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Ferrer def JCF 7-5 3-6 6-4 6-1

Jimnik
01-21-2008, 10:08 AM
"Never in doubt" seems like an appropriate comment to describe this result.

The start was close but as it progressed it was clear who had the advantage in all the baseline exchanges. Ferrer went up an early break in every set and JCF was under pressure in almost every service game so it was only a matter of time before Ferrer found himself in the clear.

|-Safin_Coria-|
01-21-2008, 10:10 AM
:sad:

mdjenders
01-21-2008, 10:10 AM
this match had lots of deuce games, with many wasted leads and wasted bp's by both players. jcf had several bp's to get back on serve at 3-1 in the final set; when he wasted those, he gave up.

Tabledott
01-21-2008, 10:10 AM
Come on, Dave, gotta make it to the semis against Roger. Good match.

*snowflake*
01-21-2008, 10:13 AM
:woohoo:

He could've done it much faster tho...

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:14 AM
I´m sorry for the deluded JCF¨s fans who said Ferrero was back at his best and for those who defended his fh was a weapon again. Back down to Earth. He got outplayed, outhit and overpowered by Ferrer.

Buen trabajo Torito :D

Raymz
01-21-2008, 10:14 AM
what a boring match it was

almost impossible to hit winner between these two

Jimnik
01-21-2008, 10:16 AM
Im sorry for the deluded JCFs fans who said Ferrero was back at his best and for those who defended his fh was a weapon again. Back down to Earth. He got outplayed, outhit and overpowered by Ferrer.

Buen trabajo Torito :D
Why do you get kicks from picking on JCF fans? Have they ever done something to you?

ReturnWinner
01-21-2008, 10:16 AM
what a boring match it was

almost impossible to hit winner between these two

well that is expected given the kind of game both players have

Ivn
01-21-2008, 10:17 AM
I am bored of ferrer's style of play.

Clara Bow
01-21-2008, 10:17 AM
almost impossible to hit winner between these two

Ferrer actually had 44 winners.

mdjenders
01-21-2008, 10:17 AM
I dont get the strategy from jcf. At this stage in his career, he cant hang with guys like ferrer in long ass baseline rallies, but that is what he tried the whole match. Sometimes, he ripped a fh or bh to seemingly take control of the point, then when ferrer hit a defensive return, jcf just meekly returned instead of hitting a more offensive shot to put away the point. It is like he is only capable of hitting one aggressive shot at a time.

TankingTheSet
01-21-2008, 10:18 AM
I wouldn't say it was completely one-sided, in the second set and for a large part of the third set Ferrero was looking pretty good and Ferrer was making mistakes. Then Ferrero lost his serve at *4-5 in the third set and it was over.

ReturnWinner
01-21-2008, 10:18 AM
lol Ferrero has never had a massive fh kinda like Federer,Moya,Gonzalez,Acasuso,Tursunov,Berdych , calleri, and many other players. I do not know why many thinks so why many thinks so.

Pics is just too fast and consistent for Ferrero.

ReturnWinner
01-21-2008, 10:20 AM
Ferrer actually had 44 winners.

44 winners in 258 points is not that good :o

*bunny*
01-21-2008, 10:20 AM
:bigcry:

No word, coz I couldn't see the match.

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:21 AM
Why do you get kicks from picking on JCF fans? Have they ever done something to you?

Im just saying Im sorry for todays dissapointment of those who thought JCF was going to win this match bc he was playing great tennis, as I said it was just a deluded judgement

Jimnik
01-21-2008, 10:22 AM
I dont get the strategy from jcf. At this stage in his career, he cant hang with guys like ferrer in long ass baseline rallies, but that is what he tried the whole match. Sometimes, he ripped a fh or bh to seemingly take control of the point, then when ferrer hit a defensive return, jcf just meekly returned instead of hitting a more offensive shot to put away the point. It is like he is only capable of hitting one aggressive shot at a time.
Agreed. He was actualy far more successful when he came into the net than when he stayed back. He has to learn that he'll never have the patience of a younger fresher player like Ferrer so he has to break up the rhythm somehow. I would have liked to see him hit harder and come in sooner to try to finish the points more quickly but he didn't have the confidence to do that.

