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Beck beats Henman...

LCeh
06-09-2004, 05:22 PM
6-2 3-6 7-6.

Wow.

Deboogle!.
06-09-2004, 05:23 PM
:eek: the British press is gonna be nuts lol

athie
06-09-2004, 05:24 PM
Rather surprising. 1st set was a disaster for Tim.

Leo
06-09-2004, 05:26 PM
The transition from clay to grass will be harder for Tim this year than ever before, considering how well he did at Roland Garros and how his playing deep into the second week in Paris shortened his grass court practice. I don't think this result reflects his chances at Wimbledon at all. I would still include him as one of the top favorites.

oxy
06-09-2004, 05:27 PM
coria lost to a guy from taipei too.....guess its the transition and probably physically & mentally tired

Havok
06-09-2004, 05:32 PM
:scared:

BaselineSmash
06-09-2004, 05:33 PM
Very poor.

In light of the fact he probably won't win Wimbledon, I hope he loses early there also; far less painful that way. My blood pressure is already high enough as it is.

BaselineSmash
06-09-2004, 05:36 PM
:scared:

:haha: It's probably been said before, but you have a big time fetish for that "scared" smilie, don't you?

Bubble
06-09-2004, 05:40 PM
I think tim has a lower chance of doing better at Wimbly than at French Open. The overwhelming crowd pressure will be the key factor.

Imagine having the whole centre crowd groaning at your every error ... Poor Tim...

jtipson
06-09-2004, 05:41 PM
Bit of a roller-coaster, but then that's Tim Henman in front of his home audience for you. A mitigating factor is that Beck has had plenty of grass practice: he won the Surbiton challenger last weekend.

Perhaps Tim should play Nottingham to get a few more matches in.

Havok
06-09-2004, 05:47 PM
:haha: It's probably been said before, but you have a big time fetish for that "scared" smilie, don't you?
Yes I do. :sad: But it fit well so :p

Neely
06-09-2004, 05:56 PM
well, Beck is no mug on grass with his serve and he already won a challenger on grass last week and is well-suited and prepared to this surface whereas, as already mentioned by Leo, the transition from clay to grass was very difficult for Henman.

sure, it's still a surprise, but you have some good explanations why Beck was playing so well and Henman so badly.

And a 3rd set tiebreaker is always a roll of dice, especially when you are losing the tiebreaker 8-6.
So it's not like that Henman was losing 6-2 6-2 without any chance.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 06:06 PM
well thats that, henman and his double faults, his losing 7-6 in the 3rd to these average nobody's, theres no way he'll play Nottingham cos that would be 4 straight weeks of tennis, with 2 too follow at wimbledon..... but the writing is on the wall, you absolutely knew this would happen cos he done well at the french, he'd automaticallly fuck up the grass season, and sure enough, he's doing just that

sorry henman fans, but the next run henman "might" make at a slam sf will be the US open, so lets look forward to that

Leo
06-09-2004, 06:22 PM
Can we say "overreaction"? :rolleyes: He'll bounce back, methinks. Knowing the AELTC, they'll give him a cake draw at Wimbledon as always so he can work his way into the event.

lalaland
06-09-2004, 06:24 PM
I'm not too surprised, Beck is a very tough draw on grass, Henman needs more time to make the adjustment. I don't think this is any indication of how he will perform in Wimbledon, still think this will be the best year for him because his confident should still be very high after French Open.

Now Wimbledon has to get down to work on a formula to get Henman up to 3 or 4 seed, passing Nalbandian and Ferrero shouldn't be a problem, considering they reached only the 4th, one big round below Henman's QF appearence. If Nalbandian and Ferrero oblige to pull out due to their respective injuries, Wimbledon can just relax and enjoy their tea. So the two should hold off their announcements just to make those people work a little harder.

Chris Seahorse
06-09-2004, 06:42 PM
I'm not too surprised, Beck is a very tough draw on grass, Henman needs more time to make the adjustment. I don't think this is any indication of how he will perform in Wimbledon, still think this will be the best year for him because his confident should still be very high after French Open.

Now Wimbledon has to get down to work on a formula to get Henman up to 3 or 4 seed, passing Nalbandian and Ferrero shouldn't be a problem, considering they reached only the 4th, one big round below Henman's QF appearence. If Nalbandian and Ferrero oblige to pull out due to their respective injuries, Wimbledon can just relax and enjoy their tea. So the two should hold off their announcements just to make those people work a little harder.

I don't think Henman himself will be that bothered where he is seeded at Wimbledon. I do think he will be hoping very hard however that Lleyton Hewitt is on the other half of the draw. ;)

Oh and as several others have said, an inform Beck, hot off 6 grasscourt match wins beating Henman playing his first grasscourt match of the year with little time to prepare isn't a major surprise. Infact Philippoussis, Coria, Henman and Agassi all went out in circumstances that with hindsight at least seem fairly predictable. Every year the qualifiers and players who played Surbiton the week before start Queen's Club with a tremendous advantage over the players who enter the tournament cold of grass matchplay.

jtipson
06-09-2004, 06:54 PM
Shouldn't be too difficult for them to come up with something to put Henman above Nalbandian and Ferrero (JC will be 5 points ahead of Tim on Monday), especially since those two aren't playing this week.

There's no way they'll invent something to make Tim third seed though - there's just too big a gap in the rankings points between him and Coria. And besides, no advantage in getting seeded third rather than fourth.

lalaland
06-09-2004, 06:55 PM
I don't think Henman himself will be that bothered where he is seeded at Wimbledon. I do think he will be hoping very hard however that Lleyton Hewitt is on the other half of the draw. ;)

Nor do I. Henman has great record against Federer and Roddick, Coria and Ferrero are unlikely to get to the second weeks, Nalbandian is a big iffy. That doesn't mean Wimbledon is not going to worry, they will still want to make Henman the 3rd/4th seed just in case.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 07:08 PM
Can we say "overreaction"? :rolleyes: He'll bounce back, methinks. Knowing the AELTC, they'll give him a cake draw at Wimbledon as always so he can work his way into the event.

i dont think any draw is that easy at GS level, especially with dark horses like beck,escude, melzer and all those other guys who tim chokes against

tim is playing well, and he'll play well at wimbledon, but there is no way he's make it as far as the semis yet, its some sorta twisted fate that he does great at the french and you know the inevitable, he'll play shit at wimbledon...it was so obvious before today that beck would beat him, and i bet he'll lose in round 4 at wimbledon, its the same story with henman...everything is all to obvious, he didnt play bad against beck, but you knew when those BIG points came at 4-4 (30-40 beck serving) in the 3rd....then the tie break (4-2 up DOUBLE FAULT), you knew henman would fuck them and he did, i cannot tolerate this weak private school mummy's boy anymore

END THE GRASS SEASON!!!

