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Tsonga destroys (2)Nadal 6-2 6-3 6-2 to reach his 1st Grand Slam Final

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Exodus
01-24-2008, 12:38 PM
Doesn't Tsonga remind anybody else on an on-form Safin but with a better forehand and better defense?

yeah a little bit so that means he can beat federer :devil:

Langers
01-24-2008, 12:41 PM
Nadal didn't play as well as usual. True he wasn't allowed to, but he was just a fraction off tonight. I don't care how good the opponent is, the #2 player should NEVER lose in straight sets winning only 7 games, that's just ridiculous. Tsong was on fire but Nadal kept giving him exactly what he wanted. I am pretty disappointed, very in fact, and for Nadal to really gain respect he needs to achieve something in a major other than the French.

scoobs
01-24-2008, 12:42 PM
Yes but nobody's trying to compare Nadal and Federer on hardcourts here.
I'm pointing out that unless Nadal, like Federer does, finds a way to stop the players on a hot streak in their tracks, this is all we can ever expect from him and had better learn to be satisfied with that.

Savo
01-24-2008, 12:44 PM
How bandwagonish of me, but this Tsonga is good!
And some people still think that Nadal deserves to be number one.
Well this sure flushed all them Rafatards down the toilet.
I bet Rafa can't wait to roll in the dirt again...

adee-gee
01-24-2008, 12:44 PM
Well, I think the deal is that most people feel that Nadal got this far mainly because of his draw (it is certainly hard to find a counter-argument). I mean, if he had Nieminen in the quarters last year and then Gonzalez in the semis, he would have gone out in the semis that year too. It's not like this semifinal run is a result of him doing anything differently on the court. It was the way it always is with Nadal on hardcourt - he beats the not-so-good players with relative ease. but as soon as he is faced with a power hitter that plays well, he is out. This happens time and time again. He could have just as well met Tsonga earlier and had Tsonga played the same way (very likely, as he has ben splendid throughout the tournament), he would have been out in an earlier stage. What I am saying is that this semifinal run (unlike - for example - last year's Wimbledon final run, where Nadal actually had to beat tough opposition) is a result of a VERY easy draw and not of Nadal doing anything better than he used to. Again, it's not Nadal's fault that he had a very easy draw, but that does not change the fact that he did. Thus, this result is only an improvement on paper. Hence, it is understandable that he is not getting too much credit for it. Mind you, I I certainly belong to the "delighted that the pig lost" group, but had Nadal beaten say Berdych and Youzhny before going out to Tsonga in the semis, I think he would get much more recognition for a semifinal run (at least he would from me), even though a lot of people would still be happy that he lost. With this run, he has basically proved nothing except that he will get into the semis if he faces no top 20 players or power hitters who have a good day - and we all already knew that.
Although I agree with the majority of what you say, I think you're doing Nadal a slight injustice.

Too often recently, far too many of his groundstrokes are dropping in the middle of the court inside the service line, and if a power hitter is on form he'll eat them up all day. But Nadal at his best on a hard court is not nearly as bad as you make out - he's beaten Federer, Djokovic, Davydenko, Roddick, Youzhny, Murray, Gasquet etc all on the surface....You say he's only ever aggressive against weaker players, and although there is an element of this, I've seen him step it up against top class players. It's a matter of confidence though.

As for getting more credit and recognition if he'd had a harder draw, see Wimbledon 2007 :o

LisaKoh
01-24-2008, 12:45 PM
the way he hit his backhand today and played so fast inside the baseline, serving and returning big remember a little of safin but he still showed more variety

Yep, he's got a great net game. Much better than Marat's. He hits with more topspin too. That volley Tsonga hit in the third set was ridiculous. Tremendous, tremendous athleticism. What the hell happened between the time Tsonga played Nadal in September and now? :confused:

I'd be interested to see how Federer would play JWT. Fed will probably use a lot of low backhand slices to take him out of his rhythm. On the other hand, JWT didn't show a lot of nerves at all. When he beat Nadal there were no histrionics at the net, he just shrugged his shoulders as if to say that he was expecting that.

Neely
01-24-2008, 12:46 PM
Oh boy, that was incredible of Tsonga! Good courage, coolness and incredible shotmaking throughout the match, what a high level! And important: he survived critical situations which Nadal usually uses to his favour to come back or to make his opponent thinking. And these volleys, great skill, and also some luck on a few ones. No wonder they drove Nadal crazy because he hit plenty of usually good enough passing shots which should win him the point. Tsonga's level was simply insane.

Still well done for Rafa to reach the SF for the first time here, that's the result on the paper, but his draw was gentle too him and he did not the have the form he would have required to go further, and especially his lacking lenght in his baseline shots was ridiculous the whole match which made it a lot of easier for Tsonga to kill off some shots with direct winners. Also it was not aggressive enough what he played from mid-court. Just one example: Tsonga's ball hits the tape, takes out the pace and lands around the service line, and Nadal had plenty of time and played him into the racket on at least three occassions. And the situation at 15-40 on Tsonga's serve early in the 3rd set, as Rafa wasted a huge chance, rememered me a bit of this "minimini-choke" in the Wimbledon final when there was an absolutely makable shot to get the break. He has to sort this out or hope to run into opponents who are not on fire like that.

Again, simply incredible match :worship: Only for the viewer who doesn't primarly care about who wins it could have been a bit closer by the scoreline...

LisaKoh
01-24-2008, 12:47 PM
yeah a little bit so that means he can beat federer :devil:

Well Safin is Tsonga's idol so I'm sure he'd like to emulate him. Djokovic might have a thing or two to say about that though, Novak's looking super sharp.

Exodus
01-24-2008, 12:52 PM
Well Safin is Tsonga's idol so I'm sure he'd like to emulate him. Djokovic might have a thing or two to say about that though, Novak's looking super sharp.

i doubt he will beat federer
after federer almost lost against tipsa he has raised his level

shotgun
01-24-2008, 12:53 PM
I saw that one coming. :yeah: That's why the AO is my favourite Slam. Every year, a new surprise.

The final should be too strong an occasion for Tsonga, though.

Komodo
01-24-2008, 12:54 PM
Yeah, but that's faulty reasoning, because if you agree that the improvement is an exogenous factor (and judging by the "fair enough" part above, I think you do), then what you are basically saying is that it's good that he got an easier draw than last year. Again, it's good if you are a fan and want him to gain more ranking points, but in terms of his development as a player, it is neither good nor bad. It's just chance.

Not necessarily true, because the increase in ranking points is a developmental aspect of a tennis player in itself; even if only on a psychological level.

Secondly, to everybody who keeps writing that Nadal always runs into a red hot player, please think about that for a while.
Of course, that's no coincidence.
He is bound to run into a good player sometime in a slam, no matter how good his draw is. And when he finally meets a good hardcourt player who is playing well, he can get abused.
He is making the well-playing opponent look that good by giving them slow and short balls that they can pound and also by serving so badly.

And finally, I've already read that people hope that Tsonga won't be able to keep it up in the final "like Gonzalez and Baghdatis".
If Federer (or Djokovic) make their opponents look worse, it is just because they are that much better and don't give the other player what he needs to find his game or look great.

That Nadal and Roddick get shot of hardcourts by oh so hot streaking players repeatedly certainly has a good reason, and it is to be found in their way to play from the baseline.

/komo

Rommella
01-24-2008, 12:56 PM
Andy Murray: "See, I didn't suck."

Exodus
01-24-2008, 12:56 PM
Tsonga will fall to federer but will have a fair chance against joker

Daniel
01-24-2008, 12:56 PM
mmmm
well done :)

now Roger you must win tomorrow. :)

tennisgal_001
01-24-2008, 12:59 PM
Andy Murray: "See, I didn't suck."

Yeah, he must be so relieved now :lol:

Metis
01-24-2008, 12:59 PM
I'm pointing out that unless Nadal, like Federer does, finds a way to stop the players on a hot streak in their tracks, this is all we can ever expect from him and had better learn to be satisfied with that.

OK :shrug:

My original statement was that in the long run he has had consistently good results on HC. I never claimed he is of Federer's caliber on that surface (nobody in their right mind would), so we are in agreement.

Godiva
01-24-2008, 12:59 PM
This deserves a post from me. Jo-Willy! :worship:

zcess81
01-24-2008, 01:01 PM
His movement is completely surreal, I haven't seen anything like it before.

I do think that Rafa made him look a bit better than he is though.

completely agree with that!

Dimonator133
01-24-2008, 01:02 PM
mmmm
well done :)

now Roger you must win tomorrow. :)

i was rooting for Djoker, but now i couldn't agree more. Tsonga will drive Fed faster into retirement.

Dimonator133
01-24-2008, 01:03 PM
JWTS:worship:

SwiSha
01-24-2008, 01:04 PM
Fuck Yeah

KaxMisha
01-24-2008, 01:09 PM
Doesn't Tsonga remind anybody else on an on-form Safin but with a better forehand and better defense?

Naah, he is soooo much more forehand-oriented than Safin. I mean, they obviously have the same general approach to the game, but he reminds me more of a Berdych with (a little) less power and far, FAR superior movement.

