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Is 2008 Nikolay Davydenko's Downfall?

Kolya
01-21-2008, 01:52 AM
Is 2008 the year that Davydenko starts to fall down the rankings out of the top 10?

For me I believe it is, Davydenko looks physically and mentally in pain. He has so many points to defend as well. But there is a huge gap from 4 to 10 though.

I hope its not but who knows?

TMJordan
01-21-2008, 01:54 AM
Yes.

Byrd
01-21-2008, 01:57 AM
Maybe, the fact he plays shitloads of tournaments and doesn't rest enough is always going to come back and haunt him, and the situation with the ATP is just aggravating and speeding up the process.

adee-gee
01-21-2008, 01:59 AM
His downfall began when he agreed to fix matches :shrug:

Kolya
01-21-2008, 02:01 AM
His downfall began when he agreed to fix matches :shrug:

That is true, he hasn't really played that well since the FO.

Corey Feldman
01-21-2008, 02:04 AM
hope so

Snowwy
01-21-2008, 02:05 AM
The thing about him is that he doesnt really have a big amount of points to begin in any specific week, like Gonzalez last year kinda. He has points spread through the season.

He already has a SF this year. At the AO he had a QF to defend and he got what, 4th round? I think.

He has only 2 Masters series SFs and one other SF.

Kolya
01-21-2008, 02:08 AM
The thing about him is that he doesnt really have a big amount of points to begin in any specific week, like Gonzalez last year kinda. He has points spread through the season.

He already has a SF this year. At the AO he had a QF to defend and he got what, 4th round? I think.

He has only 2 Masters series SFs and one other SF.

How about the FO and UO semi finals and plus Moscow win?

Snowwy
01-21-2008, 02:20 AM
How about the FO and UO semi finals and plus Moscow win?

I dont think he will have any problem defending them two finals and I did mention the moscow win as one of his optionals. With him playing every week you have to think he'll win one tournament.

DDrago2
01-21-2008, 02:49 AM
His downfall began when he agreed to fix matches :shrug:

that is when his notority began. Before he was considered a non-recognisable tennis player and now he is known as a match-fixer

P.S. it seems some of us are more loved and respected as bad guys

nateyang
01-21-2008, 03:15 AM
No way. The guy still played solid tennis in the first 3 rounds before falling to Youzhny - who is on fire at the moment. Granted he has a lot of points to defend at FO and USO, he still can gain a lot of points at the Masters.

DartMarcus
01-21-2008, 05:01 AM
Everybody who doesn't defend his aus open points, is in downfall:)

A_Rod
01-21-2008, 05:47 AM
I hope so. :)

Voo de Mar
01-21-2008, 06:00 AM
I hope so :yeah: I feel tired and bored when I see him on the court.

ChinoRios4Ever
01-21-2008, 06:01 AM
depend of how he plays the big ones

R16 in AO isnt bad

he plays a lot of MM events, surely he will get many points there

stzenit
01-21-2008, 06:02 AM
He will stay in the top 10 this year.

Stensland
01-21-2008, 06:03 AM
i hope so!

optimism
01-21-2008, 06:10 AM
I guess I am the only person here who believes that he's innocent and it's really unfair for him to go through all these without given the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a very good player and wish him all the best. How many of you dislike him because of his look? what comes around goes around i hope.

DDrago2
01-21-2008, 06:18 AM
He will stay in the top 10 this year.

I would second this, I expecialy feel he could do well on clay this season

Leo
01-21-2008, 08:06 AM
No, he's too good. And he always peaks in New York!

Bilbo
01-21-2008, 08:46 AM
i hope so

clandis
01-21-2008, 10:52 AM
I think he feels persecuted, which may spoil his concentration. It won't be surprising if his ranking falls, but he will probably stay top ten.

sports freak
01-21-2008, 11:02 AM
Is he injured?cos his not serving or moving like he used to be that's for sure!!Bilbo's grandma can serve and move better atm!!

