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Did Gaudio deserve the title?

Yashirobai
06-06-2004, 09:54 PM
I believe it's obvious that he deserved it since it's impossible to win a Grand Slam, seven five-set matches, without deserving it, but since I've seen many people don't agree with me and those who believe that, here is the question to make it more clear.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 09:56 PM
If you win seven matches, then of course you deserve the title :rolleyes:

Better question, will he be a One Hit Wonder, al a Johannsen and Costa?

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 09:57 PM
I still think 3-set matches would have helped Coria's cause.

Yashirobai
06-06-2004, 10:01 PM
If you win seven matches, then of course you deserve the title :rolleyes:

Better question, will he be a One Hit Wonder, al a Johannsen and Costa?


Johansson was, Costa wasn't. Costa has won some Masters Series and reached the final of all the clay-MS. He's also been a RG semifinalist apart from his victory and won many more tournaments than Gaudio or Johansson have. Costa reaches #6 in the ranking as well. I' say he is a level up.

Shy
06-06-2004, 10:02 PM
Of course,he did deserve it.

Yashirobai
06-06-2004, 10:02 PM
I still think 3-set matches would have helped Coria's cause.


Definetly, but it's a Grand Slam and 5-set is part of all Grand Slams

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 10:06 PM
Ah, but you do not realise TF's hidden 3-set agenda, Yashirobai... bearing in mind Gaudio had played five hours more than Coria coming into the final and survived back to back five-setters in the first two rounds, compared to the one solitary set Coria lost en route to the final, that argument hardly holds water. If they were nervous cramps, then it was the pressure of the moment rather than the physical exertion that got to Coria. Grand Slams are a physical test, clay even more so than the other surfaces, and while I hate to sound like the dreaded B.G., you've gotta win three sets, every other day, seven times. Gaudio did it, he deserves the victory.

little duck
06-06-2004, 10:08 PM
Very tough to say now, he should proove that he deserves it in the future. Otherwise everyone will say - he was more lucky then skillfull.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 10:13 PM
Ah, but you do not realise TF's hidden 3-set agenda.
If it's hidden, how do you know about it :confused:

Shy
06-06-2004, 10:13 PM
Sure,if it was a three sets ,Coria would have win it. However,it is a five sets, and other players had win slam playing five sets.So,I don't see why it would be a problem for Coria.He did not have enough in him to win today while Gaudio did.Therefore, Gaudio deserved it.

Skyward
06-06-2004, 10:17 PM
Gaudio deserved this title. First of all, he was able to reach the final. Second, he came back from two sets down and won the whole thing. It's not his fault that other competitors couldn't maintain their fitness and nerves.

Yashirobai
06-06-2004, 10:17 PM
Coria should have probably taken vitaminics or something like that, but I totally understand him not to do it.

fco253
06-06-2004, 10:24 PM
On a side note, Yashiro, I still have very present how you were all over the place in the first two sets of Coria-Henman, bashing Guille all angles you could, and then PUFF...you just disappeared
You probably were hating because your guys were replaced as RG dominators...
i'm sorry cause I don't like to rub things on people, but it really was too annoying to let it pass silently...

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 10:24 PM
If it's hidden, how do you know about it :confused:

Hidden to Yashirobai, until I revealed it to him. ;)

Yashirobai
06-06-2004, 10:41 PM
On a side note, Yashiro, I still have very present how you were all over the place in the first two sets of Coria-Henman, bashing Guille all angles you could, and then PUFF...you just disappeared
You probably were hating because your guys were replaced as RG dominators...
i'm sorry cause I don't like to rub things on people, but it really was too annoying to let it pass silently...


Oh, no, it's not what you think, you know, I wen to play a tennis match, myself (which I won 6-2, 6-2 :p ), it's not that I left because I didn't want to see the match. And definetly it was quite disappointing to come back home and see the score, lol...

Besides, I was not as much criticising Guillermo, I was more kind of saying good things about Tim, who definetly deserved them during those two first sets. I don't have specially hate with Coria. He is not one of my fav's, but I don't "don't like" hime either. He is just OK, a normal player. That's all.

Also, it's not been a great RG to me, obviously, first time since 1990 no Spaniards where in SF, but, apart from that, I'm happy it was Argentina and not another country who replaced us -just for this year, next year we will be back dominating ;)

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 10:43 PM
IF he didn't deserve it, he wouldn't have won the third set. To come back after he played like complete ass for the first two sets was very remarkable. Yes, he was helped by Coria not being able to move in the fourth set, but he had to keep it together more than Coria and battle his own nerves, and he did that. So good for him.

