The trend continues: First serious hurdle and Nadal stumbles [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

The trend continues: First serious hurdle and Nadal stumbles

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 10:36 AM
Nice draw though, keep beating clowns.

Stensland
01-24-2008, 10:39 AM
Nice draw though, keep beating clowns.

it's not over yet. but you're right to some extent: guys with a game like safin (and tsonga's game resembles with it) plus a little consistency over 3-4 sets can bash balls hard enough to outplay nadal. his spin is exactly what they need, crushing strokes onto nadal's side all the time.

federer's ability to mix up his game with aggressive slice etc. will probably be the perfect "antivenom" to this style of play.

Beforehand
01-24-2008, 10:42 AM
Well, I"m not sure it's a "first hurdle and bye" thing, but I think this goes to show just how detrimental a draw as easy as Nadal's has been can be. I mean, on one hand, he reaches the semifinal fresh, but he's had no real test of his form or had to work for anything, so the first person to really get at him is just literally blowing him off of the court.

adee-gee
01-24-2008, 10:44 AM
I don't disagree :shrug: he was playing shit the whole 2 weeks and now he plays someone who can take advantage and gets battered.

Stensland
01-24-2008, 10:44 AM
who'd have ranked tsonga as a "hurdle" before the tournament anyways? people would've rather said that mathieu or, of course, gasquet would have been dangerous.

leng jai
01-24-2008, 10:44 AM
Nadal = zero attack
Nadal = zero plan B

Clown.

*Ljubica*
01-24-2008, 10:44 AM
Please can we not celebrate until the pig is finally and completely roasted! It may tempt fate too much! Allez Jo :devil:

t0x
01-24-2008, 10:44 AM
Well you can't exactly blame Rafa for the draw he got.

But yeah, the second he comes up against somebody who can hit big with some consistancy, he looks clueless. He really hasn't been able to change tactics at all today... he just continues to defend, which isn't going to work on this court against this opponent.

mickymouse
01-24-2008, 10:45 AM
Finally a French player who can take on Nadal.

scoobs
01-24-2008, 10:46 AM
Nadal just can't impose his game on good opponents on hardcourts.

He plays defensive and gets passed, he plays attacking and misses too much.

It's not going to work.

He needs a big serve then get the first strike in.

He rarely delivers that.

That's why it's not working for him as soon as someone comes along with a bit more to them.

JustmeUK
01-24-2008, 10:46 AM
it wasn't so much hitting through piggy today though there was a lot of that :). it was more piggy being so predictable on his serves :D! I do so love all the serves to the BH side. Tsonga was all over that today and it gave me the most pleasure to see Rafita being whipped. so much for his tards getting all excited about him getting to no 1. with the serve Rafa has, that will never happen. on a hard court he'll run up against someone playing lights out tennis in the slams and he won't hold enough service games to get through those :devil:!

Rafa as no 1? pls :D tell me.. in which alternate reality universe are u living in that u can see that happening :devil:!

Art&Soul
01-24-2008, 10:47 AM
And you the one to jinx piggy to win the title in every of your posts hehe

MyPrecious
01-24-2008, 11:03 AM
Stick a fork in him because he's over ;)

FedFan_2007
01-24-2008, 11:06 AM
Rafa can still get to #1 by Dubai...

Bibberz
01-24-2008, 11:09 AM
I think you're right about the serve. I wish Rafa could somehow conjure that serve he had at last year's Indian Wells....



Nadal just can't impose his game on good opponents on hardcourts.

He plays defensive and gets passed, he plays attacking and misses too much.

It's not going to work.

He needs a big serve then get the first strike in.

He rarely delivers that.

That's why it's not working for him as soon as someone comes along with a bit more to them.

MatchFederer
01-24-2008, 11:09 AM
Good, it means I don't have to hear the OP blabber on about the fact that Nadal WILL win this tournament, which he must have mentioned about 15 times at least over the last 2 weeks. :p

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 11:10 AM
Good, it means I don't have to hear the OP blabber on about the fact that Nadal WILL win this tournament, which he must have mentioned about 15 times at least over the last 2 weeks. :p:devil:

gomeny
01-24-2008, 11:10 AM
I think he doesn't have a second gear on hard-courts like he does on clay. When did Tsonga start playing so mentally well!?

scoobs
01-24-2008, 11:13 AM
On a hardcourt, Nadal's topspin forehand is only a weapon if it lands within 3 inches of the baseline.

Any shorter than that, it's a liability.

FedFan_2007
01-24-2008, 11:13 AM
Rafa should just skip the hard courts and play all clay.

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 11:44 AM
Wake me up when Nadal faces a serious draw and comes through :zzz:

ReturnWinner
01-24-2008, 11:48 AM
I don't disagree :shrug: he was playing shit the whole 2 weeks and now he plays someone who can take advantage and gets battered.
he has been played well during the two weeks, just he got a hell of a cakewalk draw and today he just played against an inspired played...

