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Nadal on average taking 44 seconds in between points

RickDaStick
01-22-2008, 05:35 AM
Way over the 25 allowed. I think this is getting out of hand and should be dealt with immediately.

NinaNina19
01-22-2008, 05:35 AM
He's slower than Nieminen's serve in the 1st set.

sawan66278
01-22-2008, 05:42 AM
He's making Ivan Lendl look like the Czech version of Speedy Gonzalez. Simply unacceptable, Rafa.

tennisgal_001
01-22-2008, 05:44 AM
Way over the 25 allowed. I think this is getting out of hand and should be dealt with immediately.

Actually, it's 20 seconds at Slams. Go figure...

We need Ramos!!!

dam0dred
01-22-2008, 05:48 AM
He's been doing that for years, why don't the umpires enforce the rules?? Same with on-court coaching - if they are not going to enforce the rules, then just change them.

Mechlan
01-22-2008, 05:51 AM
Looks like he's picked up some bad habits from Djokovic.

l_mac
01-22-2008, 05:55 AM
And he's serving like crap, so it isn't even helping him.

Bring back the ass picking and sock adjustment, Rafa. It's quicker.

sawan66278
01-22-2008, 05:56 AM
Continuing the Speedy Gonzalez theme--Rafa should now be known as Slow Poke Nadalez.;)

tennisgal_001
01-22-2008, 05:56 AM
Looks like he's picked up some bad habits from Djokovic.

I'd like to think it's the other way around. ;)

Metis
01-22-2008, 05:56 AM
I think it's maximum 44 seconds and 31 for Nieminen, not average (not that that is acceptable of course)

l_mac
01-22-2008, 06:01 AM
I think it's maximum 44 seconds and 31 for Nieminen, not average (not that that is acceptable of course)

:lol:

So far this game he's been 20, 18, 18, 17 - maybe his average will come down :)

martinatreue
01-22-2008, 06:05 AM
If I were his opponent I would pull out a nail file and start nailing my files and combing my hair and have a picnic maybe or go have a drink at my chair to show how much damn time he takes.

mojo37_12
01-22-2008, 06:07 AM
And he's serving like crap, so it isn't even helping him.

Bring back the ass picking and sock adjustment, Rafa. It's quicker.

i totally agree. :D he could use it to distract opponents too you know?

Sjengster
01-22-2008, 06:13 AM
If I were his opponent I would pull out a nail file and start nailing my files and combing my hair and have a picnic maybe or go have a drink at my chair to show how much damn time he takes.

Files deserve to get nailed good and hard.

Metis
01-22-2008, 06:16 AM
:lol:

RogiRafaFan86
01-22-2008, 06:17 AM
Don't hate the player, hate the game. If they're not going to say anything to him, what's his incentive to stop?

I think it seemed longer in this match because it was just so damn boring. I timed him a few times myself, and it wasn't actually that long most of the time. I find it hard to believe that was the average.

NYCtennisfan
01-22-2008, 06:20 AM
He usually does it in tense situations and close matches, so I was surprised how long he was taking between points in the third set when the match was over. He really slows down when his serve games go to deuce. If there are a couple of deuces, it's always quite a long game.

bokehlicious
01-22-2008, 06:36 AM
Rafa is the tennis goldenboy! Let him do what he wants you haters... :o

Marek.
01-22-2008, 06:40 AM
Maybe Nadal thinks they get paid by the hour. :shrug:

sports freak
01-22-2008, 06:40 AM
Nadal/Djokovic should get points taken off,dont worry about the warnings its like a wrist slap for them!Putting opponents off is unacceptable and unsportsmanlike!!

MissMelly2U
01-22-2008, 06:43 AM
I think that umpires should be proactive in matters like this because it's not fair to the opponent, and they shouldn't have to complain to get the ump to enforce the rules. That being said, if the opponents don't like it, they should complain, and the ump should make the appropriate call. I think that a lot of players don't mind too much when they're playing Rafa cause they're so worn out after the point. But as a spectator, it is really annoying when the match drags on and on for no apparent reason. Get on with it I say.