Yashirobai
06-06-2004, 10:44 PM
Back to the poll, the result looks pretty clear, right now it's 24-3...

tommy_girl
06-06-2004, 10:48 PM
he deserved to win. and even if he doesnt win another grandslam again, even if people will say that he's a 'One Hit Wonder', he still won a grandslam, which i believe is every tennis player's dream, and no one can take that away from him.

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 10:49 PM
Yashirobai, it's actually been only five years since there were no Spaniards in the semis, in 99 we had an American, a Slovak, a Ukrainian and a Brazilian (not Guga) - although when you said 1990, did you mean the 90s in general? It's still a remarkable achievement by Spain, but when you look at it with Ferrero injured Moya is the only top player contending for big titles at the moment, whereas Argentina has at least three now.

ys
06-06-2004, 10:50 PM
of course he deserved _this_ _title_, and _this_ _title_ deserved him.

Chris Seahorse
06-06-2004, 10:55 PM
Gaudio was lucky no question about it. But then that is part of sports. If we wanted to be sure the most talented "deserving" person won every year we could always have an expert committee to decide who are the most deserving players to win the four slams. Gaudio was lucky to have favorable draw and also lucky to have Coria suffer cramps in the final. If not for this good forture he would not have won. End of story.

HOWEVER, many players get good fortune over the course of a year, but not all of them take advantage of it. At the start of the tournament I recall many saying (correctly as it turned out) that the winner of the match between Gaudio and Canas had a chance to go a long way. Gaudio managed to seize that opportunity. Canas didnt. In the final Coria was nowhere to be found in the forth set, a set Gaudio didnt have to do much to win, but had he not played the best (and gutiest) set he played in the tournament in the 3rd there wouldnt have been a fourth (or fifth) set. In the fifth set Coria was clearly playing better and was moving reasonable well. But there is a huge difference between moving reasonable well and the speed Coria usually shows around the court. Also his serve was about on par with Dementieva's. So Gaudio was presented with a dream opportunity. As it happened Gaudio's play during most of the 5th set was almost so bad that he let this great opportunity slip and there was a great danger Roland Garros was going to turn into the biggest choke of his career. But somehow he overcame his mental fragility and hung in and made the most of the luck he was given. It was touch and go for a bit but he got though it. To Coria's credit he made it as hard for him as he was caperble of.

As that saying goes, some are both great, some achieve greatness and other have greatness thrust upon them. But even though Gaudio had greatness thrust upon him it was still his match to win or loss. He could easily have lost. But he didn't. I don't know if Im comfortable saying he deserved it as that implys others don't deserve it. Frankly all these tennis players work awfully hard and any opportunities that come their way that they take advantage of well......it's all deserved as far as im concerned.

Dirk
06-06-2004, 10:56 PM
I hope Gaudio's career titles can hit the number 10 or more. I have a feeling they will all be on clay. I can't stand this one slam wonder title. Thomas had knee surgery and is struggling to come back, that is why he has fallen but he has won a masters title. Costa has 12 clay titles including a clay master, Goran has over 20 titles same with Gomez. Moya could win another one but if he doesn't he surely will collect more titles. This label makes it seem as if these guys had bad careers. I just don't think its a fair assessment of their careers or ability.

lizabeth..*
06-06-2004, 10:59 PM
Hell fecking yes he deserved it!!
Congratulations Gassttoonn :woohoo: :banana:

sigmagirl91
06-06-2004, 11:01 PM
Yes, he did. If Coria could not close out a match that not only was he favored to win, but expected to win, he needed to lose. Case closed. Why is this a question anyway?

lalaland
06-06-2004, 11:03 PM
The first 2 sets took just about 1 hour. Coria was up 40-0 at 4 all in the third set before he finally lost that serve game. If he was able to close out the match in 3 sets, then he would not have to suffer fatigue and nervous cramps. Gaudio had to fight past the humiliation of losing the first 2 sets playing so nervously, and he played well to take the third set. If nothing, his play has contributed to Coria’s getting tired and nervous, hence the cramps. At the end, Coria has 2 championship points that he didn’t convert, he has his chance. Gaudio has 1 CP and he took it. Gaudio deserves it.

michelleg
06-06-2004, 11:04 PM
My sentiments exactly, Sigma.

My children often ask me questions to which they already know the answer...if only to hear the sound of their own voice.

Now come up with something brilliant and redeem yourself.

