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Premium users and its (dis)advantages

FilipeMB
12-31-2007, 01:22 PM
Please admins,
I come here in ordr to represent all the premium users of MTF. I have paid 25 dollars for something. I'd like a ad-free environment and the option to change my nick. In my personal case, actually the first one. I'm using my father's notebook while in vacation and I can't use any navigator but IE so I can't use any add-on in order to make ads disappear.
Please consider what I'm saying and take ads out for premium users. I believe most (if not all) of them have paid 10/25 dollars not for a picture showing they're premium users.

:wavey:

Tytta!.
12-31-2007, 03:46 PM
Totally agreed, Felipe.

I paid $25 for this and it was a waste of money, really. If you want to get more premium members you better give us more advantages than disadvantages. And one of the first things to do is get rid of all these ads that now are posts and can't be blocked with Firefox and other browsers. :wavey:

What a joke. :help:

Sean.J.S.
12-31-2007, 03:59 PM
I'm glad I never got a premium membership. :o

FilipeMB
12-31-2007, 04:09 PM
Oh come on, there is now google ads in the posts, then google ads in the right side of the posts then the two verticalscope/sports ads when occasionally I click mistakely.

Jelena
12-31-2007, 04:11 PM
I'm glad I never got a premium membership. :o
I wholeheartedly agree.

Tytta!.
12-31-2007, 04:14 PM
Oh come on, there is now google ads in the posts, then google ads in the right side of the posts then the two verticalscope/sports ads when occasionally I click mistakely.

WTF? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

GlennMirnyi
12-31-2007, 04:14 PM
True, and I want the freaking option to change my username back... asap! :o

Jelena
12-31-2007, 04:16 PM
True, and I want the freaking option to change my username back... asap! :o
I assume you won't pay again the time your membership expires. ;)

FilipeMB
12-31-2007, 04:18 PM
WTF? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

:lol: I was trying to return to forum index

Deboogle!.
12-31-2007, 04:57 PM
Completely agree. And doing all of this without making announcements about it makes it all the more annoying.

Neely
12-31-2007, 05:53 PM
I hope it's only temporary that premium members can't change their username anymore :tape: Unbelievable that this is gone now :eek:

And an ad-free experience for premium members would be of the highest priority for me. I hope they can realize that soon because people who already financially supported the forum shouldn't view these ads (or only very very few ones) at all. As for the free users and guests, they would have to endure the ads. This would be the fairest solution IMO.

FilipeMB
12-31-2007, 06:10 PM
I hope it's only temporary that premium members can't change their username anymore :tape: Unbelievable that this is gone now :eek:

And an ad-free experience for premium members would be of the highest priority for me. I hope they can realize that soon because people who already financially supported the forum shouldn't view these ads (or only very very few ones) at all. As for the free users and guests, they would have to endure the ads. This would be the fairest solution IMO.

And the worst is that we don't get nothing back from Steve about this two situations.

*Ljubica*
12-31-2007, 06:21 PM
Totally support you in this Filipe - thanks for starting this thread.

snaillyyy
12-31-2007, 06:34 PM
Completely agree with what has been said. I didn't pay the membership to have more ads than ever!

tangerine_dream
12-31-2007, 07:47 PM
I guess I'll consider my premium membership a small donation to MTF for the four years I have enjoyed this place ad- and trouble-free before it became ruined with their "upgrades" that now gives us annoying ads, kontera/intellitext, "premium" membership that isn't so premium, endless error messages, inaccessable photo galleries, duplicate or missing posts, slow-as-molasses server, and general everyday frustration when trying to have a simple conversation which is next to impossible now, as Interlaken put so aptly a while ago:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/1610.jpg

Jelena
12-31-2007, 08:17 PM
I guess I'll consider my premium membership a small donation to MTF for the four years I have enjoyed this place ad- and trouble-free before it became ruined with their "upgrades" that now gives us annoying ads, kontera/intellitext, "premium" membership that isn't so premium, endless error messages, inaccessable photo galleries, duplicate or missing posts, slow-as-molasses server, and general everyday frustration when trying to have a simple conversation which is next to impossible now, as Interlaken put so aptly a while ago:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/1610.jpg
:lol: I remember that pic. :haha: It was in a time when it was really nearly impossible to post 2 posts in five mins. But now it's getting ridiculous in another part of mtf. There are people PAYING for something that brings them effectively nearly nothing in advantage to non-paying users. And that is simply unfair. That brings and already some time ago brought me to the conclusion that I wouldn't give a single penny for mtf. Reading what "year-long" premium users write, I doubt that many of them will prolounge their paying membership in the time when the membership expires. That should be something to bother the staff around Steve, but seeing that they don't react at all, I don't know if they care at all. :tape:

FilipeMB
12-31-2007, 09:09 PM
I guess I'll consider my premium membership a small donation to MTF for the four years I have enjoyed this place ad- and trouble-free before it became ruined with their "upgrades" that now gives us annoying ads, kontera/intellitext, "premium" membership that isn't so premium, endless error messages, inaccessable photo galleries, duplicate or missing posts, slow-as-molasses server, and general everyday frustration when trying to have a simple conversation which is next to impossible now, as Interlaken put so aptly a while ago:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/1610.jpg

I mean, I considered the premium membership as a donation for MTF for being this receptive place that it has been to me. But I want something more. And I believe PHP and SQL code is not too hard to verify if the user is premium user or not and then make available a lay-out in user cp without the ads...

FilipeMB
12-31-2007, 09:10 PM
Please click on our ads if you want DecoTurf Tennis Courts. I mean, less than 0.0001% of our users are club owners :p.

