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AO R4: Federer def. Berdych 6-4 7-6(7) 6-3

tennisgal_001
01-21-2008, 05:49 AM
Berdych had the second set on his racket but blew it. Federer played well enough to wrap it up in straights. Onto the QF :yeah:

Stensland
01-21-2008, 05:50 AM
this was truly never in doubt. if those two played more often, the czech would have a h2h just like roddick.

Marek.
01-21-2008, 05:51 AM
Never in doubt, especially Berdych blowing those set points.

scarecrows
01-21-2008, 05:51 AM
nothing special in Fed's game, Berdych gifted him the 2nd set, but he's glad to go through in straights after the tough 3d round match

hra87
01-21-2008, 05:51 AM
I'm sure blake'll take his chances!!!

I hope JCF gets to the semis and gives us a decent match.

tennizen
01-21-2008, 05:52 AM
Berdych another big candidate for mug of the month

bokehlicious
01-21-2008, 05:52 AM
I'm sure blake'll take his chances!!!

Sure...

nobama
01-21-2008, 05:53 AM
Roger :yeah:

Berdych in the 2nd set TB: :o :tape:

Langers
01-21-2008, 05:53 AM
Federer not playing well at all.

Berdych played like a champ up until 5-1 in the tiebreak. Then his usual self came back. He's an idiot.

Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer at this AO. It's his.

Tennis Fool
01-21-2008, 05:53 AM
Bad loss that had me LOL.

I actually think Blake has a chance against Federer, esp. if it warms up.

ChinoRios4Ever
01-21-2008, 05:54 AM
lucky one Fed Truba :o

monumental and silly choke by Berdman in the 2nd :smash:

Allez
01-21-2008, 05:54 AM
Mh...not what I expected at all. Can we write Tomas off as a metal midget ? Though Rogi won, he's gonna have to play much better to beat a resurgent James Blake in the quarters. Still a win is a win. Next round.

Stensland
01-21-2008, 05:54 AM
I'm sure blake'll take his chances!!!

uhm...yeah, right. http://addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/verwirrt/uglyconfused.gif

stzenit
01-21-2008, 05:54 AM
Berdych :timebomb:

Federer Djokovic semi will be good!!

neenah
01-21-2008, 05:54 AM
Roger happy to get off the court in straight sets. :rolls:

He looked a little annoyed at times but he did what he had to do to win. Good luck against Blake. :D

A_Rod
01-21-2008, 05:54 AM
Without playing a fantastic tennis, FedEx won.

Berdych didn't take advantage of 2 important points in the 2nd set tiebreak and paid the consecuences.

Voo de Mar
01-21-2008, 05:57 AM
Berdych has become an useless player at 6:6 in the tie-break :o

Greenday
01-21-2008, 05:57 AM
Federer not playing well at all.

Berdych played like a champ up until 5-1 in the tiebreak. Then his usual self came back. He's an idiot.

Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer at this AO. It's his.


Oh yeah.....exactly whom did he beat this AO for you to make tht prediction......u seem to be really unhappy tht fed won....hahaha

Marek.
01-21-2008, 05:58 AM
Federer not playing well at all.

Berdych played like a champ up until 5-1 in the tiebreak. Then his usual self came back. He's an idiot.

Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer at this AO. It's his.

Nadal hasn't been spectacular either. :shrug:

I don't think either of them wins it.

FedFan_2007
01-21-2008, 05:59 AM
LOL@Fed playing wheelchair tennis.

Bremen
01-21-2008, 06:00 AM
Federer did hit some amazing shots here and there, but he missed a lot off his forehand....

Still, a win is a win!

krystlel
01-21-2008, 06:01 AM
The second set was good tennis from Berdych, except for those two missed set points. This match could have been far more interesting than it turned out to be had Berdych won that second set.

calvinhobbes
01-21-2008, 06:07 AM
A day in office. Fair rest after Tip-aviator-zarevich´s ordeal. Berdych looked somewhat insidious, but fell apart in the TB. Vamos Rogelio.:worship::worship::worship:

DDrago2
01-21-2008, 06:07 AM
It was a strangely casual-looking match, with Federer irritated for some reason (not because of what was happening on the court it seems)

Berdych showed that he is also a fragile player, very agressive and powerfull, but who knows to unfold if the oponent is consistent enough and can live with his first attacks (serve etc).