SwiSha
01-21-2008, 11:06 AM
look forward seeing him in Sopot... fixing legend

azza
01-21-2008, 11:25 AM
Nuh he stay top 10 he doesnt care for MM tournamnets but get him in Masters Series and Grand Slams and hes a machine

Cat123
01-21-2008, 12:05 PM
One can only hope... It's about time he gets over his "everyone's out to get me" frame of mind or he'll be going down!

freeandlonely
01-21-2008, 12:31 PM
ATM I just hope he out of top 4 asap
I want to see a new NO.4 seed in a GS.

TheBoiledEgg
01-21-2008, 02:17 PM
LMAO

who's gonna replace him
someone like Muzza
1r AO :rolls: :tape:

Mĺnu
01-21-2008, 03:26 PM
He still is a very good consistent player, he'll be in the top10 but maybe no more in the top5.

*Ljubica*
01-21-2008, 03:56 PM
I honestly don't know how he's continuing to play at all, with all these allegations hanging over his head. Although most people on here have already tried and convicted him :rolleyes: there is no solid proof - certainly not enough for the ATP to act upon, so if you believe in the motto of "innocent until proven guilty", he is playing under the most tremendous strain, and it's no wonder that his mind doesn't seem to be 100% on his tennis.

I am not particularly a fan of his, but neither do I dislike him. He is a very talented player for sure, and he works hard. I wish him well in the future, and hope he can shake off all these pressures and remain in the Top 10 at least.

shotgun
01-21-2008, 04:41 PM
He probably won't ever be #3 again, but it will take a while for others to kick him off the top 10. Not enough depth at the moment.

Horatio Caine
01-21-2008, 06:19 PM
What is this obsession with Davydenko falling away? He is playing fewer tournaments this year, so it is likely he will drop away a little, but he is still playing top 10 tennis.

forbiddenfruit
01-21-2008, 07:16 PM
Gosh i hope so. But if he does make the show courts, i'll need to find a new way to send myself to sleep. *sigh*

Kolya
01-21-2008, 10:48 PM
What is this obsession with Davydenko falling away? He is playing fewer tournaments this year, so it is likely he will drop away a little, but he is still playing top 10 tennis.

Believe me I don't want him to fall.

Andi-M
01-21-2008, 11:23 PM
He'll definately 100% drop out of top 5
But he may remain in top ten ranked 9 or 10 by the end of the year.

ivankg
01-21-2008, 11:28 PM
Not so fast, but certainly not in top 5 from mid of 2008.

stebs
01-21-2008, 11:41 PM
I think he has had his final year in the top 5 but he will remain 8-12 in all likelihood, he is too good to drop any further.

Snowwy
01-22-2008, 12:04 AM
depend of how he plays the big ones

R16 in AO isnt bad

he plays a lot of MM events, surely he will get many points there

Thing is, he really didnt last year, so I dont think hell go down a lot, he should be able to make up the 100 he lost here with his optionals.

Adler
04-07-2008, 06:35 PM
* BUMP *

No need to worry that much Kolya :)

jasmin
04-07-2008, 06:37 PM
It's funny to see these prediction threads. Now I like Davy but I wasn't what I would call a fan. Really, I think he was just going through something with all these allegations. Maybe this whole thing has made him mentally stronger and I'm happy to see him do so well.

Rosa Luxembourg
04-07-2008, 09:26 PM
Some of you, I guess, have been in a very bad mood for the past 24 hours :haha:

Sunset of Age
04-07-2008, 09:30 PM
Great bump!

Isn't that one of the rules of MTF: a few bad losses = your career is over, and a few good wins = the next GOAT has arrived? ;)

Adler
04-07-2008, 09:41 PM
Isn't that one of the rules of MTF: a few bad losses = your career is over, and a few good wins = the next GOAT has arrived? ;)
Well, I don't know what you're getting at, but I didn't include any fanboying/bandwagoning here :)
It's just that a player's career is not over after one bad loss, simple

FedFan_2007
04-07-2008, 09:44 PM
Kolya's rise like a phoenix from the ashes demonstrates the true resiliency of the human spirit.

Buzza - where did get that photo? Fed doing a Baggy impersonation? Looks like from 2005.

Adler
04-07-2008, 09:44 PM
Kolya's rise like a phoenix from the ashes demonstrates the true resiliency of the human spirit.
Roger will have his rise too, no need to worry

Jimnik
04-07-2008, 09:44 PM
Excellent bump.