What a nice link-

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=B55X2nWh5R6XUAov04QGUnenWAsybiEGI3u2RBMCNtwGwrh UQAhgCIJLLxwMoAjgAUJv9sYcCYM2g7ICsA6ABjLqp_AOqAQo3 NDgwNDYxMjE3sgEYd3d3Lm1lbnN0ZW5uaXNmb3J1bXMuY29tug EKMzAweDI1MF9hc8gBAdoBQWh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWVuc3Rlbm5p c2ZvcnVtcy5jb20vc2hvd3RocmVhZC5waHA_cD02Mzc0MDM4Jn Bvc3RlZD0xyAKgqMYBqAMByAMH6AOGAugDgQT1AwABAAA&num=2&adurl=http://geoswitch.dada.net/mobi/&client=ca-pub-8244871030329537&nm=22

jayjay
12-31-2007, 09:35 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/1610.jpg

:lol:

El Legenda
12-31-2007, 09:38 PM
how long does a 1 year membership last?
because mine has been going since summer 2005 :lol:

FilipeMB
12-31-2007, 09:42 PM
how long does a 1 year membership last?
because mine has been going since summer 2005 :lol:

:lol: :lol:

Kolya
01-01-2008, 11:48 AM
Does this problem occur with the 2007 layout style or with the blue as well?

Neely
01-01-2008, 02:18 PM
:lol: I remember that pic. :haha: It was in a time when it was really nearly impossible to post 2 posts in five mins. But now it's getting ridiculous in another part of mtf.
Sure, it's annoying for us all but my guess is that such things will always happen again becauses it's an enormous job to keep such a website running without almost any fix revenues. I don't believe all people realize how big it really is as you don't get any far with such offers from hosting companies you sometimes find in magazines where you get webspace with 10GB traffic/month for 19.99€ or so :lol: Such a site needs much more, especially more CPUs, CPU power and RAM because almost every page request sent to users is dynamic, and these can be many per minute if you only calculate every user/guest is updating a page once per minute. And the amount of request sent to a server of this site is quite a lot, also consider live score threads which are refreshed many many times. Not to mention server-based scripts, the search function, etc.

All that said, it is of course still annoying for us, and as I said already, I also think that premium uses would not deserve to view ads; and I hope that the "remove advertisements" link will work properly. But don't be too mad if you can't post twice in five minutes for some days or if the server has a complete brainfart for some days, it's really a lot behind it.

FilipeMB
01-01-2008, 02:50 PM
and these can be many per minute if you only calculate every user/guest is updating a page once per minute.

I don't believe it's the best idea for the forum but what about close ability to read the forum for the guest. I mean, forums with a lot of traffic must do that, no?
And I'm asking for a change for users who supports the site, who gives the money to keep the site running because I believe less than 5% of MTF users clicks on these ads. I click on it sometimes in order to support the website or by mistake.
I believe people would be quite interessed on paying 10 dollars a year or 25 for a life-time security that they won't have their space hassared by ads.

Jelena
01-01-2008, 03:21 PM
Sure, it's annoying for us all but my guess is that such things will always happen again becauses it's an enormous job to keep such a website running without almost any fix revenues. I don't believe all people realize how big it really is as you don't get any far with such offers from hosting companies you sometimes find in magazines where you get webspace with 10GB traffic/month for 19.99€ or so :lol: Such a site needs much more, especially more CPUs, CPU power and RAM because almost every page request sent to users is dynamic, and these can be many per minute if you only calculate every user/guest is updating a page once per minute. And the amount of request sent to a server of this site is quite a lot, also consider live score threads which are refreshed many many times. Not to mention server-based scripts, the search function, etc.

All that said, it is of course still annoying for us, and as I said already, I also think that premium uses would not deserve to view ads; and I hope that the "remove advertisements" link will work properly. But don't be too mad if you can't post twice in five minutes for some days or if the server has a complete brainfart for some days, it's really a lot behind it.
Maybe you didn't read my post properly. I call it ridiculous that people who pay for the site don't have visibly more service on the site than non paying members have. That is unfair towards them and that's why I called the paying-membership earlier only useful to take the paying members the money out of the pocket. I don't complain I don't have no ads, I only say that in midst of the thread page they are very annoying as they make you think that it was the last post. But if I paid to be member of a site I would call it the least service to have if not no ads, then at least considerable less ads. But to read that members who pay for a membership have the same amount of ads and that they have the same problems non paying members have is not really an encouragement for not yet paying users to consider buying a membership. I also fear that many of the paying members, who paid only a "year-long" membership won't extend their membership. So that will make the running costs even more expensive. What will happen then? Will we have 5 ads between every post on a thread? :scared: That is what I meant and what I thought of.

Tytta!.
01-01-2008, 03:36 PM
Sure, it's annoying for us all but my guess is that such things will always happen again becauses it's an enormous job to keep such a website running without almost any fix revenues. I don't believe all people realize how big it really is as you don't get any far with such offers from hosting companies you sometimes find in magazines where you get webspace with 10GB traffic/month for 19.99€ or so :lol: Such a site needs much more, especially more CPUs, CPU power and RAM because almost every page request sent to users is dynamic, and these can be many per minute if you only calculate every user/guest is updating a page once per minute. And the amount of request sent to a server of this site is quite a lot, also consider live score threads which are refreshed many many times. Not to mention server-based scripts, the search function, etc.

All that said, it is of course still annoying for us, and as I said already, I also think that premium uses would not deserve to view ads; and I hope that the "remove advertisements" link will work properly. But don't be too mad if you can't post twice in five minutes for some days or if the server has a complete brainfart for some days, it's really a lot behind it.

Ok, right. I know how expensive it must be to run this site. But it has so many people visiting, why not make, for example, guests sign up to be able to read the threads/forums? Lots of traffic would be saved for those who actually have a membership, paid or not. Anyway, the point is: all we premium members are asking is a little respect and attention for the money we got to HELP you paying for servers/CPUs/RAM/etc. You don't need to take off all ads fur us, but at least 90% of them. Otherwise I don't think people will want to get a premium membership. I mean, what's good about it? A bigger avatar, a picture in a signature. Who cares about this when you can barely keep up with the forum with these ads?

