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Can Tsonga put an end to the 25 year malediction of French tennis??

richie21
01-24-2008, 10:42 AM
It's been 25 years since a french player has won a GS(the last one being Noah) and we (at least me) expected Gasquet to put an end to this malediction one day.....but now Tsonga has,in my opinion, a strong chance to do that instead of him!:eek:

He can definitely win the AO now.

TMJordan
01-24-2008, 10:44 AM
Of course he "can"

But it will be very hard, playing against one of the two best players in the world.

Good luck to him.

ReturnWinner
01-24-2008, 10:44 AM
lets hope so, France tennis should not have that drought considering its the best school

Voo de Mar
01-24-2008, 10:46 AM
Yes, he has a huge chance. The match Djokovic-Federer should be long (I suppose more than 3 hours match) and Tsonga has a day off, never played against tomorrows' semifinalists so they haven't got mental advantage over Tsonga. There are very favorable circumstances.

Voo de Mar
01-24-2008, 10:50 AM
I believe in him since win over Gasquet ->

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6463736&postcount=9

Stensland
01-24-2008, 10:52 AM
no.

Rezandinah
01-24-2008, 10:54 AM
It's been 25 years since a french player has won a GS(the last one being Noah) and we (at least me) expected Gasquet to put an end to this malediction one day.....but now Tsonga has,in my opinion, a strong chance to do that instead of him!:eek:

He can definitely win the AO now.

Tsonga obviously played a great match today, Nadal was totally knocked out by the French's strenght.
However, maybe Nadal has a type of game that doesn't cause a lot of trouble to Jo-Wilfried. Who knows if he'll be able to play that good against Federer or Djokovic who both play tennis very differently than Rafael.

t0x
01-24-2008, 11:01 AM
I think Tsonga should cheer for Djokovic.

Federer will hit with a varity of different spins and always give Tsonga something different to look at. Also, Tsonga won't be in control of the points like he was today. Federer is very good at beating players on 'hot streaks'.

However, If Djoko makes it to the final (he has a very solid game, definatley could beat Fed if he's not 100%) Tsonga may overpower him.

Voo de Mar
01-24-2008, 11:03 AM
^ Agree. Tsonga's chances against D'Joke are bigger :)

Five Frenchmen have advanced to Grand Slam finals in the Open Era with Yannick Noah at 1983 Roland Garros, the only one to go on to win the title.
The others were:
Patrick Proisy (Roland Garros 1972)
Henri Leconte (Roland Garros 1988)
Cedric Pioline (US Open 1993 and Wimbledon 1997)
Arnaud Clement (Australian Open 2001)

anousleshommes@h
01-24-2008, 11:06 AM
Tsonga is a GENIUS!

scoobs
01-24-2008, 11:06 AM
^ Agree. Tsonga's chances against D'Joke are bigger :)

Five Frenchmen have advanced to Grand Slam finals in the Open Era with Yannick Noah at 1983 Roland Garros, the only one to go on to win the title.
The others were:
Patrick Proisy (Roland Garros 1972)
Henri Leconte (Roland Garros 1988)
Cedric Pioline (US Open 1993 and Wimbledon 1997)
Arnaud Clement (Australian Open 2001)
Agreed.

Unless he's able to do a Tipsarevic and land a lot of heavy blows early in the point. I think he'd struggle if Federer was allowed to take charge of rallies.

Avid Merrion
01-24-2008, 11:07 AM
well now he's made it to the final, anything is possible.
personally, i hope he does. it would make for a fitting end to a quite remarkable story for Tsonga at the AO :)

bokehlicious
01-24-2008, 11:13 AM
Well... That would be worse than after 98 WC... COCORIIIICOOO :o

richie21
01-24-2008, 11:14 AM
Well... That would be worse than after 98 WC... COCORIIIICOOO :o

No chance!:lol:

scoobs
01-24-2008, 11:25 AM
One of the things Tsonga does have going for him is the great hands at the net.

If he can get in and take the initiative away from either Federer or Djokovic, it could really help him on his way.

Puschkin
01-24-2008, 11:37 AM
Agree. Tsonga's chances against D'Joke are bigger :)

Probably, I am making a fool out of myself :o, but I just feel the opposite.

If Tsonga approches the final like he did all his other matches with no fear and a lot of confidence, I feel it will be easier to make Roger doubt than Djokovic.