Jimnik
01-21-2008, 10:24 AM
I´m just saying I´m sorry for today´s dissapointment of those who thought JCF was going to win this match bc he was playing great tennis, as I said it was just a deluded judgement
He was plaing good tennis. This is still the best start he's made in 4 years.

Clara Bow
01-21-2008, 10:25 AM
44 winners in 258 points is not that good :o

True, but Ferrer had 44 winners out of 138 points- since he won 138 points. JCF had 30 winners out of 120 points. Both of them being able to get back stuff to each other- that factored into it as well. Not Andy/Phillip territory by any means- but I was just trying to point out that David did have winners.

David had spots where he was more aggressive- and he has added more offensive aspects to his game over the past couple of years...he could not have played the way he did in Shanghai two or three years ago.

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:26 AM
lol Ferrero has never had a massive fh kinda like Federer,Moya,Gonzalez,Acasuso,Tursunov,Berdych , calleri, and many other players. I do not know why many thinks so why many thinks so.

Pics is just too fast and consistent for Ferrero.



:lol: Ferrero indeed had one hell of a fh back in 2001-2003 years, todays version is an absolute joke in comparison. Pics is not just too fast and consistent, he even hits a heavier ball these days, thing which one would have never imagined a few years ago

Stensland
01-21-2008, 10:28 AM
i don't like ferrer's game at all, so it's a pity he advanced vs. such a gifted player (if in form) as ferrero.

mdjenders
01-21-2008, 10:29 AM
strategy for ferrero needs to be rip the forehand, then rip it again, maybe come in for a putaway volley or two. running around to hit more forehands from the bh corner is probably also a good idea, or he will have another mediocre clay season. his bh is solid, just not much of a weapon that can hurt fast guys like ferrer.

Rogiman
01-21-2008, 10:30 AM
This Pics is so Good! :eek:

You could feel the difference in quality on both players' shots.

VolandriFan
01-21-2008, 10:31 AM
lol Ferrero has never had a massive fh kinda like Federer,Moya,Gonzalez,Acasuso,Tursunov,Berdych , calleri, and many other players. I do not know why many thinks so why many thinks so.

Pics is just too fast and consistent for Ferrero.

I disagree. Ferrero's forehand could rival almost all of those you listed in his peak.

About the match, Juan Carlos was not playing aggressive as he did in his first three matches. As simple as that. I feel that he is or was (however you look at it) a better offensive player than Ferrer with more weapons. His belief is wavering and one bad set can lead to months of bad results. He needs to just focus on being positive in every match, not just when he feels good.

Well done Ferru :yeah:, but Juanqui :sad:

Jimnik
01-21-2008, 10:32 AM
strategy for ferrero needs to be rip the forehand, then rip it again, maybe come in for a putaway volley or two. running around to hit more forehands from the bh corner is probably also a good idea, or he will have another mediocre clay season. his bh is solid, just not much of a weapon that can hurt fast guys like ferrer.
I seriously doubt he'll ever be a major force on clay again. He just doesn't have the patience anymore, even if he gets his old FH back.

His serve has been working well this tournament and if he continues to develop it he should be a force on faster surfaces.

Carlita
01-21-2008, 10:32 AM
:awww:

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:32 AM
He was plaing good tennis. This is still the best start he's made in 4 years.

That´s the key of the issue imo. Many JCF´s fans settle their deluded hopes thinking about a standard of play which will never be back again. That´s why many people thought he was a favourite today, just bc his name and old standard of play, but reality is that he´s not good enough to be favoured against the top players any longer

Rogiman
01-21-2008, 10:33 AM
Thats the key of the issue imo. Many JCFs fans settle their deluded hopes thinking about a standard of play which will never be back again. Thats why many people thought he was a favourite today, just bc his name and old standard of play, but reality is that hes not good enough to be favoured against the top players any longerTrue.

And the same will hold if you change 'JCF' to 'Safin'.

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:35 AM
strategy for ferrero needs to be rip the forehand, then rip it again, maybe come in for a putaway volley or two. running around to hit more forehands from the bh corner is probably also a good idea, or he will have another mediocre clay season. his bh is solid, just not much of a weapon that can hurt fast guys like ferrer.

You missed the fact that he cant do that consistently any longer. At least 1 out of 3 powerful fhs in a row will go long

Jimnik
01-21-2008, 10:36 AM
Thats the key of the issue imo. Many JCFs fans settle their deluded hopes thinking about a standard of play which will never be back again. Thats why many people thought he was a favourite today, just bc his name and old standard of play, but reality is that hes not good enough to be favoured against the top players any longer
Off course poeple try to compare him now to his peak. I think you exaggerate the comments people are making. I haven't seen many people say he's back to his best. Many have said that he's playing well again but nobody is trying to claim this is the best he's ever played.

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:36 AM
True.

And the same will hold if you change 'JCF' to 'Safin'.


Its not that extreme, but you have a point there

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:37 AM
Off course poeple try to compare him now to his peak. I think you exaggerate the comments people are making. I haven't seen many people say he's back to his best. Many have said that he's playing well again but nobody is trying to claim this is the best he's ever played.

After his win over Kiefer I read in here his fh was in Gonzos league and Im not kidding

Rogiman
01-21-2008, 10:37 AM
Its not that extreme, but you have a point thereNot that extreme...? JCF right now is much better than Safin.

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:40 AM
Not that extreme...? JCF right now is much better than Safin.

JCF can only dream of just hitting 1 single forehand with the accuracy and power he used to. Safin is still capable at times of hitting as he used to, although it´s fair to say this is like an oasis in the desert, at least by now

Jimnik
01-21-2008, 10:40 AM
After his win over Kiefer I read in here his fh was in Gonzos league and Im not kidding
I thought they were comparing his old FH to Gonzo's FH.

In any case, it was a small minority, not tha majority of fans.

Jimnik
01-21-2008, 10:42 AM
Not that extreme...? JCF right now is much better than Safin.
Well you could argue at least Safin still tries to go for his shots. JCF, even now, is choosing too often to loop his shots in.

Rogiman
01-21-2008, 10:43 AM
Well you could argue at least Safin still tries to go for his shots. JCF, even now, is choosing too often to loop his shots in.Better than spraying balls like a moron

Voo de Mar
01-21-2008, 10:44 AM
Pics :yeah:

VolandriFan
01-21-2008, 10:46 AM
After his win over Kiefer I read in here his fh was in Gonzo´s league and I´m not kidding

If you're referring to my comments, then nice try. It's easy to make a vague reference with no backing. I was at both Ferrero's and Gonzalez' matches this week, and Ferrero's hardest forehands were in the region of Gonzalez (his relatively hard flat shots, not his absolute hardest). That is fact. And for the record, here is what I said.

He was really cranking those forehands. It's a weapon again, and some of his forehands were in the league of Gonzo's.

It used to be one of the biggest in the game, and it was floating around the general region of some of Gonzo's harder strokes. Not saying that JC's maximum > Fernando's. That would just be delusional.

SwiSha
01-21-2008, 10:49 AM
If you're referring to my comments, then nice try. It's easy to make a vague reference with no backing. I was at both Ferrero's and Gonzalez' matches this week, and Ferrero's hardest forehands were in the region of Gonzalez (his relatively hard flat shots, not his absolute hardest). That is fact. And for the record, here is what I said.

yeah yeah yeah and Volandri never fixed a match :retard:

well done Ferru

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:49 AM
I was at both Ferrero's and Gonzalez' matches this week, and Ferrero's hardest forehands were in the region of Gonzalez (his relatively hard flat shots, not his absolute hardest).

Simply comparing JCFs fh these days to Gonzos fh requires a big dose of idiocy. Congrats u legend

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 10:49 AM
yeah yeah yeah and Volandri never fixed a match :retard:

well done Ferru


:lol:

VolandriFan
01-21-2008, 10:54 AM
Simply comparing JCF´s fh these days to Gonzo´s fh requires a big dose of idiocy. Congrats u legend

That is very typical. When someone like you has no logical answer, they resort to insults or one liners.