Maybe you didn't read my post properly. I call it ridiculous that people who pay for the site don't have visibly more service on the site than non paying members have. That is unfair towards them and that's why I called the paying-membership earlier only useful to take the paying members the money out of the pocket. I don't complain I don't have no ads, I only say that in midst of the thread page they are very annoying as they make you think that it was the last post. But if I paid to be member of a site I would call it the least service to have if not no ads, then at least considerable less ads. But to read that members who pay for a membership have the same amount of ads and that they have the same problems non paying members have is not really an encouragement for not yet paying users to consider buying a membership. I also fear that many of the paying members, who paid only a "year-long" membership won't extend their membership. So that will make the running costs even more expensive. What will happen then? Will we have 5 ads between every post on a thread? :scared: That is what I meant and what I thought of.

Agreed, Lena.

GlennMirnyi
01-01-2008, 04:06 PM
I tolerate the ads because Firefox's adblocker puts them away for me, but I wanna be able to change my username back!! :o

Tytta!.
01-01-2008, 04:12 PM
I do have it too but still not fair ;)

Baghdatis72
01-01-2008, 11:00 PM
I sense a clever scheme here by the people behind the addition of the new ads.

My theory is the following:

They wanted to make more money by adding more ads and getting more users but that was contradicting each other. To solve the problem they changed the vcash system so that you gain vcash by posting anywhere on the forum to lure more users and keep the current ones active while at the same time they added the ads.

The result was a minimal or even maybe non existent decrease in posters and posts while at the same time the revenue from the ads increased.

Think about it :p

adee-gee
01-01-2008, 11:07 PM
I tolerate the ads because Firefox's adblocker puts them away for me, but I wanna be able to change my username back!! :o
I know the feeling :o

I'm not a lawyer, but surely advertising the premium membership and saying you get several benefits, then withdrawing them after members have paid can't be strictly legal.

Baghdatis72
01-01-2008, 11:11 PM
Usually there is a small line in the terms which allows the vendor to change the service at any time without any warning and this could be the case here.

adee-gee
01-01-2008, 11:20 PM
Fair enough, it's still morally totally incorrect :shrug:

Baghdatis72
01-01-2008, 11:22 PM
Fair enough, it's still morally totally incorrect :shrug:

I know :(

Deboogle!.
01-01-2008, 11:55 PM
I know the feeling :o

I'm not a lawyer, but surely advertising the premium membership and saying you get several benefits, then withdrawing them after members have paid can't be strictly legal.

Usually there is a small line in the terms which allows the vendor to change the service at any time without any warning and this could be the case here.Yes, plus, if you go to the premium page, it doesn't actually advertise any of the stuff we're complaining about.....

as you said, that doesn't make it "right" - it just makes it legal. I would hope that the admins would care about pissing off so many regular posters. I think it's also a good idea not to confuse the first premium with this one - that one was more expensive and more things were promised. but still.

Tytta!.
01-01-2008, 11:57 PM
Lawyer Deb :worship:

Baghdatis72
01-02-2008, 12:00 AM
So this means that unless there is someone who cares about the customers of this website then we will see no change.

Tytta!.
01-02-2008, 12:02 AM
yes :yawn:

Baghdatis72
01-02-2008, 12:08 AM
:tape:

The themes get reduced to 2, more ads come in above and below and now there are ads in the threads between posts. Maybe in a few months there will be ads in our own posts like some other forums I have come across.

Tytta!.
01-02-2008, 12:11 AM
:sobbing:

but we won't stop complaining :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Deboogle!.
01-02-2008, 12:24 AM
So this means that unless there is someone who cares about the customers of this website then we will see no change.yeah, pretty much. But generally, it's not good business practice to alienate the people who are actually willing to pay... we'll see.

El Legenda
01-02-2008, 01:44 AM
Yes, plus, if you go to the premium page, it doesn't actually advertise any of the stuff we're complaining about.....
.

because they took it of the list. when people signed up everything we are complaining about was on the list and people payed based on that. if i didnt have better things to do and if my membership didnt expire last year but somehow i still have it, i would sue :lol:

GlennMirnyi
01-02-2008, 03:14 AM
Ok, right. I know how expensive it must be to run this site. But it has so many people visiting, why not make, for example, guests sign up to be able to read the threads/forums? Lots of traffic would be saved for those who actually have a membership, paid or not. Anyway, the point is: all we premium members are asking is a little respect and attention for the money we got to HELP you paying for servers/CPUs/RAM/etc. You don't need to take off all ads fur us, but at least 90% of them. Otherwise I don't think people will want to get a premium membership. I mean, what's good about it? A bigger avatar, a picture in a signature. Who cares about this when you can barely keep up with the forum with these ads?

Great post Rê. :)

Deboogle!.
01-02-2008, 03:24 AM
because they took it of the list. when people signed up everything we are complaining about was on the list and people payed based on that. if i didnt have better things to do and if my membership didnt expire last year but somehow i still have it, i would sue :lol:Oh, really? Were these things on the list before? I didn't know that. Does anyone remember what was there when they paid? I mean, in a sense it doesn't matter I think we all agree that it's crappy either way, even if those things were never explicitly promised, everyone knew they existed and paid because of it. I bet if we took a poll, no one paid for the bigger av or custom headline or more PM space. And either way, one would hope they care enough about those who have actually bothered to pay. I mean, they very clearly stated it would not be an ad-free experience. That's fine and I think pretty much everyone was OK with that, but no one had any idea that this is what would happen.