~EMiLiTA~
01-24-2008, 01:10 PM
Sweet jesus that was the best tennis I've seen in a long long time. So proud of JoJo...great to see him doing so well after following him through his years of injury. WIN THIS THING DAMNIT!!!

The Freak
01-24-2008, 01:11 PM
Expected. :worship:
Now beat Federer/Djokovic. :cool:

yomike
01-24-2008, 01:11 PM
Nadal getting pounded is old news.

Julio
01-24-2008, 01:13 PM
How can Nadal pretend to win if he stays 2 m behind baseline even on Tsonga's second serve ? It's stupid.
I miss old times when players were more intelligent.

Auscon
01-24-2008, 01:22 PM
Awesome performance

Though I don't know why Jim, Roger and Todd in commentary never said a thing about Gonzalez...they kept talking about how amazing Tsonga's numbers were, what about Gonzo's monster matches from last year! I'm not even a Gonzo fan but wouldn't like to think those performances are forgotten about so easily...

Hope Roger gets the chance to deal with another slam newbie at the AO :)

Dimonator133
01-24-2008, 01:22 PM
Nadal getting pounded is old news.

that's what Xisca said

Dimonator133
01-24-2008, 01:23 PM
How can Nadal pretend to win if he stays 2 m behind baseline even on Tsonga's second serve ? It's stupid.
I miss old times when players were more intelligent.

would have been more of a blowout if he hadn't you moron:confused:

KaxMisha
01-24-2008, 01:23 PM
Although I agree with the majority of what you say, I think you're doing Nadal a slight injustice.

Too often recently, far too many of his groundstrokes are dropping in the middle of the court inside the service line, and if a power hitter is on form he'll eat them up all day. But Nadal at his best on a hard court is not nearly as bad as you make out - he's beaten Federer, Djokovic, Davydenko, Roddick, Youzhny, Murray, Gasquet etc all on the surface....You say he's only ever aggressive against weaker players, and although there is an element of this, I've seen him step it up against top class players. It's a matter of confidence though.

As for getting more credit and recognition if he'd had a harder draw, see Wimbledon 2007 :o

I don't think his strokes dropping in the middle of the court instead of at the baseline (I assume that was what you meant - please correct me if I'm wrong) is an exception for him. The opposite is. This is the way he normally plays - high balls with loads of topspin that are not too deep. It works great on clay, because the ball jumps up very high, he gets an easy ball and only THEN does he hit the deep shots. For normal rallying shots, the midcourt dropping forehands is what he does. I think that you are taking his best moments on hardcourt and looking at them as the norm. No surprise, you think he plays bad on hardcourt most of the time as a result. And as for the players he has beaten - Nadal is an excellent player. Hard court obviously is not his surface, but that does not mean that he is a lock to lose all the time against those who usually are superior hard court players. If they have a slightly off day and Nadal has a good one, of course he will win. I mean, he isn't the world number 2 for nothing. However (and this is a big "however"), the point I was trying to bring across is that Nadal never controls matches on hardcourts against those who can hit through him. The match is always their to lose, not Nadal's to win. To be sure, hitting through him is a mammoth task, and a lot of the time they fail, but still, Nadal is always vulnerable when playing hard hitters away from clay. This will not change, because this is his game.

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 01:25 PM
Nadal will start losing belief on hard courts and that might bring him down a bit. Djokovic might sneak in the 2nd place soon because of that.

LisaKoh
01-24-2008, 01:26 PM
Naah, he is soooo much more forehand-oriented than Safin. I mean, they obviously have the same general approach to the game, but he reminds me more of a Berdych with (a little) less power and far, FAR superior movement.

Well Berdych is the Poor Man's Safin.... :umbrella: So B-man=PMS then JWT= Rich Man's Berdych, ergo JWT= Safin? :confused:

This reminds me of one of those crazy logic games I had to solve for the LSATs.

KaxMisha
01-24-2008, 01:27 PM
Not necessarily true, because the increase in ranking points is a developmental aspect of a tennis player in itself; even if only on a psychological level.

Secondly, to everybody who keeps writing that Nadal always runs into a red hot player, please think about that for a while.
Of course, that's no coincidence.
He is bound to run into a good player sometime in a slam, no matter how good his draw is. And when he finally meets a good hardcourt player who is playing well, he can get abused.
He is making the well-playing opponent look that good by giving them slow and short balls that they can pound and also by serving so badly.

And finally, I've already read that people hope that Tsonga won't be able to keep it up in the final "like Gonzalez and Baghdatis".
If Federer (or Djokovic) make their opponents look worse, it is just because they are that much better and don't give the other player what he needs to find his game or look great.

That Nadal and Roddick get shot of hardcourts by oh so hot streaking players repeatedly certainly has a good reason, and it is to be found in their way to play from the baseline.

/komo

Regarding the first sentence: yeah, of course, but you know that was not what I was referring to. ;) As for the rest: :worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

Sean
01-24-2008, 01:34 PM
Never in doubt.
Completely expected.
But that was Tsonga's easiest match of the tournament. And people think this clown can ever be world number one roflmfao 2008 will see have drop out of the top 3. NID.

Adios el cerdo :wavey:

Himura
01-24-2008, 01:51 PM
I remember when Federer said that Nadal was one-dimentional and everyone was bashing him... now we know what he was talking about....

KaxMisha
01-24-2008, 01:54 PM
I remember when Federer said that Nadal was one-dimentional and everyone was bashing him... now we know what he was talking about....

I remember that period too. Fucking retards who called that "disrespectful", like "one-dimensional" automatically means bad. I remember that I even started a thread about this, saying that Nadal indeed is one-dimensional in the sense that he is great at what he does, but if it isn't working, he goes down. There's nothing else he can do. Well, recent development sure has not convinced me otherwise.

Johnny Groove
01-24-2008, 01:54 PM
Nice to see that Nadal's losses are still an MTF event.

What's next? Singing Kumbaya and pig and marshmallow roasting?

Bijoux0021
01-24-2008, 01:56 PM
Great job, Tsonga. :bounce:

Bilbo
01-24-2008, 01:56 PM
lol

one hell of a surprise imo especially the scoreline :eek:

unbelievable this tsonga. reaching the final is one of the biggest surprise in history of tennis imo. no way anyone would have bet on tsonga to reach the final.

on the other side i haven't watched a single match of nadal and tsonga this AO. so probably it wasn't that much of a surprise and the logical bet.

HNCS
01-24-2008, 01:57 PM
I remember that period too. Fucking retards who called that "disrespectful", like "one-dimensional" automatically means bad. I remember that I even started a thread about this, saying that Nadal indeed is one-dimensional in the sense that he is great at what he does, but if it isn't working, he goes down. There's nothing else he can do. Well, recent development sure has not convinced me otherwise.

yup, he said, nadal is one-dimensional but very effective. :)

Himura
01-24-2008, 01:58 PM
I remember that period too. Fucking retards who called that "disrespectful", like "one-dimensional" automatically means bad. I remember that I even started a thread about this, saying that Nadal indeed is one-dimensional in the sense that he is great at what he does, but if it isn't working, he goes down. There's nothing else he can do. Well, recent development sure has not convinced me otherwise.

I too thougt that it was nothing against Nadal...just the truth that he is one-dimensial but he does that in a way no one has done before.

TheBoiledEgg
01-24-2008, 01:58 PM
just WOW
got back in from work and heard it all on the radio and was stunned but over the moon
cant wait to see it on replay

jo-wilfried :woohoo: :D

Exodus
01-24-2008, 01:59 PM
Nice to see that Nadal's losses are still an MTF event.

What's next? Singing Kumbaya and pig and marshmallow roasting?

next up is nadal losing his titles during clay season and next season he will probably burn his body out just like kuerten

The Pro
01-24-2008, 02:02 PM
Anyone notice, was Nadal faking his service?

adee-gee
01-24-2008, 02:04 PM
I don't think his strokes dropping in the middle of the court instead of at the baseline (I assume that was what you meant - please correct me if I'm wrong) is an exception for him. The opposite is. This is the way he normally plays - high balls with loads of topspin that are not too deep. It works great on clay, because the ball jumps up very high, he gets an easy ball and only THEN does he hit the deep shots. For normal rallying shots, the midcourt dropping forehands is what he does. I think that you are taking his best moments on hardcourt and looking at them as the norm. No surprise, you think he plays bad on hardcourt most of the time as a result. And as for the players he has beaten - Nadal is an excellent player. Hard court obviously is not his surface, but that does not mean that he is a lock to lose all the time against those who usually are superior hard court players. If they have a slightly off day and Nadal has a good one, of course he will win. I mean, he isn't the world number 2 for nothing. However (and this is a big "however"), the point I was trying to bring across is that Nadal never controls matches on hardcourts against those who can hit through him. The match is always their to lose, not Nadal's to win. To be sure, hitting through him is a mammoth task, and a lot of the time they fail, but still, Nadal is always vulnerable when playing hard hitters away from clay. This will not change, because this is his game.
Yes that's what I meant (although I don't expect him to hit the baseline with every shot, just somewhere in between the service line and baseline would be nice).

Perhaps I do only look at his best matches, but I've seen enough good ones where he keeps an excellent depth to know he's capable of doing it. If he does, I believe he can compete with anyone, certainly keep the score close and have some chances.

HNCS
01-24-2008, 02:05 PM
Anyone notice, was Nadal faking his service?

i read something about this in the post - match interview.

what does it mean? :confused:

Julio
01-24-2008, 02:10 PM
would have been more of a blowout if he hadn't you moron:confused:

Wtf ? Look how Nadal had lost against YOuzhny in Chennai. Same game plan, same errors. It's stupid to play on hard like he would play on clay. Stupid. He can't stay beside baseline against "powa-players" who are strong on both sides.
And i'm not your friend Dimonitus, so keep the word "moron" for your psycho-ego.

scoobs
01-24-2008, 02:12 PM
Anyone notice, was Nadal faking his service?
He was certainly faking serving well.

Yappa
01-24-2008, 02:15 PM
fh+drop shot volley = Tsonga
I don't know how many points he made with the fh/drop shot combo. Impressive performance. :yeah:
Stayed focussed throughout the whole match. Really didn't expect, that he would be able to keep it up like that from start to finish.

Nadal's shots were more than once way too short, but oh well, I don't think that it really matters, considering how the frenchman played.
A shame that, apart from Eurosport, there was no other french TV coverage.

Andi-M
01-24-2008, 02:16 PM
Anyone notice, was Nadal faking his service?

could you explain this term?

calvinhobbes
01-24-2008, 02:21 PM
Expected loss for Nadal. He was in the thougher half of the draw . . . . . .:rolls::rolls::rolls:

CyBorg
01-24-2008, 02:27 PM
Geesh...

Looks like I was wrong about Tsonga. I just didn't think he had the head to win like this.

I'm glad to see this. We need more guys to give Roger and Rafa some push.

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 02:30 PM
Geesh...

Looks like I was wrong about Tsonga. I just didn't think he had the head to win like this.

I'm glad to see this. We need more guys to give Roger and Rafa some push.

If he manages to put up a performance like this in the final he has a decent chance to win it. Federer is an expert in making others choke with his aura and Djokovic is a really tough nut so it won't be an easy ride like today for sure.

RagingLamb
01-24-2008, 02:32 PM
let's see if he can keep it up, or he's just another flash in the pan...

Sparko1030
01-24-2008, 02:34 PM
:eek: on this result!

:sad: Rafa

:hatoff: Tsonga

AO has become the most surprising of the slams. :yeah: Every year (since Marcos anyway) some player comes from seemingly nowhere to get the honor to loose to Roger in the final. (or will it be Djoko this year?)

R.Federer
01-24-2008, 02:43 PM
WHAT?
Am I the only person who is finding out now? WHAT HAPPENED????

I did predict in the WWW thread that Tsonga was playing exactly like Gonzo was last year -- huge shots, with abandon. But a straight sets beatdown??? OMG!

UDACHi
01-24-2008, 02:49 PM
weird how there's always a random finalist at the aus open. :lol:
awesome job for jw. :eek: this has really come from nowhere.
semi is a big round to win.
and nadal is out. :yeah:

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 02:51 PM
weird how there's always a random finalist at the aus open. :lol:
awesome job for jw. :eek: this has really come from nowhere.
semi is a big round to win.
and nadal is out. :yeah:

It's the Australian Open curse. Most of the surprize finalists didn't actually flourish the way it was expected.

A_Rod
01-24-2008, 02:52 PM
I'm still upset.

Please FedEx, defeat to Nole and win this AusOpen!!! I don't want more unexpected surprises!!!!

Exodus
01-24-2008, 02:53 PM
It's the Australian Open curse. Most of the surprize finalists didn't actually flourish the way it was expected.

yeah like baggy just a another fluke that year

Mĺnu
01-24-2008, 02:55 PM
:eek: on this result!

:sad: Rafa

:hatoff: Tsonga

AO has become the most surprising of the slams. :yeah: Every year (since Marcos anyway) some player comes from seemingly nowhere to get the honor to loose to Roger in the final. (or will it be Djoko this year?)

It's not only since Marcos, Safin winning it was a surprise, Clement or Schuetler in the final and Johanson winning were big surprises as well!

But what a game from Tsonga, amazing :worship:

R.Federer
01-24-2008, 02:56 PM
Winners (Including Service)


Tsonga 49
Nadal 13

:help:

danton
01-24-2008, 02:59 PM
Bloody hell!!!!!!!! Other than that I really don't know what to say!

RonE
01-24-2008, 03:04 PM
Ouch. That's gotta hurt.

Congrats Jo-Wilfried :yeah:

Hey people, would you believe GlennMirnyi (known now as Hughes) predicted this a good week ago? I admit I laughed at him but he was right :o

(missing GM in GM)

PS. Awefuckingsome job Jo :D

Gu :worship:

alfonsojose
01-24-2008, 03:05 PM
Finally somebody has the balls to face Nadal and made him pay for his clay-court game on hardocurts. Half of the players enter the court thinking "he retrieves everything back, i'm gonna lose"

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 03:08 PM
yeah like baggy just a another fluke that year

Yeah like Baggy (2006), Johansson (2002) and Safin (2005).

anousleshommes@h
01-24-2008, 03:09 PM
Winners (Including Service)


Tsonga 49
Nadal 13

:help:

No the winners dont include the service lol. He hit 49 straight lear cut winners and 17 aces - not included.

RickDaStick
01-24-2008, 03:09 PM
Man hopefully Fed keeps his level up so this clown doesnt see #1. His last 5 tournaments, hes really gone out in style

16 26
46 06
46 16
06 16
26 36 26

Keep it Rafaroids!!

scarecrows
01-24-2008, 03:15 PM
that was one of the best performances I've ever seen

but obviously with Rafa on the other side it was easier to do that kind of match. I doubt Djoko/federer will give Jo so many chances to attack

ShotmaKer
01-24-2008, 03:16 PM
it's great to see shotmakers ruling on hardcourt when playing players like Nadal :drool:

Renaud
01-24-2008, 03:18 PM
How to ruin my paw in 6 lessons.... :worship:

sheeter
01-24-2008, 03:22 PM
Kudos to Tsonga for winning, but was really hoping Nadal would take it, get to the finals, and get beaten by Fed in five sets.
Sigh It wasn't meant to be.

RickDaStick
01-24-2008, 03:23 PM
Nice to see that Nadal's losses are still an MTF event.

What's next? Singing Kumbaya and pig and marshmallow roasting?

Cry me a fucking river

anousleshommes@h
01-24-2008, 03:26 PM
Yep, he's got a great net game. Much better than Marat's. He hits with more topspin too. That volley Tsonga hit in the third set was ridiculous. Tremendous, tremendous athleticism. What the hell happened between the time Tsonga played Nadal in September and now? :confused:

I'd be interested to see how Federer would play JWT. Fed will probably use a lot of low backhand slices to take him out of his rhythm. On the other hand, JWT didn't show a lot of nerves at all. When he beat Nadal there were no histrionics at the net, he just shrugged his shoulders as if to say that he was expecting that.

Between 2007 and now, he regrouped, entered some ATP and reached his first semifinal at a major event.

As for fed handling jo, well he's gonna need lots and lots of luck. You see, unlike most players, TSONGA DOESNT ATTACK TO HIT A WINNER, TSONGA ATTACKS TO COME TO THE NET AND HIT EITHER A DROP SHOP WINNER, OR A WINNER OFF THE VOLLEY. And most of the time, he ends up hitting winners OFF HIS GROUNDSTROKES. That's why he's so difficult to play because even if you go after his groundstrokes and return it, he's at the net and either hit a drop shot or volley. It's quite a task figuring out what plan he's opted for during a game.

Best of luck to both players.

aulus
01-24-2008, 03:28 PM
Yeah like Baggy (2006), Johansson (2002) and Safin (2005).

safin was the 4th seed in 05. the top 4 seeds made the semis in 05.

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 03:31 PM
safin was the 4th seed in 05. the top 4 seeds made the semis in 05.

Yeah he is a special case but the rest of the season was not really good for him.

Rommella
01-24-2008, 03:32 PM
Tsonga reminds me of a young Becker. His AO performance is reminiscent of when Becker won Wimbledon at 17. Same game style -- big serves, aggressive at the net -- as well as demeanor.

anon57
01-24-2008, 03:33 PM
Surprised at seeing how calm and collected Tsonga stayed during the match, seeing him playing like that you'd almost forget it was his first GS semi. Nice to see that he was able to keep up his level of play during the entire match. Hope he continues this type of play when he plays his first GS final. As for Nadal, it's kind of odd that he keeps losing matches in the exact same manner, he's shown he's capable of playing more aggresive/attacking tennis. But when he's losing matches like this he just seems to retreat even further behind the baseline and play even more defensive

anousleshommes@h
01-24-2008, 03:39 PM
why? tsonga wasn't hot going into the tournament, murray made him hot. a nadal/murray-mix is the perfect hitting partner for tsonga's style of play.

u got thaat right lol

Jimnik
01-24-2008, 03:39 PM
Expected result. :yeah:

Let the Tsonga hype begin.

scoobs
01-24-2008, 03:41 PM
Expected result. :yeah:

Let the Tsonga hype begin.
That boat sailed hours ago and is full steam ahead.

