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Will Ferrero qualify for the Tennis Masters Cup 2004?

Yashirobai
06-08-2004, 12:36 PM
My head says no, my heart says yes. I vote yes.

Xavidbz
06-08-2004, 12:40 PM
I hope he will do well at the USO again

trixy
06-08-2004, 12:54 PM
My head says no, my heart says yes. I vote yes.

my thoughts exactly

oxy
06-08-2004, 02:13 PM
my thoughts exactly

same here...:sad:

Horatio Caine
06-08-2004, 02:20 PM
He CAN definitely qualify but whether he will is another story. He is 102 points off the cut-off at the moment and you'd expect the cut-off bar to rise a lot after Wimbledon with much expected of Hewitt, Henman, Roddick and Nalbandian. He will have his work cut out if he wants to qualify but you definitely can't count him out at all. :)

FSUNoles46
06-08-2004, 02:21 PM
i voted no but it wont be real suprising if he does make it.

Horatio Caine
06-08-2004, 02:23 PM
The only problem for him is that there will be increased competition from other contenders behind him that should be pushing for the top 8 aka Agassi and Schuettler. He will have to deal with them after Wimbledon too, not to mention a couple of players that will fancy their chances of a mid-season push.

faboozadoo15
06-08-2004, 02:24 PM
i voted no just because the best part of his season is behind him and because the people that make up the rest of the current top 8 have their best events yet to go.

but i wouldn't be surprised (pleasantly) if he does qualify! he could make some magic happen ie snag toronto or something.

Yashirobai
06-08-2004, 02:33 PM
Let's see what he does at Wimbledon as well (if he plays :rolleyes:)...

CmonAussie
06-08-2004, 02:34 PM
* Consider the 04 ATP Champions Race (since Entry System won't get you in TMC)!

1st Federer, R. 501 (Winner of AO & his huge points already guarantee Fed)
2nd Coria, G. 448 (Close behind Fed in points & still likely to win more titles)
3rd Moya, C. 384 (Nice win at Rome TMS~ his form should hold to get him in)
4th Gaudio, G. 285 (Even if he's not Top-8 he'll still get 8th with WC for FO victory)
5th Safin, M. 281 (If he performs at Wimbledon & USO such as~QF then he can)
6th Roddick, A. 274 (Probably going to win another TMS in US hardcourt & USO?)
7th Henman, T. 268
8th Nalbandian, D. 252
9th Hewitt, L. 246
10th Hrbaty, D. 182

*@@* Therefore those Top-6 guys now will almost certainly quailify for TMC Houston barring an injury in Oct/Nov. So there are only 2-more spots up for grabs & I highly doubt Ferrero will get there (but he may finish Top-10). Probably Henman/Nalbandian/Hewitt/Agassi are most likely going to battle it out for the remaining berths. But I'm sure many will disagree with me.

Anyway Ferrero will bounce back strong in 2005! As he said "maybe this is my bad year"...>_<

Horatio Caine
06-08-2004, 02:37 PM
I'm hoping Henman will actually make it this year!! Nothing is guaranteed with him especially as he fell out of the top 8 for the first time in the last week of 2002 Race to Shanghai. Moya i remember was 7 match points down to Seb Grosjean in Paris and the little Frenchie still couldn't put him away! But still may have done Tim good not playing MC because of his shoulder op. But still, I would like to see him qualify this year because with the current field, he could definitely beat most of them. :)

Yashirobai
06-08-2004, 02:39 PM
Yeah, OK, these are the almost definitive spots:

Federer, Coria, Moyá, Gaudio and Roddick.

I wouldn't say Safin is qualyfied yet. He can be very irregular. So there are 3 spots left for those players:

Safin, Henman, Nalbandián, Hewitt and Ferrero ("FIRST DIVISION")

and Hrbaty, Agassi, Kuerten, Pavel, Chela, Grosjean ("SECOND / POSSIBLE BIG SURPRISES DIVISION").

Since Safin, Henman, Hewitt and Nalbandián are all more than 100 points over JCF, and the clay season has gone, it's real difficult for him to qualify. But if his ijnuries stop he can do a great performance in the US summer and in Madrid/Paris as well. I don't see him doing anything big at Wimbledon -hope he proves me wrong.

Yashirobai
06-08-2004, 02:41 PM
I'm hoping Henman will actually make it this year!! Nothing is guaranteed with him especially as he fell out of the top 8 for the first time in the last week of 2002 Race to Shanghai. Moya i remember was 7 match points down to Seb Grosjean in Paris and the little Frenchie still couldn't put him away! But still may have done Tim good not playing MC because of his shoulder op. But still, I would like to see him qualify this year because with the current field, he could definitely beat most of them. :)


actually, six match points (R16). Then he beat Agassi in QF, so he reached SF, which was what he needed to qualify.

Horatio Caine
06-08-2004, 02:43 PM
Yeah, OK, these are the almost definitive spots:

Federer, Coria, Moyá, Gaudio and Roddick.

I wouldn't say Safin is qualyfied yet. He can be very irregular. So there are 3 spots left for those players:

Safin, Henman, Nalbandián, Hewitt and Ferrero ("FIRST DIVISION")

and Hrbaty, Agassi, Kuerten, Pavel, Chela, Grosjean ("SECOND / POSSIBLE BIG SURPRISES DIVISION").

Since Safin, Henman, Hewitt and Nalbandián are all more than 100 points over JCF, and the clay season has gone, it's real difficult for him to qualify. But if his ijnuries stop he can do a great performance in the US summer and in Madrid/Paris as well. I don't see him doing anything big at Wimbledon -hope he proves me wrong.

Yeah i agree with you, Safin is by no means qualified. He hasn't done nearly as well as he did at the Aus Open and he still has half a season to go. At the rate he is going i'd say he will be pipped in the final few weeks but there again he is quite capable of winning a Masters title or the US Open which would effectively seal his ticket to Houston.

Horatio Caine
06-08-2004, 02:44 PM
actually, six match points (R16). Then he beat Agassi in QF, so he reached SF, which was what he needed to qualify.

Sorry - 6 MPs. I stand corrected! :) Cheers for that. Still, it is too many MPs to blow especially when you are playing with the crowd on your side. From what i read, Seb lost the MPs rather than Moya saving them.

Yashirobai
06-08-2004, 10:20 PM
And here is almost a fact: If Ferrero is able to repeat what he did last year from now on, he'll be in Houston again.

Lynne
06-09-2004, 05:36 AM
If his injury gets better and he can play consistently, I think he can still qualify....

Iza
06-09-2004, 05:43 AM
i don't think he will qualify :sad: hope for a better 2005 season

CmonAussie
06-09-2004, 06:10 AM
* I don't think Ferrero will be so sad if he doesn't qualify for TMC in Houston this year; lets face it TMC's prestige is diminshed as long as it's played in Houston. Next year TMC Shanghai will be a much better event & Ferrero will probably return as a Top-3 player in 2005; so he'll be in the field of the venue with a better atmosphere (minus the patriotic Mattress Mac)..

If Roddick doesn't qualify for TMC this year then HOUSTON will be played to empty stands unless they offer the tickets free to school children (maybe they'll know Federer?~ he's Spanish claycourter isn't he?!).

Lalitha
06-09-2004, 08:28 AM
The only problem for him is that there will be increased competition from other contenders behind him that should be pushing for the top 8 aka Agassi and Schuettler. He will have to deal with them after Wimbledon too, not to mention a couple of players that will fancy their chances of a mid-season push.

That's a very good point. Nowadays, you just can't predict about any player. How many people expected Gaudio to be a champ at RG, least of all in Finals.

As far as Juan Carlos's TMC chances, I guess he should any of the two remaining Grand Slams, plus a couple of masters. As Jez has pointed out, everybody will be on his heels.

CooCooCachoo
06-09-2004, 08:34 AM
It's not very likely that he'll make it, and it's good for the TMS Cup that there are new names :)

Yashirobai
06-09-2004, 10:03 AM
It's not very likely that he'll make it, and it's good for the TMS Cup that there are new names :)


What is good for the TMC is that there are the best 8 players in the world -not new names. And we all know that Ferrero with no injuries is, no doubt at all, one of the best 8 players in the world.

lalaland
06-09-2004, 05:34 PM
I picked no but I'll hope for the best.
Who knows when he will be healthy again. And when that happens, it will still take him some time to get back to his playing form, and to get his confident back to play to his high level again. There is not enough time for him to get the points to make it to Houston.

Leo
06-09-2004, 09:24 PM
The Top 8 is very strong right now so I think not.

MissPovaFan
06-10-2004, 12:35 AM
I do hope so! Hopefully he will have a good hard court season and make up for his lack of matches and wins on clay where his chicken pox have clearly played a damaging part :sad: It just wouldnt be the same without him!

faboozadoo15
06-12-2004, 02:44 AM
i voted no just because the best part of his season is behind him and because the people that make up the rest of the current top 8 have their best events yet to go.

but i wouldn't be surprised (pleasantly) if he does qualify! he could make some magic happen ie snag toronto or something.
i_love_paradorn-- get over yourself. nothing i said in here or before was offensive to any player. i cannot help that you are a paranoid moron who hasn't developed the ability to read.

Lalitha
06-12-2004, 06:30 AM
And here is almost a fact: If Ferrero is able to repeat what he did last year from now on, he'll be in Houston again.

NO, I think he should play better. He only has one title(TMS Madrid) and US open and Bangkok finals to defend. Otherwise, I don't think he performed better last year during this time.

Yashirobai
06-12-2004, 10:38 AM
NO, I think he should play better. He only has one title(TMS Madrid) and US open and Bangkok finals to defend. Otherwise, I don't think he performed better last year during this time.


Since Roland Garros 2003 to PARIS TMS 2003, Ferrero defends (Champions Race) all those points:

30 + 7 + 15 + 140 + 100 + 15 +15 + 24 = 346 points.

346 points plus 150 (which is what he has got this year) means 496 points, which is definetly is enough to reach the TMC. It's difficult to be out from TMC with 496 points.

CmonAussie
06-12-2004, 01:09 PM
Since Roland Garros 2003 to PARIS TMS 2003, Ferrero defends (Champions Race) all those points:

30 + 7 + 15 + 140 + 100 + 15 +15 + 24 = 346 points.

346 points plus 150 (which is what he has got this year) means 496 points, which is definetly is enough to reach the TMC. It's difficult to be out from TMC with 496 points.
:wavey:
Yashirobai mate I can see you're desperate for Ferrero to qualify for TMS this year :cool: !
* Don't worry I felt the same way about Hewitt last year :sad: .

JC can still make it but it's becoming a longshot~ he'll need to do something cool like winning Olympic Gold = 80pts{he's stated this is a goal of his}; then make atleast SF at USO{possible} & win maybe Madrid TMC{he'll have the home crowd support again}...
BUT i think he's already accepted that in 2004 things are not going according to plan("maybe this is my bad year"). In that case I think he'll be focussing on winning the Olympic Gold in Athens & also winning Davis Cup{he & Moya were unlucky last year}...

Trust me Houston TMC isn't such a big deal~~ he'll have more fun if he achieves those other goals this year & then next year Shanghai TMC will be more fun for all the players :angel: ;) .

CmonAussie
06-12-2004, 01:11 PM
Oops I'm getting my TMC's & TMS's confused>_<!