And I can only speak for myself (but I have a feeling i'm not alone in this is), but something that annoys me about it is the lack of communication. We weren't even told the name change option would be gone, we weren't told that we'd never get the player forums we voted for 6 months ago, we weren't really told about the changes in ads, or even changes in administration so we'd know who to contact directly with specific concerns. I'm hoping that now that the holidays are over, these concerns will at least be addressed, since there was little to no communication all along.

RickDaStick
01-02-2008, 03:37 AM
So looks like MTF is screwing people over again. What a suprise!! NOT

savesthedizzle
01-02-2008, 03:40 AM
Oh, really? Were these things on the list before? I didn't know that. Does anyone remember what was there when they paid? I mean, in a sense it doesn't matter I think we all agree that it's crappy either way, even if those things were never explicitly promised, everyone knew they existed and paid because of it. I bet if we took a poll, no one paid for the bigger av or custom headline or more PM space. And either way, one would hope they care enough about those who have actually bothered to pay. I mean, they very clearly stated it would not be an ad-free experience. That's fine and I think pretty much everyone was OK with that, but no one had any idea that this is what would happen.

And I can only speak for myself (but I have a feeling i'm not alone in this is), but something that annoys me about it is the lack of communication. We weren't even told the name change option would be gone, we weren't told that we'd never get the player forums we voted for 6 months ago, we weren't really told about the changes in ads, or even changes in administration so we'd know who to contact directly with specific concerns. I'm hoping that now that the holidays are over, these concerns will at least be addressed, since there was little to no communication all along.

Well Deb, I think a lot of the people who are mad are those who signed up for Lifetime Premium Membership the first time it was offered when it DID offer an ad-free experience :shrug:

But yes, lack of communication is never a good thing.

El Legenda
01-02-2008, 03:58 AM
Oh, really? Were these things on the list before? I didn't know that. Does anyone remember what was there when they paid? I mean, in a sense it doesn't matter I think we all agree that it's crappy either way, even if those things were never explicitly promised, everyone knew they existed and paid because of it. I bet if we took a poll, no one paid for the bigger av or custom headline or more PM space. And either way, one would hope they care enough about those who have actually bothered to pay. I mean, they very clearly stated it would not be an ad-free experience. That's fine and I think pretty much everyone was OK with that, but no one had any idea that this is what would happen.

And I can only speak for myself (but I have a feeling i'm not alone in this is), but something that annoys me about it is the lack of communication. We weren't even told the name change option would be gone, we weren't told that we'd never get the player forums we voted for 6 months ago, we weren't really told about the changes in ads, or even changes in administration so we'd know who to contact directly with specific concerns. I'm hoping that now that the holidays are over, these concerns will at least be addressed, since there was little to no communication all along.

to sum it, who ever took over MTF they did it to make money off it and not for love on the game, the reason this forum was started.

Deboogle!.
01-02-2008, 04:00 AM
Well Deb, I think a lot of the people who are mad are those who signed up for Lifetime Premium Membership the first time it was offered when it DID offer an ad-free experience :shrug:

But yes, lack of communication is never a good thing.As far as I was ever aware, the new premium (the old premium never had a lifetime membership, it was per month or per year, I remember because I did pay for the one year, which was 19.99. No lifetime option) membership, which went into effect well active verticalscope took over management of the board (remember, there was no premium available for quite some time), NEVER offered an ad-free experience. And the way I remember it is the same as Neely remembers it (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6373934&postcount=36), because it actually came up with the enactment of the new premium membership. I'm fairly confident that, in its current form, the premium option was never promised to be ad-free. http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=5402947&postcount=29

savesthedizzle
01-02-2008, 04:02 AM
As far as I was ever aware, the new premium (the old premium never had a lifetime membership, it was per month or per year, I remember because I did pay for the one year, which was 19.99. No lifetime option) membership, which went into effect when verticalscope took over management of the board, NEVER offered an ad-free experience. And the way I remember it is the same as Neely remembers it (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6373934&postcount=36), because it actually came up with the enactment of the new premium membership. I'm fairly confident that, in its current form, the premium option was never promised to be ad-free. http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=5402947&postcount=29


Hmmm maybe I'm mistaken then... I could have sworn it did.

Either way, the lack of communication about the removal of other features and the general downhill slope these boards are on is still a cause of concern.

Deboogle!.
01-02-2008, 04:09 AM
Hmmm maybe I'm mistaken then... I could have sworn it did.

Either way, the lack of communication about the removal of other features and the general downhill slope these boards are on is still a cause of concern.Well that discussion and Steve's post all happened right after the redesign where the premium memberships were brought back, so I don't know when the no-ad promise would've occurred. Definitely in the first incarnation, it did, but it was also more expensive (2.99 a month and 19.99 a year instead of what it is now, 9.99 a year and 24.99 for life). But no, I really don't think it matters either way. There's a long stretch from "not a no-ad experience," which considering people didn't really complain about it after that point in May when we were told it was not gonna happen, til now, when all these ads popped up, shows me that most people didn't really care about the few ads here and there because they were relatively unobtrusive, to where we are now with ads sprayed all over the place that are literally hindering people's browsing of the board, especially with no warning. it's still crappy.

I think making people register in order to browse the forum is a good idea - in fact, didn't it used to be like that (I remember, before this last redesign, having to register for wtaworld when i wanted to read a thread there - I'm always logged in here so I just assumed it was the same here)? Also, what about a return to priority access to save money? If the traffic is really extreme during some certain points, why not lower the amount of server space always allocated - thereby saving money - and then during the busy points, give those who paid the access first. That's what it was during the first premium membership and it worked pretty well most of the time.

I dunno, I just hope it's not ignored for too much longer.

savesthedizzle
01-02-2008, 04:11 AM
Well that discussion and Steve's post all happened right after the redesign where the premium memberships were brought back, so I don't know when the no-ad promise would've occurred. Definitely in the first incarnation, it did, but it was also more expensive (2.99 a month and 19.99 a year instead of what it is now, 9.99 a year and 24.99 for life). But no, I really don't think it matters either way. There's a long stretch from "not a no-ad experience," which considering people didn't really complain about it after that point in May when we were told it was not gonna happen, til now, when all these ads popped up, shows me that most people didn't really care about the few ads here and there because they were relatively unobtrusive, to where we are now with ads sprayed all over the place that are literally hindering people's browsing of the board, especially with no warning. it's still crappy.

I think making people register in order to browse the forum is a good idea - in fact, didn't it used to be like that (I remember, before this last redesign, having to register for wtaworld when i wanted to read a thread there - I'm always logged in here so I just assumed it was the same here)? Also, what about a return to priority access to save money? If the traffic is really extreme during some certain points, why not lower the amount of server space always allocated - thereby saving money - and then during the busy points, give those who paid the access first. That's what it was during the first premium membership and it worked pretty well most of the time.

I dunno, I just hope it's not ignored for too much longer.


Totally agree with the whole bolded part.

FilipeMB
01-02-2008, 10:02 AM
So this means that unless there is someone who cares about the customers of this website then we will see no change.


I don't really care if it was written or not that I would have or not a ad-free experience. I put this because I got tired of this ads, of people complaining about them and me telling them that they would have to install third party addons in their programs in order to have a good experience.
As Baghdatis72 said, we will get fucked up over and over again until there's someone who cares about us.
We even don't have access to a list of users because it would generate more traffic and blablabla. I can't count how many premium users we have in order to know how much money they received from us to pay server cost.
At least, to be honest with their users, they should post server costs and how much we are far from reaching this value in order to we know. Put this together with an ad (:lol:) saying that if they help, they will get a better experience (aka, no ads, faster connection, better connection). I believe now then people would help and admins would stop complaining that they put ads in OUR forum (cause it's we that make the forum, not verticalscope. we're the community, we're who makes this forum interesting. well, you guys, not me, i'm not the best poster in GM this forum has ever seen) to pay this costs.
I'm really waiting for some changes.

Tytta!.
01-02-2008, 11:34 AM
And I can only speak for myself (but I have a feeling i'm not alone in this is), but something that annoys me about it is the lack of communication. We weren't even told the name change option would be gone, we weren't told that we'd never get the player forums we voted for 6 months ago, we weren't really told about the changes in ads, or even changes in administration so we'd know who to contact directly with specific concerns. I'm hoping that now that the holidays are over, these concerns will at least be addressed, since there was little to no communication all along.

:yeah:

Baghdatis72
01-02-2008, 12:22 PM
Oh, really? Were these things on the list before? I didn't know that. Does anyone remember what was there when they paid? I mean, in a sense it doesn't matter I think we all agree that it's crappy either way, even if those things were never explicitly promised, everyone knew they existed and paid because of it. I bet if we took a poll, no one paid for the bigger av or custom headline or more PM space. And either way, one would hope they care enough about those who have actually bothered to pay. I mean, they very clearly stated it would not be an ad-free experience. That's fine and I think pretty much everyone was OK with that, but no one had any idea that this is what would happen.

And I can only speak for myself (but I have a feeling i'm not alone in this is), but something that annoys me about it is the lack of communication. We weren't even told the name change option would be gone, we weren't told that we'd never get the player forums we voted for 6 months ago, we weren't really told about the changes in ads, or even changes in administration so we'd know who to contact directly with specific concerns. I'm hoping that now that the holidays are over, these concerns will at least be addressed, since there was little to no communication all along.

The first step would be to try to communicate with Steve about our complaints so he can pass them to Verticalscope. To do that we have to organize our complaints and give a good and complete report about them with clear goals.

If we get a negative or no reply there we have to show them that we are not guinea pigs and this changes will reduce the number of posts and hence the value of the forum. To do that we have to organize together though but let's hope that it doesn't come to that.

I dunno, I just hope it's not ignored for too much longer.

Have you informed Steve about it then? :eek:

Tytta!.
01-02-2008, 12:29 PM
We're basically ignored. :D

Jelena
01-02-2008, 12:29 PM
Have you informed Steve about it then? :eek:
Once I pmed Steve about something, I didn't get an answer for about 10 days, and after that I only got an "nothing saying answer." So I don't know if Steve will really react on it. :unsure:

Saumon
01-02-2008, 12:59 PM
Isn't it funny that when I click on "Remove advertisements", it opens a window informing me about the available subscriptions? It does lead me to believe that if I get a premium account, it will remove the ads. :shrug:

savesthedizzle
01-02-2008, 01:05 PM
Isn't it funny that when I click on "Remove advertisements", it opens a window informing me about the available subscriptions? It does lead me to believe that if I get a premium account, it will remove the ads. :shrug:

Yes, and that's what they intend you to see. WTAW is also complaining about these ads (but they actually get more answers from admins). Apparently when it took you to the basketball forum, that was a mistake. Taking you to the subscription page is what's intended.

Maybe they are planning on getting rid of the ads for premium members now.

Tytta!.
01-02-2008, 01:14 PM
I don't think we're ever getting an answer :D

Baghdatis72
01-02-2008, 01:57 PM
Isn't it funny that when I click on "Remove advertisements", it opens a window informing me about the available subscriptions? It does lead me to believe that if I get a premium account, it will remove the ads. :shrug:

That's sneaky indeed :eek:

Nathaliia
01-02-2008, 02:15 PM
Or just to pay, and later they don't care if the ads keep still appearing.

Denaon
01-02-2008, 02:41 PM
Now....there should be some organization from you guys (premium) and free members too....what's the point to have a premium membership if it adds nothing to a regular one...it's got to be different. MTF has at this moment ...how many...let's say 75% of its posters as potential premium members that giving the circumstances won't even think about becoming one....
I agree now that a change must be done for the good of us all....and making the registration a must (to read all forums) is a good change towards that....or changing the servers which I assume is the least likely thing to happen.