Langers
01-21-2008, 06:08 AM
Nadal hasn't been spectacular either. :shrug:

I don't think either of them wins it.
You're not watching him then. He's been brilliant, except for a somewhat slow start to this first game. Gilies was playing unreal and he still beat him in straight sets.

Skyward
01-21-2008, 06:08 AM
Berdych played like a champ up until 5-1 in the tiebreak. Then his usual self came back. He's an idiot.

Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer at this AO.

Oh, yes. Never in doubt.

All Nadal's opponents before the SF<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Berdych, the idiot.

sawan66278
01-21-2008, 06:09 AM
The drop shot on set point by Berdych.:eek::eek::eek::help::help::tape::tape::ha ha::haha::haha:

To err is human, to choke is Berdych.

hra87
01-21-2008, 06:12 AM
I don't think we can really judge Nadal until after Youzhny (and I expect we won't be praising him very highly then).

NYCtennisfan
01-21-2008, 06:12 AM
As long as Berdych doesn't have the ability to move along the baseline, he will not be able to trouble Fed all that much. Berd actually served and hit the ball really well the first two sets but failed to take his chances.

As for Federer, he didn't play great tennis, but he didn't need to. He still hit about 30 more winners than errors.

Chiseller
01-21-2008, 06:14 AM
federer managed to play worse than vs tipsarevic. if berdych had tipsis mental strength he would have won.
whats going on with federer atm? im not scared of blake but djokovic, he'll trash him if he keeps on playing like that.

Marek.
01-21-2008, 06:14 AM
You're not watching him then. He's been brilliant, except for a somewhat slow start to this first game. Gilies was playing unreal and he still beat him in straight sets.

Yeah, I have watched him and I haven't been impressed. He did play great to save those set points at *4-5 against Simon but he mostly just wore him down.

Blondie1985
01-21-2008, 06:15 AM
You're not watching him then. He's been brilliant, except for a somewhat slow start to this first game.

ROFL

Rumour
01-21-2008, 06:16 AM
Solid performance from Fed but he's rather fortunate to have wrapped it up in three instead of four (or more) sets :) He was definitely in a hissy mood today but I actually like it when he gets a bit annoyed and irritated at times - as long as he doesn't stay preoccupied by whatever caused it and let it become a big a distraction - because it seems to give his game a bit more edge, especially when things aren't going as smoothly as the No. 1 would like.

As for Roger's discussion with the chair umpire in French earlier on, I love how the ESPN version of events differed from that of the Australian commentators on the livestream :rolleyes: PMac and Co. totally twisted it in order to make him look bad by stating as fact (rather than even implying) that Fed was annoyed at a Berdych serve he thought was out and felt the umpire should have overruled - not just because he didn't want to challenge it and hates Hawkeye but because he believes he's somehow 'above' the whole challenge system :o

Contrast that with the Aussie perspective - apparently at least one of them understood what was being said and explained that Fed actually thought there should have been a let on the Czech's serve because it flicked the net and the point should therefore be replayed. However, according to the umpire, the machine never reacted so he couldn't do anything about it. AFAIK that's not a situation where Fed could ask for a Hawkeye review, whether or not he wanted to.

Stensland
01-21-2008, 06:18 AM
federer managed to play worse than vs tipsarevic.

i didn't think it was that bad. the unforced errors are due to berdych's powerful strokes which everyone on tour has problems with, even roger, who, unlike most, even tries to counterpunch instead of just getting the balls back in play.

Marek.
01-21-2008, 06:18 AM
As for Roger's discussion with the chair umpire in French earlier on, I love how the ESPN version of events differed with that of the Australian commentators on the livestream :rolleyes: PMac and Co. totally twisted it in order to make him look bad by stating as fact (rather than even implying) that Fed was annoyed at a Berdych serve he thought was out and felt the umpire should have overruled - not just because he didn't want to challenge it and hates Hawkeye but because he believss he's above the whole challenge system :o

Contrast that with the Aussie perspective - apparently at least one of them understood what was being said and explained that Fed actually thought there should have been a let on the Czech's serve because it flicked the net and the point should therefore be replayed. However, according to the umpire, the machine never reacted so he couldn't do anything about it. AFIK that's not a situation where Fed could ask for a Hawkeye review, whether or not he wanted to.

:lol: That's ESPN for you.

hra87
01-21-2008, 06:19 AM
Yeah, I have watched him and I haven't been impressed. He did play great to save those set points at *4-5 against Simon but he mostly just wore him down.

At the end of that set he started playing great, going for the lines, hitting a few aces even...then he went back to his usual self.

Kip
01-21-2008, 06:20 AM
Nice. :D

Savo
01-21-2008, 06:24 AM
Federer has no chance against Superman Blake. We all know that Fed is his bitch...

Stensland
01-21-2008, 06:29 AM
i have a short question reg. berdych: is he really 9-0 in 5-set-matches? eurosport said that and i couldn't believe my ears and though i was still dreaming. is that true?

Marek.
01-21-2008, 06:33 AM
i have a short question reg. berdych: is he really 9-0 in 5-set-matches? eurosport said that and i couldn't believe my ears and though i was still dreaming. is that true?

Yes

TMJordan
01-21-2008, 06:34 AM
Never in doubt for Federer.

Berdych will never reach his full potential if he doesn't find a way to get stronger mentally.

leng jai
01-21-2008, 06:34 AM
i have a short question reg. berdych: is he really 9-0 in 5-set-matches? eurosport said that and i couldn't believe my ears and though i was still dreaming. is that true?

Against some top opposition as well.

luzkoz
01-21-2008, 06:41 AM
Despite not playing up to his standards, Federer won...so..yeah...congrats

Rumour
01-21-2008, 06:42 AM
:lol: That's ESPN for you.
Well it's one thing to speculate over what Federer was annoyed about - plus how he feels about Hawkeye is not exactly a secret - but to spin it as fact the way they did... Even though they only dwelled on it for a couple of minutes at most, I believe that's at least 1:45 min. more than the ESPN folk spent on Roddick's disgraceful behaviour (especially towards the umpire) in his match against Kohlschreiber. Of course, one could rationalize that the American's display of bad attitude was nothing new (even though I personally believe it's the worst I've ever seen him act on such a public stage) while even the slightest display of any emotion from the FedBot warrants microscopic examination.

mickymouse
01-21-2008, 06:42 AM
i have a short question reg. berdych: is he really 9-0 in 5-set-matches? eurosport said that and i couldn't believe my ears and though i was still dreaming. is that true?
The irony of it is mind-boggling, isn't it?

Magus13
01-21-2008, 06:45 AM
Federer not playing well at all.

Berdych played like a champ up until 5-1 in the tiebreak. Then his usual self came back. He's an idiot.

Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer at this AO. It's his.

Shhhhhhhhhh :devil:

Rumour
01-21-2008, 06:48 AM
i have a short question reg. berdych: is he really 9-0 in 5-set-matches? eurosport said that and i couldn't believe my ears and though i was still dreaming. is that true?

Yes

Against some top opposition as well.
Wow :eek: While I knew Berdych had a good five-set record, I didn't realize or remember it was actually perfect.. Then again, how many of those long encounters could he have finished off sooner, and how many others that could have gone the distance ended earlier because of big mistakes at crucial moments like those he made today?

Rogiman
01-21-2008, 07:06 AM
I said before the tournament even began it was Nadal's to lose.

Nothing has changed.