Horatio Caine
06-09-2004, 07:11 PM
Henman has been seeded 4th apparently although i can't remember which member of the Queen's broadcasting team announced that...I don't know how he got seeded ahead of Fat David. According to my calculations which were obviously wrong, Fat David should have finished about 50/60 points ahead of Henman into 4th seeding place.

But the loss today wasn't wholly unexpected. Beck had been playing very well, dismantling big servers in Moodie and Elseneer whereas Tim had only had a few days practice. Even if he did survive this match he wouldn't have defeated Karlovic anyway i don't think.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 07:14 PM
and those BIG points, those are what CHAMPIONS do..do u think federer woulda lost to beck today? or hewitt/ or a fit-nalbandian.or roddick...no they wouldnt, tim is just so damn weak:
Qatar: Ljubicic bt henman 7-6 3-6 7-6
australia: canas bt henman 6-7 5-7 7-6 7-5 9-7
dubai: zib bt henman 6-4 3-6 7-6
miami: melzer bt henman 7-6 2-6 7-6
queens: beck dt henman 6-2 3-6 7-6

now im sorry :) but frankly, wimbledon champions dont let these sorta things happen once a year, let alone 5............. federer would murder henman at wimbledon, absolutely murder him

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 07:17 PM
Henman has been seeded 4th apparently although i can't remember which member of the Queen's broadcasting team announced that...I don't know how he got seeded ahead of Fat David. According to my calculations which were obviously wrong, Fat David should have finished about 50/60 points ahead of Henman into 4th seeding place.

But the loss today wasn't wholly unexpected. Beck had been playing very well, dismantling big servers in Moodie and Elseneer whereas Tim had only had a few days practice. Even if he did survive this match he wouldn't have defeated Karlovic anyway i don't think.
and how weird is that to say.......... that tim probably wouldnt have beat karlovic, who as we know is all serve and nothing else

i agree with jez,i mean, do we really have any hope for henman at wimbledon when we know he wouldnt even beat a croatian with only a serve, on grass at queens :sad:times

BaselineSmash
06-09-2004, 07:26 PM
and those BIG points, those are what CHAMPIONS do..do u think federer woulda lost to beck today? or hewitt/ or a fit-nalbandian.or roddick...no they wouldnt, tim is just so damn weak:
Qatar: Ljubicic bt henman 7-6 3-6 7-6
australia: canas bt henman 6-7 5-7 7-6 7-5 9-7
dubai: zib bt henman 6-4 3-6 7-6
miami: melzer bt henman 7-6 2-6 7-6
queens: beck dt henman 6-2 3-6 7-6

now im sorry :) but frankly, wimbledon champions dont let these sorta things happen once a year, let alone 5............. federer would murder henman at wimbledon, absolutely murder him

The RG semi-final should be added to that list. He was leading by a set and
4-3 with a break...Fucked that opportunity up -Coria came up with the play to get back in there, fair enough, but then Henman served for the fourth set and didn't win another game. As you say, Federer, Roddick, Ferrero, Hewitt, Agassi et. al. wouldn't have missed such chances. Not to say he would have gone to win the match, but he should have taken the match to five.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 07:34 PM
The RG semi-final should be added to that list. He was leading by a set and
4-3 with a break...Fucked that opportunity up -Coria came up with the play to get back in there, fair enough, but then Henman served for the fourth set and didn't win another game. As you say, Federer, Roddick, Ferrero, Hewitt, Agassi et. al. wouldn't have missed such chances. Not to say he would have gone to win the match, but he should have taken the match to five.
exactly, its the same old sad story, i hate sounding like im slagging henman off, cos effort wise, he gives his all........but he just lacks something, something thats needed to be a major champion, and its sad days like this that wake ya up and make ya realise that he actually, wont win wimbledon....he just lacks that something, federer has it, and hewitt has it.....sampras was the best ever with that, he could play disgusting tennis for 3 sets v some1 like karol beck....but you could be sure if he fought to keep it 4-4 in the 3rd set and had a breka point, he'd take that point then serve it out, tim lacks and always will, but lets hope he can at least qualify for the masters cup in shanghai for once.

Leo
06-09-2004, 07:44 PM
and those BIG points, those are what CHAMPIONS do..do u think federer woulda lost to beck today? or hewitt/ or a fit-nalbandian.or roddick...no they wouldnt, tim is just so damn weak:
Qatar: Ljubicic bt henman 7-6 3-6 7-6
australia: canas bt henman 6-7 5-7 7-6 7-5 9-7
dubai: zib bt henman 6-4 3-6 7-6
miami: melzer bt henman 7-6 2-6 7-6
queens: beck dt henman 6-2 3-6 7-6

now im sorry :) but frankly, wimbledon champions dont let these sorta things happen once a year, let alone 5............. federer would murder henman at wimbledon, absolutely murder him

Absolute nonsense.

You forget that Henman has excellent records against Federer and Roddick, including wins over them this season.

Everyone has their bad days and their surprising losses. And many of the losses of Tim's that you mentioned weren't particularly horrible either, but were to quality players in close matches. All "champions" are upset every now and then - look at Ferrero, who has lost to Guccione and Carraz this year; Roddick has lost to Enqvist and Mutis; Federer was creamed by Nadal... I could go on and on.

TennisLurker
06-09-2004, 07:55 PM
Did henman shave?

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 07:56 PM
Absolute nonsense.

You forget that Henman has excellent records against Federer and Roddick, including wins over them this season.

Everyone has their bad days and their surprising losses. And many of the losses of Tim's that you mentioned weren't particularly horrible either, but were to quality players in close matches. All "champions" are upset every now and then - look at Ferrero, who has lost to Guccione and Carraz this year; Roddick has lost to Enqvist and Mutis; Federer was creamed by Nadal... I could go on and on.

ferrero has been a million miles away from top form all year, nadal is a quality player and enqvist!!?? you mean that former world no4, 3 time TMS champ, 1 time slam finalist, 18 tour titles enqvist?? oh yeah he's so much crapper than tomas zib

there's a huge diff with henman, he doesnt have enuff compared to grand slam champions, sure he can pull off a few close wins himself, but when does he ever go on and win the damn event? never, federer's, roddick, ferrero's can.

i like henmans record v roddick and federer, but ure deluding yourself if you think he'll go far enuff at wimbledon to have a shot at them, you mark my words here, wait until round 3 or 4 at wimbledon, some "decent" player will have a day where he hits winners from everywhere and knock henman out, you can sit and listen to chril bailey and john lloyd in the commentary booth with the phrases they have so well rehearsed for henman's opponenets whi are stuffing him "ohh too good", "he cant keep this level up", "this guy is just playing above himself and over 5 sets henman should win".........you can hear the doubt in theyre voices lol , it was funny hearing chris bailey saying he'd wished karol beck had stuck to basketball when he was younger....he knew what was coming to henman, as do we all at wimbledon

jtipson
06-09-2004, 08:06 PM
Did henman shave?