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 11:06 PM
Yes, when you consider how few players get to be GS champions the label One-Slam Wonder is stupid. For my part, there are so many good players out there deserving of a Slam that to win even one is a great achievement, and to expect them to win more is asking an awful lot. I'm just glad that someone in my signature whose name isn't Federer has taken that opportunity. We're halfway through the Sjengster Slam which I hoped for at the start of the year on MTF, would Henman care to pick up the baton now?

darnyelb
06-06-2004, 11:07 PM
Of course he did. Whoever wins 7 matches deserves the championship.

TennisLurker
06-06-2004, 11:08 PM
I thought you predicted novak would win the us open, not schalken.

TennisLurker
06-06-2004, 11:12 PM
if you watch gaudio's head to head agaisnt ferrero, moya, safin or coria you see that he has beaten them all on clay, many times and usually when he loses it is a 3 sets match, and many of those times, a choke.
Gaudio is a top 8 player on clay.

Lisbeth
06-06-2004, 11:12 PM
I agree that it's obvious he deserved it. In my view, every slam winner deserves the title because, whatever else may be going on, that person was the only player standing after 7 matches. Trite but true! I like to apply to this to every winner regardless of their ranking or whether or not I like them!

I would only change this view in the event of foul play, ie if a player payed for his opponent to be injured or poisoned.

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 11:24 PM
I thought you predicted novak would win the us open, not schalken.

Well, it was actually who I hoped to win, not who I predicted - if it was a real prediction, there's no way in hell I would have picked Gaudio to win RG, with all due respect. ;) But no, I did go for Schalken since he was a semifinalist in New York two years ago. In hindsight, that may prove to be the one that got away...

Action Jackson
06-07-2004, 05:24 AM
Of course he deserved it, Gaudio fought back and held his nerve and overcome his mental demons and his physical fitness was superior when it counted.

WyveN
06-07-2004, 05:31 AM
Obviously he deserved it, only one in the tournament to win 7 matches and the tennis against Hewitt/Nalbandian/Enqvist was some of the best I seen over the past 2 weeks.

Yes he got a little lucky in the final because Coria cramped but that is part of the game and Guillemo should have been more physically/mentally prepared, you dont get grand slams handed to you on a platter.

alfonsojose
06-07-2004, 05:34 AM
He won seven matches, he deserved. ;)

ale
06-07-2004, 05:49 AM
He won the tittle but he didnt deserve it.

athie
06-07-2004, 05:55 AM
This mornings BBC report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/3781787.stm)

naiwen
06-07-2004, 05:59 AM
Johansson was, Costa wasn't. Costa has won some Masters Series and reached the final of all the clay-MS. He's also been a RG semifinalist apart from his victory and won many more tournaments than Gaudio or Johansson have. Costa reaches #6 in the ranking as well. I' say he is a level up.

Johansson has won a TMS title before.

lsy
06-07-2004, 06:04 AM
He won the tittle but he didnt deserve it.

wow...I can't believe that about 10 hours later since you called Gaudio a "lucky loser" after he won, you're still saying this same bullshit.

Did you not realise that the cramp/dramas only came after Gaudio finally calm his nerves, played some great games and won the 3rd set?

Even without the injuries/cramp from Coria, I would have expected Gaudio to put up a tight match vs Coria after that.

He certainlly deserves even inch of this win.

walee
06-07-2004, 06:48 AM
He won the tittle but he didnt deserve it.

I am not sure if I can understand this.
Gaudio played the first 2 sets poorly, missing a lot and didn't serve well. He admited he was too nervous and couldn't play his game, he froze. But he fought through his nerves and hang in there, not giving up.

Coria played poorly in the last 2 sets. He admitted that nerves gets to him, he cramped. He couldn't play his game and he tried to hang in there but he failed.

And you congratulated Coria for fighting hard and not give up and declared that Gaudio doesn't deserve to win :confused: ? From what I saw, they both suffering from nerves in different time of the match. If Gaudio was just lucky to win the last 2 sets because Coria cramp, how come you didn't think Coria was lucky to win the first 2 sets because Gaudio freeze? And when both are playing at their normal level in the third set, Gaudio actually beat Coria, how do you explain that?

CooCooCachoo
06-07-2004, 06:53 AM
Of course Gaston deserved to win it. Injuries, cramps.. All part of the game. Physically, he was stronger, although Coría is definitely the better player.

ale
06-07-2004, 07:30 AM
It is just my opinion and it is not based only on the match. The thread is about the TITTLE not the match. And I based my opinion on all the effort made previously through the past year by both. Last year coming into RG Ferrero deserved the tittle this year I think that Coria deserved the tittle. If Coria was not the one Nalb, Moya, Henman deserved the tittle more than Gaudio.

merle
06-07-2004, 07:39 AM
Of course Gastón deserved the title!! :bigclap: :bounce:

Yashirobai
06-07-2004, 01:24 PM
Yashirobai, it's actually been only five years since there were no Spaniards in the semis, in 99 we had an American, a Slovak, a Ukrainian and a Brazilian (not Guga) - although when you said 1990, did you mean the 90s in general? It's still a remarkable achievement by Spain, but when you look at it with Ferrero injured Moya is the only top player contending for big titles at the moment, whereas Argentina has at least three now.