Corey Feldman
01-22-2008, 06:46 AM
Just another one of his diva like traits

baghdatis
01-22-2008, 06:49 AM
Today in his match it seemed before every serve he was just waiting to get warned.

Norm Chryst :o

Clara Bow
01-22-2008, 06:53 AM
Both supposidly were taking longer than the norm- but I do think Rafa should have been warned. And if Jarkko was taking longer as well- so should he.

I think that a lot of players don't mind too much when they're playing Rafa cause they're so worn out after the point. But as a spectator, it is really annoying when the match drags on and on for no apparent reason. Get on with it I say.


I agree- Jarkko was actually probably liking the long time to get his breath back. But it could actually be a bigger asset for Rafa is he did speed it up at times so his opponents would then have to play another point right after a tough one. But lordy- it can really bug as a spectator and it is play...wait...play.

Merton
01-22-2008, 06:57 AM
Exciting new information that we never heard before there. It is up to the umpires to enforce the rules. I do believe that discretion is important, for example it is silly to give a time warning after a particularly brutal point but umpires should enforce the rule when it systematically goes beyond the time limit.

trixtah
01-22-2008, 07:13 AM
If I were his opponent I would pull out a nail file and start nailing my files and combing my hair and have a picnic maybe or go have a drink at my chair to show how much damn time he takes.

Imagine what an ass you'd look like after losing to Rafa, though :p Reminiscent of Soderling going down to Rafa last year after all his antics

DrJules
01-22-2008, 07:43 AM
A Nadal vs. Djokovic final could be a long match in time; both players notorious for slow play.:devil:

groundstroke
01-22-2008, 07:57 AM
An umpire needs to warn him.

bokehlicious
01-22-2008, 07:59 AM
ATP needs to get rid of those cheaters... Kärcher powa! :rocker2: :o

josie
01-22-2008, 08:11 AM
hey change the Title. It was only 25 seconds. I timed him in the whole Match and only one or two time he was above 40 seconds.

Sean.J.S.
01-22-2008, 08:15 AM
Way over the 25 allowed. I think this is getting out of hand and should be dealt with immediately.

At least we get to see lots of replays. :shrug:

MariaV
01-22-2008, 08:17 AM
hey change the Title. It was only 25 seconds. I timed him in the whole Match and only one or two time he was above 40 seconds.

Thanks! To me it seemed too that he didn't take that long today at all. :yeah:

Stensland
01-22-2008, 08:20 AM
this is also why his matches take so long. i remember people talking about his match vs. troicki taking so long and saying that the world no.2 should be able to beat that guy within "federer-time", so to speak, like 75 minutes or something.
well, i guess he sometimes even would come close to that if it wasn't for the constant delay of play.

Aenea
01-22-2008, 08:34 AM
this is also why his matches take so long. i remember people talking about his match vs. troicki taking so long and saying that the world no.2 should be able to beat that guy within "federer-time", so to speak, like 75 minutes or something.
well, i guess he sometimes even would come close to that if it wasn't for the constant delay of play.

World no.1 took 101 minutes to beat that same guy, Troicki, at Tokyo'06. Troicki took the world no.1 to 2 tie-breaks. At that time Troicki was 20 year old and ranked no.276.

Stensland
01-22-2008, 08:38 AM
World no.1 took 101 minutes to beat that same guy, Troicki, at Tokyo'06. Troicki took the world no.1 to 2 tie-breaks. At that time Troicki was 20 year old and ranked no.276.

fine, take other nadal matches, you get what i'm talking about. he usually spends way more time on court when playing a solid 3-setter than federer. that's all i'm saying.