Darn, *that's* why he lost ;)

From the looks of this thread, I'd say Britain doesn't need the tabloids to enjoy the national pastime of slagging off favourite sportsmen :rolleyes:

TennisLurker
06-09-2004, 08:09 PM
If the unshaven latin look made him successful on clay, I say, he needs to shave during the grass season.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 08:10 PM
Darn, *that's* why he lost ;)

From the looks of this thread, I'd say Britain doesn't need the tabloids to enjoy the national pastime of slagging off favourite sportsmen :rolleyes:
henman deserves slagging, he's a gutless wimp. OOOH WINNING A MATCH, THATS SCARYYY !!!!

god 2 weeks of him at wimbledon showing the world we have the biggest try hard- but always fail patheticly..no wonder british tennis is a laughing stock, why cant we have a brit player with a street fighter mentality, that Flanagan could show promise, but doubt it.

Skyward
06-09-2004, 08:17 PM
I think there is no need to panic over that loss. Tim is suffering from the lack of practice on grass. He did not used to have such a long season on clay. ;) He should be fine at Wimbledon. He always plays well there and loses only to a champion or a runner up.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 08:23 PM
I think there is no need to panic over that loss. Tim is suffering from the lack of practice on grass. He did not used to have such a long season on clay. ;) He should be fine at Wimbledon. He always plays well there and loses only to a champion or a runner up.

tim henman is a natural serve and volley player, he plays at queens all year round , practising since 1992..he came up against a flashy player who just wipped him for fun, tim just cannot deal with these guys, doesnt matter where it is or what surface, uve seen at wimbledon, he survives cos of the fans, but jeeez, the writing is on the wall, still all the same crap in henmans game, no matter how you suger coat it, this is not a grand slam champion in the making, its all a bit :sad: but at least realistic

Wulfram
06-09-2004, 08:52 PM
henman deserves slagging, he's a gutless wimp. OOOH WINNING A MATCH, THATS SCARYYY !!!!

god 2 weeks of him at wimbledon showing the world we have the biggest try hard- but always fail patheticly..no wonder british tennis is a laughing stock, why cant we have a brit player with a street fighter mentality, that Flanagan could show promise, but doubt it.

Gutless wimps don't twice come back from 2 sets down to reach the semi-finals of a grandslam on their weakest surface. Nor do they beat Guga, Grosjean, Federer and Roddick in a single tournament.

This loss certainly wasn't indicative of mental weakness. In truth, he was outplayed for most of the match, yet still took it to 8-6 in the final set tie breaker.

Of course this loss is disappointing, but hardly the end of the world. Beck was playing well and had lots of Grass court practice while Henman had only recently got back on grass and was playing the week after what was perhaps the most impressive achievement in his career so far.

Shy
06-09-2004, 09:01 PM
No need to panick.It takes time to do a transition from clay to grass.He has not have a big break after playing two weeks on clay.So,he should be ok for Wimbledon.

Scotso
06-09-2004, 09:09 PM
I knew you could do it Karol :bounce: :woohoo:

keep going baby! :bounce:

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 09:30 PM
Gutless wimps don't twice come back from 2 sets down to reach the semi-finals of a grandslam on their weakest surface. Nor do they beat Guga, Grosjean, Federer and Roddick in a single tournament.

This loss certainly wasn't indicative of mental weakness. In truth, he was outplayed for most of the match, yet still took it to 8-6 in the final set tie breaker.

Of course this loss is disappointing, but hardly the end of the world. Beck was playing well and had lots of Grass court practice while Henman had only recently got back on grass and was playing the week after what was perhaps the most impressive achievement in his career so far.
i think those french open comebacks had more to do with him playing 2 frenchman who crumbled infront of theyre home fans (yes henmans knows all about that), and if karol beck can outplay henman for entire match on grass, what chance does this arse have of taking out federer/hewitt/roddick/nalbandian/grosjean's at wimbledon
grand slam champions do NOT get outplayed by karol beck's of this world, i dont care how anyone sugercoats it.

Wulfram
06-09-2004, 09:53 PM
i think those french open comebacks had more to do with him playing 2 frenchman who crumbled infront of theyre home fans (yes henmans knows all about that)

So basically you refuse to give Henman credit for anything. Fine.

I can't see why Henman would know about crumbling in front of your home fans when he has consistently played his best tennis at Wimbledon

, and if karol beck can outplay henman for entire match on grass, what chance does this arse have of taking out federer/hewitt/roddick/nalbandian/grosjean's at wimbledon
grand slam champions do NOT get outplayed by karol beck's of this world, i dont care how anyone sugercoats it.

If Henman plays like that, then he'll certainly lose to top players. However, I see no reason to believe he will not improve with further practice on Grass, particularly since he's always well performed at Wimbledon.

Sampras lost to Bastl at Wimbledon. Everyone has embarrassing losses sometimes.

Conan the Librarian
06-09-2004, 10:00 PM
Escude defines fairweather fan for Conan.

Chloe le Bopper
06-09-2004, 10:01 PM
I really don't think that this is anything to get excited about (unless you are a Beck fan, but I'm not talking about him here). It's *just* Queens, and he hasn't had the extra week to prepare that he usually gets. Come Wimbledon I'm sure that he'll have it sorted out, and he'll contend as most of us have been expecting

Deejay
06-09-2004, 10:04 PM
Escude you are talking complete rubbish. Henman is a top class player and every year he has to deal with the whole nation's pressure on his shoulders and deals with it admirably. Henman lost the match today because Beck had already had 1 to 2 weeks of playing on grass where as Henman was still in Paris not even half a week ago. For someone who has always had a long period of going from clay to grass and now this year has to make the transition in a matter of days, it would be naturally tough.

Also, you should know that in today's game, if you are not on the top of your game at all times you can lose to anyone out there, Eg - Agassi losing 1st round of the french, Hewitt losing to Karlovic, Ferrero losing to Andreev and even Sampras losing to Bastl. I could go on all day. So dont disrespect the 'Karol Becks of this world!!!'...

Denise
06-09-2004, 10:08 PM
hahahahaha..... Well done beck!!! :angel:

for henman... what happened??? for someone who came from RG semifinal... lost to beck? unbelivable :eek: :eek: :eek:

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 10:08 PM
I really don't think that this is anything to get excited about (unless you are a Beck fan, but I'm not talking about him here). It's *just* Queens, and he hasn't had the extra week to prepare that he usually gets. Come Wimbledon I'm sure that he'll have it sorted out, and he'll contend as most of us have been expecting

*just* queens!!?, i dont think mcenroe, connors, edberg, becker, sampras and hewitt had that way of looking at it, history shows they all pretty much done great at queens the years they won wimbledon

too add insult to injury henman wont even play at nottingham, yes tim, go into wimbledon 0-1 on grass you brainless prick, its days like this i can see why so many ppl hate henman, i just hope he gets drubbed at wimbledon early, and we can see some quality champions who know what it takes and have killer instinct...federer, hewitt

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 10:15 PM
Escude you are talking complete rubbish. Henman is a top class player and every year he has to deal with the whole nation's pressure on his shoulders and deals with it admirably. Henman lost the match today because Beck had already had 1 to 2 weeks of playing on grass where as Henman was still in Paris not even half a week ago. For someone who has always had a long period of going from clay to grass and now this year has to make the transition in a matter of days, it would be naturally tough.

Also, you should know that in today's game, if you are not on the top of your game at all times you can lose to anyone out there, Eg - Agassi losing 1st round of the french, Hewitt losing to Karlovic, Ferrero losing to Andreev and even Sampras losing to Bastl. I could go on all day. So dont disrespect the 'Karol Becks of this world!!!'...
yes, you can be another 1 of those sad british fans "ohhh you deal with pressure so well every year tim ohhh jolly bad luck you always get humped in the sf's" and save the beck was on grass whilst henman was on clay excuse, henman was brought up on grass all his life, and is a superb natural serve volley grass courter (as british tabloids/bbc/sue barker will constantly ram down our throats) wake up and smell the coffee, this guy cant beat karol beck at queens, he cannot go thru a 1st week at wimbledon without going thru at least 2 cliffhanger matches...........his concentration is crap, and he lacks killer instinct, its funny hearing the british public kiss his arse when he manages to scrape past the line v kratochvil's, andre sa's and tomas zib's at wimbledon "ohh brave tiger tim!!!" but guess what.....a few rounds later federer, sampras or hewitt (who progress without dropping a set most years) are waiting for him and smash him too pieces.

Deejay
06-09-2004, 11:21 PM
So what, he cant do it against the big guys at Wimbledon (not yet anyway), get over it. Henman doesnt play the game for people like you to sit there and slag him off, he deserves credit for the career he has had, alright he hasnt had a career like an Agassi or Sampras had, but many players would give anything to of had a career like his, at the end of the day, he is a well respected pro and you should show a little of respect as well I think...

Corey Feldman
06-09-2004, 11:35 PM
So what, he cant do it against the big guys at Wimbledon (not yet anyway), get over it. Henman doesnt play the game for people like you to sit there and slag him off, he deserves credit for the career he has had, alright he hasnt had a career like an Agassi or Sampras had, but many players would give anything to of had a career like his, at the end of the day, he is a well respected pro and you should show a little of respect as well I think...
i dont need to show respect, every1 has a right to feel what they want about tennis players, i am saying nothing bad about henman, i just feel alot better now that ive seen he hasnt got what it takes to be a champion, its a sad day, i couldnt care less about if he's respectyed, that is all a cop out for hiding the fact he cant win a grand slam ...i realised that today, and all ive heard from ppl is excuses about going from clay-grass, being tired, yada yada yada..if tim had lost 6-3 6-1 today, then ok, fair nuff, id have the same optomism as you about his wimbledon chances, but lets face it...he lacked the cutting edge when he had 2 chances to win this match today..my point this whole thread is..............federer, hewitt and roddick dont and wont lack that at wimbledon, henman will , there are just far to many average players who can have a great day v tim and its enuff, henman can never find a way to just get them out the way , everything has to be such a damn huge struggle

BaselineSmash
06-09-2004, 11:40 PM
Escude defines fairweather fan for Conan.

I think that's simplifying the point. In his more rational moments during this thread, Escude has highlighted the fact that Henman lacks that little something extra mentally that guys like Hewitt, Federer, Roddick et. al. have in spades. For someone as talented as Henman, his severe dips in concentration and propensity to let his nerves get the better of him has become unacceptable at the age of 29. It's hard to support someone who has fought very determinedly to the top of the game, and yet not built on that in key matches where he has missed numerous oppurtunities to make that further step upwards.

Everyone has their off days, yes, but Henman's losses (this year alone) have displayed recurrences of his severe lapses in mental application, even when playing really well e.g. against Canas in Australia, Ljubicic in Doha...The number of likewise matches over the course of his career is depressing for the more passionate fans among us. It's unfair to dismiss people who are outspoken about his losses as "fairweather fans". I for one am happy to support Olivier Rochus, for example, every time I see him play because I think he has maximised the talent he possesses. Converesely, I find it a big chore to root for Henman (who is ranked leagues above Rochus) because he so often comes up short when he shouldn't. He should have more titles by now, plain and simple.

WyveN
06-09-2004, 11:57 PM
Tim might regret making the semis of the FO, it is pretty obvious Roddick/Federer have a huge advantage due to their early exit and with the grass season being so short Tim may not adjust to grass completely like he did every other year. There is no way he should be losing to Beck on grass under any circumstances.

Having said that Queens is just a tune up so Tim wont be that concerned.

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 12:06 AM
Tim might regret making the semis of the FO, it is pretty obvious Roddick/Federer have a huge advantage due to their early exit and with the grass season being so short Tim may not adjust to grass completely like he did every other year. There is no way he should be losing to Beck on grass under any circumstances.

Having said that Queens is just a tune up so Tim wont be that concerned.
thats what i mean, i cant believe he isnt even playing wimbledon, i mean how much more of a brainfart can he be !!

TennisLurker
06-10-2004, 12:10 AM
I thought Henman grew up playing on grass, adjusting to grass shouldnt take more than 1 day or 2.

Anyway, I wouldnt worry about henman not adjusting to grass completely, or not adjusting as well as roddick or federer, he will be training on grass during this week and the next one, and his early opponents in wimbledon probably will be easy for him.

TennisLurker
06-10-2004, 12:11 AM
thats what i mean, i cant believe he isnt even playing wimbledon, i mean how much more of a brainfart can he be !!

henman isnt playing wimbledon???

what?

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 12:18 AM
I thought Henman grew up playing on grass, adjusting to grass shouldnt take more than 1 day or 2.