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 03:44 PM
That boat sailed hours ago and is full steam ahead.

There's an iceberg called Federer or Djokovic in the way though :lol:

Jimnik
01-24-2008, 03:45 PM
That boat sailed hours ago and is full steam ahead.
I noticed. :p

scoobs
01-24-2008, 03:48 PM
There's an iceberg called Federer or Djokovic in the way though :lol:
Could this be the end of the Tsongtanic?

Will anousleshommes's infatuation survive the collision?

"I'll never let go, Jo...."

:singer:

Fore....hand....nobody can stand...and I know that your run will go on....

R.Federer
01-24-2008, 03:49 PM
I like Nadal but I don't know how he will continue to hold his #2 spot with all of these beatdowns :confused:


Well that's the beauty of the ranking system. Even if Federer wins the tournament, Nadal will have gained on him! Because..... he did better than last year.

BlakeJamitis
01-24-2008, 03:53 PM
I can't say it enough, "I love me some Tsonga"!!!

Bad Religion
01-24-2008, 03:57 PM
I never had faith in Rafa during this Aus Open . He was not playing better than in the US Open , Madrid , Paris or Chennai and this is the proof

Congrats to the boy from Congo :hatoff: . Clearly Tsonga is not french

Albop
01-24-2008, 03:59 PM
There's nothing that the raging bull could do today ;)

anousleshommes@h
01-24-2008, 03:59 PM
Could this be the end of the Tsongtanic?

Will anousleshommes's infatuation survive the collision?

"I'll never let go, Jo...."

:singer:

Fore....hand....nobody can stand...and I know that your run will go on....

Typical english pragmatism... wish ill on others...

MatchFederer
01-24-2008, 04:00 PM
Cry me a fucking river

:lol:

Blaze is getting some shit today...

Albop
01-24-2008, 04:01 PM
I never had faith in Rafa during this Aus Open . He was not playing better than in the US Open , Madrid , Paris or Chennai and this is the proof

Congrats to the boy from Congo :hatoff: . Clearly Tsonga is not french

like your signature:

"With Federer,Djokovic,Tsonga,Gonzalez,Youznhy,Berdych and a lot more , I'll Never Win a Non-clay GS "

....A spanish CLOWN called rafa ;)

Bad Religion
01-24-2008, 04:03 PM
like your signature:

"With Federer,Djokovic,Tsonga,Gonzalez,Youznhy,Berdych and a lot more , I'll Never Win a Non-clay GS "

....A spanish CLOWN called rafa ;)

Says the clown who worships the chilean shame Gonzalez

Albop
01-24-2008, 04:04 PM
Nobody says nothing about gonzo ;)

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 04:08 PM
Could this be the end of the Tsongtanic?

Will anousleshommes's infatuation survive the collision?

"I'll never let go, Jo...."

:singer:

Fore....hand....nobody can stand...and I know that your run will go on....

May the best man win :D

lilimi80
01-24-2008, 04:09 PM
i'm still :speakles:
wonderful match from tsonga!
i hope we'll have a great final!

MatchFederer
01-24-2008, 04:12 PM
Typical english pragmatism... wish ill on others...

typical scottish antagonism. :D

(I am posting crap today, as always)

Dimonator133
01-24-2008, 04:13 PM
Tsonga-Nadal match recap below:



http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/19221/2637129720077182109S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2637129720077182109cbfmmn)

WhataQT
01-24-2008, 04:25 PM
Sublime Tsonga revels in 'ridiculous' victory
By Ed Osmond

MELBOURNE, Jan 24 (Reuters) - Unseeded Frenchman Jo-Wilfried Tsonga described his astonishing straight-sets demolition of second seed Rafael Nadal in the Australian Open semi-finals on Thursday as "ridiculous".
The muscular Tsonga blasted the Spaniard off court 6-2 6-3 6-2 with a dazzling array of shots on Rod Laver Arena to secure the biggest victory of his career.

"It was ridiculous," Tsonga told reporters. "For me it's a big dream. It's just amazing. I played unbelievable tonight."

The 22-year-old Tsonga, playing only his fifth grand slam tournament, has been plagued by a succession of back and shoulder injuries during his career and has never won a tour title.

He knocked out seeds Andy Murray, Richard Gasquet and Mikhail Youzhny on the way to the last four but he raised his game another notch to overwhelm in-form Nadal.

"Rafael plays the same tennis all the time," Tsonga said. "His level is very high and it's very difficult to play against him. But I was just concentrating on my own game. I was moving on the court like never I move, so everything was perfect." Tsonga will play world number one Roger Federer or third seed Novak Djokovic in Sunday's final.

"I will do my best on the court, so I know it's going to be difficult to beat me," he said.

(Editing by Ossian Shine)

Exodus
01-24-2008, 04:25 PM
Yeah like Baggy (2006), Johansson (2002) and Safin (2005).

safin isn't a fluke he have been in the finals three times :o

ReturnWinner
01-24-2008, 04:27 PM
safin isn't a fluke he have been in the finals three times :o

true

Duncan
01-24-2008, 04:30 PM
Amazing. I half expected this though. Tsonga has been getting better and better over the past fortnight but i feel that his next match will be one too far for him though i do hope i am wrong.


Tsonga is here to stay if he stays healthy.

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 04:31 PM
safin isn't a fluke he have been in the finals three times :o

I never said he was a fluke. I said that AO finalist got a very bad year for the rest of the year. Baggy and Johansson were surprises.

l_mac
01-24-2008, 04:33 PM
I can't go through the whole thread, not enough time and I don't have the stomach for it :lol:

Tsonga played superbly. He served exceptionally well and some of his volleying was amazing. :worship:

:hug: for Nadal, even though he doesn't deserve it.

tennizen
01-24-2008, 04:36 PM
I enjoyed Tsonga's post match interview a lot. Guess that's about the only thing that made me happy today. Oh and the piggy roasting thread and the Nadal is over thread and so on.

JediFed
01-24-2008, 04:44 PM
Damn!

He did even better then a triple bagel.

I was just trying to be funny saying he'd win 6-3 6-3 6-3, but I guess Tsonga took it seriously!

:worship::worship:

ghstwrld
01-24-2008, 04:47 PM
That was unreal. Tsonga played as if the rent was due tomorrow.

Was this better than the thrashing Roddick received from Federer last year? I think so.

Sagacious
01-24-2008, 04:49 PM
I can't go through the whole thread, not enough time and I don't have the stomach for it :lol:

Tsonga played superbly. He served exceptionally well and some of his volleying was amazing. :worship:

:hug: for Nadal, even though he doesn't deserve it.

That's the spirit :p

cc2monac
01-24-2008, 04:50 PM
poor rafa! next year you'll play the final! hope tsonga will be "destroy" in the final!

Exodus
01-24-2008, 04:51 PM
poor rafa! next year you'll play the final! hope tsonga will be "destroy" in the final!

next year hopefully he will meet a decent player before round 3 and gets destroyed

Rogieva
01-24-2008, 04:52 PM
Joe :worship:

Just blew Nadal off the court. A star in the making! :yeah:

groundstroke
01-24-2008, 04:53 PM
Based on that performance, Nadal looked like he was rank 100, Tsonga rank 1/2.

Sagacious
01-24-2008, 04:53 PM
Any youtube highlights ?

Baghdatis72
01-24-2008, 04:58 PM
Joe :worship:

Just blew Nadal off the court. A star in the making! :yeah:

We will see how well he handles the nerves in the final. That's the difference between being there and almost there. Even if he loses in a long hard fought match without choking then he has a shot of becoming somone great. He seems really tough and relaxed though and that's very very important in big matches.

jasmin
01-24-2008, 04:59 PM
Good for Tsonga. He's really playing up to his potential.

WhataQT
01-24-2008, 05:29 PM
Stunned Nadal lost for ideas
By Ossian Shine

MELBOURNE, Jan 24 (Reuters) - Rafael Nadal was not quite lost for words following his thrashing in the Australian Open semi-finals -- but he was lost for ideas.

The world number two was hammered into submission 6-2 6-3 6-2 by muscular Frenchman Jo-Wilfried Tsonga on Thursday and was left stunned by the defeat.
"We have to accept today he played unbelievable. Playing the ball very hard every time, serving unbelievable," the Spaniard shrugged.

"In the backhand he didn't miss not one. Forehand, every time he does the forehand was a winner, so congratulate him.

"That's it."
Nadal had thought he was playing well enough to win the tournament.

That was before he ran into man-mountain Tsonga, the unseeded world number 38.

"I was playing very fine, very good, but not for beating Tsonga tonight," Nadal said, shaking his head.

"Right now he is in the best moment of his career. He's playing with zero pressure.

"Everything is going good for him. So when you are playing like this, every ball is going to the line.

"Every ball is going inside. Is not the real level I think. Is not his real level. Sure, he can play like this, but not every week. It's impossible.

"Running unbelievable, physically very explosive, everything. What I can say? Nothing bad about his game tonight. I have to find something. I gonna think all night."

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-7252299,00.html

Johnny Groove
01-24-2008, 05:34 PM
next up is nadal losing his titles during clay season and next season he will probably burn his body out just like kuerten

yep, Nadal's hard court losses certainly indicate his lack of clay prowess.

