes: Just because that's all YOU see vene, doesn't mean that's all other people see. I don't see what's so great about Roger but I don't go storming into threads about him and say so. If you're not interested in discussing him, then leave the thread - it's not that hard.

I'm sorry to disagree bunk, but this is NOT a Roddick thread, but a discussion thread in General Messages, and therefore Vene and everyone else has a perfect right to post their opinions here - about Roger or anyone else. I'm sure Vene doesn't go storming into threads on Andy's Forum - I certainly don't - in fact can honestly say I've never been there in my life because that Forum is for Andy's fans to chat about him, and I am definately NOT one of them. But we have as much right to visit this thread as you have to visit the infamous "Duckhunting" thread, - and I have seen you "storming over" there many times getting upset about the things us "haters" say. Or is there one rule for Andy's fans and another rule for everyone else?

Pea
06-16-2004, 06:44 AM
If you don't want people to go into your little rodduck threads, don't post them in general messages.:o

hitchhiker
06-16-2004, 12:36 PM
i wonder if this thread is being gossiped about on the other forum :haha: some people are obsessed!

GO RODDICK!!!!!

Billabong
06-16-2004, 12:40 PM
i wonder if this thread is being gossiped about on the other forum :haha: some people are obsessed!

GO RODDICK!!!!!

you're the idiot who posted on the Federer forum, that was a great idea from you, really :retard: :silly: :rolleyes:!

hitchhiker
06-16-2004, 12:42 PM
you're the idiot who posted on the Federer forum, that was a great idea from you, really :retard: :silly: :rolleyes:!

at least i posted about federer instead of discussing other people behind their back

love those pictures dont you? :rolleyes: :mad: ;) :D :o :) :devil: :worship: :( :sad: :angel: :wavey: :confused:

Billabong
06-16-2004, 12:53 PM
at least i posted about federer instead of discussing other people behind their back

love those pictures dont you? :rolleyes: :mad: ;) :D :o :) :devil: :worship: :( :sad: :angel: :wavey: :confused:

After everything you said in this only thread, I guess it's normal people talk about you;)?? If you wanna discredit and down Federer, the Federer forum isn't the place to do it, in case you didn't know that :retard:!

Of course I love the smilies, everybody does here:)!

Deboogle!.
06-16-2004, 01:22 PM
i wonder if this thread is being gossiped about on the other forum :haha: some people are obsessed!


I'd about bet my life on it:)

tangerine_dream
06-16-2004, 03:39 PM
hitchhiker, you complained that everybody freaks out when Andy is named as the favorite to win but not when Roger is....the reason for this is because Roger is the defending Wimby champion and therefore, he is the man to beat. It's his title until somebody takes it away from him. If you had said, "Roddick for USO" you probably wouldn't have gotten any argument from anybody, not even the Roddick haters here. And therefore, we would have had a less entertaining thread. ;)

vene
06-16-2004, 06:12 PM
Just because that's all YOU see vene, doesn't mean that's all other people see. I don't see what's so great about Roger but I don't go storming into threads about him and say so.
Even if you don't like Rogi, you should at least recognise what's so great about him - he is ubertalented. It's very scary if you can't recognise excellence and genius staring at you right in the face.

Deboogle!.
06-16-2004, 07:21 PM
Even if you don't like Rogi, you should at least recognise what's so great about him - he is ubertalented. It's very scary if you can't recognise excellence and genius staring at you right in the face.

But you see, I could say the same thing about Andy. You should recognize the talents he has too, and the charisma and personality he brings to the sport. It's all a matter of opinion. If we all shared the same ones, life would be boring. But no one should be insulted for their opinions, no matter how misguided we might think they are.

Skyward
06-16-2004, 07:51 PM
But you see, I could say the same thing about Andy. You should recognize the talents he has too, and the charisma and personality he brings to the sport. It's all a matter of opinion. If we all shared the same ones, life would be boring. But no one should be insulted for their opinions, no matter how misguided we might think they are.

Сharisma and personality are subjective things. On the other hand, tennis skills belong to the objective category. If you don't like Roger's personality, that's fine. But if you fail to see his great tennis abilities, that's your loss. :lol:

Deboogle!.
06-16-2004, 07:58 PM
I could say I don't think Roger's that talented. It's still subjective. Even if most people were to think I'm wrong it's still my opinion and I deserve to have it and not be insulted for it. That's the point. "talent" is a subjective word. Anyone can interpret it however he or she wants. I could say it's your loss for not appreciating the fun that Andy brings to the game. This is a circular argument that could go on forever - because no one's right and no one's wrong.

Havok
06-16-2004, 08:17 PM
:bigcry: and the thread keeps on rolling :scared:

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-16-2004, 08:28 PM
So what, are Federer and Andy the new Pete vs. Andre? LOL, people are really getting riled up over these two!! Well, I hope they both make it to the final then, that'd be fun...

MissPovaFan
06-16-2004, 08:51 PM
So what, are Federer and Andy the new Pete vs. Andre? LOL, people are really getting riled up over these two!! Well, I hope they both make it to the final then, that'd be fun...

I reckon we should wait until the end of the year before deciding whether they are the new 'Pete v Andre,' but if each of them win Wimbledon or US Open and calve up the remaining TMS between them then I think we can safely say they are the new 'Pete v Andre.' :p

lsy
06-17-2004, 08:46 AM
hitchhiker, you complained that everybody freaks out when Andy is named as the favorite to win but not when Roger is....the reason for this is because Roger is the defending Wimby champion and therefore, he is the man to beat. It's his title until somebody takes it away from him. If you had said, "Roddick for USO" you probably wouldn't have gotten any argument from anybody, not even the Roddick haters here. And therefore, we would have had a less entertaining thread. ;)

Yes this thread had been very entertaining indeed and I thought hh is the only one who completely missed the point. To let it stays as it is and before it's turned into another "andy haters" degrading his game topic, just one point :

Nobody "freaks out" with Andy being named one of the favourite to win. People were only having a go with hh's very deluded and arrogant statements such as :

-Andy's power will blow everyone off the court, not just Roger but its a "LOL" that Fish, Hewitt or even henman has any chance to beat him (didn't even bother to mention Nalbandian);
-Andy will dominate in wimby, just watch him throw pies on everybody when that happens;
-power beats the crap out of talent;
-Roger getting lucky last year win in Wimby when Andy played flat;
-Andy only needs to play at 50% in a "mickey mouse" event to beat Hewitt, Grosjean easily

If hh were to make similar arrogant statements such as above going into USO, arguments will still be there I'm sure, be it from Andy haters or not and deservingly so.

jtipson
06-17-2004, 09:41 AM
If hh were to make similar arrogant statements such as above going into USO, arguments will still be there I'm sure, be it from Andy haters or not and deservingly so.

Completely agree Lsy. It's not the fact that we're talking about Wimbledon, where Roger is the defending champion, that makes what HH says unacceptable, although it does make it more ridiculous. If his statements were about the USO (or any other tournament) I would still take the same stance.

tangerine_dream
07-01-2004, 06:49 PM
hitchhiker! come back! :bigcry: :haha:

Fumus
07-01-2004, 06:59 PM
lol...Tangy!! HH said he would be back when Roddick wins Wimbly, so maybe never!!lol