Anyway, I wouldnt worry about henman not adjusting to grass completely, or not adjusting as well as roddick or federer, he will be training on grass during this week and the next one, and his early opponents in wimbledon probably will be easy for him.
i looked at the queens draw and thought karol beck might be an easy draw *eek*, he'll needa train like mad tho, there is no substitute for real matches, tim will go well at wimbledon , but yesterday i thought "hmm when he needs to beat federer, hewitt and agassi's, maybe this year he can do it!!!"....... but today...i fear he's still to far behind, put it this way, for henman to win wimbledon it would needa be like the Goran ivanisevic story in 2001..you knew theyre was "higher forces" looking out for goran that weekend and fair nuff, goran deserved that.........i think tim needs that on his side, and fof course, henman also deserves it, but days like this are happening al to much in his career... double faulting when 4-2 up in the tie break v beck at queens, i mean come on...imagine what he'd be doing in such a situation v roddick, hewitt or federer in the sf at wimbledon, the people in the royal box would be in danger of getting hit by his serves.

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 12:19 AM
henman isnt playing wimbledon???

what?
oops got ya there eh ;)....i meant Nottingham off course

gotten wimbledon obsessed today! :mad:

MissPovaFan
06-10-2004, 01:48 AM
hmmm not too sure that Henman should be thinking about going to Nottingham anyway - ok 1 or 2 rounds would be ideal, maybe even 3 but its very likely that he will have to play 5 matches next week which coulddrain him especially after the amount of tenni he played at the French. (remember he didnt have much practice immediately before Roland Garros as he went out early at Hamburg)

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 02:11 AM
hmmm not too sure that Henman should be thinking about going to Nottingham anyway - ok 1 or 2 rounds would be ideal, maybe even 3 but its very likely that he will have to play 5 matches next week which coulddrain him especially after the amount of tenni he played at the French. (remember he didnt have much practice immediately before Roland Garros as he went out early at Hamburg)
there are always pro's and cons to these kinda things, and ok the good thing is he'll be well rested and eager for his 1st match at wimbledon...........but the downside of it is he's going into wimby having not got 1 single grass win under his belt, the last time that happened was 2000 (and sure enuff, had his worst wimbledon result during the 1996-2003 period; 4th rnd)

MissPovaFan
06-10-2004, 02:15 AM
Maybe he could enter Rosmalen then to keep him out of the spotlight and keep everything low key? The British press are bound to attempt to ruin him after this especially with Jonny Marray and Ian Flanagan doing well... Tim doesnt need this added pressure - something which he didnt get in his two successful tournaments in Paris.

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 02:32 AM
yes paul, but i doubt that.....the press dont bother tim and it wont after this loss.......tim has enuff worries of his own, its that 2nd serve and he knows it fine well....he can sugercoat it with "adjusting to grass from clay" or "not enuff time to prepare, need to improve my movement"...but he knows swingers like beck can take his serve apart on crucial points.....i mean look at match point in the tie break for Beck, tim hit a decent serve, but it got ripped and that was game over.......he knows federer and worse, hewitt will do the same ....... he said he's gonna play exhabitions in bolton or something...he needs to make them very very competative exhabitions

MissPovaFan
06-10-2004, 02:38 AM
he said he's gonna play exhabitions in bolton or something...he needs to make them very very competative exhabitions

Ah good thats at least better than the practice courts I suppose. Certainly needs to work on that second serve as you said :sad:

Layla
06-10-2004, 02:39 AM
Alright, enuff is enuff. I got your point the first time. For further pleasure of tearing down everyone's favorite tiger, please dial 1-800-HENMAN-SUCKS. LOL, if I set up a hotline in Britain during this time of the year, I could make billions.

Seriously though, that is the point that BaselineSmash thinks was obscured. With a whole nation of you behind him, it's a wonder he's done as well as he did. You complain about his mental fitness, yet a lot of Henman's countrymen have done nothing but try to destroy it, as if they want him to say screw you and shove the cherished Wimbledon trophy in your face. I don't think negative psychology works well with Henman, to be honest.

We're not talking about the pressure of disappointing your home crowd. This is the pressure of observing vultures circling over your head ready to descend and tear you up every time you miss the first serve. That kind of pressure is not healthy and is more likely to produce double faults at crucial points. Having said that, Henman seems mentally stronger to me these days, even though you probably won't agree with me. He played quite a few dangerous points in the match very well, otherwise the score really would have been 6-2 6-2, and no, that wouldn't have been better.

Last year I had the misfortune of venturing onto the BBC message board and I was deeply shocked by the venom and obscenity that was hurled at Henman there even before Wimbledon had begun. Frankly, I was sick to my stomach. I don't think players need that kind of support.

Beck played an outstanding match, Tim was a bit rusty, but not playing badly, it's as simple as that. And yes, he lost the tie-break. It happens. A lot. To every player under the sun.

I'm sad it happened to Tim today, but his Wimbledon prospects remain the same. His chances are admittedly rather slim, but they exist. Saying he has no chance in hell is pretending to be a psychic. Let's just see what happens, shall we?

Chloe le Bopper
06-10-2004, 02:45 AM
*just* queens!!?, i dont think mcenroe, connors, edberg, becker, sampras and hewitt had that way of looking at it, history shows they all pretty much done great at queens the years they won wimbledon

too add insult to injury henman wont even play at nottingham, yes tim, go into wimbledon 0-1 on grass you brainless prick, its days like this i can see why so many ppl hate henman, i just hope he gets drubbed at wimbledon early, and we can see some quality champions who know what it takes and have killer instinct...federer, hewitt
Half asleep as I am, I thought you were calling *me* a brainless prick. The good news for all of us is that I took the time to reread the post before replying :D

Anyways, uh... I really think you are exaggerating. Henman will be fine. Whatever ;)

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 02:49 AM
layla, be quiet, if we want to bash henman we can :) its our right :) plus its not like he reads any of this :) i happen to think im more REALISTIC than most of henmans fans, i havnt said he cant win wimbledon, im discussing players he probably cannot beat... and the faults with his game (which every player has, and every player has pressure from ppl too, they are paid millions and have no complaints if the fans are behind them/or not cos most of them dont give a shit about fans anyway, why should they, its a individual sport, everything is on henman/whoever own shoulders) ppl being negative about henman wont bother how he plays in anyway what so ever, it hasnt before, but ppl can still say what they want about his game on these boards cant they??? or not in this case because it obvioisly touched a raw nerve in you. pfft

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 02:52 AM
Half asleep as I am, I thought you were calling *me* a brainless prick. The good news for all of us is that I took the time to reread the post before replying :D

Anyways, uh... I really think you are exaggerating. Henman will be fine. Whatever ;)

lol i would never say such a vile thing about a female :angel: ....henman, well he is a prick :)

the loss today was bad and well.............sometimes closet henman fans just wanna let of the steam , my main frustration is waiting for wimbledon to start now, 10 days is an eternity

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 02:54 AM
OK Escude look at it from another angle - look at how hard the players have had to have played to have beaten Henman. Ljubicic 7/6 3rd set, Melzer 7/6 3rd set, Beck 7/6 3rd set, Coria 4 sets on most favourite surface. Come on - cut this guy some slack!!!! I wanted him to miss Queen's because i never though he could mount a serious title challenge. Beck was dangerous for any player - he has played so well against bigger servers than Henman and i knew immediately that that spelled trouble and he would be seriously up against it. He has just come off an immense run on clay, for crying out loud and you guys want to slag him off?!! That is absolutely PATHETIC.