Corey Feldman
01-21-2008, 07:12 AM
Fed (142) jumps ahead of Borg (141) in GS match wins - 9th on the list i believe.

wonder if Blake will rollover for him, as usual :p

R.Federer
01-21-2008, 07:20 AM
i have a short question reg. berdych: is he really 9-0 in 5-set-matches? eurosport said that and i couldn't believe my ears and though i was still dreaming. is that true?

Yes, he has the best 5 set record going.

But one bad stat I learned was that he is something like 0-10 (now 0-11) against Top ten players in GS.

RonE
01-21-2008, 07:29 AM
The Ego King got lucky again.

It is really so unfair that he has such a cakewalk draw while Rafito has such a tough tough road on his side.

If he would have had poor Rafito's draw he would have been eliminated in the first round and would have been exposed for the fraudulent transitional champ that he is.

Lucky lucky bastard.

Deea
01-21-2008, 07:54 AM
The ending of the second set was so frustrating...:sobbing: And Tomas really played high quality tennis!!! The second set was a pleasure to watch if you don't count those points from 5-1 on in the TB :rolleyes:

tennisgal_001
01-21-2008, 07:54 AM
federer managed to play worse than vs tipsarevic. if berdych had tipsis mental strength he would have won.
whats going on with federer atm? im not scared of blake but djokovic, he'll trash him if he keeps on playing like that.

Are you kidding? What match were YOU watching? :rolleyes:

Rogiman
01-21-2008, 07:57 AM
He played well against Tipsy and he played well against Tomas, otherwise he would already be out.

Stop discrediting Fed's opponents, those are quality players, unlike the clowns Nadal has faced in the tourney so far.

ZakMcCrack
01-21-2008, 08:00 AM
Federer not playing well at all.

Berdych played like a champ up until 5-1 in the tiebreak. Then his usual self came back. He's an idiot.

Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer at this AO. It's his.

Yeah, at first give this Nadal a worthy opponent and then we'll see....Federer's draw >>>>>>> Nadal's draw ;-)

dijus
01-21-2008, 08:00 AM
:lol: at Berdych perfromance in 2nd set TB

Bilbo
01-21-2008, 08:39 AM
expected straight sets win by Federer :yeah:

HNCS
01-21-2008, 08:39 AM
jsut a pleasant, solid match. nothing too special. nice.

Bilbo
01-21-2008, 08:41 AM
Mh...not what I expected at all. Can we write Tomas off as a metal midget ?

took you a few years to realize that

Chiseller
01-21-2008, 08:57 AM
He played well against Tipsy and he played well against Tomas, otherwise he would already be out.

Stop discrediting Fed's opponents, those are quality players, unlike the clowns Nadal has faced in the tourney so far.

The only reason he came through was his serve, that's all. He surely didn't play well. His forehand was unsteady and his backhand was inexistent.
Nothing against tipsi, he's on of my fav players and I was stunned by his performance especially his mental strength. And no, he didn't lose because federer was the better man, surely not.

The difference between these 2 matches was the serve, it didn't work nearly as good as against tipsarevic, hence his performance was worse.

Are you kidding? What match were YOU watching? :rolleyes:
Same question goes to you.

Apemant
01-21-2008, 09:12 AM
Are you kidding? What match were YOU watching? :rolleyes:

There wasn't the 5th set drama so ppl automatically assume the match wasn't so 'good'.

While in fact Rog played WAY better (but still nothing special) than against Tipsy. I'd even say, if Tipsy beat Fed a couple of days ago, Tomas would've dismantled him with ease the way he was playing today (minus the choking, which probably wouldn't happen against someone else that Fed).

Lunaris
01-21-2008, 10:25 AM
Well ok, it was always going to end like this.

garad
01-21-2008, 11:27 AM
The only reason he came through was his serve, that's all. He surely didn't play well. His forehand was unsteady and his backhand was inexistent.
Nothing against tipsi, he's on of my fav players and I was stunned by his performance especially his mental strength. And no, he didn't lose because federer was the better man, surely not.

The difference between these 2 matches was the serve, it didn't work nearly as good as against tipsarevic, hence his performance was worse.


Same question goes to you.

Tell that to Pete Sampras, expert.

You obviously dislike Fed, but facts cannot be denied and facts say that he hit 100 winners in that match, broke Tipsy more time than he himself was broken, won more games etc. People talk about choking, so if Fed didn't choke away that game at 5-3 when serving for the first set, he'd won in straits.

VolandriFan
01-21-2008, 11:37 AM
Exact outcome I predicted, only not to the extreme. Tomas did give away the match in three sets with unforced errors, but it was mainly a certain 2 unforced errors. ;)

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 11:39 AM
Way to blow that 2nd set you fucking tool Tomas :retard:

bokehlicious
01-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Way to blow that 2nd set you fucking tool Tomas :retard:

:hug: :hug: :awww:

Bilbo
01-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Way to blow that 2nd set you fucking tool Tomas :retard:

you start to dislike him. i like that.

t0x
01-21-2008, 11:44 AM
Good match :)

Tomas really should have won the second, but I'm sure overall he'll be happy with that performance, he played well. Fed wasn't at his best, but a hell of a lot better than against Tipsy.

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 11:46 AM
you start to dislike him. i like that.

:haha:

Nah, I like his game a lot, but I recongnise he acted like a fucking idiot in that tie break, it was a chokefest at its finest

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 11:48 AM
Good match :)

Tomas really should have won the second, but I'm sure overall he'll be happy with that performance, he played well. Fed wasn't at his best, but a hell of a lot better than against Tipsy.

I´m sure Navratil is not happy and neither should be him.

Mechlan
01-21-2008, 11:52 AM
Looked like they were both trying to give away that second set. Tomas still has a lot to learn and I'm not sure he'll ever learn it. :(

Deivid23
01-21-2008, 11:54 AM
Looked like they were both trying to give away that second set. Tomas still has a lot to learn and I'm not sure he'll ever learn it. :(

Yes, I definetely gave Tomas today the unscratchable label of "looks like you´ll never learn"

juninhOH
01-21-2008, 11:56 AM
Some people here don't watch tennis? It's not that when Federer has a hard fought match that he didn't play well! Federer played very well, it's just that during 1st and 2nd sets Berdych was serving unbelievable, and hitting very deep and strong forehands.

Federer was aiming his shots very well, except for a very few times he threw it in Berdych's hands, and he barely made stupid mistakes too, like that Smash when he got broke in 2nd set.

Federer is getting hard matches because he is getting pushed, not because he didn't play well. Actually, vs Tipsarevic he didn't play well, but against Berdych he did, and very well!

His serve stepped down a bit in the game vs Berdych, but Berdych is also taller and could read Federer's service better than Tipsarevic.

I just can't wait to see Federer vs Djokovic, because Djoko is going to sweep away Ferrer, just like Federer is goign to do with Blake.

Mechlan
01-21-2008, 12:00 PM
Yes, I definetely gave Tomas today the unscratchable label of "looks like you´ll never learn"

You would think he would come away learning something from their DC match but today was the same scenario, same result.

Chiseller
01-21-2008, 12:14 PM
aww. you fucking fanboys, not everything that roger produces is marvelous.
ive been following his career for a long long time, years before he beat sampras. i know what i am talking about so suck me :devil::lol:

scoobs
01-21-2008, 12:17 PM
This result should surprise no-one - nor should the way it came about - Tomas blowing chances.

YEMI
01-21-2008, 12:22 PM
Good job champ. 3 more to go

Shabazza
01-21-2008, 12:51 PM
aww. you fucking fanboys, not everything that roger produces is marvelous.
ive been following his career for a long long time, years before he beat sampras. i know what i am talking about so suck me :devil::lol:

So 63% first serves in
75% first serve and 74% 2nd serve points won
11 aces to 1 DF
45 winners to 17 UE's

is paying bad for you and worse than against Tipsarevic, where he had 64 UE's 4 times as many as he had in this match?! Yeah, you clearly know what you're talking about...:rolleyes:

sawan66278
01-21-2008, 01:20 PM
If I have to hear about 64 unforced errors from Fed vs. Tip, I will puke. Do these people realize that the match was a five-set match, 10-8 in the fifth? That averages out to a little 12 unforced errors a set...big deal...look at the winners to unforced errors...and, as many have stated, what exactly is an unforced error.