The Pro
01-24-2008, 12:59 PM
God it's like The Skeleton Key round here with all the hoodoo and voodoo that people are putting on each other's players. :eek:

Tennis is such a superstitious sport, plrobly because of all the luck involved in net cords and line calls. :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
01-24-2008, 01:02 PM
I thought Nadal was gonna win the title Rogiman :retard:

tennisgal_001
01-24-2008, 01:05 PM
God it's like The Skeleton Key round here with all the hoodoo and voodoo that people are putting on each other's players. :eek:

Tennis is such a superstitious sport, plrobly because of all the luck involved in net cords and line calls. :rolleyes:

Lovely, isn't it? :haha:

Langers
01-24-2008, 01:13 PM
I don't disagree :shrug: he was playing shit the whole 2 weeks and now he plays someone who can take advantage and gets battered.
Hahah are you blind or retarded, or both?

adee-gee
01-24-2008, 01:18 PM
Hahah are you blind or retarded, or both?
Which match did he play well in then?

Langers
01-24-2008, 01:20 PM
Which match did he play well in then?
2nd, 3rd (withstood the early onslaught) was owning in the 4th, QF started slowly but last two sets great.

adee-gee
01-24-2008, 01:29 PM
2nd, 3rd (withstood the early onslaught) was owning in the 4th, QF started slowly but last two sets great.

Bilbo's grandma could've beaten Serra, I thought he was pretty poor against Simon and very lucky to get away with it, Mathieu match you can't really judge and Nieminen he was extremely fortunate in the 1st and Nieminen kind of gave up after that.

He had a heavy defeat coming, I expected him to get past Tsonga to be honest but there was no way he was getting close to Federer or Djokovic.

Del_Toro
01-24-2008, 01:39 PM
Rafa was lucky for not facing Tsonga or a player with a similar game in the first three rounds. Very lucky!

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 01:50 PM
Tennis is such a superstitious sport, plrobly because of all the luck involved in net cords and line calls. :rolleyes:Or in draws...? :lol:

I thought Nadal was gonna win the title Rogiman :retard::nerner:

Johnny Groove
01-24-2008, 01:53 PM
Or in draws...? :lol:

:nerner:

I'm sure this is a great day in your life.

May all of us enjoy the simple pleasures of life of having your least fave player lose

bokehlicious
01-24-2008, 02:17 PM
I'm sure this is a great day in your life.

May all of us enjoy the simple pleasures of life of having your least fave player lose

You'll have your day tomorrow with Roger loss... :shrug:

cmurray
01-24-2008, 02:24 PM
You'll have your day tomorrow with Roger loss... :shrug:

:sobbing:

Stop saying that. Roger is NOT going to lose to Djokovic. :(

l_mac
01-24-2008, 04:17 PM
I don't disagree :shrug: he was playing shit the whole 2 weeks and now he plays someone who can take advantage and gets battered.
:lol: Shit is harsh. But he wasn't playing very well, you are right.
Rafa should just skip the hard courts and play all clay.
:yeah:

You'll have your day tomorrow with Roger loss... :shrug:

:sobbing:

Stop saying that. Roger is NOT going to lose to Djokovic. :(

Yes, stop it!

tennizen
01-24-2008, 04:47 PM
The OP deserves a pat on the back for spotting this trend:yeah: He was also the first one to spot the lucky draw that Nadal had:hug:. It makes me so happy knowing that someone is having a very good day:hug:

groundstroke
01-24-2008, 04:55 PM
I'm very happy to see Nadal out; absolutely hate him.

MatchFederer
01-24-2008, 05:00 PM
I'm very happy to see Nadal out; absolutely hate him.

:lol: :lol:

Yes.. Oh that Nadal is such a TERRIBLE human being.

What a DIABOLICAL atrocity he is!!!

:o

tennizen
01-24-2008, 05:03 PM
^^ Continuing on that line of thought. He is a monster in human form:lol: oh I forgot he is a pig in human form:lol:

MatchFederer
01-24-2008, 05:06 PM
He is like Porco Rosso. The fact that a pig can be ranked number 2 in the world is frankly, amazing! Yet Nadal gets so much crap and I just think that it is another form of racism. (:lol:)

tennizen
01-24-2008, 05:08 PM
He is like Porco Rosso. The fact that a pig can be ranked number 2 in the world is frankly, amazing! Yet Nadal gets so much crap and I just think that it is another form of racism. (:lol:)

Porco Rosso is a great nickname for him:lol: I wonder why people hate pigs. I don't hate pigs:shrug::wink:

MatchFederer
01-24-2008, 05:11 PM
Porco Rosso had some major mental blocks... rather like Nadal! He will be back though, I still think he can win a HC Grand Slam event. Must dash as I am baking a cake with a nice lady apparently.

alfonsojose
01-24-2008, 06:37 PM
2nd, 3rd (withstood the early onslaught) was owning in the 4th, QF started slowly but last two sets great.

:haha: :haha:

ReturnWinner
01-24-2008, 07:06 PM
PI wonder why people hate pigs. I don't hate pigs:shrug::wink:

me neither, Pigs are funny,adorable,cute and Delicious

tennis2tennis
01-24-2008, 08:24 PM
how far would rafa have gone had he had roger's draw?

