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Can Roger score 1000 points?

LCeh
06-09-2004, 11:29 PM
Last year, before Halle, Roger had got 278 championship points according to my calculations, not counting Rotterdam because it was out of his best 5 non-countable tournaments.

This year, before Halle, Roger has got 501 points. That is a 223 difference. If he walks the exact same path as he did last year, then we can add this 223 onto his 875, which would be 1098.

Do you think Roger can get over 1000 this year? Or would it be too tough?

Shy
06-09-2004, 11:32 PM
It will be hard.He can gain a lots of points after Wimbledon though.

shaoyu
06-10-2004, 12:22 AM
Sure why not, he's got the potential. He's got that amount of points if you divide entry system points by 5, which means if he does as well as last year after RG he'll keep his current entry system points at the end of year, thus more than 1000 points in champion race.

BTW, LCeh, is your avatar a picture of Roger & Hingis? So lovely!

LCeh
06-10-2004, 01:10 AM
Yup. =)

Well, Roger won 1 GS, 2 TMS and one smaller tournament to get to where he is now, he can certainly win Wimbledon, and winning 2 TMS is certainly possible. There is also the TMC, which if he can win all his matches, he would get 50 more points than a TMS. I certainly hope he can passed the 1k mark...

Has anyone else done it before?

WyveN
06-10-2004, 09:26 AM
Has anyone else done it before?

no one has held 2 slams in a calendar year since the champions race came into place amazingly so I doubt anyone reached 1000 points, would be a great achievement but why not go for the 1500 ;)

LCeh
06-10-2004, 07:20 PM
no one has held 2 slams in a calendar year since the champions race came into place amazingly so I doubt anyone reached 1000 points, would be a great achievement but why not go for the 1500 ;)

Yes, make that your goal Roger, 1500! :cool: ;)

I think we will get the answer within 3 weeks. After Wimbledon, we can almost be sure if Roger can get 1000 or not... I hope he can... :tape:

lsy
06-11-2004, 04:57 AM
I hope he can... :tape:

So do I... :tape: :tape:

WyverN is one very greedy fan of Rogi.

jtipson
07-03-2004, 12:02 PM
686 points and counting :)

Jazzy
07-04-2004, 07:04 AM
he should be able to reach the 1000 points mark - now 1500 points, i'd love to see him do that!

jtipson
07-04-2004, 05:58 PM
746 points - wow!

mitalidas
07-04-2004, 06:07 PM
He could win the US Open -- that takes him to 946. Then a few additional great performances (including in Gstaad next week --isn't he playing there?) will do 1000 no question

rogicomel
07-05-2004, 06:18 AM
It won't be such a big problem! Go for it Rogi!!!

RonE
07-11-2004, 02:30 PM
Gstaad adds 35 points now- a few more under the belt.

jtipson
07-11-2004, 03:29 PM
Yep, 781 now, and 302 more than his nearest rival Coria.

Last year, he had 785 AFTER the round robin stage of the Tennis Masters Cup.

yanchr
07-11-2004, 04:16 PM
It is due I think.

Wooooooooow, it's really amazing run! Thanks jtipson for the comparison. Get a more clear pic of what he has achieved so far this year:worship:

ytben
07-12-2004, 02:30 AM
Yep, 781 now, and 302 more than his nearest rival Coria.

Last year, he had 785 AFTER the round robin stage of the Tennis Masters Cup.

W-O-W. I have used the word amazing a plenty these past two weeks. Here's another one: "Amazing!" :worship:

mitalidas
07-13-2004, 11:49 PM
Here's a piece on "Securing the Year End Number 1 Ranking". I think we all believe this is true but to see it in print is great

http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2004-07-13/c.php

Federer Not-So-Quietly Secures Year-End No. 1 Ranking

mitalidas
07-13-2004, 11:50 PM
Here are a few more sick stats: Since losing in last year’s Gstaad final, Federer has won his last nine finals; he has won his last 17 matches, and is 51-4 on the year in 2004; he has faced former No. 1 players 10 times thus far this year, winning nine (lost to Gustavo Kuerten at the French Open); he is 7-0 in finals this year; and against the two players even near him on the ATP Rankings, he is a dominating 6-1 career against Roddick, and is 1-0 against Guillermo Coria, beating the Argentine on his favorite clay earlier in the year.