Federer has played well the last two matches...not at his best, but well. Give credit to the fact that players are taking it him. Sorry, Fedtards, just because, God forbid, he doesn't create a virtuoso performance every time DOES NOT mean he is not playing well.

Byrd
01-21-2008, 01:31 PM
A wins a win, you guys should know Federer doesn't start stepping it up before the QF's of a slam.

dragons112
01-21-2008, 01:39 PM
Look at the match stats. Roger was playing rather well

Shabazza
01-21-2008, 01:51 PM
If I have to hear about 64 unforced errors from Fed vs. Tip, I will puke. Do these people realize that the match was a five-set match, 10-8 in the fifth? That averages out to a little 12 unforced errors a set...big deal...look at the winners to unforced errors...and, as many have stated, what exactly is an unforced error.


My point still stands 17 winners over 3 sets = 6 per set - 64 over 5 sets = 13 per set.
Double the amount of erorrs from Fed per set against Tipsarevic than he had in this match. It was a way better performance from Federer (except the serve) than in his last match. I never stated that Fed played bad against Tipsarevic, but he played clearly better today and Chiseller made it look like he was as bad or even worse than agianst Tipsarevic, which is just wrong.

Federer has played well the last two matches...not at his best, but well. Give credit to the fact that players are taking it him. Sorry, Fedtards, just because, God forbid, he doesn't create a virtuoso performance every time DOES NOT mean he is not playing well.
Many have stated how well and focused Tipsarevic played. No one, except clueless trolls and tards (you know, those who are in every fanbase) claimed that:
"Federer would've wiped the court with those two, if he even managed to play 60% of his ability" Because that's exactly what you are implying with your last sentence in this post...

garad
01-21-2008, 02:08 PM
If I have to hear about 64 unforced errors from Fed vs. Tip, I will puke. Do these people realize that the match was a five-set match, 10-8 in the fifth? That averages out to a little 12 unforced errors a set...big deal...look at the winners to unforced errors...and, as many have stated, what exactly is an unforced error.

Federer has played well the last two matches...not at his best, but well. Give credit to the fact that players are taking it him. Sorry, Fedtards, just because, God forbid, he doesn't create a virtuoso performance every time DOES NOT mean he is not playing well.

Exactly, best post of the thread.

osalsyst
01-21-2008, 03:04 PM
Nice drop shot Berdy!

Good to see Fed get an easy win.

Haile Selassie
01-21-2008, 03:16 PM
Good win :yeah:
I thought that it would be a little more hard to beat Berdych but Roger play a good match.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
01-21-2008, 04:58 PM
No surprise :yawn:

Chiseller
01-21-2008, 05:07 PM
hey I♥PsY@Mus!c, can you tell me what that gesture of tipsarovic means (your avatar)? im so curious, havent found an answer yet! if im correct i saw hewitt doing the same.

RagingLamb
01-21-2008, 05:12 PM
Berdych gave deserved to be shot for those drop shots. I liked the comment from Bud that guys that he plays against hit shots like that.

Anyhow, if he gets his act together he may get a win from Fed before Fed retires.

Apemant
01-21-2008, 05:17 PM
If I have to hear about 64 unforced errors from Fed vs. Tip, I will puke. Do these people realize that the match was a five-set match, 10-8 in the fifth? That averages out to a little 12 unforced errors a set...big deal...look at the winners to unforced errors...and, as many have stated, what exactly is an unforced error.

Think again, of course that 64 UEs aren't that many for a LONG 5-setter, but neither are 57 winners (96 total - 39 aces). Either way, it's obvious that Federer played a very passive game, with very few winners and even a little more UEs than winners - in other words, he played poorly for his standards. There's no escaping the facts.

While in this match, he produced 34 winners (didn't count aces) to 17 UEs. Here, I'll extract the important bits of info conveniently into separate lines -

57W - 64 UE
34W - 17 UE

Read those lines, say, five times and tell me which performance was better? Those are plain numbers; to me they aren't even neccessary as I've seen those matches and I know Federer played much better vs. Birdman than vs. Tipsy. But I guess my opinion doesn't mean much, so how do you explain the numbers alone?

And let me repeat: I'm not saying that Federer should, or even CAN produce nothing short of magical tennis every time he steps on the court. Of course there will be ups and downs, it's normal, it's inevitable, it's no excuse, everyone is more or less like that. All I'm saying is that Tipsy match was one of those 'down' days, nothing more.

Rogieva
01-21-2008, 05:19 PM
Next.

R.Federer
01-21-2008, 07:01 PM
My point still stands 17 winners over 3 sets = 6 per set - 64 over 5 sets = 13 per set.
Double the amount of erorrs from Fed per set against Tipsarevic than he had in this match. It was a way better performance from Federer (except the serve) than in his last match. I never stated that Fed played bad against Tipsarevic, but he played clearly better today and Chiseller made it look like he was as bad or even worse than agianst Tipsarevic, which is just wrong. ...


It's hard to directly translate winners/UE from one match to another because it also depends on the number of games played in a set, the number of breakers played, and points played in each tiebreak.

Comparing a match which includes a 6-1 set to another where the closest set is 6-4, well the winners per set may be the same but the winners per game is clearly better in one. Thus, I would agree more with sawan6739303030 that when commentators go on about "38 aces, Federer's highest ever in a match" it is telling only part of the story.

Apemant
01-21-2008, 07:16 PM
Comparing a match which includes a 6-1 set to another where the closest set is 6-4, well the winners per set may be the same but the winners per game is clearly better in one.

Yes, and that one is the Berdych match. Because, while it is true that the Tipsy match had one 6-1 set, while the shortest one in the Birdman's match was 6-3 (and not 6-4 like you said :devil:), it is also true that the Tipsy match had two tiebreaks (and the average tiebreak is longer than the average game) and ALSO a 10-8 set which clearly more than compensates for the 6-1 one.

In fact, why not look at the number of games: 63 in the Tipsy match, 32 here. It's almost DOUBLE. Or, if you go on about the number of points? Easy, the number of points was 375 in the Tipsy match, 190 here; again, almost double. So if the Tipsy match was about the same length, Fed's statistics would've been 29 winners+20 aces and 32 UEs. While in this one he was 34 winners+11 aces and 17 UEs. So the numbers confirm the overall impression that Federer played poorly and served amazingly in the Tipsy match, whereas against Birdman he didn't serve as good but had way better winner/UE ratio, i.e. played a better tennis.

Fired Up!
01-21-2008, 07:16 PM
Great Match from Roger. :yeah:

Tomas. :sad: Had he taken hte 2nd set breaker, it may have gona different.

Merton
01-21-2008, 07:21 PM
Tomas was the better player in the 2nd set, in fact it was an excellent tiebreak up until *6-5, with Berdych to serve. Then came the dropshot... :o A pity, Roger would still win but it would make for a better match.

Eden
01-21-2008, 07:59 PM
Glad Roger came through in 3 sets :)

Tomas, bad luck to be in Rogers draw. Good luck for the rest of the season.

DwyaneWade
01-21-2008, 08:04 PM
Glad Roger came through in 3 sets :)

Tomas, bad luck to be in Rogers draw. Good luck for the rest of the season.

Bad luck but he has choked a few times all over himselves at this stage of the slams. Losses to Blake, Davydenko, Roddick in 4R are unacceptable if you want to be a top-10 player. Plus that loss to Nadal in Wimbledon last year (his only GS QF) was uninspired.