Black Adam
01-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Wake me up when Nadal faces a serious draw and comes through :zzz:
You weren't here for Wimbledon 2007??? You are just bashing and the least you can do is admit it.

Rogiman
01-24-2008, 08:37 PM
You weren't here for Wimbledon 2007??? You are just bashing and the least you can do is admit it.Fluke, and luck.

Soderling could have easily gunned him down but chose to focus on other things, Youzhny was beating up on him left and right before getting injured, Djokovic, a far superior player to him on anything not called clay, retired after fighting off some of the world's biggest guns, and Federer had him still well inside his head after RG and played like an asshole :retard:

Good thing is Federer eventually won and saved the tournament's reputation.

rocketassist
01-24-2008, 08:41 PM
Fluke, and luck.

Soderling could have easily gunned him down but chose to focus on other things, Youzhny was beating up on him left and right before getting injured, Djokovic, a far superior player to him on anything not called clay, retired after fighting off some of the world's biggest guns, and Federer had him still well inside his head after RG and played like an asshole :retard:

Good thing is Federer eventually won and saved the tournament's reputation.

We need some GlennMirnyi while we wait for the great man's return :worship:

FitDave
01-24-2008, 08:51 PM
Now take an injury break until RG where you can moonball again mug

FedFan_2007
01-24-2008, 09:06 PM
Oink, oink!!!

leng jai
01-24-2008, 09:09 PM
You weren't here for Wimbledon 2007??? You are just bashing and the least you can do is admit it.

Yeah, super tough draw :rolleyes:

Deivid23
07-18-2008, 06:38 AM
Wake me up when Nadal faces a serious draw and comes through :zzz:

Hey Rogiman, wake the fuck up :haha:

Now seriously, long time no see, hope you´re ok after these tough months :sad:

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 07:51 AM
Hahah Burro Deivid finally's having his time after years of frustration :awww: how cute :)

Wimbledon's an old story, you should already look forward to the HC season :shrug: :cool:

Bazooka
07-18-2008, 07:54 AM
This old thread bumpin' shit must stop... Nadal won Wimbledon, I think everyone already noticed. Enough!

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 08:00 AM
This old thread bumpin' shit must stop... Nadal won Wimbledon, I think everyone already noticed. Enough!

Deivid can't help, this kid is too much of a fanboy :shrug: :awww:

Deivid23
07-18-2008, 08:02 AM
Hahah Burro Deivid finally's having his time after years of frustration :awww: how cute :)

Wimbledon's an old story, you should already look forward to the HC season :shrug: :cool:

:haha:

Deivid23
07-18-2008, 08:04 AM
Wimbledon's an old story, you should already look forward to the HC season :shrug: :cool:

Old story nono.. I still have very fresh in my mind Wimbledon, not my problem you want to forget about it asap, burrete :shrug:

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 08:05 AM
Old story nono.. I still have very fresh in my mind Wimbledon, not my problem you want to forget about it asap, burrete :shrug:

You'll still have wet dreams about it in 50 years, please keep it to yourself, no-one gives a f#ck :o ;)

Deivid23
07-18-2008, 08:07 AM
You'll still have wet dreams about it in 50 years, please keep it to yourself, no-one gives a f#ck :o ;)

:baby:

Action Jackson
07-18-2008, 08:11 AM
You'll still have wet dreams about it in 50 years, please keep it to yourself, no-one gives a f#ck :o ;)

:baby:

I love it neither of you two, have missed a note.

Mimi
07-18-2008, 08:28 AM
this is what rogiman does these days :bigcry::banghead::explode:

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 08:30 AM
this is what rogiman does these days :bigcry::banghead::explode:

His boy still has 5 Wimbledon at the end of the day :shrug: I guess he's not yet on suicide watch :o

Mimi
07-18-2008, 08:32 AM
he is too greedy to be satisfied, he wanted 10 wimbys :p
His boy still has 5 Wimbledon at the end of the day :shrug: I guess he's not yet on suicide watch :o

Jogy
07-18-2008, 08:33 AM
Hey Rogiman, wake the fuck up :haha:

Now seriously, long time no see, hope you´re ok after these tough months :sad:
:haha:

funny how like 40% of the posts of Rogiman crashed into a wall like a crash dummy with speed 200 kmh, just because one or two wins by a player (here Nadal)

and needless to say that like 30% of the posts of GlennMirnyi are proofed as bullshit the same way.

The only thing they have left now is crying like a baby :baby: :baby: :baby: how Wimbledon was at sudden so much slowly this year and that Nadal is doped.

But they forget Fedjerk won it five times on the same slow court (maybe not exactly so much slow in 2003 or 2004) and that Wimbledon organisation did all the time every thing to kiss Federer's ass all the years, to kiss his ass to victory.

Deivid23
07-18-2008, 08:39 AM
Jogy, time to update your sig :wavey:

Jogy
07-18-2008, 08:41 AM
Jogy, time to update your sig :wavey:
fuck yes, please remind me again: what is current h2h now :angel:

Mimi
07-18-2008, 08:42 AM
12-6 :p
fuck yes, please remind me again: what is current h2h now :angel:

Lopez
07-18-2008, 08:53 AM
Now now, let's just cool down the wagon a moment.