He should have done what i said he should have done - gone to Nottingham and won a few matches there. He is still a serious title contender at Wimbledon BUT with just 1 match on grass as preparation he is unfortunately a sitting duck in the early couple rounds like Andre was at Paris. Goooo to Nottingham or the exhibition matches Tim!! Don't just sit on your butt!!! :)

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 02:58 AM
yes, you can be another 1 of those sad british fans "ohhh you deal with pressure so well every year tim ohhh jolly bad luck you always get humped in the sf's" and save the beck was on grass whilst henman was on clay excuse, henman was brought up on grass all his life, and is a superb natural serve volley grass courter (as british tabloids/bbc/sue barker will constantly ram down our throats) wake up and smell the coffee, this guy cant beat karol beck at queens, he cannot go thru a 1st week at wimbledon without going thru at least 2 cliffhanger matches...........his concentration is crap, and he lacks killer instinct, its funny hearing the british public kiss his arse when he manages to scrape past the line v kratochvil's, andre sa's and tomas zib's at wimbledon "ohh brave tiger tim!!!" but guess what.....a few rounds later federer, sampras or hewitt (who progress without dropping a set most years) are waiting for him and smash him too pieces.


You spineless prick - all you can do is get at our best player since the Fred Perry era. Everyone wants him to win Wimbledon but don't you think he has done well anyway by getting to the semis 4 times? He didn't exactly lose to chumps every time then - he lost to the eventual champions. In a few eyears time when we have NO ONE at the top level then you will think back and realise how good he was for us you ungrateful twat.

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:02 AM
OK Escude look at it from another angle - look at how hard the players have had to have played to have beaten Henman. Ljubicic 7/6 3rd set, Melzer 7/6 3rd set, Beck 7/6 3rd set, Coria 4 sets on most favourite surface. Come on - cut this guy some slack!!!! I wanted him to miss Queen's because i never though he could mount a serious title challenge. Beck was dangerous for any player - he has played so well against bigger servers than Henman and i knew immediately that that spelled trouble and he would be seriously up against it. He has just come off an immense run on clay, for crying out loud and you guys want to slag him off?!! That is absolutely PATHETIC.

He should have done what i said he should have done - gone to Nottingham and won a few matches there. He is still a serious title contender at Wimbledon BUT with just 1 match on grass as preparation he is unfortunately a sitting duck in the early couple rounds like Andre was at Paris. Goooo to Nottingham or the exhibition matches Tim!! Don't just sit on your butt!!! :)
EHH are u serious?? melzer, beck, ljubicic are players tim SHOULD BE BEATING, not fucking choking away tie breaks, god knows the chances he blew v coria at 4-2 up in the 2nd....5-3 up in the 4th. look at the patterns, shit start, good middle, shit endings..if you cant see ho flawed and utterly shit his concentration is your blind, to many brits like you with that typical "look how well he tried! look how close he was! " bottom line: not good enuff to win slams :)

we'll see when federer or hewitt torture him at wimbledon, but he wont make it that far.

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 03:03 AM
EHH are u serious?? melzer, beck, ljubicic are players tim SHOULD BE BEATING, not fucking choking away tie breaks, god knows the chances he blew v coria at 4-2 up in the 2nd....5-3 up in the 4th. look at the patterns, shit start, good middle, shit endings..if you cant see ho flawed and utterly shit his concentration is your blind, to many brits like you with that typical "look how well he tried! look how close he was! " bottom line: not good enuff to win slams :)

we'll see when federer or hewitt torture him at wimbledon, but he wont make it that far.

Pretty much sums up how little you know...

Layla
06-10-2004, 03:04 AM
layla, be quiet, if we want to bash henman we can :) its our right :) plus its not like he reads any of this :) i happen to think im more REALISTIC than most of henmans fans, i havnt said he cant win wimbledon, im discussing players he probably cannot beat... and the faults with his game (which every player has, and every player has pressure from ppl too, they are paid millions and have no complaints if the fans are behind them/or not cos most of them dont give a shit about fans anyway, why should they, its a individual sport, everything is on henman/whoever own shoulders) ppl being negative about henman wont bother how he plays in anyway what so ever, it hasnt before, but ppl can still say what they want about his game on these boards cant they??? or not in this case because it obvioisly touched a raw nerve in you. pfft

LOL, I really don't think I'm the one with a raw nerve. ;) Of course you can criticize him all you want, it's a (more or less) free board. I'm just saying there's really no need to repeat the same (venomous) point a zillion times, but you have every right to continue doing so. Don't mind me if I tune out though.

No, in all probability he doesn't read this board. In fact, I hope that no player ever ventures in here. But what was said here mirrors what is said in the papers year after year. Do you honestly think a human being can just shrug it off if he's being crucified by the entire nation for every mistake he does and every serve he misses? That Henman is imune to criticism that relentless and severe? I don't believe that for a second.

Fans play their role in sports, that's a fact. I just don't understand fans who feel the need to kick their favorite sportsmen when they're down or rather not playing as well as they think they should. But then, different strokes... If I tried to understand every single person on this planet, I would go insane before I got to 10.

So, never mind me. Carry on if you don't agree it's time you took a chill pill. ;)

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:05 AM
Jez, u are exactly the reason why britain is such a laughed at nation, especially in tennis....... "0ooooo 4 SF'S, that makes him such a total legend, aww poor little timmy, he tries so hard but awwww he LOSES"

u have the fucking mentality of a wimp if you think thats so great to accept (when henman clearly has the talent for so much better than sf's) and u call me spineless.......... youre brainless you stupid wanker

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:09 AM
look at jez with his pathetic homage's to delgado, marray, flanagan and all those other pathetic brits who have won a career total of about 5 matches in theyre career LOL, i suppose theyre legends as well to some1 of your standards lol

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:12 AM
LOL, I really don't think I'm the one with a raw nerve. ;) Of course you can criticize him all you want, it's a (more or less) free board. I'm just saying there's really no need to repeat the same (venomous) point a zillion times, but you have every right to continue doing so. Don't mind me if I tune out though.

No, in all probability he doesn't read this board. In fact, I hope that no player ever ventures in here. But what was said here mirrors what is said in the papers year after year. Do you honestly think a human being can just shrug it off if he's being crucified by the entire nation for every mistake he does and every serve he misses? That Henman is imune to criticism that relentless and severe? I don't believe that for a second.