In fact, I don't know what I tried to say, it could be an error when I wrote it or, yes, in the 90's; I don't know, I just heart it somwehwere... never mind,

But you are wrong when you say Moya is the only top player contending for big titles at the moment. Robredo and Costa -as he proved in 2002 and 2003- can be, like Gaudio, big contenders, even though they may not be favourites -like Gaudio.

Yashirobai
06-07-2004, 01:27 PM
Johansson has won a TMS title before.

Yeah, I know, but still, Johansson (and Gaudio)'s career is definetly poorer and worse than Costa's.

TennisLurker
06-07-2004, 01:33 PM
I agree, Costa is a contender, I thought he had a big chance to win or to make the final this year, but I dont think Robredo is a contender.
Robredo doesnt push the top players on clay (ferrero, coria, safin, or moya) as hard as gaudio, who has beaten them all, I think Robredo is not very good against top players.

Sommarsverige
06-07-2004, 01:44 PM
Of course Gaston deserves the title!!!

He has played constantly during the 2 weeks and he played great tennis in many matches. Of course he was a bit lucky yesterday, but Coria missed also 2 matchpoints, so even because of the injury, Coria could have been the winner.

I am also sure that this victory means a lot more to Gaston and that Coria will get many more chances to win the French Open in the future.

HybridTheory
06-07-2004, 02:16 PM
yeah of course he did
He won all his matches, so that prooved that hes one of the best, and yes, yesterday was with some luck, but every player needs a bit of luck sometimes, and Gaston didn't have a lot of it in his career yet so I think he deserves it more than anyone else

star
06-07-2004, 02:19 PM
I believe it's obvious that he deserved it since it's impossible to win a Grand Slam, seven five-set matches, without deserving it, but since I've seen many people don't agree with me and those who believe that, here is the question to make it more clear.

Of course!! Whoever wins deserves it. :)

Gaudio was stronger physically and mentally than was Guille. He was the better player.

Leo
06-07-2004, 02:25 PM
Yeah, I know, but still, Johansson (and Gaudio)'s career is definetly poorer and worse than Costa's.

Their careers aren't over yet. Especially Gaudio, he's only 26.

Anyway, this is a ridiculous question and I can't believe 11 people actually think he doesn't deserve the title. :confused:

faboozadoo15
06-07-2004, 03:28 PM
12 a*holes in the delusional looney bin.... :retard:

RogiFan88
06-07-2004, 03:51 PM
Yes, Gaston deserved to win RG this year. He earned the title by beating Canas and Novak in 5 tough sets, then progressively getting better v. Enqvist, Andreev and Hewitt [who is never easy to beat on any surface and has actually made the QFs before] and then facing Nalby for the first time and beating him.

He passed his biggest test v. THE claycourter Guille altho nerves played a huge factor for both of them. Credit to Gaston for not crapping out in straights and having some pride to fight and go the distance. When Guille, who was no doubt looking to close out the match in 3 sets, saw that Gaston was starting to get into the match in the 3rd set and press him, he became nervous and unfortunately, that caused his cramps. THe 4th set was so weird -- I'm sure Gaston must have been wondering what to do... Guille definitely threw him off, as well as the crowd and anyone watching the match. Then in the even weirder 5th set, Guille returned almost as if he didn't have a physical problem, which completely flustered Gaston. What a break-fest!

Gaston showed for once that he really cared about winning, that he was willing to fight to the end and not give up, not choke, and tell himself that yes, even he could beat Guille on this huge occasion. He managed to keep his negative emotions in check for the most part, also commendable.

It was a relief to see how Gaston allowed the crowd to help him -- applauding the OLA and smiling when he made some fab shots and winners.

Gaston could have so easily thrown in the towel and given the trophy to the favourite but he didn't. In overcoming nerves in his very first slam final, the one he [and Guille] dreamed of, in fact, in overcoming himself basically, Gaston has proven a worthy winner.

I applaud you, Gaston, for a marvellous RG04!

VIVA el Rey de Paris!!

His tears of joy were genuine and moved me!