Just like every Fedfan always predicts in the start of the year that Nadal's career is waning because he gets destroyed in the HC season before clay, every Rafafan will also predict huge wins after Rafa has owned clay ( especially now since he owned grass also).

The truth is, Nadal has rarely delivered on HC, especially on the faster US hardcourts. We'll have to wait and see how he fares this time :). Let's not jump at each other's throats. It's just tennis FFS ;).

I'm by no means a Rafafan but I don't hate him either, and while I'd rather see Nole or Fed as year end no1., I have no probs whatsoever with Nadal being no1. If he is, it'll be totally deserved. I don't think anyone can deny that.

Jogy
07-18-2008, 08:54 AM
the trend continues for Federer: first serious opponent the whole tournament who brings back twice as many cheap shots of him as other opponents and who fights 5 hours until last point, and Federer stumbles


Federer should say thanks to Nadal, if not Nadal was here at the same time, people would laugh at Federer's too easy 12 Slams. So he can say at least he made the French Open finals, only lost to best clay player, and could hold Nadal away from the Wimbledon trophy two years, and that he won other titles while Nadal was there and did not reach US Open or Australian Open success yet.

if Nadal was not the only other strong player to beat Federer in important matches, everybody except Fedfangirls (+ Rogiman & JMPower) would not take that for serious.

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 09:05 AM
Time to deliver on HC now Rafito :cool: :o :angel: :D

Mimi
07-18-2008, 09:10 AM
yeah, you are right, better cool down now, rogiman may come back and grille the piggy again after Roger won the us open :secret::hug:

Now now, let's just cool down the wagon a moment.

Just like every Fedfan always predicts in the start of the year that Nadal's career is waning because he gets destroyed in the HC season before clay, every Rafafan will also predict huge wins after Rafa has owned clay ( especially now since he owned grass also).

The truth is, Nadal has rarely delivered on HC, especially on the faster US hardcourts. We'll have to wait and see how he fares this time :). Let's not jump at each other's throats. It's just tennis FFS ;).

I'm by no means a Rafafan but I don't hate him either, and while I'd rather see Nole or Fed as year end no1., I have no probs whatsoever with Nadal being no1. If he is, it'll be totally deserved. I don't think anyone can deny that.

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 09:12 AM
yeah, you are right, better cool down now, rogiman may come back and grille the piggy again after Roger won the us open :secret::hug:

And the usual gloaters (Deivid, Jogy, etc...) will be away from MTF... Never in doubt :)

Jogy
07-18-2008, 09:17 AM
And the usual gloaters (Deivid, Jogy, etc...) will be away from MTF... Never in doubt :)
not only we gloating about Federer, you are doing the same the other way around, everything is okay then! :hug:

Mimi
07-18-2008, 09:31 AM
don't think Deivd and Jogy only come out when nadal won:shrug:, just that Rogiman was too criitical about nadal so thats why when nadal won, we were over-joyed and wanted to show back to Rogiman that he was wrong, we may not do the same if his critics were mild :shrug:

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 09:35 AM
don't think Deivd and Jogy only come out when nadal won:shrug:

Deivid only comes in here when Rafito's winning, and Jogy when Fed's losing :o :)

Jogy
07-18-2008, 09:39 AM
oh come on :sad: Federer didn't lose since two weeks and I here never less :p

I just don't want to post too much, or else many Fedbias mods here are banning me when I'm giving something rude to you, Rogiman or GlennMirnyi all the time :)

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 09:40 AM
Fedbias mods

:spit: :haha: :haha: most mods on here are either Djokotards or Rafa fangirls :shrug:

Jogy
07-18-2008, 09:44 AM
:spit: :haha: :haha: most mods on here are either Djokotards or Rafa fangirls :shrug:
no player has such a lobby with the mods like Federer


you must only be posting something that is like that Mirka has a belly in a thread and like three or four mods want to protect Federer at immediate, but they allowed enough that Djoker's family is insulted and that Murray's mother is called a whore or so

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 09:48 AM
you must only be posting something that is like that Mirka has a belly in a thread and like three or four mods want to protect Federer at immediate, but they allowed enough that Djoker's family is insulted and that Murray's mother is called a whore or so

The thread on Djerker's parents was almost immediatly deleted/closed, though those pricks deserved it... Every week we have several "Mirka is a fat cow" threads and, of course, the mods don't bother to even merge them... :zzz:

Vida
07-18-2008, 09:52 AM
The thread on Djerker's parents was almost immediatly deleted/closed, though those pricks deserved it... Every week we have several "Mirka is a fat cow" threads and, of course, the mods don't bother to even merge them... :zzz:

naturally. the king is not only vulnerable, but is dead as well. if only she didn't say those words. :cool:

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 09:55 AM
naturally. the king is not only vulnerable, but is dead as well. if only she didn't say those words. :cool:

She was indeed spot on regarding Roger's "death"... Just too bad the "new King" is not the one she was thinking about :awww: :hug: :D