Andre♥
01-21-2008, 10:54 AM
It's so funny to see Ferrer getting annoyed for committing an error even when he is up 2 sets and 2 breaks! :lol:

Well done Pics! Vamos! :yeah:

VolandriFan
01-21-2008, 10:55 AM
yeah yeah yeah and Volandri never fixed a match :retard:

well done Ferru

Call me when the investigation and charges are made. :wavey:

LeChuck
01-21-2008, 10:58 AM
Ferrer was the heavy favourite to win this match and I would have been very surprised that JCF been able to uspet the odds here. Ferrer was likely to be too tough for him.
JCF has made a good start to the season, winning 7 out of his first 9 matches, and he'll hopefully be a top 15 player next week :).

SwiSha
01-21-2008, 11:02 AM
Call me when the investigation and charges are made. :wavey:

personally i dont give a fuck if this piece of shit is getting convicted or anything because he is lowlife in the ATP, who has tops 1 highlight win in a year

but what does that say about you and how can anyone take you seriously with that username :retard: you know the truth an that is what matters

Volandrifan lmao

VolandriFan
01-21-2008, 11:11 AM
personally i dont give a fuck if this piece of shit is getting convicted or anything because he is lowlife in the ATP, who has tops 1 highlight win in a year

but what does that say about you and how can anyone take you seriously with that username :retard: you know the truth an that is what matters

Volandrifan lmao

:lol: So you're saying that someone shouldn't be taken seriously because they support a certain player? :spit: Isn't that a bit immature? Also, I don't think you should be insulting a top 40 guy for his poor results when there are millions of other budding players around the world hoping for a break. You're insulting them all in effect.

And no need to get aggressive, an entire committee should be able to put together a thorough investigation if fixing is such a huge problem in tennis. With tapped phone lines and betting pattern analysis, they'll catch him in no time. :yeah:

Ferrero Forever
01-21-2008, 11:14 AM
Yeah sucks that Ferrero lost. He really was in good form this week, and he's done brilliantly and I'm proud of him. And concerning Ferrero's forehand against Kiefer, it really was that good. Gonzo's forehand is phenomenal, but JC's was brilliant too. I mean, I don't think anyone has a forehand like 2007 AO Gonzo, but take my word for it, Ferrero's forehand was very very good during the Kiefer match. During the Jones and Nalbandian matches, Ferrero was good, but not great like he was when he played Kiefer. And yes I'm still hopeful that JC can win another title. If he keeps playing like he did against Kiefer, he's a real threat. And he's looking so so fit, he's really trained hard during the off season, and the results are paying off. Theres no shame in losing to Ferrer.

dijus
01-21-2008, 11:14 AM
good one, David :yeah:

sports freak
01-21-2008, 11:14 AM
:lol: So you're saying that someone shouldn't be taken seriously because they support a certain player? :spit: Isn't that a bit immature? Also, I don't think you should be insulting a top 40 guy for his poor results when there are millions of other budding players around the world hoping for a break. You're insulting them all in effect.

And no need to get aggressive, an entire committee should be able to put together a thorough investigation if fixing is such a huge problem in tennis. With tapped phone lines and betting pattern analysis, they'll catch him in no time. :yeah:

MTF police are watching his moves ;)

dijus
01-21-2008, 11:17 AM
Call me when the investigation and charges are made. :wavey:

:haha: u r very stubborn :lol:

SwiSha
01-21-2008, 11:20 AM
:lol: So you're saying that someone shouldn't be taken seriously because they support a certain player? :spit: Isn't that a bit immature? Also, I don't think you should be insulting a top 40 guy for his poor results when there are millions of other budding players around the world hoping for a break. You're insulting them all in effect.

And no need to get aggressive, an entire committee should be able to put together a thorough investigation if fixing is such a huge problem in tennis. With tapped phone lines and betting pattern analysis, they'll catch him in no time. :yeah:

Volandri is not a certain player, he is a SOB who betrays tennis anf his fans and yes i cant take u seriously if u support these kinda players, i think that makes sense, why is that immature?

anyway do not want to spend more time talking about scum like Volandri

it is Ferrers thread

VolandriFan
01-21-2008, 11:23 AM
:haha: u r very stubborn :lol:

:lol: Not really. I'm just a firm believer in the notion of innocent until proven guilty. If so many matches have been fixed as it is alleged, then why is there no conclusive evidence for the case?