If he gets overwhelmed by the occasion, he will lose to both, Roger/Djokovic, and rather easily.

scoobs
01-24-2008, 11:44 AM
The thing will be his nerves.

Sure they've been like steel so far but this isn't just his first slam final, it's his first ATP level final.

Could they at last come into play?

Avid Merrion
01-24-2008, 12:02 PM
The thing will be his nerves.

Sure they've been like steel so far but this isn't just his first slam final, it's his first ATP level final.

Could they at last come into play?

nerves are a definite unknown factor, but i thought they'd come into play today and they quite clearly didn't so who knows on Sunday....?

vincayou
01-24-2008, 12:03 PM
I think he can. The last French player with a real opportunity was Leconte in 88. The guy was able to play at a very high level on a good day but was often off. Pioline and Clement had straight set defeat written on the wall on each final. Good players but limited and Agassi/Sampras were on the opposite side of the net.

Tsonga can play at a very very very high level. He's on fire. I hope he will seize the moment, I feared he would show nervousness against Nadal, but no, so there is hope. Of course, it's his first ATP final, so I would say that this is too big too fast for him, but he has surprised us many times already.

He has a better chance against Djokovic. Because Federer can mix more and find a solution, and because of the aura of his past 12 wins. Djokovic hasn't won a slam yet, and Tsonga won't think that he has less right to grab the trophy.

^ Agree. Tsonga's chances against D'Joke are bigger :)

Five Frenchmen have advanced to Grand Slam finals in the Open Era with Yannick Noah at 1983 Roland Garros, the only one to go on to win the title.
The others were:
Patrick Proisy (Roland Garros 1972)
Henri Leconte (Roland Garros 1988)
Cedric Pioline (US Open 1993 and Wimbledon 1997)
Arnaud Clement (Australian Open 2001)

ryan23
01-24-2008, 12:06 PM
Even though Tsonga was great tonight/today his finalist whoever it will be is far more stronger than Nadal on this kind of court,so i say no

Rae777
01-24-2008, 12:08 PM
Of course he can win

Yappa
01-24-2008, 01:23 PM
It would certainly be interesting to follow, how the french media would react.

Labamba
01-24-2008, 03:46 PM
of course he can, but the better chance would be against Djokovic for sure

Tsonga clearly is a big match player, which Gasquet on the other hand isn't. Monfils must be wondering why he can't pull it together like Tsonga has...he basically has the same 'tools' to do it, but the tactics aren't right. Tsonga's run should be a huge inspiration to the French players, especially to someone like Monfils. French tennis is looking to have a great future.

jcempire
01-24-2008, 03:51 PM
Yes, He is the Next Roger Federer

Shabazza
01-24-2008, 03:58 PM
of course he can, but the better chance would be against Djokovic for sure

Tsonga clearly is a big match player, which Gasquet on the other hand isn't. Monfils must be wondering why he can't pull it together like Tsonga has...he basically has the same 'tools' to do it, but the tactics aren't right. Tsonga's run should be a huge inspiration to the French players, especially to someone like Monfils. French tennis is looking to have a great future.

Tsonga and Monfils play the game very differently. Monfils doesn't have the same 'tools' as Tsonga apart from a big forhand, esp. not at the net. The same with the serve (Monfils first serve is fast but inconsistent and his 2nd serve is just weak). Monfils plays more of a retriever style way behind the baseline - Monfils is an all-out attacker, who can end points at the net easily. Don't know where you see the comparison. Apart from both being black, their games are very different, as are their mindsets.

trucul
01-24-2008, 04:01 PM
I would really like to but I think that if he meets Federer, he will have little chance. In Grand Slam, Roger was only beaten in recent years by Nadal at the French and Magic Safin at AO.

Even if Roger had difficulties against Tipsarevic this week, he managed to go through and his match against Blake (who has the same kind of game as Tsonga, great serve, great forehand) showed that Roger is able to find a good answer to that kind of game.

If Djokovic beats Federer, it will also be tough for Tsonga because Novak is in exceptional shape and beating Federer would bring him even more confidence than Tsonga beating Nadal.

The only chance for Tsonga between Federer or Djokovic is to server 2 aces per game and try winning serve returns.