Edit: added

Deboogle!.
01-02-2008, 06:22 PM
The first step would be to try to communicate with Steve about our complaints so he can pass them to Verticalscope. To do that we have to organize our complaints and give a good and complete report about them with clear goals.

If we get a negative or no reply there we have to show them that we are not guinea pigs and this changes will reduce the number of posts and hence the value of the forum. To do that we have to organize together though but let's hope that it doesn't come to that.



Have you informed Steve about it then? :eek:#1: there have been some changes in who actually administers this board. That what something I touched on when I mentioned the lack of communication. I am honestly not sure who would even be the proper person to inform about this. #2: Shouldn't this thread be enough? Shouldn't the admin of a big FOR PROFIT forum such as this check the site discussion subforums oh, once a day? I mean, I think it's a fair expectation that Felipe starting this thread should be enough notice to inform the admins that there is unrest here :shrug:

Baghdatis72
01-02-2008, 06:34 PM
:shrug:

Maybe they are still on vacation from Christmas and the New Year.

tangerine_dream
01-02-2008, 09:10 PM
So why is MTF implying that people can "Remove advertisements" by registering (as per the ads)? Many of us are already registered as premium and the advertisements have not been removed.

GlennMirnyi
01-02-2008, 10:57 PM
No surprise the mods/administrators ignore us.

I don't really care about the ads. I don't actually remember any promise to end them for premium users, but I want the option to change my username back!!!! :mad:

Lee
01-03-2008, 05:11 AM
As far as I was ever aware, the new premium (the old premium never had a lifetime membership, it was per month or per year, I remember because I did pay for the one year, which was 19.99. No lifetime option) membership, which went into effect well active verticalscope took over management of the board (remember, there was no premium available for quite some time), NEVER offered an ad-free experience. And the way I remember it is the same as Neely remembers it (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6373934&postcount=36), because it actually came up with the enactment of the new premium membership. I'm fairly confident that, in its current form, the premium option was never promised to be ad-free. http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=5402947&postcount=29

Deb is correct on this, I am quite sure. The current Premium membership never offered ad-free. It offered less advertisement.

The problem here is more and more advertisements are added and premium members are not excluded from the new ads.

#1: there have been some changes in who actually administers this board. That what something I touched on when I mentioned the lack of communication. I am honestly not sure who would even be the proper person to inform about this. #2: Shouldn't this thread be enough? Shouldn't the admin of a big FOR PROFIT forum such as this check the site discussion subforums oh, once a day? I mean, I think it's a fair expectation that Felipe starting this thread should be enough notice to inform the admins that there is unrest here :shrug:

My understanding is Steve (the person or the account) is no longer the webmaster of this forum. So PM him or the account would be useless.

Lee
01-03-2008, 05:16 AM
No surprise the mods/administrators ignore us.

:shrug: Neely, Deb and Jess had all post in this thread before this post of yours.

Jelena
01-03-2008, 09:47 AM
:shrug: Neely, Deb and Jess had all post in this thread before this post of yours.
But the webmasters obviously do ignore us.

adee-gee
01-03-2008, 10:35 AM
:shrug: Neely, Deb and Jess had all post in this thread before this post of yours.
Indeed, but unfortunately they don't have the power necessary. We need the big boss (whoever the hell it is nowadays :lol: )

Sunset of Age
01-03-2008, 11:33 AM
Comnpletely agree with the complaints...

So why is MTF implying that people can "Remove advertisements" by registering (as per the ads)? Many of us are already registered as premium and the advertisements have not been removed.

And here I think the line between 'on the border of being legally okay' and 'misleading' is crossed. I don't know what's the proper term in English, but we Dutchies call this 'wanprestatie'.

GlennMirnyi
01-03-2008, 02:46 PM
:shrug: Neely, Deb and Jess had all post in this thread before this post of yours.

You know what I'm talking about and this isn't the first instance.

Baghdatis72
01-03-2008, 02:58 PM
In case you didn't know Verticalscope Inc. is a corporation based in Canada but I couldn't find MTF on their website :eek:

Deboogle!.
01-03-2008, 06:21 PM
We need the big boss (whoever the hell it is nowadays :lol: )and herein lies the problem.......

El Legenda
01-03-2008, 06:45 PM
I shall be the BOSS

adam shall be my bitch..now go get my coffee.

Carlita
01-03-2008, 06:47 PM
No surprise the mods/administrators ignore us.

I don't really care about the ads. I don't actually remember any promise to end them for premium users, but I want the option to change my username back!!!! :mad:I have sent in a request to fix this. We need the webmaster to do this or to find someone who can do this.

adee-gee
01-03-2008, 09:41 PM
I shall be the BOSS

adam shall be my bitch..now go get my coffee.
:hatoff: I'm right on it......

Here you go Sir :cool:

http://www.wiki-site.com/images/f/fd/Coffee_heart_small.jpg

El Legenda
01-03-2008, 10:48 PM
:hatoff: I'm right on it......

Here you go Sir :cool:

http://www.wiki-site.com/images/f/fd/Coffee_heart_small.jpg

cream or milk, i dont drink black coffee :D

FilipeMB
01-03-2008, 11:34 PM
Still waiting for something before we organize ourselves;

jeahhh!
01-03-2008, 11:46 PM
I shall be the BOSS

adam shall be my bitch..now go get my coffee.

Lets me guess first thing you'll do as boss is give yourself a very large sum of credits.;)


But seriously this really is ridiculous.

Jelena
01-03-2008, 11:52 PM
Still waiting for something before we organize ourselves;
What are you waiting for Filipe?

