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Coria overrated???

little duck
06-06-2004, 09:30 PM
They call him 'el magico' and refer to as 'unbeatable on clay', but I have problems to understand why? When you watch his game he is fast and easy on hand and very consistent and... that's it. You see no major weapon, and he is so tiny. Eurosport commentator also said that he doubted Coria can win Roland Garros because he seems to tiny and voulnerable. But, Coria had a prety good draw.

I also don't see that he is unbeatable. Tim Henman pressed him hard, and Roger Federer beat him on his favorite surface.
And take notice: HE NEVER PLAYED SO MANY GOOD PLAYERS on clay. He didn't play Ferrero. Neither Kuerten at his best as far as I know. I don't know about Nalbandian neither - although but he is only starting to play well on clay. His good claycort record may be also due to luck - he simply didn't play the best guys.

And don't understand me wrong, I don't say he is not a top-player. But who else has the impression that 'unbeatable', and his clay record are overrated?

fco253
06-06-2004, 09:37 PM
Well...let's see the facts : he has lost only TWO MATCHES IN A WHOLE YEAR...

..both were finals, one against Nº1 in the world and the other after getting injured while winning...his record was 37-2 and bageled a lot of sets.

In today's competitive tennis, that's as "unbeatable" as you will find...

...if you don't like the guy, OK, but dont' expect the rest of us to share your denial...

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 09:37 PM
Yeah, overrated. 2 losses on clay since last RG semis and finals of hardcourt Miami :rolleyes:

-wokkel-
06-06-2004, 09:40 PM
hahah.. overrated.. :lol: Fuck off..

Steve-o
06-06-2004, 09:41 PM
Guillermo actually looks taller than Gaudio. Guillermo needs to get into the gym and start hitting the weights. He'll be fine.

Carito_90
06-06-2004, 09:42 PM
Kuerten at his best as far as I know.

Okay i think i don't need to give explanations to someone that says that :lol: sorry.

Snoopy_Girl
06-06-2004, 09:43 PM
Overrated: on clay? no, not at all, IMO.... Not most people's fave player: yeah, apparently

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 09:47 PM
I don't think he's overrated but he's certainly not unbeatable on clay, no player is unbeatable in the men's game, thank goodness. I myself called him a fortunate retriever when he got to the Miami final largely thanks to chokes by Benneteau and Gonzalez without being very convincing, but he does have more dimensions than just defence and it's obvious on a clay court where he uses the angles so well, switches to offensive mode and moves his opponents around the court, and finishes off points smartly with a perfectly timed dropshot (which is an offensive shot, after all). In the first couple of sets today and even later on there were plenty of times where he soaked up pressure from Gaudio, got the ball in an awkward place and then hit big winners himself with plenty of margin for error.

I do agree he had a fairly kind draw, and with Ferrero presumably back to full health next year he may regret this missed opportunity, but I'm pretty sure he'll be in the mix of top contenders; he seemingly owns Moya nowadays, and perhaps could take advantage of Kuerten's weaker movement these days should they meet. The bottom line is, a winning streak of that nature on clay should never be underestimated, it is a great physical and mental achievement. When you see him play a dull as hell snoozefest against the likes of David Ferrer and pick up weak titles like Sopot you begin to wonder about his credentials, but then it's also true that you only see how good a top player is when they're really tested; think of his one-sided drubbings of Enqvist and Kiefer in Monte Carlo this year, then remember the gruelling battle he came through in the next round against Pavel, who pushed him all the way and forced him to come up with his best tennis.

trixy
06-06-2004, 09:49 PM
I don't think hes overated at all.

He'll deffinetly win Roland Garros, just wasn't meant to be yesterday.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 09:51 PM
Steve-o: Gaudio is one of the fittest guys on tour.

elroyf
06-06-2004, 09:53 PM
I think maybe a tiny bit overated - every game he is made extreme favourite which should not be the case. Henman (who is supposedly crap on clay) should have beaten him - Coria was extreme favourite and maybe should have lost. Gaudio beat him too albeit with some injury problems.

He is not unbeatable on clay. I think he is overrated in that people think he will win every match he plays on clay.

Carito_90
06-06-2004, 09:58 PM
Steve-o: Gaudio is one of the fittest guys on tour.


Yah but he's talking about Guille

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 10:16 PM
Yes, and Coria evidently is not one of the fittest guys on tour when you look at all his injury problems. It's happened too many times to be a coincidence, it's something he needs to address urgently and you can hardly blame it all on best of five set matches as other players hold up perfectly well when faced with the same task. If it really is something to do with his being unable to take supplements or vitamins anymore, that's a real pity - with all that's happened recently, Rusedski being acquitted and the ATP lambasted for its handling of the issue, Coria can feel free to try a supplement of some kind?

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 10:34 PM
he doubted Coria can win Roland Garros because he seems to tiny and voulnerable.

Gee, isn't that *exactly* what they used to say about Ferrero? :)

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 10:41 PM
I know Ferrero was a bit on the thin side a few years ago, but did they really say that about him? It's true his serve was something of a weakness back then, but he's always had that forehand, which is a massive groundstroke weapon that Coria lacks. Not that I'm saying it will necessarily preclude him from winning RG, but it may make things tougher for him when he has to play a succession of top players who can give him a tough match (ie: not Moya).

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 10:44 PM
Yes, they did say that about Ferrero.

COMA
06-07-2004, 12:48 AM
The only one who might be overrated now is Gaudio...

WyveN
06-07-2004, 01:50 AM
Yes I do think he is a little overrated on this forum. Some people weren't even open to the possibility of him not winning the FO and you just have to look at this place before the Coria-Henman match.
Everyone expected Coria to completely steam roll Henman yet Timmy came pretty close to overcoming the clay master on his worst surface.

liptea
06-07-2004, 03:29 AM
I don't think he's overrated but he's certainly not unbeatable on clay, no player is unbeatable in the men's game, thank goodness.....
I do agree he had a fairly kind draw, and with Ferrero presumably back to full health next year he may regret this missed opportunity, but I'm pretty sure he'll be in the mix of top contenders; he seemingly owns Moya nowadays, and perhaps could take advantage of Kuerten's weaker movement these days should they meet.

Well, I think that the fact that people even claimed that he was unbeatable makes him a little bit overrated.

Maybe he's beating certain players because he believes he's unbeatable? It's such an awesome psychological boost to have everyone telling you that you're amazing, and I think that's what makes him so good is that he never gives up. Against Moya, against Henman, against everyone, I think that he starts thinking, "Hey, I'm amazing. I'm unbeatable on clay. I'm not going to get beaten."

Against Federer, I think it was the same thing on both sides of the net. People have been talking about Federer's godly talent since Wimbledon, and I think he's started to believe in his abilities more. The fact that Roger had two majors and a Masters series under his belt, not to mention wins over Hewitt and Moya back-to-back must've bolstered his self-image of invincibility, which was stronger than Coria's, who had no major and a handful of more minor clay tournaments.

So Coria is good, but this loss isn't going to help his game. I think self-belief is what makes a tennis player great or just good. And Coria's belief in his own invincibility has been shaken a bit. And, I don't wanna get killed( ;) ), so I just wanna clarify that I don't mean to bring down Coria's achievements at all. I'm just stating that his belief in himself is what has made him so great on clay over this last year.

My, that was long.

Chloe le Bopper
06-07-2004, 03:59 AM
Very very very few people actually thought Coria was unbeatable :rolleyes: And not everybody thought he was going to triple bagel Henman :rolleyes:

But if it makes some of you feel better to spout off about the 4 or so people who actually think that (instead of noticing that there are also blinded fans who think that about Safin, Roddick, and any other player), then continue as you were :rolleyes:

ys
06-07-2004, 04:01 AM
He is not overrated, he is a wonderful claycourter. His only problem is that he is not physically strong enough to win as much as he could otherwise. You can see that he played two huge finals this year, Miami and Paris, and in both of them he was in winning position but ultimately succumbed to his physical problems - I do not think it is a coincidence.

*SKYE*
06-07-2004, 04:07 AM
he isnt that overrated but i dont think he is as good as sum people rekon he is. Yes, he is a brilliant clay-courter but out him onto anotha surface and its a totalli diffeent person

ys
06-07-2004, 04:11 AM
he isnt that overrated but i dont think he is as good as sum people rekon he is. Yes, he is a brilliant clay-courter but out him onto anotha surface and its a totalli diffeent person

That's for sure. But I would expect him to make occasional quarters or semis of hardcourt Slams over his career. But Miami also showed that not only can be successful on hardcourts, it also showed that he can be easily outhit on hardcourts by all kinds of bennetaus or gonzaleses.

Action Jackson
06-07-2004, 05:05 AM
Coria has a few too many rabid and delusional fans on here, the ones who try and discredit the opponents victories anytime he happens to lose especially on clay and that definitely helps in making him seem overrated. I don't think he is actually.

Coria will get stronger physically and needs to do so, he is tactically very intelligent and something of a rarity these days, and his anticipation is outstanding and these can't be taught, while at his best on clay. Those very important skills he has will help him on the hardcourts, though the weaknesses he has can be exploited on faster surfaces. If he improves his stamina and conditioning, then he should able to improve on his hardcourt results which are progressively getting better.

heya
06-07-2004, 05:34 AM
Coria might actually win a final after winning a tiebreak because his injury timeout rattled his opponent. Fantastic winning position. :rolleyes:

lzhaol
06-07-2004, 05:34 AM
yeah overated...
i pick Ferrero over Coria any time
in terms of serve or baseline game
Coria juz pale in comparision....