Always good to see knee-jerk predictions getting exposed.

Halba
04-07-2008, 10:00 PM
from solid top 5 to mug, to goat now. well how the tide turns.

remember nalbi? was goat end of 07 now one of the biggest mugs :wavey:

Kolya
04-07-2008, 11:04 PM
My bad.

But he was really out of form and mentally weak from the investigations.

Sunset of Age
04-07-2008, 11:08 PM
Well, I don't know what you're getting at, but I didn't include any fanboying/bandwagoning here :)
It's just that a player's career is not over after one bad loss, simple

I was just kidding around. As to what I was getting at: I've seen quite a plenty of threads predicting the decline of a player one day, the hallelujah!-threads following the week thereafter, and the decline of the same player just a few days later - after an unexpected loss. ;)

My bad.

But he was really out of form and mentally weak from the investigations.

:hug: - yes, he was, and I'm sure this Miami victory will do wonders for his mental form!

Kolya
04-07-2008, 11:15 PM
It wasn't just one bad loss. It was from the period after the US Open. Davydenko really struggled with his serve and the rest of his game.

Injuries and the ATP investigations were putting a toll on him physically and mentally. There were some really bad losses to people he should have won.

Sunset of Age
04-07-2008, 11:19 PM
It wasn't just one bad loss. It was from the period after the US Open. Davydenko really struggled with his serve and the rest of his game.

Injuries and the ATP investigations were putting a toll on him physically and mentally. There were some really bad losses to people who should have won.

Yes, you are right. I wasn't addressing Davydenko in particular with my post - rather addressing a common habit over here on GM.

I can only wish Denko the best now - and indeed the whole witchhunt the ATP bestowed on him, while there was NO hard proof at all, was a great shame. To him, and to tennis in general I think.

Henry Chinaski
04-07-2008, 11:37 PM
It wasn't just one bad loss. It was from the period after the US Open. Davydenko really struggled with his serve and the rest of his game.

Injuries and the ATP investigations were putting a toll on him physically and mentally. There were some really bad losses to people who should have won.

exactly. I don't think this thread counts as "knee-jerk". Certainly not by mtf standards anyway.

ChinoRios4Ever
04-08-2008, 02:47 AM
great bump :p

i said depend how good he plays in the big ones... winning Miami is a good start :yeah:

sheeter
04-08-2008, 04:17 AM
This thread comes after he kills Rafa and plays some of the best tennis of his life.

Branimir
04-08-2008, 04:26 AM
I like Davy, but he was little lucky with his draw. Just like Djokovic last year.

Kolya
04-08-2008, 10:29 AM
This thread comes after he kills Rafa and plays some of the best tennis of his life.

If you look at the 1st post mate, I started this thread around the Australian Open period.

niewski
04-08-2008, 11:43 AM
i was lucky enough to check my TV listings at 2:15am the night of the final to see that they were replaying it on a major station 2am-4am. A very interesting match davydenko doesnt appear relaxed but manages to blast forehands on nadal out of nowhere seemingly, and when he draws blood at 3-3 he doesnt loose his grip the whole time, tenaciously clings to the lead like nadal would.

I was definitely cheering him on, he found his game quite nicely. =>

wurthluc91
04-08-2008, 12:48 PM
Fair enough sort of a thread to make, especially with the allegations, but I couldn't be happier that he has come out and silenced any critics he had in the best way possible - doing what he does best.

groundstroke
04-08-2008, 01:10 PM
Glad to see Davydenko finally thrashing Nadal.

shotgun
07-31-2008, 07:38 PM
from solid top 5 to mug, to goat now. well how the tide turns.

... and to mug yet again.

rhinooooo
07-31-2008, 08:28 PM
It's the downfall for practically everyone in the Top 10 except Nadal. No-one has any form and confidence at the moment. Murray is the arguable exception. Rafa is on another planet now. Hopefully things get more interesting and competitive soon.

tangerine_dream
07-31-2008, 08:45 PM
A downfall? Did he even reach a career pinnacle yet?