VolandriFan
01-21-2008, 11:26 AM
Volandri is not a certain player, he is a SOB who betrays tennis anf his fans and yes i cant take u seriously if u support these kinda players, i think that makes sense, why is that immature?

anyway do not want to spend more time talking about scum like Volandri

it is Ferrers thread

Yes, true. It is Ferrer's thread and congratulations to him on his win. :worship: It's not the same as if JC won for me, but well done Ferru and good luck for the QF :hug:

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 11:37 AM
Yeah sucks that Ferrero lost. He really was in good form this week, and he's done brilliantly and I'm proud of him. And concerning Ferrero's forehand against Kiefer, it really was that good. Gonzo's forehand is phenomenal, but JC's was brilliant too. I mean, I don't think anyone has a forehand like 2007 AO Gonzo, but take my word for it, Ferrero's forehand was very very good during the Kiefer match. During the Jones and Nalbandian matches, Ferrero was good, but not great like he was when he played Kiefer. And yes I'm still hopeful that JC can win another title. If he keeps playing like he did against Kiefer, he's a real threat. And he's looking so so fit, he's really trained hard during the off season, and the results are paying off. Theres no shame in losing to Ferrer.


D E L U D E D

yomike
01-21-2008, 12:28 PM
I´m sorry for the deluded JCF¨s fans who said Ferrero was back at his best and for those who defended his fh was a weapon again. Back down to Earth. He got outplayed, outhit and overpowered by Ferrer.

Buen trabajo Torito :D

Ferrero will never be be the same again. True
Ferrer will never be as successful as Juan Carlos. Also True

DhammaTiger
01-21-2008, 12:46 PM
Juan Carlos :hug: :hug: :hug: Well played David, now I hope he makes it to the semis

Scotso
01-21-2008, 02:15 PM
David :banana:

too bad for JCF, though. I hope he continues playing well.

CyBorg
01-21-2008, 02:31 PM
Nalbandwagon sure made Ferrero look good.

cobalt60
01-21-2008, 02:45 PM
:banana:

RonE
01-21-2008, 02:53 PM
Well done Pics :yeah:

QF match with McNoleo should be a good one.

osalsyst
01-21-2008, 02:57 PM
I'm glad JCF won a set. I didn't think it would even be this close. Congrats to Ferrer who should really give Novak some trouble.

Haile Selassie
01-21-2008, 02:59 PM
Ferrer is playing really well. Great perfomance by Juan Carlos also, is showing some of his best tennis.

R.Federer
01-21-2008, 03:51 PM
Congratulations to Ferrer, AO QF is great and he may not be done.

It is great to see JCF playing well again and I hope he has a great year.

Bad Religion
01-21-2008, 04:26 PM
lol Ferrero has never had a massive fh kinda like Federer,Moya,Gonzalez,Acasuso,Tursunov,Berdych , calleri, and many other players. I do not know why many thinks so why many thinks so.

Pics is just too fast and consistent for Ferrero.

ReturnWiner discovered this sport during the RG 04 Final . Clear as water

I♥PsY@Mus!c
01-21-2008, 04:55 PM
Pics is too good.

Kill the joker in the next round! :rocker:

Merton
01-21-2008, 06:58 PM
Congrats to David, Ferrero was simply outran and outhit by a better player.

ChinoRios4Ever
01-21-2008, 07:47 PM
this Pics is good :smoke: :banana:

Mosquito :sad: :confused:

no doubt Pics = JCF Killa

ReturnWinner
01-21-2008, 08:10 PM
ReturnWiner discovered this sport during the RG 04 Final . Clear as water

and you have yet to discover it

stebs
01-21-2008, 08:59 PM
Ferrer played very well for a lot of this match and Ferrero just couldn't outhit him and when it came to grinding there was never a chance of JCF coming out on top.

Pics vs Nole could be a very good match.

Marek.
01-21-2008, 09:51 PM
Best start to the year for JCF in a while and losing to Pics in four sets is no shame. :yeah:

Good luck to David in the next round and hopefully this injury isn't too serious,.

Marek.
01-21-2008, 09:54 PM
Best start to the year for JCF in a while and losing to Pics in four sets is no shame. :yeah:

Good luck to David in the next round and hopefully this injury isn't serious.