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How far is wining a GS on hard court for Nadal

alexinmusic
01-24-2008, 01:24 PM
IS he getting closer to the trophy of AO or USO, since he got to SF for the first time

, or,

much further away due to the crumble he got this time?

cmurray
01-24-2008, 01:27 PM
IS he getting closer to the trophy of AO or USO, since he got to SF for the first time

, or,

much farer away due to the crumble he got this time?

He is neither closer nor further away. If Rafa encounters a hard-hitter who is playing really well, he WILL lose on hardcourts. It has always been that way, it will always be that way. Nothing has changed. He might play a tad better on hards then he did 2 or 3 years ago, but I still don't think it'll ever be enough.

Andi-M
01-24-2008, 01:28 PM
I like Nadal but the answer to this question is clear.

He had one of the easiest draws in GS history on his was to the semi finals. He did not meet a player in the top 20,yet still couldnt reach the final.

He certainly isn't getting any closer put it that way.

Exodus
01-24-2008, 01:29 PM
he will never win a another GS for sure he's past his prime already. from now on DOWNFALL

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 01:36 PM
Depends on the ATP, next time they might arrange 6 clowns to face him before the final, so his fans can keep believing he's improving... :lol:

cmurray
01-24-2008, 01:37 PM
Depends on the ATP, next time they might arrange 6 clowns to face him before the final, so his fans can keep believing he's improving... :lol:

Wow. You are really being quite the ass today.

Exodus
01-24-2008, 01:38 PM
Depends on the ATP, next time they might arrange 6 clowns to face him before the final, so his fans can keep believing he's improving... :lol:


:haha::haha::haha:
guess he's paying ATP the big bucks

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 01:43 PM
:haha::haha::haha:
guess he's paying ATP the big bucks"Me play Hernandez, Safin, Mello, Massu, Robredo and Gasquet, you get 200K, no pression, no?"

Exodus
01-24-2008, 01:44 PM
"Me play Hernandez, Safin, Mello, Massu, Robredo and Gasquet, you get 200K, no pression, no?"

i wouldn't mind him playing safin and gasquet :o

sheeter
01-24-2008, 02:28 PM
He is neither closer nor further away. If Rafa encounters a hard-hitter who is playing really well, he WILL lose on hardcourts. It has always been that way, it will always be that way. Nothing has changed. He might play a tad better on hards then he did 2 or 3 years ago, but I still don't think it'll ever be enough.

What do you call Safin?
But in truth, Nadal isn't cut out for hardcourts, but has gotten more aggressive, and I like the way his serve is looking.

Burrow
01-24-2008, 02:30 PM
He is neither closer nor further away. If Rafa encounters a hard-hitter who is playing really well, he WILL lose on hardcourts. It has always been that way, it will always be that way. Nothing has changed. He might play a tad better on hards then he did 2 or 3 years ago, but I still don't think it'll ever be enough.

How the hell are you supposed to tell some guy "this is how it always will be", how the hell would you know, I think he can make some alterations, he is only 21.

Replace the bolded with "than".

Burrow
01-24-2008, 02:33 PM
What do you call Safin?
But in truth, Nadal isn't cut out for hardcourts, but has gotten more aggressive, and I like the way his serve is looking.

Safin? Safin has never reached form he has since 2005, put Safin of 2005 or prior on a court with Nadal, in Montreal, night match, Nadal would get absolutely hammered.

People cannot take his injuries into consideration, never fails to amuse me. Do you think he would have gone from number 3 in the world dropping as low as 106 (or whatever it was) if he never got injured?

cmurray
01-24-2008, 02:49 PM
Safin? Safin has never reached form he has since 2005, put Safin of 2005 or prior on a court with Nadal, in Montreal, night match, Nadal would get absolutely hammered.

People cannot take his injuries into consideration, never fails to amuse me. Do you think he would have gone from number 3 in the world dropping as low as 106 (or whatever it was) if he never got injured?

It's a good thing you are such a grammar expert. Thanks for correcting me. :lol:

:secret: next time you might want to try writing a sentence that makes sense.

l_mac
01-24-2008, 02:57 PM
and I like the way his serve is looking.

:spit: I don't.

It's the same distance away it always was.

tennizen
01-24-2008, 03:50 PM
It's usually seven best of five set matches in a row as far as I know:shrug:

groundstroke
01-24-2008, 03:52 PM
If he can't be an unseeded player, than he has absolutely no chance.

groundstroke
01-24-2008, 03:55 PM
How the hell are you supposed to tell some guy "this is how it always will be", how the hell would you know, I think he can make some alterations, he is only 21.

Replace the bolded with "than".
You really don't know anything about the style Nadal plays?

jasmin
01-24-2008, 04:04 PM
I think he's trying to improve his game since his body isn't the same but I don't think he's getting closer because he made it to the SF. Unfortunately I have to admit that he had an easy draw. I think if he met Blake and a few others he wouldn't have gotten this far. I do feel for him because I know he's really trying hard.