Anyway, whatever the final, it will be an interesting match to watch :eek:

Labamba
01-24-2008, 04:15 PM
Tsonga and Monfils play the game very differently. Monfils doesn't have the same 'tools' as Tsonga apart from a big forhand, esp. not at the net. The same with the serve (Monfils first serve is fast but inconsistent and his 2nd serve is just weak). Monfils plays more of a retriever style way behind the baseline - Monfils is an all-out attacker, who can end points at the net easily. Don't know where you see the comparison. Apart from both being black, their games are very different, as are their mindsets.

I don't see why Monfils couldn't adopt a more attacking style of play, something similar to Tsonga. I'm not saying their game is similar right now, not at all, but it's not hard to see the same potential. The same tools I referred to are physical ability (strenght, pace, agility, etc.), big groundstrokes and the potential to serve huge (Monfils can/should improve the consistency of both the 1st and 2nd delivery).

lisaplenske
01-24-2008, 04:19 PM
if he can play even better than today or previous rounds??

dont know but he knows clearly what to do against his next opponent.Be ready either federer or djokovic.

brent-o
01-24-2008, 04:51 PM
Isn't it strange how the French players we wouldn't expect make it the final first? Bartoli at Wimbledon. Tsonga in Australia. When all along we've been expecting the likes of Golovin, Gasquet, Monfils, etc. to make that step first.

*julie*
01-24-2008, 05:01 PM
Isn't it strange how the French players we wouldn't expect make it the final first? Bartoli at Wimbledon. Tsonga in Australia. When all along we've been expecting the likes of Golovin, Gasquet, Monfils, etc. to make that step first.

Blame the media focusing on some players while others don't get any attention. Hopefully, Gasquet will have less pressure now that Tsonga steals the spotlight away from him. :)

RickDaStick
01-24-2008, 05:04 PM
Considering the man can put an end to world hunger, I don't see why this should be a problem

delsa
01-24-2008, 05:34 PM
Apart from both being black

Jo's not black (nor white). He's mixed. We don't like being forced into an ethnicity generally. Don't know how it's done elsewhere but in France we don't have to "chose" or have people chosing for us. Typical French "métis". We're numerous.

elessar
01-24-2008, 05:48 PM
I know everyone's gonna accuse me of patriotisme when I say...





no not a chance :p

richie21
01-24-2008, 06:19 PM
Even though Tsonga was great tonight/today his finalist whoever it will be is far more stronger than Nadal on this kind of court,so i say no


Well,considering the way Tsonga totally destroyed Nadal yesterday,you'd better hope for Federer or Djokovic that they are far more stronger than Nadal on hardcourt!

maf
01-24-2008, 06:25 PM
I hope so we deserve it, so many wasted talents due to missing brains :banghead:, but it's too soon to say, he's not the first surprise AO finalist on a hot streak.

richie21
01-24-2008, 06:46 PM
Probably, I am making a fool out of myself :o, but I just feel the opposite.

If Tsonga approches the final like he did all his other matches with no fear and a lot of confidence, I feel it will be easier to make Roger doubt than Djokovic.

If he gets overwhelmed by the occasion, he will lose to both, Roger/Djokovic, and rather easily.

Actually i hope he'll play Djokovic because contrary to Federer who is used to play GS finals and to win them, Djokovic can also get overwhelmed by the occasion as it will be only his second GS final and he'll be the huge favourite so he would have far more pressure than Tsonga.

DrJules
01-24-2008, 06:48 PM
I think he can. The last French player with a real opportunity was Leconte in 88. The guy was able to play at a very high level on a good day but was often off. Pioline and Clement had straight set defeat written on the wall on each final. Good players but limited and Agassi/Sampras were on the opposite side of the net.

Tsonga can play at a very very very high level. He's on fire. I hope he will seize the moment, I feared he would show nervousness against Nadal, but no, so there is hope. Of course, it's his first ATP final, so I would say that this is too big too fast for him, but he has surprised us many times already.

He has a better chance against Djokovic. Because Federer can mix more and find a solution, and because of the aura of his past 12 wins. Djokovic hasn't won a slam yet, and Tsonga won't think that he has less right to grab the trophy.

Tsonga has a much more impressive physical build than either Pioline, Clement or Leconte; his is bigger, stronger and moves better. That is the area he dominated Murray and Gasquet.