El Legenda
01-04-2008, 01:19 AM
Lets me guess first thing you'll do as boss is give yourself a very large sum of credits.;)


But seriously this really is ridiculous.

yes. i get a $ 250,000 daily pay as the BOSS :armed:

you can also call me the Godfather.

justClaudia
01-04-2008, 01:38 AM
Isn't it funny that when I click on "Remove advertisements", it opens a window informing me about the available subscriptions? It does lead me to believe that if I get a premium account, it will remove the ads. :shrug:
and I clicked there believing the ads would go away. :lol:

ridiculous, really.

jeahhh!
01-04-2008, 02:03 AM
yes. i get a $ 250,000 daily pay as the BOSS :armed:

you can also call me the Godfather.
:lol:


but I like pornstar better :awww:

El Legenda
01-04-2008, 03:00 AM
:lol:


but I like pornstar better :awww:

Pornstar Godfather? :confused:

FilipeMB
01-04-2008, 10:38 AM
What are you waiting for Filipe?

I'm waiting to see if some of the admins will do something before we sent something. I'm also waiting to see if somebody is willing to help me through this, as it's not just me complaining about this ads.

Carlita
01-04-2008, 10:52 AM
I'm waiting to see if some of the admins will do something before we sent something. I'm also waiting to see if somebody is willing to help me through this, as it's not just me complaining about this ads. I think no one likes the ads :p and it's all been reported, it just takes time.

Jelena
01-04-2008, 12:03 PM
I think no one likes the ads :p and it's all been reported, it just takes time.
until when? Until the St. Never?

Carlita
01-04-2008, 04:23 PM
until when? Until the St. Never?at least it's been brought to their attention.... I don't know until when because I don't work at VScope.

Jelena
01-04-2008, 05:18 PM
at least it's been brought to their attention.... I don't know until when because I don't work at VScope.
Let's face the fact as it is: On the VScope website neither is mentioned mtf nor wtaw. Mtf is said to have a decreasing number of visits per day and of clicks per visit. That means the site isn't the moneymaker VScope thought it would be. But though it would be good if someone of VScope reacted to this thread here. :mad:

FilipeMB
01-04-2008, 06:01 PM
I think no one likes the ads :p and it's all been reported, it just takes time.

Really? I really thought somebody liked the ads :p anyway...

FilipeMB
01-04-2008, 06:03 PM
Let's face the fact as it is: On the VScope website neither is mentioned mtf nor wtaw. Mtf is said to have a decreasing number of visits per day and of clicks per visit. That means the site isn't the moneymaker VScope thought it would be. But though it would be good if someone of VScope reacted to this thread here. :mad:

Someday we do just like ATP; the players (posters) get together and form (again) a forum runned by the posters for the posters, not a profit-looking forum. :rolleyes:

FilipeMB
01-04-2008, 07:54 PM
Just a stat; the traffic in MTF server would decrease in 75% if forum view was only enabled for registred users.

Carlita
01-04-2008, 08:06 PM
Let's face the fact as it is: On the VScope website neither is mentioned mtf nor wtaw. Mtf is said to have a decreasing number of visits per day and of clicks per visit. That means the site isn't the moneymaker VScope thought it would be. But though it would be good if someone of VScope reacted to this thread here. :mad:like I said: emails have been sent, links have been posted for the right people to see....unfortunately that's all we can do at the moment....we have to wait....

Lee
01-05-2008, 01:51 AM
Let's face the fact as it is: On the VScope website neither is mentioned mtf nor wtaw. Mtf is said to have a decreasing number of visits per day and of clicks per visit. That means the site isn't the moneymaker VScope thought it would be. But though it would be good if someone of VScope reacted to this thread here. :mad:

That's not correct ;) MTF and WTAW are under TennisUniverse.com

http://www.verticalscope.com/sports/tennis.html

Baghdatis72
01-05-2008, 02:01 AM
Guys and girls give the admins a break. They are just links between us and the corporation.

El Legenda
01-05-2008, 02:10 AM
i think its to start a new forum, for the fans by the fans.

Baghdatis72
01-05-2008, 02:13 AM
i think its to start a new forum, for the fans by the fans.

FFBF (For fans by fans) ;)

El Legenda
01-05-2008, 03:23 AM
i think we can easily make a similar forum with vbetting and everything else, move all the games like TT, shouldnt be hard, copy and paste :D

FilipeMB
01-05-2008, 02:04 PM
i think we can easily make a similar forum with vbetting and everything else, move all the games like TT, shouldnt be hard, copy and paste :D

:lol: :lol: how you cannot be ironic while saying this :lol:

l_mac
01-06-2008, 01:22 PM
I don't see any ads :shrug: Just a post that says Advertisment, but no ad actually there.

Is that what everyone else has?

Baghdatis72
01-06-2008, 02:13 PM
I don't see any ads :shrug: Just a post that says Advertisment, but no ad actually there.

Is that what everyone else has?

That's what I have :D

jayjay
01-06-2008, 03:06 PM
No surprise the mods/administrators ignore us.

I don't really care about the ads. I don't actually remember any promise to end them for premium users, but I want the option to change my username back!!!! :mad:

How disgusting of you to expect answers/actions from the people in charge of the site, Hughes. Don't you know they have more important things to do, like link you to a basketball forum? :p

I'm waiting to see if some of the admins will do something before we sent something. I'm also waiting to see if somebody is willing to help me through this, as it's not just me complaining about this ads.

VScope got your money, now they have no reason to service you. That's the way some muppets work.

Someday we do just like ATP; the players (posters) get together and form (again) a forum runned by the posters for the posters, not a profit-looking forum. :rolleyes:

Easy to do and easily done.

FilipeMB
01-06-2008, 06:11 PM
I don't see any ads :shrug: Just a post that says Advertisment, but no ad actually there.

Is that what everyone else has?

because probably you have some program in your PC that blocks the ads.
Otherwise you would suffer from this :wavey:

truebluefan
01-06-2008, 06:53 PM
We are experimenting with plug ins through out the network. Premium members shouldn't see anything there.