Fans play their role in sports, that's a fact. I just don't understand fans who feel the need to kick their favorite sportsmen when they're down or rather not playing as well as they think they should. But then, different strokes... If I tried to understand every single person on this planet, I would go insane before I got to 10.

So, never mind me. Carry on if you don't agree it's time you took a chill pill. ;)
yes do tune out please, your contribution has been pretty crap and not needed anyway lol, i dont wanna take a chill pill, it might mix with my viagra pill and that could be disasterous

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:22 AM
Pretty much sums up how little you know...
lol you are such a pathetic little brainfart, its deluded fans of henman like you, that give some many pleasure when tim does get stuffed, *oo nevermind timothy, best of luck next time jolly old chap, he is such a grand slam SF'ist legend of the likes no1 has ever seen* :)

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 03:26 AM
lol you are such a pathetic little brainfart, its deluded fans of henman like you, that give some many pleasure when tim does get stuffed, *oo nevermind timothy, best of luck next time jolly old chap, he is such a grand slam SF'ist legend of the likes no1 has ever seen* :)


I am one of the many "fans" that takes pleasure in the great things he has achieved, including getting us back on the map in terms of Davis Cup, or had you forgotten that?

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:30 AM
I am one of the many "fans" that takes pleasure in the great things he has achieved, including getting us back on the map in terms of Davis Cup, or had you forgotten that?

OMG tell me you did not say that!!!???

davis cup?? huh?? you mean that team competition where we have not won a world group MATCH since 1986 or something ?? LOL

but hey jez-a-bell.........if tim getting some "hard earned" wins over the likes of portuguese, new zealand, emmm who else, algeria in 1996 or something? of and that thailand no2 nopachoppy or something!, but o yer, were right on the map alright lolll.

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:32 AM
i resent you calling yourself a henman fan, your a henman fanatic....not a fan

TennisLurker
06-10-2004, 03:32 AM
with fans like these, who needs?

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:37 AM
with fans like these, who needs?
lol i do hope henman wins wimbledon, but im realistic, its like saying , i do hope scotland win the football world cup in 2006....

if henman won wimby id be glad to get right stick from all the henman "fanatics".........but then again, we ALL know that aint ever gonna happen, just like scotland wont win the WC :cry:

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 03:44 AM
im off to bed anyway, its become far too late to put up with the rantings of henman fanatics who totally lose the plot when they hear some home truths about him (cough cough DENIAL) :)

night suckers

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 03:46 AM
lol i do hope henman wins wimbledon, but im realistic, its like saying , i do hope scotland win the football world cup in 2006....

if henman won wimby id be glad to get right stick from all the henman "fanatics".........but then again, we ALL know that aint ever gonna happen, just like scotland wont win the WC :cry:


Why don't you just shut up and ride on board with the Henman fans? With your current behaviour, you have absolutely no right to revel in any good moment Henman has in his career from now. All you can do is the same as any "fair-weather" player supporter - support them when they are performing well and kick them when they don't. I can't even believe that these offensive remarks are comng from an Englishman! As a Scotsman Escude, which Scottish player do you see doing well? The only Scotts player i see is a gutless "player" called Mackin.

Havok
06-10-2004, 03:49 AM
:scared: what this thread has turned into :scared:

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 03:51 AM
:scared: what this thread has turned into :scared:

This is what happens when a couple of people who know little about a player and his recent good form try to slag him off for a performance that he should never should have given in the first place...

YoursTruly
06-10-2004, 06:17 AM
Lots of shockers early in the grass court season!!! And Tim, well I guess there's too much clay on his feet still. :lol:

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 08:00 AM
Lots of shockers early in the grass court season!!! And Tim, well I guess there's too much clay on his feet still. :lol:

Slid and slipped to defeat as they say! :lol:

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 12:58 PM
Why don't you just shut up and ride on board with the Henman fans? With your current behaviour, you have absolutely no right to revel in any good moment Henman has in his career from now. All you can do is the same as any "fair-weather" player supporter - support them when they are performing well and kick them when they don't. I can't even believe that these offensive remarks are comng from an Englishman! As a Scotsman Escude, which Scottish player do you see doing well? The only Scotts player i see is a gutless "player" called Mackin.
denial denial denial :)

i like tennis being played in a classy way, federer, sampras..a totally different planet from some1 like Henman, jez is just a sad little brit who "revels" in the old "shut up, our timmy is great, our timmy gives his best, our timmy bla bla bla, dont kick him when he's down or losing crap" do you think your big hero is watching you or something? lol what a tosser
and i wont revel in any of his future sucesses, winning adelaide or reaching the qf of st polten in 2004 isnt that much to shout about lol

BaselineSmash
06-10-2004, 01:37 PM
Why don't you just shut up and ride on board with the Henman fans? With your current behaviour, you have absolutely no right to revel in any good moment Henman has in his career from now. All you can do is the same as any "fair-weather" player supporter - support them when they are performing well and kick them when they don't. I can't even believe that these offensive remarks are comng from an Englishman! As a Scotsman Escude, which Scottish player do you see doing well? The only Scotts player i see is a gutless "player" called Mackin.

That's really quite despicable, Jez -yeah, bring centuries of bad blood between Scots and Englishmen into the thread. Totally inappropriate, and I thought you had a sense of humour, not to say an intelligence which I wouldn't have expected to make such a cheap shot. And given the fact that Escude had already made a self-deprecating remark about how bad Scotland are at football, I don't possibly see where you could have thought it necessary to bring aggressive nationalism into it.

And as for your dismissal of some as "PATHETIC" because they are criticising Henman, it comes off as an easy way of evading some of the VALID points made herein; and need I really say that you should try to avoid making personal attacks on people you don't know? :rolleyes: Escude has gone a bit overboard at times here (calling Henman a "prick" is too much), but I will reiterate what I've said earlier in that I agree with him on Tim's lack of consistent mental strength. Yes, yes, he can't be expected to win all the time, but the multitude of missed opportunities in the course of his career is pretty alarming for someone as gifted as he is.

I personally would like to know if you really think his series of missed chances means nothing compared to his achievements.