Rogiman
01-22-2008, 08:38 AM
Son of a bitch

adee-gee
01-22-2008, 08:41 AM
Rafa is the tennis goldenboy! Let him do what he wants you haters... :o

ATP needs to get rid of those cheaters... Kärcher powa! :rocker2: :o
Make your mind up son ;)

rosamunda
01-22-2008, 08:42 AM
I think that umpires should be proactive in matters like this because it's not fair to the opponent, and they shouldn't have to complain to get the ump to enforce the rules. That being said, if the opponents don't like it, they should complain, and the ump should make the appropriate call. I think that a lot of players don't mind too much when they're playing Rafa cause they're so worn out after the point. But as a spectator, it is really annoying when the match drags on and on for no apparent reason. Get on with it I say.

The trouble with that is that it would play into Rafa's hands - it would show him that he'd successfully psyched them out. That said, I'm not actually convinced that he does it for gamesmanship purposes - it's more than likely all part of his involuntary OCD drill.

FedFan_2007
01-22-2008, 10:32 AM
I've noticed less ass picking from Rafa? Maybe he made a New Year's resolution not to pick his ass in front of millions of people, realizing how disgusting it looks.

Johnny Groove
01-22-2008, 10:38 AM
Ljubo on average taking 44 tournaments to win a match.

Cry me a fucking river and stop bitching

TheBoiledEgg
01-22-2008, 10:57 AM
umpires must think the ball is in play when he scratches his balls and ass :tape:

Saumon
01-22-2008, 10:57 AM
ATP needs to get rid of those cheaters... Kärcher powa! :rocker2: :o

Nicolas, is that you?

Exodus
01-22-2008, 11:01 AM
nadal do that to irritate other players. Can't wait for youtzny to kill him

GuiroNl
01-22-2008, 11:05 AM
I actually thought that you have 20/25 seconds between the end of a point and the start of the service motion, instead of the end of a point and the start of the next. (please correct me when I'm wrong about this). It's completely vague however, what the definition of the start of the service motion is. Some people would say that it includes ball bouncing, others would say it doesn't include it.

The Pro
01-22-2008, 12:04 PM
I've noticed less ass picking from Rafa? Maybe he made a New Year's resolution not to pick his ass in front of millions of people, realizing how disgusting it looks.

Maybe he's taken to wearing boxers, or even a jock, which would solve the whole wedgie thing and still keep the boys in place while running around? :confused:

Whenever I count his service in my head, he always goes over by about 5 seconds or so. He needs to tighten up. :(

RicRoc
01-22-2008, 01:07 PM
I'm not against Nadal.But his Behaviour on the Court is so lame and predictable.It's like Nadal is on ther Pro-Tour for 10-12 Years already.:zzz:

FitDave
01-22-2008, 01:28 PM
We need to get rid of that 20 sec crap as well as the let:retard:

RickDaStick
01-22-2008, 03:43 PM
Ljubo on average taking 44 tournaments to win a match.

Cry me a fucking river and stop bitching

shut the fuck up tool, i was just repeating what I heard. Why dont you go back to admiring the shirtless posters of your steroid freak

tennizen
01-22-2008, 04:12 PM
I don't really get the issue of this time delay. Both with Nadal and Djokovic. While there are some players who get irritated with it most people are completely wrapped up in their own games to even notice. Lots of players have said they don't mind. These guys must have played so many people since their childhood who must have used every sort of tactic and played slow,fast and all types of games. I am sure it affects us more than it does to the players. If they really cared that much they would enforce it more.

tangerine_dream
01-22-2008, 04:14 PM
Imagine what an ass you'd look like after losing to Rafa, though :p Reminiscent of Soderling going down to Rafa last year after all his antics
:lol: Soderling looked like the biggest assclown after that. Worst of all, he was a coward who couldn't look Rafa in the eye after he mocked him and then got his ass handed to him. :devil:

Ljubo on average taking 44 tournaments to win a match.
:haha:

Corey Feldman
01-22-2008, 04:19 PM
Son of a bitch:haha:

you are having the time of your life during these 2 weeks, arnt you Rogiman ;)

cmurray
01-22-2008, 04:33 PM
Nadal was NOT taking an average of 44 seconds between points. The average was probably right around 20. Doesn't make it right, but this title is totally exaggerated.