Like in 06 and 07 when he lost all those matches on clay

cardio
01-24-2008, 06:24 PM
here is moment when Tsonga argues with umpire on breakpoint and still is able to hold the game with aces.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mFxXmNeea9s

gogogirl
01-24-2008, 06:25 PM
Hey All,

First off - good on Jo not to have celebrated in your face to Rafa. He calmly walked to the net to shake hands.

I taped the match. I woke up a couple of hours later or so to use the bathroom, turned on the TV in my bedroom to check out the score and saw that it was 6-2-3-2. I was like:eek:. Then, I turned it off. Upon awakening to get ready for work, I watched the last set only from 1-1, I think it was. Needless to say, I was hella hella impressed.

I picked Tsonga to win also. It reminded me of the fight where Cassius Clay beat Sonny Liston - indeed. T-Man was playing sublime tennis. I mentioned yesterday that he probably would bring his A game. He couldn't have picked a better time to bring it on.

We can only imagine how well he'll do in the final against either semifinalist, but I do believe, he'll still go for his shots and play his game, no matter if he executes as well as he has up to this point or not. The main thing is, he believes.

Too much!

tennisgal_001
01-24-2008, 06:31 PM
here is moment when Tsonga argues with umpire on breakpoint and still is able to hold the game with aces.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mFxXmNeea9s

That was a really bad decision by Garner to make them replay the point instead of giving Tsonga the point and going back to deuce.

rofe
01-24-2008, 06:33 PM
Tsonga/Nadal highlights.... ;)

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=uiEQe9NgArc

stebs
01-24-2008, 06:34 PM
Like in 06 and 07 when he lost all those matches on clay

Nadal haters were really loving that, I especially liked those losses at RG that he had to deal with, really destroyed him. :p

On to the match. Nadal + Power Hitter on Form + Hardcourt = No more Rafa. It has been as simple as that for a long time. You will always get people like adee who overestimate his ability on a hardcourt and attribute it to him playing badly. He played a fine week of tennis and no it wasn't him at his best but he wasn't below average either. The only weakness today was his passing shots which were unexpectedly poor. Tsonga just played a huge 6 matches and destroyed some great opponents. Unlike Gonzalez who had the BH as a clear weakness to exploit for Federer last year he or Djokovic may be in for a tougher time with Tsonga. He really has been remniscient of Safin these last weeks, not in his technique, but in his strengths. Big BH down the line, very easy power off both wings, big serving. He was always a decent matchup for Nadal but I am shocked at how well he played and how easily he dispatched Nadal. Biggest moment was his serving at *0-1 in the third set. Three BP's, Tsonga saved two with big serves and then more big serves at deuce to hold.

ExpectedWinner
01-24-2008, 06:37 PM
Congrats to Nadal for getting 500 free points at this tournament. They will come in handy.

David Kenzie
01-24-2008, 06:41 PM
That was a really bad decision by Garner to make them replay the point instead of giving Tsonga the point and going back to deuce.

Exactly. It's shocking to make this kind of mistake at this level.

David Kenzie
01-24-2008, 06:42 PM
Does anyone have a video link of the on-court interview with Courier ?

l_mac
01-24-2008, 06:43 PM
On to the match. Nadal + Power Hitter on Form + Hardcourt = No more Rafa. It has been as simple as that for a long time. You will always get people like adee who overestimate his ability on a hardcourt and attribute it to him playing badly. He played a fine week of tennis and no it wasn't him at his best but he wasn't below average either. The only weakness today was his passing shots which were unexpectedly poor. Tsonga just played a huge 6 matches and destroyed some great opponents. Unlike Gonzalez who had the BH as a clear weakness to exploit for Federer last year he or Djokovic may be in for a tougher time with Tsonga. He really has been remniscient of Safin these last weeks, not in his technique, but in his strengths. Big BH down the line, very easy power off both wings, big serving. He was always a decent matchup for Nadal but I am shocked at how well he played and how easily he dispatched Nadal. Biggest moment was his serving at *0-1 in the third set. Three BP's, Tsonga saved two with big serves and then more big serves at deuce to hold.


Yeah, Tsonga made him look like an idiot when he got to net. I still think Rafa could have served smarter, but outside of that there isn't much else he could have done. Tsonga himself said that he has never played better and, while I am not so stupid as to fail to understand that Nadal's style of play helped Tsonga to look really amazing, maybe the haters could remember that :)

stebs
01-24-2008, 06:51 PM
Yeah, Tsonga made him look like an idiot when he got to net. I still think Rafa could have served smarter, but outside of that there isn't much else he could have done. Tsonga himself said that he has never played better and, while I am not so stupid as to fail to understand that Nadal's style of play helped Tsonga to look really amazing, maybe the haters could remember that :)

Nadal's style always makes his opponents look good even when the Spainard wins. He gives players high balls in hit zones, of course it makes them look good. Obviously that is evn more evident against a big hitter who is tall and pwerful like Tsonga. What struck me was not the power but the ease at which the power was created.

Skyward
01-24-2008, 06:53 PM
Unfortunately I'm at work.... but I consider taking my clothes off anyway :spit:




:haha: Pics?????

Black Adam
01-24-2008, 06:53 PM
Why do you all think he will crumble in the final???
Anyways I find it funny that all the newspaper articles are refering to Tsonga as Muscular. Like Nadal isn't :rolleyes: Very soon it will be a Williams situation where losers complain he is genetically granted a strong physique and that's the only reason he is winning (just wait and see).

goldenlox
01-24-2008, 07:02 PM
I thought Nadal was playing really well in the 2nd set. In the 34 game, Tsonga hit 2 dropshot volleys that were unbelievable.
But Nadal is not a great hardcourt player. His serve isn't a weapon, and way too much topspin for hardcourt.
I think the final will look very different, but Tsonga looks better than the last 2 finalists in Melbourne.

victory1
01-24-2008, 07:16 PM
Why do you all think he will crumble in the final???
Anyways I find it funny that all the newspaper articles are refering to Tsonga as Muscular. Like Nadal isn't :rolleyes: Very soon it will be a Williams situation where losers complain he is genetically granted a strong physique and that's the only reason he is winning (just wait and see).


I noticed that too. It's very disturbing!:rolleyes:

ReturnWinner
01-24-2008, 07:21 PM
Very soon it will be a Williams situation where losers complain he is genetically granted a strong physique and that's the only reason he is winning (just wait and see).

that will not happen because Tsonga is really pretty talented and he has not a big physical difference as Williamas sisters have with the rest of wta players

DDrago2
01-24-2008, 07:23 PM
Safins talent was also by great deal physical but no one was "complaining". It's different in WTA, in mens tennis strength is completely a part of the game

victory1
01-24-2008, 07:25 PM
that will not happen because Tsonga is really pretty talented and he has not a big physical difference as Williamas sisters have with the rest of wta players

See that's not true, how is Venus physic different from Sharapova, Davenport, Mauresmo, etc. The media has you thinking differently and maybe you too bias to see it's an injustice!;)

ReturnWinner
01-24-2008, 07:30 PM
See that's not true, how is Venus physic different from Sharapova, Davenport, Mauresmo, etc. The media has you thinking differently and maybe you too bias to see it's an injustice!;)

well i mean most wta players, not everyone of course and its not not like they are comepletely useless playing tennis

R.Federer
01-24-2008, 07:34 PM
avatarworthy

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/01/24/jowilfredtsonga_narrowweb__300x426,0.jpg

R.Federer
01-24-2008, 07:39 PM
Don't forget, Ali's original name was Cassius CLAY. ;)

He got the clay guy alright.

Tommy fan
01-24-2008, 07:58 PM
Wow.
Well done Jo!!!! :eek:

fenomeno2111
01-24-2008, 08:05 PM
WOW...amazing performance by Tsonga, OK Rafa performance but he definitely looked like a clown out there but I mean Tsonga was playing in God-like mode, if he plays like this against Fed or Djoko he could win it but who knows if he'll be able to repeat such a performance...Hopefully he can do it and take that big trophy home!

Congrats Jo!