I also don't that in certain cases being seeded doesn't mean much. I knew Tsonga had game. He just wasn't there mentally yet.

MatchFederer
01-24-2008, 04:04 PM
You really don't know anything about the style Nadal plays?

You are posting well above your station groundstroke. Burrow is one of the more knowledgable posters on this board. Way more knowledgable than me, and i'm not bad.. and WAY more knowledgable than you.

:angel:

KaxMisha
01-24-2008, 04:08 PM
You are posting well above your station groundstroke. Burrow is one of the more knowledgable posters on this board. Way more knowledgable than me, and i'm not bad.. and WAY more knowledgable than you.

:angel:

Well, looking at this case only, suggesting Nadal will be able to adapt his game does not sound very knowledgeable to me. He is a pro player with a certain style. His style will not change dramatically any more. There is no chance of that happening.

stebs
01-24-2008, 05:24 PM
He needs to hit top form, get a nice enough draw and have things go his way in the big matches. It is possible to happen but unlikely in the foreseeable future. This was a really good chance for him but he wasn't good enough and JWT played awesome.

As for the Safin things, right now Safin is far from a top player on any surface and is unlikely ever to be again. In his prime safin would be the perfect example of anti-Nadal. Good serve, good off both wings, big shots. He would have a great record against Nadal if he played the Spainard as well as he could play a few years ago.

helgagonzalez
01-25-2008, 02:11 AM
nadal is playing better on HC so not too far now. :)

FedFan_2007
01-25-2008, 02:14 AM
Nadal will never win the AO/USO.

Kuhne
01-25-2008, 03:19 AM
Nadal is one of the luckiest grandslam participants in recent memory.

I mean just check it out.

Wimbledon 2006 - Easy ass cakewalk draw. made the final, got owned by the one real good player he faced. (Fed) who wasn't even playing his best tennis. Nadal couldn't take advantage.

Wimbledon 2007 - Difficult draw but wow... 2 opponents who could have beaten him were hurt, Youhzny was 2 sets up and got injured and then Federer plainly played a crap match and gifted him 2 sets and STILL couldn't do it.

AO 2008 - Easiest draw in the history of easy draws and still gets manhandled in the semis.

Rafa is made for clay.

Robshots
01-25-2008, 03:37 AM
I think he would need both a good draw and all the top seeds to fall early, I can't see him ever beating Federer on that surface and he was outgunned big time by Tsonga.

He is still relatively young but is already experienced. It wouldn't surprise me if it did happen one day but I wouldn't hold my breath.



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mickymouse
01-25-2008, 03:51 AM
Somehow, I find the idea of him winning a GS on hard court far more plausible than the idea of Nalbandian ever winning any grand slam. Yes he's blessed with cakewalk draws and unbelievable luck on quite a few occasions but he makes the most of it, unlike Nalbandian or Roddick. Last Wimbledon, he could have been out in the 3rd round but he hung on all the way to the finals, clawing back from being 2 sets down at another point. He'll never be a great hardcourt player but he's always dangerous for the top players like Federer or Djokovic because he forces them to play well in order to beat him.

ExpectedWinner
01-25-2008, 04:26 AM
He needs a draw like this one up to the semis, then-Baghdatis/Haas/Roddick/Gasquet/Robredo/Dadydenko/Berdych with the wind /Djoker after a couple of 5 setters/nervious, tired , or old ( in a couple of years) Fed on slow hc in the SF/F. Can it happen?

MrChopin
01-25-2008, 04:59 AM
He needs a draw like this one up to the semis, then-Baghdatis/Haas/Roddick/Gasquet/Robredo/Dadydenko/Berdych with the wind /Djoker after a couple of 5 setters/nervious, tired , or old ( in a couple of years) Fed on slow hc in the SF/F. Can it happen?

Does Rafa know a guy named Uncle Toni?

I think it will take something along the lines of what you've outlined. Even with the great draw he had this time around, there was one guy playing well enough to get through it and beat him rather easily. Ultimately, I don't think a draw would ever give him an easy path to a final that also happens to be easy; he'll most likely have to beat at least one consistent, heavy hitting hard court player. I can't see a draw much easier than this one, and so I think his next best bet would be to have #3/#4's quarter be absolutely miserable, ensuring that someone like Djokovic, Blake, or Murray make it through to his semi only after a few tough matches. Otherwise, I think his hard court slam career will oscillate around 4th/Q/S. He still has a few years to improve and for opponents to get injured, but I think guys like Djokovic, Murray, Gaquet... are going to get better on hard court faster than he will, and further, that among the upcoming talent, there will be more players adept at agressive hard court play, the kind of play that could trouble Nadal early on in tournaments.