Burrow
01-22-2008, 04:41 PM
Ljubo on average taking 44 tournaments to win a match.

Cry me a fucking river and stop bitching

Christ, how many times do you say that?

"cry me a fucking river"

You are a dick.

Yes, Nadal is taking far too long, he is ridiculous, this just shows he isn't as fit as his little fan boys think, he is getting fucked every rally, completely drained. Umpires need to stop being pussy's.

Jaap
01-22-2008, 04:44 PM
Yes, Nadal is taking far too long, he is ridiculous, this just shows he isn't as fit as his little fan boys think, he is getting fucked every rally, completely drained. Umpires need to stop being pussy's.

But Nadal is winning grand slams while you are sat in your bedsit wanking over Marat Safin posters.

Burrow
01-22-2008, 05:48 PM
But Nadal is winning grand slams while you are sat in your bedsit wanking over Marat Safin posters.

You are the one who wants to be Marat Safin, so jealous of him aren't you?

I could do worse, could be wanking over Nadal.

Not that stupid, I'm not.

:rolleyes:

Dimonator133
01-22-2008, 06:04 PM
You are the one who wants to be Marat Safin, so jealous of him aren't you?

I could do worse, could be wanking over Nadal.

Not that stupid, I'm not.

:rolleyes:

if Nadal is taking too long the umpires would call it. It's for them to decide what is too long and what isn't; not us. Who cares anyway. That should be the LEAST of player's concerns when they are faced with the monumental task of going up against Rafa.

Dougie
01-22-2008, 06:06 PM
I don't really get the issue of this time delay. Both with Nadal and Djokovic. While there are some players who get irritated with it most people are completely wrapped up in their own games to even notice. Lots of players have said they don't mind. These guys must have played so many people since their childhood who must have used every sort of tactic and played slow,fast and all types of games. I am sure it affects us more than it does to the players. If they really cared that much they would enforce it more.

But this is not a small issue. Tennis is a spectator sport, and itīs really frustrating to watch his matches because of this. This is part of the reason why the rule should be enforced more. Imagine watching a football game where every goal kick would take 2 minutes. Nadal can pick his ass and bounce his balls all he wants when heīs on the practice court, but when heīs playing a televised game in the Rod Laver arena, he should play by the rules.

sawan66278
01-22-2008, 06:22 PM
Ljubo on average taking 44 tournaments to win a match.

Cry me a fucking river and stop bitching

:haha::haha::haha:

You're being generous.;)

tennizen
01-22-2008, 07:39 PM
But this is not a small issue. Tennis is a spectator sport, and itīs really frustrating to watch his matches because of this. This is part of the reason why the rule should be enforced more. Imagine watching a football game where every goal kick would take 2 minutes. Nadal can pick his ass and bounce his balls all he wants when heīs on the practice court, but when heīs playing a televised game in the Rod Laver arena, he should play by the rules.

That's your feeling and I understand where its coming from. Football is not an individual sport so I wouldn't compare it to tennis. I don't adhere to the philosophy that players should keep the feelings of fans in their mind when they are playing. If its against the rules and several opponents complain about it, it still makes sense to me. You can dislike Nadal for doing it but I think that's where it ends. Just my opinion:)

stebs
01-22-2008, 07:45 PM
If its against the rules...You can dislike Nadal for doing it but I think that's where it ends.

These two statements contradict each other. Rules are rules and they are there for a reason. If you choose to fight hard for every point then fair enough but you can't gain an advantage by taking a longer break just because your game is more physical.

tennizen
01-22-2008, 07:55 PM
These two statements contradict each other. Rules are rules and they are there for a reason. If you choose to fight hard for every point then fair enough but you can't gain an advantage by taking a longer break just because your game is more physical.