Blue Heart24
01-24-2008, 08:09 PM
Tsonga!!:eek: :worship:

richie21
01-24-2008, 08:10 PM
have some respect for nadal
for the past 3+ years he has been no2 undeniably, and the only one who manages to win a few against federer
no one ever said he has the complete game
but tooo many talents players never come even half way to reaching their potential
gasquet was expected to be the france nominee to a champion, but he clearly lacks the aptitude and mentality to be a champion. Murray is still some ways far,
novak is making the grade GS after another
hope Tsonga doesnt disappear after the AO regardless of what happens in final
so many people love to hate Nadal, but at least he is doing the best with what he has, hope other start to do anywhere near that
a lot of fuzz generated for a semis aussie kid Bernard Tomic, german born, of croatia parents.
can he make the grade up, the next few years will show. Psychically more like hewitt not a real power generator

Don't forget that despite his greater experience, Gasquet is 2 years younger than Tsonga.......i still wouldn't burry him if i were you,especially if Tsonga wins this AO(it will no doubt fire up Gasquet to see his best friend on the tour win a GS before him)

Allez
01-24-2008, 08:11 PM
How can you not LOVE Tsonga ? I'm shell shocked. Awesome performance. I've backed him against all his opponents thus far but even I couldn't have predicted the manner in which he simply took Nadal apart out there. The final is going to be HUGE whoever comes through the top half (increasingly looking like Djokovic). Djokovic's confidence would be shattered were he to lose to Tsonga on Sunday. This Tsonga rocks real bad. :eek::eek::eek::worship::worship::worship:

DrJules
01-24-2008, 08:13 PM
Don't forget that despite his greater experience, Gasquet is 2 years younger than Tsonga.......i still wouldn't burry him if i were you,especially if Tsonga wins this AO(it will no doubt fire up Gasquet to see his best friend on the tour win a GS before him)

Gasquet could certainly benefit from improving his physical condition to that of Tsonga and learn to attack more on court.

anousleshommes@h
01-24-2008, 08:14 PM
Nadal's style always makes his opponents look good even when the Spainard wins. He gives players high balls in hit zones, of course it makes them look good. Obviously that is evn more evident against a big hitter who is tall and pwerful like Tsonga. What struck me was not the power but the ease at which the power was created.

Watch the youznhy match. As soon as a ball hit his racket, it wud pick up crazy mph, like the ball had jst been given roid injections lol

DrJules
01-24-2008, 08:15 PM
How can you not LOVE Tsonga ? I'm shell shocked. Awesome performance. I've backed him against all his opponents thus far but even I couldn't have predicted the manner in which he simply took Nadal apart out there. The final is going to be HUGE whoever comes through the top half (increasingly looking like Djokovic). Djokovic's confidence would be shattered were he to lose to Tsonga on Sunday. This Tsonga rocks real bad. :eek::eek::eek::worship::worship::worship:

It would be brilliant if he could win, but consider the experience of the other 2 players too much of an obstacle.

richie21
01-24-2008, 08:20 PM
why? tsonga wasn't hot going into the tournament, murray made him hot. a nadal/murray-mix is the perfect hitting partner for tsonga's style of play.

Well,he made the 1/2 final at Adelaide trashing Hewitt 6-3 6-2 and he won the double title with Gasquet at Sydney against the Bryan brothers.......so i would say he was a bit hot :cool:

Allez
01-24-2008, 08:26 PM
It would be brilliant if he could win, but consider the experience of the other 2 players too much of an obstacle.

So far he has shown zero respect for his opponents and I expect that to continue into the final especially if his opponent is Djokovic. He has nothing to lose and is much stronger than Baggy was when he reached the final and fresher than Gonzo was last year. He can withstand the Djokovic onslaught. Federer may be a little different, but I don't expect him to come through tomorrow and if he does it will be after a 5 sets marathon which would even things up come Sunday. I expect the final to be a close affair. This is exciting and I hope Tsonga doesn't fade away like his two Aussie finalist predecessors.

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 08:31 PM
Don't forget that despite his greater experience, Gasquet is 2 years younger than Tsonga.......i still wouldn't burry him if i were you,especially if Tsonga wins this AO(it will no doubt fire up Gasquet to see his best friend on the tour win a GS before him)Sending forehand moonballs from 100 meters behind the baseline = :retard:

I think he's got the talent to do well, but I don't think he's intelligent enough to make radical changes in his perception of the game.

Bremen
01-24-2008, 08:38 PM
I'm really happy Nadal lost...but I don't like Tsonga AT ALL. If only Youhzny was here in the final instead...

oneandonlyhsn
01-24-2008, 08:46 PM
I haven’t posted here since before the AO started, I couldn’t believe the cake walk draw that Nadal had and I believed that he would have gotten far but it would be a detriment to him if and when he faced a powerful player who was in the zone, and true to that lo and behold Tennis’s own incarnation of Muhammad Ali does just that. Rafa’s hard-court tennis is very lacking, and when he feels pressured he doesn’t switch tactics and keeps playing so far behind the baseline, maybe he thinks he is playing volleyball.

Tsonga is a beauty to watch, his power is lethal and yet he has such soft hands at the net. He plays with determination and calm. He is a joy to watch, love his exuberance and presence on court. He is one big boy; whoever he plays in the final I would really love it if he would make it spectacular, allez

Apemant
01-24-2008, 09:03 PM
While it's true that Nadal's high flying topspin created many opportunities for Jo to whack the ball to oblivion (something other powerhitters were able to exploit with similar success) - I must say that Tsonga really surprised me in the mental department. I thought he would fold, because of the occasion if nothing else. So if he doesn't fold in the final either, he has good chances to win the whole thing. Federer has not yet produced a clinic at this AO and perhaps he won't do it at all, and Tsonga playing this good definitely has realistic chances against Nole or sub-godlike Federer.

That being said, a clinic Federer I feel would still be too strong for Tsonga. Killer slices to his backhand would completely negate his power, he'd be forced to hit upwards and you can't really whack the ball with full swing in such cases. Kind of like Gonzo's FH last year final virually disappared from the scene.

Anyway, Jo really looks a worthy champion here, I wouldn't mind one bit if he won the whole thing... except for the fact that rafatards would then gloat the same way as fedtards gloat now. Karma is a bitch, they say.

maxxo
01-24-2008, 09:21 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uiEQe9NgArc

this is how the match went down

tangerine_dream
01-24-2008, 09:26 PM
It's always cool to see tennis on the Featured News section of Yahoo. :)

Metis
01-24-2008, 09:35 PM
Anyway, Jo really looks a worthy champion here, I wouldn't mind one bit if he won the whole thing... except for the fact that rafatards would then gloat the same way as fedtards gloat now. Karma is a bitch, they say.

:lol: very interesting rationale. You'll be surprised to find that Rafatard responses to Federer's losses have never been as hatred-filled as what we've seen when Nadal loses. Even the gloating when he wins cannot match the fawning, worshipping and adoration that the God is showered with ;).You only have to go back and check old threads. For my part I don't have any particular preference among the 3 remaining contenders. I might root for Tsonga just because he is the underdog and a young player that has suffered career-delaying injuries not to mention he has displayed some great stuff. The other two are already successful.

scarecrows
01-24-2008, 09:35 PM
i still cant believe Tsonga hasnt got his own player forum!

there are top 30 players that dont have it, why should he?

Leo
01-24-2008, 09:39 PM
LOLZZZZZ.

Love this result in every way.

Apemant
01-24-2008, 09:53 PM
:lol: very interesting rationale. You'll be surprised to find that Rafatard responses to Federer's losses have never been as hatred-filled as what we've seen when Nadal loses.

You sure about it? When did you see me gloat my ass off after a Nadal's loss? The same way, by 'rafatards' I didn't mean you or cmurray or other decent Rafa fans, I meant more those who don't care for Rafa all that much except that he beat Fed so many times. Surely you know many such people.

Should we browse those threads after Nalbandian first dismissed Nadal in Madrid, and then dealt with Federer as well? Granted, there are probably more fedtards than rafatards around, so let's say I agree with you actually. Its like saying that there are far more fools in the USA than in Greece. Of course, more people = more fools among them. :devil:

l_mac
01-24-2008, 09:56 PM
You sure about it?



She's sure :)

Metis
01-24-2008, 10:05 PM
You sure about it? When did you see me gloat my ass off after a Nadal's loss? The same way, by 'rafatards' I didn't mean you or cmurray or other decent Rafa fans, I meant more those who don't care for Rafa all that much except that he beat Fed so many times. Surely you know many such people.

Should we browse those threads after Nalbandian first dismissed Nadal in Madrid, and then dealt with Federer as well? Granted, there are probably more fedtards than rafatards around, so let's say I agree with you actually. Its like saying that there are far more fools in the USA than in Greece. Of course, more people = more fools among them. :devil:


Well I guess we'll have to disagree on that. It's not only the higher number of Fedtards on MTF; the hatred and offensive name-calling are at a completely different level too. As for the threads about Federer's losses, a lot of the extreme responses came from people that are not Nadal fans at all.

Apemant
01-24-2008, 10:07 PM
She's sure :)

Well, I can understand it. Like I said someplace else, before I started reading MTF, I handled Federer's losses quite well. I was like - oh well, he lost. So what, he's human. So, I'm quite positive Rafa fans would also handle his losses FAR easier if it weren't for MTF and its completely obnoxious gloatfests :rolleyes: :banghead:

Least I can do about it is not to add more salt to your wounds. Here :hug:

Apemant
01-24-2008, 10:10 PM
As for the threads about Federer's losses, a lot of the extreme responses came from people that are not Nadal fans at all.

That I admit. What can I say? :shrug: I don't like the hating. Never did. But it seems it's getting worse by the day.

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 10:10 PM
Well I guess we'll have to disagree on that. It's not only the higher number of Fedtards on MTF; the hatred and offensive name-calling are at a completely different level too.Cry me a fucking river :spit:

stebs
01-24-2008, 10:11 PM
Well, I can understand it. Like I said someplace else, before I started reading MTF, I handled Federer's losses quite well. I was like - oh well, he lost. So what, he's human. So, I'm quite positive Rafa fans would also handle his losses FAR easier if it weren't for MTF and its completely obnoxious gloatfests :rolleyes: :banghead:

Least I can do about it is not to add more salt to your wounds. Here :hug:

Gloatfests are the best part of seeing your favourites lose. You realise it matters far more to the people who aren't fans than to those who are. I think maybe it is different for me though, I never really mind about seeing a favourite lose, tennis is a game, losses are nevitable.