Skyward
07-14-2004, 02:54 AM
Thanks for the article.Very accurate summary of Roger's achievements this year. I'm glad that someone finally pointed out that Roger did not play his best in Wimbledon final.

" In this year’s Wimbledon final, Roddick brought his “A”-game yet Federer still hung around despite his below-par play. "

Dirk
07-14-2004, 10:39 AM
Exactly. Its not so much about Rogi improving which he will anyways, but about him playing at a high steady level during big matches. I think his minor cold played a bigger impact on the match than we first thought. Rogi maybe was nervous as well and he just was sluggish early on. He was always iffy but was able to play great and less patchy later on in the match. I still can't believe how bad his serve placement was on his 2nd serve.

mitalidas
07-15-2004, 10:43 PM
I think one of the really great things about the W-final was that it should put an end to all the commentators who said that roddick would win if he won the first set, because while Rogi is a great front-runner, he was mentally "questionable" so that if he lost the first set he would get tight and lose altogether.


Rogi not only came back from one set down, but from many many situations in which in which roddick really took the momentum (e.g., when he came back 4-all in the second, rogi COULD have crumbled but didn't; when roddick went up in the third, when roddick had all those breakpoints in the fourth etc). I wish the media would talk about that a little more, given that they did not give Rogi the benefit of the doubt when talking about his "mentality"

Rogi has , touchwood, proved that he is a great front-runner, a competitor and can come back from any situation to win. i think it was at the FO he said that even at 2 sets and 5-4 down he believed he could win

*M*
07-16-2004, 10:26 PM
I think one of the really great things about the W-final was that it should put an end to all the commentators who said that roddick would win if he won the first set, because while Rogi is a great front-runner, he was mentally "questionable" so that if he lost the first set he would get tight and lose altogether.


Rogi not only came back from one set down, but from many many situations in which in which roddick really took the momentum (e.g., when he came back 4-all in the second, rogi COULD have crumbled but didn't; when roddick went up in the third, when roddick had all those breakpoints in the fourth etc). I wish the media would talk about that a little more, given that they did not give Rogi the benefit of the doubt when talking about his "mentality"

I agree with you completely. Even though I think Roger was taken aback initially by Andy's onslaught, he maintained his composure and didn't back down. I also give Roddick credit for staying in there every time the momentum swung to Roger. I guess those swings are what made the final exciting. (I'm glad in the end that it swung back to Roger!)

I bet Brad Gilbert drilled into Andy's head "You must take the first set!", because he thought Roger's game would break down and he wouldn't be able to come back. I'm so glad Roger proved him (and the media) wrong.

I'm not sure I really understand this thinking anyway. Did this occur often when Roger was younger? It seems to me that he often starts a little cold and needs a few games to find his rhythm (e.g. vs Hewitt at the AO this year). Once he finds it, though, watch out! His play always seems to get better as the match wears on, not worse. I actually was dismayed when the second rain delay occurred during the final. I thought for sure that he would need time that he didn't have to find his rhythm again. I'm glad he proved ME wrong. Great effort, Roger!

LCeh
07-16-2004, 10:41 PM
Yes, Roger was a headcase back then. Even in 03, there were times where he just totally collapsed (the most painful one was DC against Hewitt) He has won 9 finals in a row, yet his overall finals record is still not all that impressive yet, because of his previous losses.