Actually, rules are there for a reason but I am not one to believe in complete adherence. My point is that the only people who have the right to complain are his opponents. If opponents complain enough, possibly he will be forced to change his style. Whether I think that is appropriate or not doesn't matter. If his opponents are ok with bending of the rules, whether spectators get irritated or not is immaterial.

BaselineSmash
01-22-2008, 08:24 PM
Nadal did an interview with the BBC, just prior to the Australian Open '08, in which he claimed to have resolved to speed up between points. From what he was saying, it sounded like he had every intention of cutting out the sock-pulling and underwear-adjustment. The link for the interview (which lasts about 20 minutes , in English), might not work for non-UK users. And yes, I know this might have been mentioned in a thread before:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_7180000/newsid_7183400/7183420.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1

Dougie
01-22-2008, 08:32 PM
Actually, rules are there for a reason but I am not one to believe in complete adherence. My point is that the only people who have the right to complain are his opponents. If opponents complain enough, possibly he will be forced to change his style. Whether I think that is appropriate or not doesn't matter. If his opponents are ok with bending of the rules, whether spectators get irritated or not is immaterial.

Itīs not immaterial because spectators are the ones who make the sport what it is. People who pay for their tickets might not want to see someone bouncing the ball all night. Professional tennis is about much more than two guys on court. Itīs about schedules, entertainment etc. You can be sure the rule wasnīt made in the first place to calm down Nadalīs opponents. It was made to make matches run more smoothly = make it better for the organiser and the spectators.

Castafiore
01-22-2008, 08:40 PM
topic has been discussed to death :zzz:

Johnny Groove
01-22-2008, 08:42 PM
shut the fuck up tool, i was just repeating what I heard. Why dont you go back to admiring the shirtless posters of your steroid freak

Christ, how many times do you say that?

"cry me a fucking river"

You are a dick.

Yes, Nadal is taking far too long, he is ridiculous, this just shows he isn't as fit as his little fan boys think, he is getting fucked every rally, completely drained. Umpires need to stop being pussy's.

Bit defensive, old chaps. Calm your nerves, its just tennis

leng jai
01-22-2008, 09:05 PM
Stop defending Rafa. His time wasting in between points is as bad as Rodduck's on court behaviour.

Vamos Ramos.

gomeny
01-22-2008, 09:26 PM
Welcome to pro-sports where the rules are applied infrequently to top stars.

tennizen
01-22-2008, 09:32 PM
Itīs not immaterial because spectators are the ones who make the sport what it is. People who pay for their tickets might not want to see someone bouncing the ball all night. Professional tennis is about much more than two guys on court. Itīs about schedules, entertainment etc. You can be sure the rule wasnīt made in the first place to calm down Nadalīs opponents. It was made to make matches run more smoothly = make it better for the organiser and the spectators.

If that is the case, then all complaining spectators could try to file a petition with the ATP or maybe abstain from watching the matches of players who don't follow the rules down to a T. That might lead to more drastic solutions.

Mane
01-22-2008, 11:30 PM
A player is allowed to take 20 (ATP competitions 25) sec between points.

Dusk Soldier
01-23-2008, 12:09 AM
Way over the 25 allowed. I think this is getting out of hand and should be dealt with immediately.

lol, and when they're done handling that. They can fine Roddick for swearing at that umpire in his match with kohlshreiber.

sawan66278
01-23-2008, 04:05 AM
lol, and when they're done handling that. They can fine Roddick for swearing at that umpire in his match with kohlshreiber.

And, in honor of the Academy Awards (whose nominations were announced today), give Andy an honorary Oscar for his Jimmy Connors "impersonation".

sports freak
01-23-2008, 08:46 AM
If its a long match this could benefit Tsonga more with rocvery time since Rafa is slightly the more fresher,therefor this could back fire on Nadal!!