Vida
07-18-2008, 10:28 AM
She was indeed spot on regarding Roger's "death"... Just too bad the "new King" is not the one she was thinking about :awww: :hug: :D

:lol: Yeah, her hate blinded her. Still, give her some credit, she got half things right. ;)

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 10:30 AM
:lol: Yeah, her hate blinded her. Still, give her some credit, she got half things right. ;)

I wonder if she hates Fed more than she loves her own son... Most probably :shrug: :awww: :sad:

Vida
07-18-2008, 10:33 AM
I wonder if she hates Fed more than she loves her own son... Most probably :shrug: :awww: :sad:

Very likely, she's got two more on the shelf to spare. :rolleyes:

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 10:36 AM
This Dijana is good :cool: :hearts:

Foxy
07-18-2008, 11:08 AM
After reading these stupid old posts ala Rogiman I am starting to enjoy Wimby 2008 final more and more now. :devil:

Black Adam
07-18-2008, 11:13 AM
When was the last Rogiman posted here. I just hope Wimbledon 2008 didn't put him off tennis, he was an entertaining chump.

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 11:20 AM
Enjoy it while it lasts, haters... Roger will bounce back and you'll be the ones on suicide watch, again... :awww:

Vida
07-18-2008, 11:26 AM
Enjoy it while it lasts, haters... Roger will bounce back and you'll be the ones on suicide watch, again... :awww:

I'd say its rather the other way around: You've enjoyed it Fed worshipers, time to leave the church. But don't forget your gospel. :awww:

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 11:30 AM
I'd say its rather the other way around: You've enjoyed it Fed worshipers, time to leave the church. But don't forget your gospel. :awww:

Hahaha you wish Fed is done for good, hope he won't bounce back, not sure most of you would manage to get over it... :awww: :hug:

Vida
07-18-2008, 11:39 AM
Hahaha you wish Fed is done for good, hope he won't bounce back, not sure most of you would manage to get over it... :awww: :hug:

Classic Fed worshiping paranoia - believing that non Fed fans are actually Fed haters, who dreaded his dominance... :lol:

I didn't mind it, except I found it rather boring at times. In fact I'm surprised it ended so suddenly.

It would be nice for him to bounce back ... more humiliations would be too much. ;)

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 11:43 AM
more humiliations would be too much. ;)

Hard to get humiliated when holding 12 slams :shrug: :)

T2KN
07-18-2008, 11:45 AM
How should Fed bounce back exactly? I hear like a zillion people stating that, but what should he do? Play differently? Bc the supposed mono might have had something to do with his lesser form this year but still Nadal got him on grass, which was considered to be Roger's area of expertise (YES, even with slooooooooowed down courts). Perhaps his game just stagnated while others improved. If he bounces back, I think he should be bouncing differentely than before. :shrug:

If (!) Djoke takes the US Open from him, I think we could say his 'reign' or wtfever you call it is over, yes.

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 11:52 AM
How should Fed bounce back exactly? I hear like a zillion people stating that, but what should he do? Play differently? Bc the supposed mono might have had something to do with his lesser form this year but still Nadal got him on grass, which was considered to be Roger's area of expertise (YES, even with slooooooooowed down courts). Perhaps his game just stagnated while others improved. If he bounces back, I think he should be bouncing differentely than before. :shrug:

If (!) Djoke takes the US Open from him, I think we could say his 'reign' or wtfever you call it is over, yes.

Right, an SF appearance and 2 times runner-up out of 3 slams is utter crap. The guy is definitely done and well over it...

:retard:

T2KN
07-18-2008, 11:58 AM
No, I'm not saying that and I don't see why every post you write on MTF is seen in its most extreme form or twisted until you can make a denigrating comment on it.

All I'm saying is that if Djoke & Nadal continue winning over him then his reign is logically over, no? It doesn't mean he's crap, just not the best anymore.

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 12:01 PM
If you think Fed won't be a contender in the slams anymore from now on, then it's good for you... A bit delusional but good for you anyway :)

T2KN
07-18-2008, 12:05 PM
I think he'll be a contender but I'm doubtful about the actual winning part. Could be delusional but I define that term differently tbh. It doesn't seem that surreal to me at this point.

Chloe le Bopper
07-18-2008, 12:09 PM
If Djokovic won the USO, I would still consider Federer a favourite at the Australian Open. It would be fair to debate whether or not his days of winning 3 slams a year was over, but perhaps not so much to write him off as a slam contender.

But that's just for me.

As for the thread bump... yeah, Rogiman said some things about Nadal that were even ridiculous at the time. Yeah, it was moderately amusing. The first time. But hey, who am I to judge as to when something has grown tired.

Carry on.

Vida
07-18-2008, 12:10 PM
Hard to get humiliated when holding 12 slams :shrug: :)

Don't be superficial P.A. We may goof around and throw jabs at each other, but in all seriousness, Feds legacy is starting to look wobblier by the day.