For 04, in 3 of his 4 losses, he lost the first set. Which means he has only lost one match when he WON the first set, and that was on clay against Costa.

snowman_82
07-18-2004, 04:03 AM
Go!Roger!

landoud
07-18-2004, 12:51 PM
i have a federer pic from dubai

Lady Natalia
08-17-2004, 04:39 AM
As of right now, he can get 1000 points. And to be honest with the Olympics, USO, TMS Madrid, TMS Paris and TMCup, I would be shocked if he did not get to 1000.
http://www.smiliegenerator.de/smiley-flag/smiley-2249.png

Lley
08-17-2004, 10:14 AM
Yeah I think he can get 1000 points. And he'll do that because he's Roger and he's the best!!!

mitalidas
09-09-2004, 10:41 AM
Update as of QF: Federer, R 937


Winning the QF will get him an additional 40 (then 997)
Winning the SF will get him over 1000

We're getting there!!!!

Daniel
09-09-2004, 11:43 AM
Come on Rogi, beat Agassi and go to the semis :worship: :bounce:

Lalitha
09-09-2004, 12:03 PM
Wow, 1000 points in a single season would be great! He will definitely make it. :)

Björki
09-09-2004, 12:05 PM
come on Rogi :D

RogiFan88
09-09-2004, 02:30 PM
my Q is can Rogi still maintain his #1 ranking by the end of the year??? that's v important to him

landoud
09-09-2004, 02:51 PM
my Q is can Rogi still maintain his #1 ranking by the end of the year??? that's v important to him
i think so rogifan... he is doing very well till now and i hope ofcourse he can win his match vs agassi .... he is great

Seraphim
09-10-2004, 08:23 AM
aRE ANY OF YOU GUYS LOOKING AT THE RANKINGS? (pardon the caps)

Fed has 5910pts which is really 6210 from the 300 extra points he has earned making it to the semis.

Closest to him is Roddick who will probably drop to about 3770pts after falling in the quarters and losing 750pts I believe.

There are not enough tourneys (with enough points) left in the season for ANYONE to overtake Fed after the US Open.

And Hewwit? #5 at 2605pts. Just impossible.

He doesn't have to win anymore tourneys because he's SAFE. All he has to do is do just as well, if not better than he has done the previous year with the tourneys that are left on the schedule.

Daniel
09-10-2004, 11:14 AM
Agassi lost to Rogi :D

Roddick is out , so ranking is safe for Rogi. He is #1 al the way > :kiss:

jtipson
09-10-2004, 11:38 AM
Yep, I'm looking at the rankings, and have been doing so for some time now.

It is still theoretically possible for Roddick or even Hewitt to overtake Federer for year end number one, but it would take a great effort from them (i.e. no losses the rest of the year), and Roger would have to sit out virtually the rest of the year.

Roger has 250 (Vienna and Basel) + 225 (Madrid) + 125 (Bercy) + 750 (Houston) = 1350 to defend. Andy has less, not sure of his exact figures in optionals, but 460 from the required events, so he can gain a lot more. Lleyton has zero because he played no tournaments after the USO last year.

I dislike the Champions' Race, but at least it's easier to make the year end calculations. There are 350 points up for grabs at the remaining required events. There are also points from optionals, although both Roddick and Hewitt have filled most of their optional slots already so can't gain too many, about 50-60 at the most even if they win 2 large optionals.

This effectively means Roger has to be 400 points ahead of everyone after the US Open.

max pts...........after qf.....after sf....after f
Federer...............977........1027.......1087
Roddick...............647.........647.........647
Hewitt................561.........611.........671

So if Roger wins the USO, he'll be 440 ahead of Andy and 466 ahead of Lleyton. That would mean he crosses the line, even in theoretical terms, as far as I can see. If he is runner-up it may be enough, but it's not certain. If he loses to Tim, then the gap is small enough that Lleyton if he wins or even Andy could overtake him at Houston (but not before).

In practical terms though, as long as Roger has a reasonable remainder of the season, it's all over. Already.

mitalidas
09-10-2004, 02:28 PM
Yep, I'm looking at the rankings, and have been doing so for some time now.

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I have NEVER EVER understood that ATP ranking/seeding scheme. Champions race is much more straightforward.

But anyhow, I could not figure out the bottom line: If Rogi does not win USO, someone could overtake him for the **seeding** of number 1? I figure that the Champions Race is over as of NOW. Even if Rogi doenst win USO.

But you're saying ( I am trying to understand) that he has enough points to defend in the year, that he could lose the #1 seeding/ranking?

LCeh
09-10-2004, 02:50 PM
THe entry ranking is based on results of the past 12 months, and Championship race is only this year. The seeding comes from the entry ranking, and Roger has 1350 points to defend for the rest of the year.

As the year ends, the CR should be equivalent as the ER, because the last 12 months would be the year. So, both ranking systems are useful, but CR comes to use later in the year. If we just take a look at the CR, I would say Roger is pretty much untouchable right now. Same with the rankings, he is so far ahead. But from calculations, we say that "If Roger doesn't win the US Open, and loses everything, while Andy/Lleyton wins everything, they can theoratically overtake them." But realistically speaking, Roger is the #1 for the year. If Roger wins USOpen, even if he sits out the entire season, Andy and Lleyton still wouldn't be able to overtake him, no matter how the 2 players perform.

Dirk
09-10-2004, 05:43 PM
Rogi as long as he defends most of his points I will be happy but I hope he does win Basel and another masters shield.

Seraphim
09-10-2004, 06:15 PM
Yep, I'm looking at the rankings, and have been doing so for some time now.

It is still theoretically possible for Roddick or even Hewitt to overtake Federer for year end number one, but it would take a great effort from them (i.e. no losses the rest of the year), and Roger would have to sit out virtually the rest of the year.

Roger has 250 (Vienna and Basel) + 225 (Madrid) + 125 (Bercy) + 750 (Houston) = 1350 to defend. Andy has less, not sure of his exact figures in optionals, but 460 from the required events, so he can gain a lot more. Lleyton has zero because he played no tournaments after the USO last year.

I dislike the Champions' Race, but at least it's easier to make the year end calculations. There are 350 points up for grabs at the remaining required events. There are also points from optionals, although both Roddick and Hewitt have filled most of their optional slots already so can't gain too many, about 50-60 at the most even if they win 2 large optionals.

This effectively means Roger has to be 400 points ahead of everyone after the US Open.

max pts...........after qf.....after sf....after f
Federer...............977........1027.......1087
Roddick...............647.........647.........647
Hewitt................561.........611.........671

So if Roger wins the USO, he'll be 440 ahead of Andy and 466 ahead of Lleyton. That would mean he crosses the line, even in theoretical terms, as far as I can see. If he is runner-up it may be enough, but it's not certain. If he loses to Tim, then the gap is small enough that Lleyton if he wins or even Andy could overtake him at Houston (but not before).

In practical terms though, as long as Roger has a reasonable remainder of the season, it's all over. Already.

Somehow your response came off defensively and I don't know why because I said "pardon the caps" (I wasn't yelling, just lazy) but I'm glad you answered this anyway (because you know this better than anyone) as I was hoping you would because I have a question.

If Roger does better (earns more/extra points) at a grand slam tourney than the previous year, can he negate an upcoming tournament with pts that he has to defend? (I hope I asked that question correctly) Thanks in advance.

jtipson
09-10-2004, 07:27 PM
Somehow your response came off defensively and I don't know why because I said "pardon the caps" (I wasn't yelling, just lazy) but I'm glad you answered this anyway (because you know this better than anyone) as I was hoping you would because I have a question.

If Roger does better (earns more/extra points) at a grand slam tourney than the previous year, can he negate an upcoming tournament with pts that he has to defend? (I hope I asked that question correctly) Thanks in advance.

Awww, now I reread what I wrote it does sound rather defensive. I certainly didn't intend it to be, wasn't offended your post in any way at all, Seraphim. I love it when other people take an interest in the numbers :) .

With regard to your question, certainly if Roger won Roland Garros next year for instance, he might not need to win Wimbledon to maintain his points...but I'm not sure whether that's what you meant?

Seraphim
09-11-2004, 02:42 AM
Awww, now I reread what I wrote it does sound rather defensive. I certainly didn't intend it to be, wasn't offended your post in any way at all, Seraphim. I love it when other people take an interest in the numbers :) .

With regard to your question, certainly if Roger won Roland Garros next year for instance, he might not need to win Wimbledon to maintain his points...but I'm not sure whether that's what you meant?

YES YES YES! That's exactly what I meant. I looked over your thread (when it was there) and the ATP site to try and understand the numbers better, but I need ALOT more practice at it. Thanks for the feedback Jtipson.

Dana
09-11-2004, 09:55 PM
Can Roger score 1000 points? :) By reaching the US Open finale, Roger has now.... 1027 points at the race ranking! Congrats Roger!!!!!!!! :)

Skyward
09-11-2004, 10:05 PM
Can Roger score 1000 points? :) By reaching the US Open finale, Roger has now.... 1027 points at the race ranking! Congrats Roger!!!!!!!! :)

I think it means he clinched the number 1 ranking for the year end, even if he sits out for the rest of the year.

Dana
09-11-2004, 10:32 PM
I think it means he clinched the number 1 ranking for the year end, even if he sits out for the rest of the year.
Hummmm... not yet... theoretically speaking, there is a tiny infinitesimal microscopic probability that Hewitt can finish #1 if Roger decides to take the rest of the year off.... but practically yes!!!! :D

Hewitt has to win the US Open, the next 2 TMS and the TMC. Then, he will have 671 (after US Open) + 200 (TMS) + 150 (TMC) = 1021 pts. His lowest best of 5 is 20 points. So he has to get 27 points or more in another tournament to reach #1... And Roger has to be on holiday and do absolutely nothing....!

Seraphim
09-11-2004, 11:30 PM
Hummmm... not yet... theoretically speaking, there is a tiny infinitesimal microscopic probability that Hewitt can finish #1 if Roger decides to take the rest of the year off.... but practically yes!!!! :D



LOL :D

Daniel
09-12-2004, 07:51 AM
Roger :clap2:

mitalidas
09-13-2004, 11:05 AM
It's official.











1st Federer, R. 1087

2nd Roddick, A. 647

3rd Hewitt, L. 611

4th Moya, C. 484

5th Coria, G. 480

6th Henman, T. 432

7th Gaudio, G. 383

8th Agassi, A. 348

9th Safin, M. 317

10th Grosjean, S. 274

Daniel
09-14-2004, 08:05 AM
thanks :

Roger has a big lead against Andy :)

jtipson
10-03-2004, 11:32 AM
Update after Thailand Open:

Federer 1117
Roddick 656
Hewitt 611

And look at this entry ranking, ever seen anything so barmy?

Federer 6875
Roddick 3780
Hewitt 3055

Roger has a lead of 3095, and has more points than Andy and Lleyton put together. Those are his nearest rivals, yet he bagelled them both during the finals of his last two tournaments.

babsi
10-03-2004, 12:07 PM
Those paralle universes are not really paralle, they must be on top of each other and Roger is samewhere on an uperlevle one - spuky!!

Daniel
10-03-2004, 12:45 PM
:lol: as always Roger is on Top ;) :bigclap:

jtipson
10-05-2004, 04:52 PM
Amazing fact:

If Roger had not played any of the Grand Slams this year, he would still be in *third* position to qualify for the TMC!

mitalidas
10-05-2004, 04:58 PM
Amazing fact:

If Roger had not played any of the Grand Slams this year, he would still be in *third* position to qualify for the TMC!

That might be the most frightening statistic of them all, for the rest of the Tour.