Marek.
01-24-2008, 10:13 PM
I completely underestimated Tsonga before the AO. He has my complete respect now. :worship:

l_mac
01-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Well, I can understand it. Like I said someplace else, before I started reading MTF, I handled Federer's losses quite well. I was like - oh well, he lost. So what, he's human. So, I'm quite positive Rafa fans would also handle his losses FAR easier if it weren't for MTF and its completely obnoxious gloatfests :rolleyes: :banghead:

Least I can do about it is not to add more salt to your wounds. Here :hug:

I think Rafa's fans on MTF have handled this loss pretty well :shrug:

Rogiman :hug: We can always count on you.

LisaKoh
01-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Well schadenfreude is a very popular emotion and Rafa does tend to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Then again, a lot of people don't like Roger either so they take their pleasures where they can get it. Personally, at the end of the day it's two guys hitting a ball over the net at each other and if people want to get too worked up over that then they seriously need to get some perspective.

Shit happens, people lose, haters exist but I wouldn't get too aggravated about it. It's just sport, after all. I wouldn't use player preference as a pretext to hate anyone unless that person was bordering on deranged.

Metis
01-24-2008, 10:17 PM
She's sure :)

:lol:

Cry me a fucking river :spit:

Thank you for proving my point several times today :kiss:

Apemant
01-24-2008, 10:19 PM
Gloatfests are the best part of seeing your favourites lose. You realise it matters far more to the people who aren't fans than to those who are. I think maybe it is different for me though, I never really mind about seeing a favourite lose, tennis is a game, losses are nevitable.

Possibly. I guess I'm just overly sensitive and perhaps also project it on other people as well. And then again, perhaps other people are also more sensitive than they are willing to admit openly. It's hard to tell with the way language works these days. Sometimes I have a feeling words are more useful for spreading lies than to actually communicate ideas...

Lucinda
01-24-2008, 10:28 PM
Well, poop. At least Rafa gained points instead of losing them :) I'm just worried that Tsonga will be another Gonzo in the final.

Raquel
01-24-2008, 10:32 PM
Well done to Tsonga :yeah: He played a perfect match and seemed totally nerveless.

I kept expecting Rafael to just cling on enough in the second or third sets to turn it around but Tsonga didn't let him.

Yappa
01-24-2008, 10:35 PM
Quick question: when is the final supposed to start? Is it 7:30 pm (local time)? I don't remember last year.

Metis
01-24-2008, 10:38 PM
That's correct Four:Love.

Yappa
01-24-2008, 10:40 PM
Thanks, Metis. :) Just wanted to make sure that the France 3 coverage is live and not tape delayed.

wally1
01-24-2008, 10:46 PM
Almost old fashioned tennis from Tsonga. Flat shot, attack the net, and liberal use of the drop volley. Great to watch.

Marek.
01-24-2008, 10:53 PM
^ I agree. I don't want to bandwagon, but I really do enjoy watching Tsonga, he has a great all court game.

Deivid23
01-24-2008, 10:55 PM
Surprise surprise. :p

Not even a small surprise to me sorry :p

khyber
01-24-2008, 11:03 PM
Just watched my recording of the match and boy did I enjoy the hell out of that! Great fun. Is there anywhere on line I can see the Jim Courier after match interview? Or at least read the transcripts? Thanks

dylan24
01-24-2008, 11:31 PM
stupid pig wtf was that
wanted to see federer **** pig in final
not tsonga ****** pig in SF

Corey Feldman
01-24-2008, 11:34 PM
Tsonga-Nadal match recap below:



http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/19221/2637129720077182109S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2637129720077182109cbfmmn)
:lol: brilliant

Experimentee
01-24-2008, 11:35 PM
Amazing performance :worship:

I am not really surprised considering how he played against Youznhy, but its a question of whether he would hold his nerve and he did.

When Tsonga is on he is the perfect player. Big serve, powerful groundstrokes, good net play, great touch, good point construction and court positioning, does not choke. He will surely be top 5 if he keeps up this good form and stays healthy.

Eden
01-24-2008, 11:36 PM
Is there anywhere on line I can see the Jim Courier after match interview? Or at least read the transcripts? Thanks

Have a look here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZV6GgY8fzZE

Clara Bow
01-24-2008, 11:51 PM
Have a look here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZV6GgY8fzZE

Thanks! Wow- I think he looks really cute and handsome in that interview.

ChrisDoesDallas
01-25-2008, 12:08 AM
I remember last year at this event when he lost to Roddick he didn't even have a wikipedia page and was a bit pudgy. Total mental case for the rest of the year too. His movement and backhand have improved drastically too.

Now he has three top 10 wins at a grand slam plus a great win over Youzhny too...very impressive stuff. I only watched the first two sets of the semifinal but I loved how cocky and arrogant Tsonga was during the entire match. He knows he's the shit. At least for this event. :lol:

I love French players. :hearts: Hope he wins the title.

---

All that said, Federer will have his way with Tsonga in the final. Fed eats players like Tsonga for breakfast.

Corey Feldman
01-25-2008, 12:13 AM
He will no longer be remembered for blowing that Set & break lead Vs A-Rod last year... and being one of the many in line who would be verbally abused by him with that famous "F'en P%£!*" scream ;)

megadeth
01-25-2008, 12:15 AM
to the losers who were dissing me before:

what did i tell you? i predicted that the winner between tsonga and youzhny will take out nadal... ha! :p

although i think tsonga will just pull a baghdatis - reach the final and let the nerves get the better of him...

RagingLamb
01-25-2008, 12:26 AM
to the losers who were dissing me before:

what did i tell you? i predicted that the winner between tsonga and youzhny will take out nadal... ha! :p

although i think tsonga will just pull a baghdatis - reach the final and let the nerves get the better of him...

I agree. Especially against a guy like Roger, he' not going to get away with all the shots he got away with against Nadal. And he'll have a lot more variety to deal with.

Experimentee
01-25-2008, 12:33 AM
Nadal may not have played all that badly for him - although he did miss a number of sitters here and there. Smash into the net. Pass going long. Reflex volley sent way wide.

He did, however, play bad hardcourt tennis.

He continues to play bad hardcourt tennis.

I dont understand how people can continue to say Nadal played badly whenever he loses.

Nadal did not play badly, its his normal game. He only made 4 UEs in the first two sets, and the AO stats are usually very liberal on what they count is an UE. The UEs Nadal made at the end were due to panic at the way Tsonga was playing, and the immense pressure Tsonga was putting him under.

Just accept that the opponent was just too good on the day.

Experimentee
01-25-2008, 12:37 AM
tsonga played very well, nadal hit 13 winners in 25 games if a top woman did that she get called pathetic, and thats what nadal was today pathetic, short shots, total defense, no imagination, no flare and didn't try to realy attack even when he was losing. tsonga played the attacking tennis you need to against nadal.

i think tsonga has done realy well reaching the final but hes had it his own way hes played 4 very good/decent players trouble is that all 4 (murray, gasguet, youzhny and nadal) play a defensive style of tennis. none of them are anywhere as near as attacking as tsonga thus playing into his hands, all 4 players have said here have a go and to tsongas credit hes gone for it and made it. it will be an intresting final if he plays federer because he isn't gonna spend the match defending or 10 feet behind the baseline, how will tsonga cope with someone coming at him?

Youznhy doesn't play defensive tennis and he still was beaten in straight sets.

Merton
01-25-2008, 12:50 AM
Outstanding performance by Tsonga, now he has realistic chances if he faces Djokovic in the final and some chances if he faces Federer. :hatoff:

Kuhne
01-25-2008, 01:04 AM
I just don't see Tsonga beating Roger, Roger has more variety and better shots, which will drive Tsonga to rely on his one thing that he can rely on. his flat destructive forehand, which just happens to be federer's favorite style to play (think blake)

If Djoko beats Roger, then Tsonga is our new champ but if Roger beats djoko. 13 slams baby

Kuhne
01-25-2008, 01:06 AM
Nadal fands kind of get a bit confused when rafa loses like this, it's because of this whole illusion that Rafa is great on hardcourts. if this match had been on clay, rafa would have owned Tsonga (maybe not that easily) because he can get to anything but Rafa tries to impose his clay court style on hardcourts and while it works sometimes because he is so, so, so good at what he does, it can sometimes allow ownages like this one

l_mac
01-25-2008, 01:13 AM
Nadal fands kind of get a bit confused when rafa loses like this, it's because of this whole illusion that Rafa is great on hardcourts. if this match had been on clay, rafa would have owned Tsonga (maybe not that easily) because he can get to anything but Rafa tries to impose his clay court style on hardcourts and while it works sometimes because he is so, so, so good at what he does, it can sometimes allow ownages like this one

Point me toward these confused Nadal fans please. I shall ask them to come immediately to the Rafa forum and we will sort them out there :)

Corey Feldman
01-25-2008, 01:20 AM
They just show the match over and over again on BBCi all day

its fantastic :D

all i hear over my shoulder all night is 'what a winner!' 'Oh wow' 'oh c'mon!' 'Bamoss :('

:lol:

Greenday
01-25-2008, 01:21 AM
tht was jus unbelievable tennis.....I really want to see Fed play against Tsonga in finals.....I want to know if fed is capable of stopping some one playing out of their mind as Tsonga is at the moment...he did it in past, but tsongs looks like a whole different beast to me......But I am not too sure if fed can get through djoker in the semis...

l_mac
01-25-2008, 01:23 AM
They just show the match over and over again on BBCi all day

its fantastic :D

all i hear over my shoulder all night is 'what a winner!' 'Oh wow' 'oh c'mon!' 'Bamoss :('

:lol:


Mikey :mad:

khyber
01-25-2008, 01:39 AM
Have a look here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZV6GgY8fzZEYes, thanks for finding the link.

clever1980
01-25-2008, 01:50 AM
Nadal's style always makes his opponents look good even when the Spainard wins. He gives players high balls in hit zones, of course it makes them look good. Obviously that is evn more evident against a big hitter who is tall and pwerful like Tsonga. What struck me was not the power but the ease at which the power was created.