If he doesn't win a Slam soon (USO or AO) the doors might be permanently closed. He (and his worshipers) rode a high horse, and GOAT case is seriously weakened. People will say he was good destroying 'weak competition', but as soon as things got tough, tough got under the table. Nadal (who is five years younger) already has him, and there are no garanties that he will not take it to Fed in the future. While Novak (who is six years younger) took him down on last hardcourt Slam, and will take a shot at USO most likely.

This is high pressure time for everyone involved, and stakes are huge. Those 12 Slams lose their nominal value in the bigger picture.

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 12:14 PM
Don't be superficial P.A. We may goof around and throw jabs at each other, but in all seriousness, Feds legacy is starting to look wobblier by the day.

If he doesn't win a Slam soon (USO or AO) the doors might be permanently closed. He (and his worshipers) rode a high horse, and GOAT case is seriously weakened. People will say he was good destroying 'weak competition', but as soon as things got tough, tough got under the table. Nadal (who is five years younger) already has him, and there are no garanties that he will not take it to Fed in the future. While Novak (who is six years younger) took him down on last hardcourt Slam, and will take a shot at USO most likely.

This is high pressure time for everyone involved, and stakes are huge. Those 12 Slams lose their nominal value in the bigger picture.

Again, even if such a scenario were to happen, only the haters would diss him... For tennis viewers/lovers, holding 12 slams is a hell of an achievement, there's no weak era... :kiss: :)

Chloe le Bopper
07-18-2008, 12:16 PM
... Feds legacy is starting to look wobblier by the day.

...

This is just silly talk.

Vida
07-18-2008, 12:22 PM
Again, even if such a scenario were to happen, only the haters would diss him... For tennis viewers/lovers, holding 12 slams is a hell of an achievement, there's no weak era... :kiss: :)

I would agree with you completely, if it weren't for couple of points: for someone who was talked about as being the most talented ever, who was months, even one match away from being unanimously proclaimed as GOAT (and thats a rather big deal), for someone who, furthermore, left the impression that it was only to him and his game whether he would win or lose - to go suddenly Slamless .... that's an incredible turn of events, and all that hype would come back roaring right in his face. You know very well how media operate. They look to sell where there is demand, and people as they are vultures would feed on 'fallen champ who aimed too high' story in a minute. That goes beyond 'haters'.

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 12:31 PM
...for someone who was talked about as being the most talented ever, who was months, even one match away from being unanimously proclaimed as GOAT (and thats a rather big deal), for someone who, furthermore, left the impression that it was only to him and his game whether he would win or lose - to go suddenly Slamless .... that's an incredible turn of events, and all that hype would come back roaring right in his face...

Man, all the talk about that came from the media, not from him :shrug: the self-proclaimed GOAT is Novak, not Roger, don't confuse them ;)

tennizen
07-18-2008, 12:31 PM
^^ Vida, you are polite and everything but you are very biased against Fed as much as P.A is biased in favor of Fed:lol: Going suddenly slamless?:rolls: Yeah slams are available by the dozen and suddenly he can't buy one of them:rolls:

Vida
07-18-2008, 12:41 PM
^^ Vida, you are polite and everything but you are very biased against Fed as much as P.A is biased in favor of Fed:lol: Going suddenly slamless?:rolls: Yeah slams are available by the dozen and suddenly he can't buy one of them:rolls:

Well, ultimately you have a point regarding bias. I's certainly easier for me to contemplate Feds downfall, as it is for P.A. (and the rest of Nole haters ;) ) to contemplate Nole being a fluke or whatever. But if we preserve our sanity, nothing is that bad as it seems. Its only sport, and only ones that are emotionally affected are the worshipers ... :lol: ...

Still, Fed going Slamless in the future is not out of the question completely, though considering his consistency he will most likely break Petes record, or atleast equate it. But it would be very hard, much harder than it seemed only half a year ago, and his dominance of the past will not happen anymore. Just MO.

Most likely Fed, Nadal and Djokovic will share no 1 on couple of occasions in next few years, though Fed will be under biggest pressure to break Petes record.

Foxy
07-18-2008, 12:42 PM
Don't get me wrong. 12 is an amazing result but having in mind Sampras has 14, Emerson 12 too and Nadal catching up with the slams... Well, what about Djokovic? They could easily share the slams with Rafa in the near future. Imagine what would be the slam count of these two players in 3 years time? And then in 6 years time? So in a long term plan I don't see this number 12 to be so special as it is now.

bokehlicious
07-18-2008, 12:45 PM
Don't get me wrong. 12 is an amazing result but having in mind Sampras has 14, Emerson 12 too and Nadal catching up with the slams... Well, what about Djokovic? They could easily share the slams with Rafa in the near future. Imagine what would be the slam count of these two players in 3 years time? And then in 6 years time? So in a long term plan I don't see this number 12 to be so special as it is now.

:lol: gotta love those "what ifs"... :)

Bazooka
07-18-2008, 01:48 PM
It's a bit insulting even to mention Djokovic and GOAT in the same thread.

Unless you mean he is the greatest in his "unique records":

-Most retirements from a top 10 in a year
-He has never defended a title, out of 5 chances of doing it. Let's see Montreal.
-He has lost to Rafael Nadal in all 4 surfaces in 2007.

P.S.: not sure they are unique, but can't remember any other player capable of these feats... :)

Federer is the most balanced player ever, the most complete and all-round ever. 12 slams + 3 RG finals against Nadal are enough for me for full GOATness. And don't even start talking about his backhand, while there has been only one guy out there capable of attacking it with any consistence.

Matt01
07-18-2008, 07:38 PM
It's a bit insulting even to mention Djokovic and GOAT in the same thread.

Unless you mean he is the greatest in his "unique records":

-Most retirements from a top 10 in a year
-He has never defended a title, out of 5 chances of doing it. Let's see Montreal.
-He has lost to Rafael Nadal in all 4 surfaces in 2007.

P.S.: not sure they are unique, but can't remember any other player capable of these feats... :)

Federer is the most balanced player ever, the most complete and all-round ever. 12 slams + 3 RG finals against Nadal are enough for me for full GOATness. And don't even start talking about his backhand, while there has been only one guy out there capable of attacking it with any consistence.


:zzz:

I'm not even talking about Federer's weak backhand, I'm talking about his results this year at the big tournaments, where had multiple big losses against the likes of Nole and Rafa. Having won only two Mickey Mouse Tournaments this year is a desaster for the reigning World #1 and, as you call, "GOAT".

If I were you, I would be very worried. :devil:

Sunset of Age
07-18-2008, 07:42 PM
^^ Yeah, of course, a player never goes through a period of title draught, never gets ill, never has an off period or whatever, and once they do, they're down-and-out, in decline, and ready to retire. :rolleyes:

What a miracle that guy has managed to win 12 slams, and got to one GS semifinal and two GS finals during that same period!

I would be very worried if I were YOU.

Xenosys
07-18-2008, 07:53 PM
:lol: gotta love those "what ifs"... :)

Well if the world ends as predicted in 2012, then I make that 13-17 slams remaining which are up for grabs before the big bang. I only hope Nadal & Federer can make it as tight a battle as possible.

/Doomsday Rant

:)

DDrago2
07-18-2008, 08:04 PM
Ignorance rules

Matt01
07-18-2008, 08:07 PM
^^ Yeah, of course, a player never goes through a period of title draught, never gets ill, never has an off period or whatever, and once they do, they're down-and-out, in decline, and ready to retire. :rolleyes:

What a miracle that guy has managed to win 12 slams, and got to one GS semifinal and two GS finals during that same period!

I would be very worried if I were YOU.


Thank you, but I never said that Federer is out or should retire. I want to see a healthy Federer playing many more years on the ATP tour. :)

This year he's in decline though, that is quite obvious to see IMO.

Albop
09-07-2008, 11:05 PM
:shrug:

Fed Express
09-07-2008, 11:09 PM
:shrug:

Great kick :worship:

Synthesis
09-07-2008, 11:10 PM
With Murray, Djoko, Del Potro, Tsonga and maybe that FedMug guy does Nadal stand any chance to win a hardcourt slam?

GlennMirnyi
09-07-2008, 11:13 PM
First non-clown and :wavey: Nadull.

Synthesis
09-07-2008, 11:19 PM
Glenn - you're a prophet.

cuteasiangirl
09-08-2008, 12:09 AM
All of the Nadal haters that are ridiculing his easy draw should go back and take a look at Federer's.

Andi-M
09-08-2008, 12:13 AM
First non-clown and :wavey: Nadull.

Acccording to you Murray is a clown and a moonballer and a pusher.

LinkMage
09-08-2008, 12:59 AM
So true, great thread. Nadull only gets far in GS tournaments on hard courts because of his cupcake draws.

luie
09-08-2008, 01:57 AM
Acccording to you Murray is a clown and a moonballer and a pusher.
Nadal got Nadulled".:worship: Feel proud Murray saved TENNIS today.

Forehander
09-08-2008, 02:02 AM
Nadal really got badly crushed today by Murray. And with the upcoming youngsters all able to bash the ball extremely hard on both wings, Nadal's game have some serious flaws.

Synthesis
09-08-2008, 02:08 AM
Nadal did not get crushed. Only one double-break set he lost.

Joao
09-08-2008, 02:08 AM
So much for the Nadal-Djokovic final the Fedhaters predicted or should I say hoped for ...

luie
09-08-2008, 02:11 AM
So much for the Nadal-Djokovic final the Fedhaters predicted or should I say hoped for ...
Yes tennis won yesterday & today.LONG live the US open.

Action Jackson
09-08-2008, 05:28 AM
Nadal at the US Open during his career. Taken from 2005, when he won first his GS title.

Lost to Youzhny and Blake when they were unseeded. Ferrer and Murray were the first seeded players he met.