I think if Gaston had not decided to stay in the match during the 3rd set, then Guille w not have become nervous and developed cramps, which ultimately, in the end, lead to his defeat. Guille does not like to have to play beyond 3 sets. Seems strange that he has had some physical problem in his finals: Miami, Hamburg and RG.

That 5th set fr 5-4 [Guille] onwards was amazing! Still can't believe how Gaston was able to hold and finally break to win... that took a lot of courage on his part.

Congrats, Gaston, for winning your first RG the first time you reached the final, not an easy thing to do!

Kip
06-07-2004, 03:59 PM
Ofcourse he deserved it! :cool:

Both players fought, were worthy, had their chances
to win this match, and Gaston prevailed! :hatoff:

YoursTruly
06-07-2004, 04:05 PM
Of course he did! He just wasn't some player who arrived in the finals, but he is really a talented player who should be ranked much higher than his ranking. He's been a dangerous floater for some time now. :)

Yashirobai
06-07-2004, 04:08 PM
14% of people think he did not deserve it... :rolleyes:

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-07-2004, 05:18 PM
I believe that 6 out of 7 of his wins were done all by his talented self, and one of the wins, he used his talent and benefitted from some luck, :)

I dont know if I believe in deserving anything, in any aspect of life, so I wont answer the thread question

John.Charles
06-07-2004, 06:30 PM
hey hey. for sure he deserved to win the title. it takes one man to win the french open. gaston was the one who overcame it all. he fought tough. of course LUCK is always involved in any grandslam. AND HEY...DIDN'T HE SAVE 2 CHAMPIONSHIP POINTS? sure Coria missed the 2 wide on the lines but Gaudio could have easily dumped a backhand into the net too. I thought that final was the greatest in the longest time.

FryslanBoppe
06-08-2004, 01:13 AM
Of course Gaston deserved to win this title. He overcome his horrible 5 set record and was able to win 3 of them in this tournament.

Gaudio was forgotten about, written off as a waste and didn't seem to care about tennis. He was the physically stronger and overcame his own doubts, he still had to go and win the championship and after the first 2 sets where he was very ordinary and didn't do himself justice, he decides to fight as hard as possible and it was Coria who got tight and started cramping.

After all those breaks of serve, and the previous experiences he overcame them and yes he deserves this championship.

Teemuh
06-08-2004, 02:28 AM
Lets face it. You can only play the guy in front of you, in whatever shape or condition he's in. Gaudio did that. He beat six other guys to get himself in this position. His conditioning was good enough that he wasn't cramping, and his nerve was good enough that he could stare down two match points and pull the thing out. On that level, hell yes, he deserves the title.

*SKYE*
06-08-2004, 12:46 PM
YES of course he deserved it, how can he not deserve it?
He fought for that title and was the winner! Especialli considering the fact that he wasnt the favourable one of the two, so to see an unexpected win was exciting to see

Yashirobai
06-08-2004, 03:01 PM
100 people have voted yes until now.

Definetly the result looks clear.

For the majority of MTF users, Gaudio DID DESERVE the title.

CmonAussie
06-08-2004, 03:15 PM
Gaudio def many good players so certainly deserved champion!!
--->>>Canas; Novak; Enquist; Andreev; Hewitt; Nalbandian & Coria saw Gaston's magic 1st hand*@@*!

It's just that until now Gaudio had been an underachiever BUT suddenly he turned around his career in the most spectacular fashion! Hope he wins some more titles (& some hardcourt also) to prove it to anyone who dare say it was a 'fluke'>_<.

Yashirobai
06-08-2004, 03:19 PM
From the 7 players he defeated, 6 have played Tennis Masters Series or Grand Slam finals, and won many of those. It proves how good players Gaudio had to defeat in five-set matches to take the title. Obviously deserved.

Experimentee
06-10-2004, 04:15 PM
There is no way anyone can say Gaudio did not deserve it.
First he won 7 best of 5 set matches, and he had tougher matches than Coria had. Also he made a big effort to come back from 2 sets to love down in the final.
Its not his fault Coria was too unfit to even last 3 sets of tennis!
I think both of them deserved it, but if anything Coria didnt because of his disgusting gamesmanship. I think he had some cramps in the 4th set, but was tanking it anyway, so he greatly exaggerated it knowing Gaudio's weak mentality, and hoping Gaudio would choke, and it was working for a while. It was infuriating how Coria was acting crippled in the 4th set, but then came back to life in the 5th and was running and moving normally, even skipping between every point to rub it in :mad:
In the end the one who played fair won the match and also morally deserved it as well as physically.

CmonAussie
06-10-2004, 04:32 PM
From the 7 players he defeated, 6 have played Tennis Masters Series or Grand Slam finals, and won many of those. It proves how good players Gaudio had to defeat in five-set matches to take the title. Obviously deserved.
:wavey: :cool:
Yeah consider how many titles those guys Gaudio defeated had too:

Rd1. Canas = 3-titles
Rd2. Novak = 5-titles
Rd3. Enquist = 19-titles
Rd4. Andreev = 0 (but they will come)
QF. Hewitt = 21-titles :worship:
SF. Nalbandian = 2-titles
Final. Coria = 8-titles

Therefore TOTAL Titles of players Gaudio defeated at RG 04 = 58 :angel: !

Action Jackson
06-10-2004, 04:37 PM
:wavey: :cool:
Yeah consider how many titles those guys Gaudio defeated had too:

Rd1. Canas = 3-titles
Rd2. Novak = 5-titles
Rd3. Enquist = 19-titles
Rd4. Andreev = 0 (but they will come)
QF. Hewitt = 21-titles :worship:
SF. Nalbandian = 2-titles
Final. Coria = 8-titles

Therefore TOTAL Titles of players Gaudio defeated at RG 04 = 58 :angel: !

That's not good enough for some people who will still be whining and making excuses, the facts are that he deserved the title and came through when it counted. Physical strength and endurance is part of the game as well.

Deboogle!.
06-10-2004, 05:07 PM
I can't believe some people actually said no :eek:

Action Jackson
06-10-2004, 05:11 PM
I can't believe some people actually said no :eek:

I was not even this bad when Roddick won the US Open. I mightn't have liked the circumstances beforehand which could have been avoided to an extent ( another story), but he got the job done when it counted, good for him and just like Gaudio his name is on a Slam trophy.

CmonAussie
06-10-2004, 05:18 PM
I was not even this bad when Roddick won the US Open. I mightn't have liked the circumstances beforehand which could have been avoided to an extent ( another story), but he got the job done when it counted, good for him and just like Gaudio his name is on a Slam trophy.
:cool:
Basicaly Gaudio performed the miracle fairytale {Hollywood ending} that we all dream of :worship: :worship: !! Despite a frustrating career where he almost had success he seemed destined for the underachiever category; then suddenly he re-emerges a mentally strong gritty Champion after 2-weeks of superb play :) ! Tops it off by completing one of the biggest comebacks in Tennis History :worship: :worship: !

* Obviously there's a lot of jealousy in this world :sad: ; people can't bare the fact that Gaudio lived the dream :p ! Also I think many people have resented Hewitt for the same reasons~ plenty still think USO 01 was a fluke & they still weren't happy when he claimed his 2nd Slam nor all the other accomplishments :angel: .

Chloe le Bopper
06-10-2004, 05:20 PM
I was not even this bad when Roddick won the US Open. I mightn't have liked the circumstances beforehand which could have been avoided to an extent ( another story), but he got the job done when it counted, good for him and just like Gaudio his name is on a Slam trophy.
Eeehhh. The media might not have gotten on Roddick, but I seem to recall it being pretty ugly here. And yes, I contributed. The circumstances around that entire tournament were absolute BS... but I disgree :cool:

Action Jackson
06-10-2004, 05:27 PM
Eeehhh. The media might not have gotten on Roddick, but I seem to recall it being pretty ugly here. And yes, I contributed. The circumstances around that entire tournament were absolute BS... but I disgree :cool:

As I said I wasn't thrilled at the time and I manage it would have got ugly, but as I said previously there were avoidable circumstances that led to this, which I won't go into as that has been done to death. At least there were more credence to those arguments, at the same time you disagree that Roddick and Gaudio have the same amount of Slams?

Action Jackson
06-10-2004, 05:32 PM
:cool:
Basicaly Gaudio performed the miracle fairytale {Hollywood ending} that we all dream of :worship: :worship: !! Despite a frustrating career where he almost had success he seemed destined for the underachiever category; then suddenly he re-emerges a mentally strong gritty Champion after 2-weeks of superb play :) ! Tops it off by completing one of the biggest comebacks in Tennis History :worship: :worship: !

* Obviously there's a lot of jealousy in this world :sad: ; people can't bare the fact that Gaudio lived the dream :p ! Also I think many people have resented Hewitt for the same reasons~ plenty still think USO 01 was a fluke & they still weren't happy when he claimed his 2nd Slam nor all the other accomplishments :angel: .

As I said before I love how people keep using this cramp issue as it was Gaudio's fault that he put a magical spell on him at this particular moment. I am aware of Gaudio's career and when I look back at it now, how sad must Rios and Corretja be? These are guys that routinely schooled Gaudio and never won RG when they should have at least once.

It's the toadies that irritate me more than anything else, Coria is taking it better than many of his fans, well he seems to be cluey enough and will learn from this, though some others mightn't. Hewitt well he took advantage at Wimbledon, but at the same time I have given him dues.

Chloe le Bopper
06-10-2004, 05:38 PM
As I said I wasn't thrilled at the time and I manage it would have got ugly, but as I said previously there were avoidable circumstances that led to this, which I won't go into as that has been done to death. At least there were more credence to those arguments, at the same time you disagree that Roddick and Gaudio have the same amount of Slams?
At the end of the day, they both have a slam. The circumstances surrounding Roddicks win were far more... sketchy than those surrounding Gaudio's, yes.

Sometimes people forget that it's not enough to be the favourite, you actually have to excute and convert the important points. "Nervous cramps"... that is something that comes with the sport sometimes. Gaudio didn't get them, Coria did. Gaudio played the better tennis when it absolutely matter, Coria didn't. Why this is even up for debate is beyond me. Thankfully it seems that it's just a few dweebs who think Gaudio didn't deserve to win. If I, as a Coria fan since 2001, was able to enjoy it... the new Coria fans should be able to find a way too ;) (and you'll find that quite a few of them on here did... it's just the trolls are very loud)

TennisLurker
06-10-2004, 05:39 PM
I was thinking exactly that yesterday, Gaudio is the bitch of 2 of the best player who never won a slam, Rios and Corretja, ... and now Gaudio is a grand slam champion, lol.

Action Jackson
06-10-2004, 05:43 PM
I was thinking exactly that yesterday, Gaudio is the bitch of 2 of the best player who never won a slam, Rios and Corretja, ... and now Gaudio is a grand slam champion, lol.

Even in practice as Gaudio has trained a lot with Rios and Corretja.

In Australia Corretja bitch slapped Gaudio in training as well. :)

TennisLurker
06-10-2004, 05:49 PM
I understand why Rios always bitchslaps Gaudio, but I never understood why he had so many problems against Corretja, I mean, Gaudio has beaten many player similar to Alex, like Costa.

Corretja, Rios and Nicolas Lapentti are the 3 undesired ones for a Gaudio fan.

Action Jackson
06-10-2004, 05:52 PM
I understand why Rios always bitchslaps Gaudio, but I never understood why he had so many problems against Corretja, I mean, Gaudio has beaten many player similar to Alex, like Costa.

Corretja, Rios and Nicolas Lapentti are the 3 undesired ones for a Gaudio fan.

Rios knows exactly how to play Gaudio. Corretja at his best was very hard to break down in many ways they are similar, the backhand, the average serve, the fitness, court sense and maybe Corretja was just a bit better and Gaston lacked the belief. Lapentti mixed the speed and spins of the ball and didn't give him any rhythm.

RogiFan88
06-10-2004, 08:47 PM
Alex is a smart player; he may not be the most talented, as he called himself the worker as opposed to Carlos the talent guy. It's funny how Alex has beaten Rafa twice now while Rafa has beaten both Moya and Costa! Alex does the mostunlikely things oncourt, like upsetting Juanqui at MC and my fave, surprising Sampras at DC on grass in Houston!! I enjoyed that one!

Now Rios, I wish I had seen some of his great matches -- I only really saw him during that 2002 year, at the AO, v. Lapentti, Haas. He's amazing, v talented and sneering all the while!! No, I lie, I have had the opportunity to see Rios beat Moya in TO02! He was playing quite a high level match!

Yashirobai
06-10-2004, 09:31 PM
Lapentti is a very talented guy. I don't understand why he is not in a better spot in the rankings. He should be in top 30.

Experimentee
06-11-2004, 02:02 PM
Lapentti is a very talented guy. I don't understand why he is not in a better spot in the rankings. He should be in top 30.

I know. I remember when he was once top 10, playing excellent tennis and its just amazing that a few years later he is ranked so low and struggling to win matches. I never heard of any injuries that might have caused his bad form. I hope he gets himself together soon as he is too talented to be losing all the time :sad:

YulBrynnerWasBald
06-11-2004, 02:06 PM
Lapentti is a very talented guy. I don't understand why he is not in a better spot in the rankings. He should be in top 30.

A lot of things have come very easy for Lapentti and maybe he isn't too focused, though now he has Alberto Mancini as coach, so maybe he is getting a bit serious now.

Experimentee
06-11-2004, 02:14 PM
The stupid people in the media seem to agree with the small percentage of people who voted no :rolleyes:
I just saw these were the questions Gaudio was asked at the press conference. Instead of congratulating him, they imply that he was lucky and didnt deserve the title :mad:

Q. Do you think this is your win 100 percent, or that his injury helped you a lot or affected him?

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, I think that if you play with a guy that he's injured, of course it's gonna help you. But that was in the fourth set. And then in the fifth, he start to run again like the beginning of the match.

Q. One last question. Is what happened this afternoon, in your opinion, is it an example simply of life just not being very fair sometimes? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Being not fair? Why?

Q. Because your opponent suffered an extreme physical injury during the match.
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Since when did nervous cramps become an extreme physical injury? :rolleyes:

YulBrynnerWasBald
06-11-2004, 02:18 PM
The stupid people in the media seem to agree with the small percentage of people who voted no :rolleyes:
Since when did nervous cramps become an extreme physical injury? :rolleyes:

Well we know the truth and cramp is not an injury, though some people don't have a clue. I have just read some posts on other threads well George and Wyver said it the best, sips of water aren't going to help cramp just go way, the whole bottle would almost be needed to rehydrate and no matter what happens Gaudio is champion and that can't be changed.

MissPovaFan
06-11-2004, 02:46 PM
GASTON GAUDIO: Well, I think that if you play with a guy that he's injured, of course it's gonna help you. But that was in the fourth set. And then in the fifth, he start to run again like the beginning of the match.

Theres no way Coria could run as good as he could at the beginning of the match and his serve was still a great deal slower. It was an improvement on the 4th set - probably Coria was at 80% whereas in the 4th set he was at 60%.

moby
06-11-2004, 02:47 PM
in the 4th set he was at 0%

YulBrynnerWasBald
06-11-2004, 02:52 PM
in the 4th set he was at 0%

Whose fault was that?

Yashirobai
06-12-2004, 10:42 AM
in the 4th set he was at 0%


Then how did he win a game??? (Gaudio did not do 4 double faults ;) )

*Ljubica*
06-12-2004, 11:46 AM
Of course Gaudio deserved it - he didn't just win that one match - he won 7. I just wish some people would stop whingeing and trying to denigrate his success. He held his nerve in the crucial moments (not so easy for someone like him), and he is a worthy winner - I think it's just so sad that this dream success for him is being tainted by some people saying he didn't deserve it. Enjoy your success and your moment Gaston and don't listen to the detractors :)

sigmagirl91
06-12-2004, 11:50 AM
Why doesn't this thread just die? Gaudio won it, and no amount of bitching and moaning will take that away.

HybridTheory
06-12-2004, 12:03 PM
Why doesn't this thread just die? Gaudio won it, and no amount of bitching and moaning will take that away.

:yeah:

sigmagirl91
06-12-2004, 12:09 PM
And woe to the 22 people who actually said "no". Come on, guys, please stop whining....

tennischick
06-12-2004, 01:43 PM
i love all the Argie players and would have been happy if any one of them had won RG, but i was THRILLED that Gaudio won.

Coria needs to grow up, quit all his stupid gamesmanship tendencies, and keep trying to win honestly. i hope he does so next year. and Nalbandian the year after.

gravity
06-12-2004, 01:50 PM
And woe to the 22 people who actually said "no". Come on, guys, please stop whining....

Wow I agree with YOU. You should visit Guille's forum on here.... they're now claiming Gaston is wishing their hero dead in all his interviews around the world. :D

*Ljubica*
06-12-2004, 02:06 PM
[QUOTE=gravity]Wow I agree with YOU. You should visit Guille's forum on here.... they're now claiming Gaston is

Which unfortunately says an awful lot about the maturity of some of Guille's fans here :devil: Defeat is as much a part of tennis as winning - in fact people usually say they learn and develop more because of their losses than their victories. I am sure Coria has already moved on and learnt something from his Roland Garros experience - some of his fans should grow up, shut up and do the same.

Experimentee
06-12-2004, 04:11 PM
Theres no way Coria could run as good as he could at the beginning of the match and his serve was still a great deal slower. It was an improvement on the 4th set - probably Coria was at 80% whereas in the 4th set he was at 60%.

No one runs as fast in the 5th set as they do in the 1st. Its called fatigue. I watched some highlights today and Coria was moving as well in the 5th set as he was in the first, if u take away slight fatigue factors.
Coria has never had a big booming serve anyway, and his serve was not affected that much in the 5th set.
Coria fans have really shown themselves to be huge whiners, they take after their player :o

Xavidbz
06-14-2004, 03:05 PM
Gaudio deesrved it. As simple as that.

Fostin
06-14-2004, 04:21 PM
He totally deserved it...