Carlita
01-06-2008, 06:58 PM
but we do :awww: can it be fixed you think?

FilipeMB
01-06-2008, 07:12 PM
We are experimenting with plug ins through out the network. Premium members shouldn't see anything there.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

l_mac
01-06-2008, 08:22 PM
because probably you have some program in your PC that blocks the ads.
Otherwise you would suffer from this :wavey:

No, they're there when I switch to the menstennisforums.com2007. I usually use the old style blue MTF.

FilipeMB
01-06-2008, 08:24 PM
No, they're there when I switch to the menstennisforums.com2007. I usually use the old style blue MTF.

Cool. I don't like old style blue MTF. ;)

l_mac
01-06-2008, 08:25 PM
I much prefer it, especially without the ads ;)

jayjay
01-06-2008, 09:41 PM
Deb is correct on this, I am quite sure. The current Premium membership never offered ad-free. It offered less advertisement.

The problem here is more and more advertisements are added and premium members are not excluded from the new ads.

FAS, this is what was on offer in May 2007.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/bostero_2006/mtf.jpg

And this is what is on offer now.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7966/11kd0.png

For those who signed up for premium/lifetime under the May conditions, they are perfectly entitled to have the 50% less ads that they signed up for. Even if that means it is 50% less of 100 as that is the way it seems to be going around here. :lol:

For those signing up now, clearly there can be no complaint. It wasn't worth signing up for back then in my view, because MTF were always liable to move the goalposts. And it certainly wouldn't be worth it now for obvious reasons.

Also agree with Tangy about the "remove ads" link which is clearly misleading, as there are no removal of ads for premium memberships according to the current conditions. Sure, once you read (as you should), what is on offer then people should be able to figure that out for themselves. However, it is misleading nonetheless.

Deboogle!.
01-07-2008, 01:03 AM
Thanks for those, jayjay, much appreciated. Problem for Verticalscope is that they've set precedent for not following their advertised benefits before. Premium members have always had "Custom Usertitles," even though the first screencap doesn't mention it. We have also always had the option to change usernames every 30 days, even though neither screencap mentions it. By always providing certain benefits even without advertisement and by suddenly removing them, they run the risk of being susceptible to estoppel.

Also, I'm sure it's legal to change the terms of an agreement during a paid partnership, however, I believe that notice is required. Did anyone who paid get notified that the terms of the premium membership were being changed?

Lots of people changed their usernames in reliance of the fact that they would be able to change it 30 days later because that's what had always been allowed. With no notice of the change and after all these months of it being allowed, even if not advertised, it sounds like a perfect situation of some sort of estoppel to me. :)

Baghdatis72
01-07-2008, 01:06 AM
Thanks for those, jayjay, much appreciated. Problem for Verticalscope is that they've set precedent for not following their advertised benefits before. Premium members have always had "Custom Usertitles," even though the first screencap doesn't mention it. We have also always had the option to change usernames every 30 days, even though neither screencap mentions it. By always providing certain benefits even without advertisement and by suddenly removing them, they run the risk of being susceptible to estoppel.

Also, I'm sure it's legal to change the terms of an agreement during a paid partnership, however, I believe that notice is required. Did anyone who paid get notified that the terms of the premium membership were being changed?

Lots of people changed their usernames in reliance of the fact that they would be able to change it 30 days later because that's what had always been allowed. With no notice of the change and after all these months of it being allowed, even if not advertised, it sounds like a perfect situation of estoppel to me. :)

I got no warning about the username change or anything else for that matter.

Deboogle!.
01-07-2008, 01:22 AM
Exactly.

Lee
01-07-2008, 02:37 AM
Thanks jayjay.

It's still advertised that premium members can change user titles but obviously it's not right now.

Deboogle!.
01-07-2008, 04:48 AM
I think by "Usertitle" they mean the thing under our names ...... b/c that's worth paying for..... :o

Baghdatis72
01-07-2008, 05:36 AM
Let's face it: Premium membership has become a bit of a joke and it's only getting worse.

Carlita
01-07-2008, 11:55 AM
The namechange thing has been part of the premium membership, eventhough you don't see that on the list. They are looking into that. When we got the new lay out it also disappeared but was restored later on, so I guess it will happen one of these days ;)

in the meantime, feel free to ask a namechange in the Name Change thread. The supermods will change it until the option is back. (And there will be a list with a date so we can check who already got one and how long s/he has to wait until the next one ;))

Neely
01-07-2008, 01:13 PM
That is a good idea of Carlita! :yeah:

And I'm sorry to say that this is currently the only thing we can do with the tools we have available. The rest of almost all other of your concerns above is up to the technical staff of Verticalscope or whoever is hosting the site, and we don't have more information about this, too.

Tytta!.
01-07-2008, 01:28 PM
Thanks for your help girls :hug:

Carlita
01-08-2008, 10:52 AM
the Premium forum has a thread about the namechanges. Please go in there for details.

Baghdatis72
01-08-2008, 03:35 PM
Thank you girl admins :hug:

16681
01-17-2008, 03:39 AM
That is a good idea of Carlita! :yeah:

And I'm sorry to say that this is currently the only thing we can do with the tools we have available. The rest of almost all other of your concerns above is up to the technical staff of Verticalscope or whoever is hosting the site, and we don't have more information about this, too.
I don't feel disadvantaged at all :) I love the new banking system :D It's great for betting--a dream come true :angel: Especially when you are as bad at making bets as I am :p

Filipo
01-29-2008, 09:45 AM
Which are the payment methods available for Premium Members ? I see only PayPal and i cannot use it, any others ??

16681
01-29-2008, 07:54 PM
Which are the payment methods available for Premium Members ? I see only PayPal and i cannot use it, any others ??
PayPal is the only one they have used since I have been on the Forum.