ReturnWinner
01-21-2008, 08:17 PM
Bad luck but he has choked a few times all over himselves at this stage of the slams. Losses to Blake, Davydenko, Roddick in 4R are unacceptable if you want to be a top-10 player. Plus that loss to Nadal in Wimbledon last year (his only GS QF) was uninspired.

he did not choke in any of all those matches except the first set against roddick a match where he retired anyway

Yappa
01-21-2008, 08:20 PM
Berdych hit a couple of nice running fh DTL winners and tried going for the bh DTL return winners, whenever Federer was using the out wide kick serve as 2nd serve option on the Adv side. Too bad that he blew that 2nd set TB.

stebs
01-21-2008, 08:45 PM
Good win for Federer and a shame Berdych couldn't take the second and make this closer but realistically Federer was never losing this match.

calvinhobbes
01-22-2008, 01:02 AM
Yes, and that one is the Berdych match. Because, while it is true that the Tipsy match had one 6-1 set, while the shortest one in the Birdman's match was 6-3 (and not 6-4 like you said :devil:), it is also true that the Tipsy match had two tiebreaks (and the average tiebreak is longer than the average game) and ALSO a 10-8 set which clearly more than compensates for the 6-1 one.

In fact, why not look at the number of games: 63 in the Tipsy match, 32 here. It's almost DOUBLE. Or, if you go on about the number of points? Easy, the number of points was 375 in the Tipsy match, 190 here; again, almost double. So if the Tipsy match was about the same length, Fed's statistics would've been 29 winners+20 aces and 32 UEs. While in this one he was 34 winners+11 aces and 17 UEs. So the numbers confirm the overall impression that Federer played poorly and served amazingly in the Tipsy match, whereas against Birdman he didn't serve as good but had way better winner/UE ratio, i.e. played a better tennis.

I propose the Calvin indicator: #of aces/#of points served. Maybe this could enlighten this discussion . . . . or maybe not.:cool::cool::cool:

DwyaneWade
01-22-2008, 01:17 AM
he did not choke in any of all those matches except the first set against roddick a match where he retired anyway

He didn't show up for the Blake match, he should have won the first set against Roddick, and he had plenty of chances against Davydenko. Against Nadal he just lost his focus after the first set. He has a set a pattern like it or not and maybe it is not choking but it is something. He is better player technically than those results indicate.

Apemant
01-22-2008, 10:22 AM
I propose the Calvin indicator: #of aces/#of points served. Maybe this could enlighten this discussion . . . . or maybe not.:cool::cool::cool:

Okay, let's calculate the Calvin indicator (tm) of those matches:

Federer vs. Tipsarevic: 39/168 = 23.21%, or 39/107 = 36.45% (1st serve only)
Federer vs. Berdych: 11/94 = 11.7%, or 11/59 = 18.64% (1st serve only)

Of course, it definitely has something to do with the opponent as well. Berdych has longer arms and it could be harder to ace him, even though most of those 'would be aces' are still probably service winners, which is just as good but the stats don't show it.

In fact, the usual stats are way too incomprehensive for my taste. A winner is just a shot which the opponent couldn't touch. But for me, an obvious forced error which the opponent managed only to graze with the frame of his racquet, sending it into the public, is just as good. A service winner likewise touched in a futile manner is just as good as an ace. And even UEs aren't always the same. There are UEs which result from a high risk game, trying to hit winners, and then there are UEs which are just poor shots. Therefore, I would like to know the number of
- aces,
- service winners,
- winners (baseline FH, baseline BH, drive volleys, slice volleys, stop volleys, overhead smashes, drop shots, lobs, FH passing shots, BH passing shots - each in its own category)
- completely forced errors ('near winners')
- aggresive UEs (close misses due to high-risk game)
- passive/stupid UEs/misshits (these are the ones that leave the impression of a 'poor match' for me)


... now THAT would be statictics to my liking :devil: