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It was inevitable... the injury update thread

flip_fan
12-18-2007, 10:46 AM
As much as I was hoping to see Mark in full flight in January, deep down I knew it wasn't going to be the fairy-tale return. I guess my first stage of concern was with 'Age of Love'.. not so much the fact he was doing a tv show, but seeing Mark's lack of physical conditioning on the show didn't sit well with me. This was around May (i think) so after 5 months into his rehab he obviously wasn't working too hard. We were then periodically feed the storis of the tough training he was doing in Las Vegas, but I think that all stopped by August. Shortly after the finale of Age of Love aired Mark went on a surfing trip.

You can clearly see he had been doing some work with Gil Reyes, because Mark looked nice and lean...

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Mark returns from the trip with his California buddies and shortly after announced he was leaving Vegas to move back to San Diego.. end of serious training...Mark then struggled his way through the seniors event in October, after 3 tight matches his body stiffened to the point of losing against John MacEnroe in the 4th match.

The BIG major danger sign for me was his physical condition at the Chris Everet event last month. It was very disturbing to see a 40 yr old musician look more like a pro athlete then Mark. I knew right then that things were bad.

The news of knee injury still hurts.. but unfortunately I am not shocked. Mark was not in the right physical shape to be competing for the Open. The penny didn't drop for Mark in 2007, but hopefully now as he faces his 5th knee surgery he starts to realise where things went wrong. In a perfect world Mark would have surgery, it will be a success and by the end of January Mark resumes full training. It doesn't have to end like this for Mark, but it will require a shit load of hard work to re-write a better ending.

I would love to see Mark try and play Wimbledon one more time. He will need to change his body type... looking back he was very lean in his early 20's..

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John Newcombe has also said he needs to build up his leg muscles around the knee.. like they were way back in 2003..

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Most of all Mark needs to think about his future... all these knee operations may not be affecting him too much now, but in 10 years time when he's a young dad it might come back to haunt him.

flip_fan
12-18-2007, 11:00 AM
Oh dear Mark is expected to announce his retirement tomorrow... if this is the case, i think it's probably the right choice... or only choice

Xristos
12-18-2007, 04:58 PM
I hope he doesnt announce his retirement...

flip_fan
12-18-2007, 08:29 PM
After hearing the diagnosis.. i am unfortunately hoping he will. The cartilage damage is even worse then in January and he'll most likely not return till the 2nd half of the season. At 32 yr's of age I don't see much hope of making a strong return. There are many other options for Mark. He can play on the seniors tour, World team tennis events, charity tennis events... just not at ATP level. This is not the ending I had hoped for, but life doesn't always go according to a plan.

I want Mark to live the rest of his adult life to the fullest... I've heard horrible stories about athletes who are almost in wheelchairs in their 40's because of arthritis and chronic knee pain from past surgeries. In the end risking his health for a slim shot at wining a trophy is not worth it.

OZTENNIS
12-20-2007, 04:48 AM
:wavey:

Xristos
12-20-2007, 07:01 AM
After hearing the diagnosis.. i am unfortunately hoping he will. The cartilage damage is even worse then in January and he'll most likely not return till the 2nd half of the season. At 32 yr's of age I don't see much hope of making a strong return. There are many other options for Mark. He can play on the seniors tour, World team tennis events, charity tennis events... just not at ATP level. This is not the ending I had hoped for, but life doesn't always go according to a plan.

I want Mark to live the rest of his adult life to the fullest... I've heard horrible stories about athletes who are almost in wheelchairs in their 40's because of arthritis and chronic knee pain from past surgeries. In the end risking his health for a slim shot at wining a trophy is not worth it.

So are we talking a 6 month layoff?

flip_fan
12-21-2007, 02:44 AM
So are we talking a 6 month layoff?

More like an indefinite lay-off... but yes. it would take at least till June before Mark would recover fully. He's done 3 bad tears to his knee.. 1 cartilage tear and 2 on the lining that takes the pressure of impact. I don't think there's a comeback in sight. Mark has all but officially retired - he's tired of the pain and trying to sort out what new direction with his life he wants to take.

the_natural
01-20-2008, 11:24 PM
Im trying to be very polite to all those who are still fans of his but F@#$ it man i cant suppourt someone like that anymore, yes I would have if he came back and made a decent shot and even lost maybe in the 2nd round, as long as he gave it a fair go, but to look at him after all the over-hyped bs, after all that crap about being destined to one day win wimbledon after all the garbage of working harder than he ever had in his life (yeh that i can believe since he never worked hard before anyway), to come up with this garbage about being tired of the pain and blah blah. Life is tough you spoiled brat, you had everything, every chance, you thought you were working hard, newsflash there are 100s of other players who worked even harder still couldnt get half the success you had.

Flip fan you said he looked good in those surfing pics, to me he just looked like he ran alot, I saw pics of Marat from Kooyong and his muscular definition makes mark look like a friggin school boy. He never looked anywhere near as strong or lean or muscular as he should have been (he had a year off, even if you cant stand you can at least swim or do boxing training and then when you can move against you put the hard yards in to make rock solid tree trunk legs), and the proof lay in his definition and vascularity, his muscles never looked like they had been worked out constantly. And his legs were big as they had always been but they never looked like massive towers of power.


Mark spoke of the hard work he went through, but that hard work was standard compared to the hard work of all tennis players, when agassi worked hard after age 30 it SHOWED, Mark isnt used to hard work so he probably thought that cos it was hard that he was working more than anyone else and now hes moaning again because of his injuries which shouldnt have occured at all if he were 110% fit and strong, nor would he have complained about the toughness of the Friggin seniors tour matches.

Im sorry if ive offended some of you but I just put so much faith and energy and belief into this guy only to be let down again, so im venting my frustration.

flip_fan
01-21-2008, 12:11 AM
lol, you're not offending anyone... i would hope no fan of Mark is that naive and stupid to not see he doesn't work as hard as others... but then again he's not alone.. Nalbandian, Baghdatis, Fish, and many other players aren't exactly cutting fine figures of "elite" athletes... but not many of them have had 5 knee operations either.

Mark has never been the hardest worker and i seriously doubt he'll be able to get his body into the condition needed to play again... but hey no one's perfect. At the end of the day Mark has admitted throughout his carer he didn't work hard enough and he'll have to live with the consequence.. but then again it comes down to personal self-worth and perspective. Who knows if Mark will live to regret not spending more hours flogging his body in a gym and tennis court instead of going out with friends and having fun. Something tells me when he's old and grey he might have a little regret, but not much. He's done better then 80% of most tennis players, even though half his career was spent recovering from injuries... he's said it quite a few times before - he's lived a life some people can only dream of so not having a couple more trophies in the cabinet because he had "too much fun" in his 20's isn't such a bad thing in my opinion.

There's been many, MANY times when i've felt bitter disappointed and anger at Mark for not fulfilling his talent and working hard enough, but in the end Mark is Mark. Yes he may be a lazy shit at times and talks rubbish... but i still appreciate the good times and way he played his tennis... he's still handsome and i admire the way he's delt with horrible press and critics... he's never stooped to the level of belittling or talking negatively about another player like Cash, Rafter, Newk, Woodbrige ect - no matter what they've said about him. Those who don't really pay attention to Mark probably wouldn't understand why there are people who still support him no matter what.

But essentially i believe he's a good guy at heart ... just tragically flawed and prone to making very human mistakes... often. lol