That is exactly what I thought when I saw the match. Tsonga did not even need to bend or stretch much to hit Nadal's high balls. No doubt, Tsonga played well, but I still think had Nadal played with more varieties, he could have had a chance. I can't wait to see if Federer (or Djoker, though I doubt Djoker has that many weapons) could bring out their techniques against Tsonga.

yonexforever
01-25-2008, 02:00 AM
What else is left to say.. i even like how he didnt rub it in Nadals face by waiting until AFTER the handshake to celebrate.

Corey Feldman
01-25-2008, 02:24 AM
What else is left to say.. i even like how he didnt rub it in Nadals face by waiting until AFTER the handshake to celebrate.It was as if he was in shock

helgagonzalez
01-25-2008, 02:32 AM
to the losers who were dissing me before:

what did i tell you? i predicted that the winner between tsonga and youzhny will take out nadal... ha! :p

although i think tsonga will just pull a baghdatis - reach the final and let the nerves get the better of him...

Duhhhhh! You always predict that Nadal will lose or that his next opponent will take him out. One right guess out of your so many predictions is not something you should be proud of.

So stop gloating! :retard:

Patman
01-25-2008, 02:44 AM
Looks like Tsonga doesn't have any trouble against Nadal's spin/high bounce. Maybe everyone just needs to adjust to it.

anousleshommes@h
01-25-2008, 03:13 AM
Looks like Tsonga doesn't have any trouble against Nadal's spin/high bounce. Maybe everyone just needs to adjust to it.

Actually he did have trouble with it, and netted to backhand down the line - that is when he allowed Nadal to play them moonballs. Other than that, Nadal was never really given the chance to generate that much spin on the ball since he either, always on the run, or overpowered. Gr8 job by Tsonga.

Kip
01-25-2008, 03:58 AM
I knew he was good, but I was so very impressed! Amazing! :)

Kuhne
01-25-2008, 04:01 AM
Point me toward these confused Nadal fans please. I shall ask them to come immediately to the Rafa forum and we will sort them out there :)

I of course don't mean the cool Rafa fans like you :P

It's just that whenever I think Rafa fan the first person that comes to mind is RAFA = FK

Clara Bow
01-25-2008, 04:41 AM
I of course don't mean the cool Rafa fans like you :P

It's just that whenever I think Rafa fan the first person that comes to mind is RAFA = FK

There are a good number of rational Rafa fans here (cmurray, lmac, tenniszen, ClayBuzza and many others) who unfortunately get get drowned out by some a coupla loud ones

megadeth
01-25-2008, 05:20 AM
Duhhhhh! You always predict that Nadal will lose or that his next opponent will take him out. One right guess out of your so many predictions is not something you should be proud of.

So stop gloating! :retard:

that's not true. a lot of time i chose nadal over guys like roddick, safin, and djokovic last year... i just knew that this time he will get pwned in this round :p

Allure
01-25-2008, 05:23 AM
Megadeth, what's your prediction on Roger? ;)

megadeth
01-25-2008, 05:35 AM
he's gonna go all the way :) but he's gonna be taken to a total of 9 sets in those 2 matches... ;)

Allure
01-25-2008, 05:37 AM
he's gonna go all the way :) but he's gonna be taken to a total of 9 sets in those 2 matches... ;)

You really think Roger can beat Djokovic with his shaky fh right now? Currently, Djokovic's groundstrokes are more solid.

megadeth
01-25-2008, 06:53 AM
i've got a gut feel that says he'll turn it on later... ;)

Action Jackson
01-25-2008, 07:09 AM
There are a good number of rational Rafa fans here (cmurray, lmac, tenniszen, ClayBuzza and many others) who unfortunately get get drowned out by some a coupla loud ones

Sane Nadal fans, hahahahaha, there are about 3 of those.

This was a classic beatdown and Rafa handled the defeat well, he didn't play badly, he just got slapped around.

l_mac
01-25-2008, 09:08 AM
Sane Nadal fans, hahahahaha, there are about 3 of those.



Who are the other two?

yomike
01-25-2008, 11:38 AM
Well done Tsonga. And only 5th GS:worship:. Somehow I really feel bad for Davydenko.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
01-25-2008, 01:44 PM
I was laughing during this match,Jo is just too good esp his volley! ;)
Win the title,Jo! :kiss:

l_mac
01-26-2008, 12:41 AM
While it's true that Nadal's high flying topspin created many opportunities for Jo to whack the ball to oblivion (something other powerhitters were able to exploit with similar success) - I must say that Tsonga really surprised me in the mental department. I thought he would fold, because of the occasion if nothing else. So if he doesn't fold in the final either, he has good chances to win the whole thing. Federer has not yet produced a clinic at this AO and perhaps he won't do it at all, and Tsonga playing this good definitely has realistic chances against Nole or sub-godlike Federer.

That being said, a clinic Federer I feel would still be too strong for Tsonga. Killer slices to his backhand would completely negate his power, he'd be forced to hit upwards and you can't really whack the ball with full swing in such cases. Kind of like Gonzo's FH last year final virually disappared from the scene.

Anyway, Jo really looks a worthy champion here, I wouldn't mind one bit if he won the whole thing... except for the fact that rafatards would then gloat the same way as fedtards gloat now. Karma is a bitch, they say.

:lol: very interesting rationale. You'll be surprised to find that Rafatard responses to Federer's losses have never been as hatred-filled as what we've seen when Nadal loses. Even the gloating when he wins cannot match the fawning, worshipping and adoration that the God is showered with ;).You only have to go back and check old threads. For my part I don't have any particular preference among the 3 remaining contenders. I might root for Tsonga just because he is the underdog and a young player that has suffered career-delaying injuries not to mention he has displayed some great stuff. The other two are already successful.

You sure about it? When did you see me gloat my ass off after a Nadal's loss? The same way, by 'rafatards' I didn't mean you or cmurray or other decent Rafa fans, I meant more those who don't care for Rafa all that much except that he beat Fed so many times. Surely you know many such people.

Should we browse those threads after Nalbandian first dismissed Nadal in Madrid, and then dealt with Federer as well? Granted, there are probably more fedtards than rafatards around, so let's say I agree with you actually. Its like saying that there are far more fools in the USA than in Greece. Of course, more people = more fools among them. :devil:

Well I guess we'll have to disagree on that. It's not only the higher number of Fedtards on MTF; the hatred and offensive name-calling are at a completely different level too. As for the threads about Federer's losses, a lot of the extreme responses came from people that are not Nadal fans at all.

I hope you check this thread again, Apemat :) I think only a moron wouldn't see that there is nowhere near the gleeful outpouring of gloating and hate that there was yesterday.

star
01-26-2008, 12:47 AM
I hope you check this thread again, Apemat :) I think only a moron wouldn't see that there is nowhere near the gleeful outpouring of gloating and hate that there was yesterday.

Well, except hatred of Djokovic. :lol:

l_mac
01-26-2008, 12:51 AM
Well, except hatred of Djokovic. :lol:


:ras: Apemat was specifically talking Fed vs Rafa :angel:

I still don't see the genuine loathing for Nole that there is for Rafa.

If you take me as an example of someone who really doesn't like Nole, I'm hardly in the same league as a Rogiman.

The Pro
01-26-2008, 01:12 AM
I think it's about even. Give it a bit longer and there will be the same anti-Nole brigade that exists for Rafa.

star
01-26-2008, 01:19 AM
:ras: Apemat was specifically talking Fed vs Rafa :angel:

I still don't see the genuine loathing for Nole that there is for Rafa.

If you take me as an example of someone who really doesn't like Nole, I'm hardly in the same league as a Rogiman.


Well, I do have to say that you need some work on your "hater" skills. You are sadly lacking.

I think I agree with you though. The intensity of the hatred isn't as great.

l_mac
01-26-2008, 01:22 AM
Well, I do have to say that you need some work on your "hater" skills. You are sadly lacking.

I think I agree with you though. The intensity of the hatred isn't as great.

Give it time.