US Open, NY, U.S.A.
Grand Slam, 25-Aug-08, O, Hard , Draw: 128

R1 Bjorn PHAU (GER) 7-6(4) 6-3 7-6(4)
R2 Ryler DEHEART (USA) 6-1 6-2 6-4
R3 Viktor TROICKI (SRB) 6-4 6-3 6-0
R4 Sam QUERREY (USA) 6-2 5-7 7-6(2) 6-3
QF Mardy FISH (USA) 3-6 6-1 6-4 6-2

US Open 2007

128 Alun JONES (AUS) 7-5 3-6 6-4 6-1
64 Janko TIPSAREVIC (SRB) 6-2 6-3 3-2 RET
32 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA) 7-6(3) 6-2 6-1
16 David FERRER (ESP) 7-6(3) 4-6 6-7(4) 2-6

US Open 2006

128 Mark PHILIPPOUSSIS (AUS) 6-4 6-4 6-4
64 Luis HORNA (PER) 6-4 4-6 6-4 6-2
32 Wesley MOODIE (RSA) 6-4 7-6(5) 7-6(4)
16 Jiri NOVAK (CZE) 6-1 7-6(3) 6-4
QF Mikhail YOUZHNY (RUS) 3-6 7-5 6-7(5) 1-6


US Open 2005


128 Bobby REYNOLDS (USA) 6-3 6-3 6-4
64 Scoville JENKINS (USA) 6-4 7-5 6-4
32 James BLAKE (USA) 4-6 6-4 3-6 1-6

sennoc
09-08-2008, 05:43 AM
What a Spartan he is...

groundstroke
09-08-2008, 07:27 AM
Nadal at the US Open during his career. Taken from 2005, when he won first his GS title.

Lost to Youzhny and Blake when they were unseeded. Ferrer and Murray were the first seeded players he met.

US Open, NY, U.S.A.
Grand Slam, 25-Aug-08, O, Hard , Draw: 128

R1 Bjorn PHAU (GER) 7-6(4) 6-3 7-6(4)
R2 Ryler DEHEART (USA) 6-1 6-2 6-4
R3 Viktor TROICKI (SRB) 6-4 6-3 6-0
R4 Sam QUERREY (USA) 6-2 5-7 7-6(2) 6-3
QF Mardy FISH (USA) 3-6 6-1 6-4 6-2

US Open 2007

128 Alun JONES (AUS) 7-5 3-6 6-4 6-1
64 Janko TIPSAREVIC (SRB) 6-2 6-3 3-2 RET
32 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA) 7-6(3) 6-2 6-1
16 David FERRER (ESP) 7-6(3) 4-6 6-7(4) 2-6

US Open 2006

128 Mark PHILIPPOUSSIS (AUS) 6-4 6-4 6-4
64 Luis HORNA (PER) 6-4 4-6 6-4 6-2
32 Wesley MOODIE (RSA) 6-4 7-6(5) 7-6(4)
16 Jiri NOVAK (CZE) 6-1 7-6(3) 6-4
QF Mikhail YOUZHNY (RUS) 3-6 7-5 6-7(5) 1-6


US Open 2005


128 Bobby REYNOLDS (USA) 6-3 6-3 6-4
64 Scoville JENKINS (USA) 6-4 7-5 6-4
32 James BLAKE (USA) 4-6 6-4 3-6 1-6
Oh my god.. :lol: Nadal is such a terrible player it's a shame he's even in the top 10.

sawan66278
09-08-2008, 08:59 AM
So true, great thread. Nadull only gets far in GS tournaments on hard courts because of his cupcake draws.

While the Olympics are not a GS, they are right up there...and Rafa won the gold. And he beat Novak there (and Gonzo) to do it. And he would have been MUCH fresher going into the Open had he not gone, but for him, winning the gold is his fourth greatest accomplishment after the Davis Cup, his first RG, and his first Wimbledon. And I believe he would rather win gold than the Open title anyway.

Nadal really got badly crushed today by Murray. And with the upcoming youngsters all able to bash the ball extremely hard on both wings, Nadal's game have some serious flaws.

Um...crushed...ask Andy Murray whether Rafa was crushed. A tight match that would have been tighter had the USTA not continued their trend of absolute stupidity and greed by starting the match on Armstrong on Saturday.

bokehlicious
09-08-2008, 09:02 AM
And I believe he would rather win gold than the Open title anyway.

Yeah sure :yeah: just like Roger would rather win another Hamburg than the French :shrug: :o :retard:

sawan66278
09-08-2008, 09:05 AM
Yeah sure :yeah: just like Roger would rather win another Hamburg than the French :shrug: :o :retard:

Um...okay...:rolleyes:

The_Nadal_effect
09-08-2008, 09:48 AM
Jumping the gun a little too early again, aren't we?

There are a few hard court tournaments still left, before the year ends. I'm interested to see how he performs then.
Its no secret that for Rafa to win outside clay, he must necessarily BE AGGRESSIVE. The clay court moonballing fellow won't win nothing outside clay. He's shown he can win. Queens, Wimbly, Toronto and Olympics were no fluke, but wer won playing aggressively. He had to face tough opponents in all those tourneys.

Against Murray, he was playing so passively, being dictated all the time. His first serves were lucky to touch 100 mph, his return games were awful, his forehand terrible and Murray was controlling everything. Its just a matter of time before he'll grow consistent on this surface as well.

Till then, we can have threads like these. :yeah:

Ivanatis
10-02-2010, 06:43 PM
:rolleyes:some things really never change