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 01:55 PM
he he he baselinesmash

well i can understand jez getting all defensive when ppl comfront henman fanatics with reality about tim, rather than accept some valid points they go into these weird-as-fuck rants about how ppl should get off his back, have respect for his EFFORTS, have respect for how he always makes the sf at wimby yada yada you know what i mean.......... i was once like that as well when ppl pointed out things about henman (defending tim)

but this thread, well its weird, i pointed out a few valid points about henman not being good enuff, and all of a sudden these henman fanatics come from somewhere and totally insult you, (which means nothing on a message board :)).....but to me its a sure sign of denial that ppl like him get so pissed off, rather than just read and say something like "oh well, we'll see when he does well at wimbledon :)", but theyre moronic little brains cant handle the fact some1 else might win wimbledon

as for the scottish/english thing, we've all seen braveheart.....we all know what happened there :D

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 01:58 PM
the obsessed arrogant english wont see this until after flanagan has lost to grosjean....they'll be here with theyre "awwww hard luck young Ian, great effort to get stuffed by grosjean....PPFT ESCUDE, you are pathetic!!! flanagan is a world class 2 match winner at Queens. how dare you SLAG HIM!, our players arnt here for you TO SLAg , show respect!! BOO HOO SOB SOB" lollllll

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 02:02 PM
That's really quite despicable, Jez -yeah, bring centuries of bad blood between Scots and Englishmen into the thread. Totally inappropriate, and I thought you had a sense of humour, not to say an intelligence which I wouldn't have expected to make such a cheap shot. And given the fact that Escude had already made a self-deprecating remark about how bad Scotland are at football, I don't possibly see where you could have thought it necessary to bring aggressive nationalism into it.

And as for your dismissal of some as "PATHETIC" because they are criticising Henman, it comes off as an easy way of evading some of the VALID points made herein; and need I really say that you should try to avoid making personal attacks on people you don't know? :rolleyes: Escude has gone a bit overboard at times here (calling Henman a "prick" is too much), but I will reiterate what I've said earlier in that I agree with him on Tim's lack of consistent mental strength. Yes, yes, he can't be expected to win all the time, but the multitude of missed opportunities in the course of his career is pretty alarming for someone as gifted as he is.

I personally would like to know if you really think his series of missed chances means nothing compared to his achievements.

I don't give respect to people who write daft things. Give a player the respect he deserves, especially if he is a fan as he says he is, which i still can't quite comprehend for all the things he said about him. Yes he underperformed yesterday and in other matches, and yes he isn't worthy of top 3 in the world but slamming him for a defeat like that is a little insensitive. I don't care about people saying he can't win a grand slam - he can but the question is whether he will, which is possible. Hell - Gaudio won the French Open from no - where, as did Johansson in the Aussie Open andto some extent Costa at the French 2 years ago.

How do you know i'm intelligent - i could be the most stupid person on this planet. :)

Horatio Caine
06-10-2004, 02:08 PM
the obsessed arrogant english wont see this until after flanagan has lost to grosjean....they'll be here with theyre "awwww hard luck young Ian, great effort to get stuffed by grosjean....PPFT ESCUDE, you are pathetic!!! flanagan is a world class 2 match winner at Queens. how dare you SLAG HIM!, our players arnt here for you TO SLAg , show respect!! BOO HOO SOB SOB" lollllll

He does deserve credit for getting as far as he did and it was obvious that Grosjean was going to roast him and eat him for lunch, as will Hewitt with Marray since he is basically playing a less skilled Tim Henman. The question is whether Flanagan will build on this...and hopefully he will.

Results update - Mackin bt ? 6/1 6/1. Turkish Satellite Tour. Mackin seems to love pasting players that don't have rankings. At 280 odd in the world he should really be challengers and futures events - i would like to see him get his ranking higher but i would also like to see him actually play players that know how to hold a racquet properly.

In fact why did Mackin choose the satellite over a Wimbledon WC?

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 02:11 PM
Jez your a true twat, who do you think you are to tell ppl who they can and cant respect, i never said henman cant win wimbledon/a grand slam.........i said theyre are certain players who'd rip henman up on a good day, its a fact, id say that about any1, and id have a go at federer or any player who double faults in tie breaks, thats not a crime is it ??!

im not really a great fan of henman, i love serve + volley, especially federer, escude and bjorkman, i like watchign tim in full flow and the french open was great, seeing a serve volleyer carve thru the field, but i am not a arse-kissing , wont have a-bad-word said about OUR timmy, fanatic like some NUDGE WINK...its those ppl who ruin wimbledon with there completely over the top behavior

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 02:13 PM
jez:In fact why did Mackin choose the satellite over a Wimbledon WC?

a british player who wants to improve himself/his ranking.rather than go to wimby and get a stuffing in round 1.......thats good to me.

he lost to grosjean. OHHHHH HARD LUCK JOLLY YOUNG CHAP :D

Layla
06-10-2004, 02:25 PM
BaselineSmash, I don't think anyone is refuting those few valid points Escude made at the beginning, even though his utter exaggeration of them and a string of insults eriously reduce their value. Newsflash, Henman isn't a perfect player, he has his failings and his strengths. Points about his lack of mental strength and failure to take advantage of some (and I emphasize the word some) opportunities are not exactly new insights. There's nothing wrong with criticizing players and pointing out their flaws, but it depends on the manner of doing it. This thread is not an example of constructive criticism. It's just bile.

For the record, I'm not British and my life does not depend on Tim winning Wimbledon. If he never achieves it, I'll still respect him as a player. I have favorite outside top 100. I fail to see why they don't deserve my respect because they're not number one. I've always been realistic about Tim's chances in Wimbledon.

At the risk of repeating myself, here's my final message to some of the more vitriolic Henman fans:

There's not much you can do about Henman's mistakes. There's only one thing you can do as a fan to help Henman win Wimbledon and that is to stop ragging on him and insulting him and give him some support. Viciously attacking him will NOT make him mentally stronger. And if you don't want him to win Wimbledon, then why are you so upset? Think about it. Pick your side and stick to it.

I guess I just don't believe in tough love.

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 02:53 PM
ok thx for the input layla, now scram :)

Wulfram
06-10-2004, 02:58 PM
Henman's form is a bit inconsistent, but it's irrational to just look at the bad bits. He's got lots of good victories recently, which mostly outshine the bad losses this year - though the defeat to Canas was terrible, and the loss to Melzer disappointing though somewhat understandable given the previous week.

I can't see all that many missed opportunities, actually. Yes, he's 0-5 in Slam semis, but that's a consequence of always drawing the future Wimbledon champion in the semis, and meeting the best clay courter in the world.

I don't think consistency is the mark of a champion, anyway. What makes a champion is playing your best when it really counts, and Henman has consistently played his at Wimbledon - though his best obviously has not been enough so far.

This loss - well, it's only important if it's indicative of how he'll play to Wimbledon and that's something which we can't tell until it's happened. Philipoussis went out in the first round of Queen's last year and ended up reaching the final at Wimbly, but when he won in Queens he went out in the first round of Wimbledon, so it isn't a perfect form guide by any means.

Scotso
06-10-2004, 06:12 PM
and now Karol beat Karlovic :bounce:

Corey Feldman
06-10-2004, 06:16 PM
Karol is slowly becoming a grass court legend ;)