DrJules
01-24-2008, 06:50 PM
I hope so we deserve it, so many wasted talents due to missing brains :banghead:, but it's too soon to say, he's not the first surprise AO finalist on a hot streak.

I have often felt French players were physically too small and weak. However, this certainly does not apply to Tsonga.

~Jin~
01-26-2008, 11:37 AM
yes

Black Adam
01-26-2008, 11:54 AM
How Tall is he? They say 6'2 but he looks more like 6'3 to me.

richie21
01-26-2008, 11:56 AM
Tsonga has a much more impressive physical build than either Pioline, Clement or Leconte; his is bigger, stronger and moves better. That is the area he dominated Murray and Gasquet.

And he has one big and crucial weapon in the modern game that the players you just mentionned don't or didn't have: a big serve.

Månu
01-26-2008, 12:37 PM
How Tall is he? They say 6'2 but he looks more like 6'3 to me.

He's 1m88 in the international unit system :p

richie21
01-27-2008, 11:35 AM
Noah has still not found his successor.......:sad:

ReturnWinner
01-27-2008, 11:38 AM
well he was close :sad: but it think he morally won the match :):D :o

vincayou
01-27-2008, 11:42 AM
That was close indeed. I think he has the potential to go deep again in a slam. He's a fast learner, remember that 5 months ago he was losing in straight against Nadal on hard. Remember as well that Djokovic went several times deep before eventually winning it.

My money is more on Tsonga than Gasquet or Monfils after this tournament.

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 11:56 AM
I think this was a great experience for JWT. Most every player has to pay their dues before they win their first slam. Hopefully JWT can make some noise at Wimbledon. He has a ton of talent and, perhaps more importantly, the fire (something Gasquet lacks, unfortunately).

Voo de Mar
01-27-2008, 12:05 PM
I believe in Tsonga. He has a good game to win one out of three Grand Slam tournaments. Ironically in Paris, I see him farthest "only" in the 4th round.

richie21
01-27-2008, 12:08 PM
That was close indeed. I think he has the potential to go deep again in a slam. He's a fast learner, remember that 5 months ago he was losing in straight against Nadal on hard. Remember as well that Djokovic went several times deep before eventually winning it.

My money is more on Tsonga than Gasquet or Monfils after this tournament.


Gasquet has more chance than Tsonga to win a GS because of his great ability to play on grass(and not many players can play well there)which will probably enable him to win Wimbledon one day......his backhand is absolutely lethal on that surface and his volley skills are well above average.
Tsonga ,i fear, missed a chance of lifetime today......he has a big game but he lacks a plan B when his forehand or his serve is not working

Tennis-Engineer
01-27-2008, 08:57 PM
I think France has a good chance to win Davis Cup 2008.You have a very good team with different options for coach regarding the surface.For example Gasquet,Tsonga and Grosjean for hardcourt, Gasquet and Mathieu for clay, Gasquet, Tsonga and Mahut for grass.and also runners up of AO doubles are Clement/LLodra Who know each other very well and could earn crucial victories in close matches for France.Who is the first opponent for France in DC ?

Månu
01-27-2008, 09:21 PM
I think France has a good chance to win Davis Cup 2008.You have a very good team with different options for coach regarding the surface.For example Gasquet,Tsonga and Grosjean for hardcourt, Gasquet and Mathieu for clay, Gasquet, Tsonga and Mahut for grass.and also runners up of AO doubles are Clement/LLodra Who know each other very well and could earn crucial victories in close matches for France.Who is the first opponent for France in DC ?


Romania, France should go through on paper. The game is on hard court. Forget said that he'll probably call Tsonga so it will probably be Gasquet, Tsonga and Clement/Llodra (depending if Clement's injured ankle is fit)

richie21
01-27-2008, 11:23 PM
I think France has a good chance to win Davis Cup 2008.You have a very good team with different options for coach regarding the surface.For example Gasquet,Tsonga and Grosjean for hardcourt, Gasquet and Mathieu for clay, Gasquet, Tsonga and Mahut for grass.and also runners up of AO doubles are Clement/LLodra Who know each other very well and could earn crucial victories in close matches for France.Who is the first opponent for France in DC ?

Seriously ,i don't care about the Davis Cup,we have won it many times in the last 20 years....now we need to see a french player winning a GS.