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Should Kiefer be fined?

CooCooCachoo
06-11-2004, 06:30 PM
Kiefer lost today in Halle, against fellow German Rainer Schüttler, in two sets. Kiefer was very disappointed that he lost and says he didn't reach the level he should have. Consequently, he cancelled his Nottingham commitment to rest in Hannover. This is on his official website:

"Das Neuste von Kiwi

11.06.2004 : Daumendrücken in Portugal erfolglos / Absage für Nottingham
So wollte ich mich sicherlich nicht von "meinem" Publikum verabschieden! Obwohl ich Rainer Schüttler zu seinem 6:3, 7:6-Sieg im Viertelfinale der Gerry Weber Open und zu seiner astreinen Leistung gratulieren möchte, muß ich doch sagen, dass ich das Spiel ebenso verloren habe, wie er es gewonnen hat. Und das, obwohl mir, wie ich direkt nach dem Match erfuhr, im Quartier der deutschen EURO-Fußballer in Portugal manch einer die Daumen drückte. Ich habe einfach nie meinen Spielrythmus gefunden. Da ich zudem schlecht returnierte, hatte ich als Folge keine Chance.
Nun geht's zurück nach Hannover. Dort werde ich mich bis Anfang kommender Woche erholen und regerieren. Meine Teilnahme am Turnier in Nottingham habe ich abgesagt. Ich fühle mich einfach platt und muß auftanken. Damit ich mit vollem Akku und Power in Wimbledon angreifen kann!

Kiwi "

"Ich fühle mich einfach platt und muß auftanken." That is his reason for not going to Nottingham. Am I the only one to find this reason unacceptable? It seems like a case of sour grapes, IMO. He should be fined for lack of commitment here, I think.

Deboogle!.
06-11-2004, 06:46 PM
depends on when the deadline is. If he pulled out before the deadline then even if it's crappy, he's within the rules. If he pulled out after the deadline then he'll pay a fine no matter what (save for injury)

MissPovaFan
06-11-2004, 08:26 PM
Kiefer lost today in Halle, against fellow German Rainer Schüttler, in two sets. Kiefer was very disappointed that he lost and says he didn't reach the level he should have. Consequently, he cancelled his Nottingham commitment to rest in Hannover. This is on his official website:

"Das Neuste von Kiwi

11.06.2004 : Daumendrücken in Portugal erfolglos / Absage für Nottingham
So wollte ich mich sicherlich nicht von "meinem" Publikum verabschieden! Obwohl ich Rainer Schüttler zu seinem 6:3, 7:6-Sieg im Viertelfinale der Gerry Weber Open und zu seiner astreinen Leistung gratulieren möchte, muß ich doch sagen, dass ich das Spiel ebenso verloren habe, wie er es gewonnen hat. Und das, obwohl mir, wie ich direkt nach dem Match erfuhr, im Quartier der deutschen EURO-Fußballer in Portugal manch einer die Daumen drückte. Ich habe einfach nie meinen Spielrythmus gefunden. Da ich zudem schlecht returnierte, hatte ich als Folge keine Chance.
Nun geht's zurück nach Hannover. Dort werde ich mich bis Anfang kommender Woche erholen und regerieren. Meine Teilnahme am Turnier in Nottingham habe ich abgesagt. Ich fühle mich einfach platt und muß auftanken. Damit ich mit vollem Akku und Power in Wimbledon angreifen kann!

Kiwi "

"Ich fühle mich einfach platt und muß auftanken." That is his reason for not going to Nottingham. Am I the only one to find this reason unacceptable? It seems like a case of sour grapes, IMO. He should be fined for lack of commitment here, I think.

I can't speak any German Im afraid :sad: so is anyone able to give a brief translation? :)

joeb_uk
06-11-2004, 09:16 PM
please translate for me coocy if you could ;)

Neely
06-11-2004, 09:31 PM
well, I don't know from what he should be tired or exhausted because he only played four matches in Halle (doubles included) and two rounds in Roland Garros before, but I was really disappointed because of his match today and I'm sure he is also disappointed because he played so badly in front of the crowd who wanted to see for sure a better match.

Concerning if he should be fined my answer is clearly "NO". Last year for example, he made the final in Halle and then retired from his first round match in 's-Hertogenbosch. And I think that is even worse.

So, of course, it's better not playing a tournament when you don't want to play and give other players who have interest in it the chance to play there.

Good decision, Nicolas! too many players do that, but at least he doesn't take away the main draw place for somebody else! :yeah:

Neely
06-11-2004, 09:37 PM
"Ich fühle mich einfach platt und muß auftanken." That is his reason for not going to Nottingham. Am I the only one to find this reason unacceptable? It seems like a case of sour grapes, IMO.
well, he could also say "my wrist is hurting" and nobody could verify it if it is true.
Just because he is probably saying the truth, there is no need to fine him.

He should be fined for lack of commitment here, I think.
yeah.... :rolleyes: and you for posting this thread :p LOL

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 10:12 PM
The deadline for withdrawal is noon Eastern US time on Friday, which is 6PM in Halle... if he informed the ATP within 2 hours 34 minutes after his match he escaped the fine... I'm quite sure he did that...

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 10:17 PM
well, he could also say "my wrist is hurting" and nobody could verify it if it is true.
Just because he is probably saying the truth, there is no need to fine him.

No, he needs a "doctor note" from official ATP phisician to get a medical exempt. But it is unnecessary if he made his withdrawal by the above deadline, which he probably did.

¿esquímaux?
06-11-2004, 10:21 PM
yeah.... :rolleyes: and you for posting this thread :p LOL


:p

Neely
06-11-2004, 10:36 PM
No, he needs a "doctor note" from official ATP phisician to get a medical exempt. But it is unnecessary if he made his withdrawal by the above deadline, which he probably did.
thanks! yes, that's right of course... but still, instead of saying "I need rest, I feel exhausted and not well" he could also say "my wrist is hurting" or "my canary bird passed this afternoon" and withdraw from the tournament with this reason

so, again, I don't get what CooCoo finds so special about this reason as Kiefer could say ANYTHING to withdraw from the tournament if he did it in time until this deadline.

Tricky_Forehand
06-11-2004, 11:05 PM
Simple answer? No.

I don't really agree with his "why" for pulling out but I don't think that he needs to be fined for it.

Personally, I think he's having more a case of mental exhaustion than physical exhaustion. His attitude seemed like the "old Nicolas" to me in his post-match interview. I'm sure a lot of that is due to having to talk to the press almost immediately after losing but hopefully this week off will allow him to readjust his attitude again :) .

star
06-12-2004, 03:22 AM
Did I read that right? What was the thing about football in Portugal?

CooCooCachoo
06-12-2004, 05:10 AM
Well, Neely, maybe he shouldn't be fined, but the behaviour is, for a top player, pretty much unacceptable. If you don't want to play, then just quit. I don't see a valid reason for him not showing up.

Lalitha
06-12-2004, 05:27 AM
I don't think he should be fined. Don't we all take a break from our routine once in a while???

YoursTruly
06-12-2004, 05:41 AM
I'd say no and I'm not going to explain and write my thoughts on it because I'll need a break as well. lol :)

star
06-12-2004, 06:27 AM
Well, Neely, maybe he shouldn't be fined, but the behaviour is, for a top player, pretty much unacceptable. If you don't want to play, then just quit. I don't see a valid reason for him not showing up.

Fatigue! It is always the best excuse. :)

And anyway, from my perspective, Kiefer should never ever be fined for NOT playing. He should be paid NOT to play, and fined only for playing. :lol: :rolls: :silly:

Lee
06-12-2004, 06:38 AM
Fatigue! It is always the best excuse. :)

And anyway, from my perspective, Kiefer should never ever be fined for NOT playing. He should be paid NOT to play, and fined only for playing. :lol: :rolls: :silly:

That's nasty Star ;)

He's probably too disappointed as he always played well in Halle.

PerezRoldan
06-12-2004, 06:44 AM
Well, you can't fine someone for a medical condition, especially the surgery needed to find Kiefer's backbone.

star
06-12-2004, 06:58 AM
That's nasty Star ;)

He's probably too disappointed as he always played well in Halle.

Oh, I hope it wasn't too nasty. I meant it in fun, cause I don't want to hurt Neely's feelings.

:kiss: :kiss: Neely! I was only being my silly self :)

Haasfan
06-12-2004, 10:05 AM
Kiefer = tragedy

He just keeps on making excuses for everything, yes the guy has talent, in fact probably hes got top10 probably top 5 talent. This is exactly why i find him so annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talent means shit without mental application, and thats what Kiwi hasnt got. All those stories about him taking up acting last year really me feel sick, well at least if he quit then he could at least relieve us of the misery of watching him wasting all that talent god gave him.

Every tournament is an excuse, Kiwi just doesnt have it in the head. I expect another 1st/2nd round appearance at Wimbledon no more after playin well for one set and then falling to pieces like sooooooooooooo many other times before

Neely
06-12-2004, 11:40 AM
Well, Neely, maybe he shouldn't be fined, but the behaviour is, for a top player, pretty much unacceptable. If you don't want to play, then just quit. I don't see a valid reason for him not showing up.
Well, not you must see the valid reason but the player(s) who cancel their tournaments and must be on the court playing.

I really don't know what's so special about just because it's Kiefer.
It happens every day, every week several times that a "top player" (whatever you understand by that) doesn't play a tournament or quits one.

And should we create for every player who skips a tournament a special thread? come on, what a joke....

ah, wait... I will create one because Wayne Arthurs quits a tournament ;)
wow, and I see that Safin also doesn't play before Wimbledon?
wait a moment, I must create a thread and ask people if he should be fined... :rolls:
damn, I also must create a thread ex-post because Roddick canceled the TMS in Hamburg after his 1st round defeat to Canas in Rome...
... and not to forget about player x and player y who also don't play next week :p

:lol: