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it is about time: Let's welcome the grass season!

Neely
06-06-2004, 08:33 PM
are you sick of endless topspin baseline rallies on clay where nothing happens? :o
are you sick of all that mostly defensive play on claycourts? :o
are you sick of all that claycourt tennis? :o


are you waiting for the grass season where a good serve and volley means something? :D
are you enjoying offensive tennis? :D
could you almost pute when you see red clay? :o


if you find yourself answering some of these questions with "yes", then let's welcome the GRASS SEASON

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the most exciting part of the tennis season for me is starting tomorrow :yeah: :bounce: :woohoo:

can't wait for Wimbledon to start, IMO the best and most traditional Grand Slam of all! :D

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 09:23 PM
I sense you are either going to get few or else irate responses to this thread Neely, so while I can't agree with the "pute" (?) aspect of your post I wholeheartedly agree that it's great to be back on grass! The bagels will soon disappear, to be replaced by 6-7 7-6 7-6 scorelines between Rosset and Dick Norman which make you wonder why they don't just play the tiebreaks... but I still enjoy it. It would help if Henman could win Queens this time as opposed to one of the Terrible Trio (Hewitt, Agassi, Roddick - how much more pleasant would tennis be if none of them had ever found major success).

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-06-2004, 09:25 PM
Happy Grass Season!!!!!!!!!!

sebgrosfan
06-06-2004, 09:26 PM
I'm not really sick of the clay court season because this year I've only followed RG but yeah,

get out your straw hat, break out the champagne and pick the strawberries...

Make way for the Grass Season :hatoff:

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 09:27 PM
And more Mal predictions :D

LCeh
06-06-2004, 09:30 PM
Finally we can see Roger, Andre, Andy, and lots of other players back in action. Seems like it's been a very long time ago since I last watched them, even though it hasn't been that long ... :scratch:

Chris Seahorse
06-06-2004, 09:33 PM
Great thread, Neely!!!

I do love the clay season but Im always excited when the grass season starts. Especially because for me it means the opportunity to see some live tennis for the first time this year as I couldnt afford to go to Paris this year. I was at today Queens to see some of the qualifing matches today and it really is such a change from clay. Suddenly we get sets lasting only 30 minutes on average (instead of the 40+ minutes sets on clay) and instead of topspin there are all these lovely sliced shots. I am looking forward going back to Queens later in the week and then next week is Rohampton and then the big one. The first week of Wimbledon is always one of my favorite weeks of the year.

The beginning of the grass season always seems to offer more intrigue than any other part of the year. The form over the last couple of months suddenly mean nothing. Argentinean and Spanish players who have been dominating proceeding suddenly start losing early or not turning up at all and guys like Srichaphan, Roddick, Arthurs and Bjorkman to name just a few suddenly become players to be reckoned with again. And there are so many new guys since last year too. How will guys like Mayer, Turnsunov, Andreev and Berdych handle this strangest of all surfaces. Will Karlovic and Moodie be able to repeat or even surpass their breakthrough performances of last year? What new players will emerge during the next month? Surely over the next month one or two players will come out from the woodwork and show the world they belong.

I haven`t a clue what surprises are in store for the next month. But Im looking forward to finding out.

amethyst
06-06-2004, 09:35 PM
are you sick of endless topspin baseline rallies on clay where nothing happens? :o
are you sick of all that mostly defensive play on claycourts? :o
are you sick of all that claycourt tennis? :o


are you waiting for the grass season where a good serve and volley means something? :D
are you enjoying offensive tennis? :D
could you almost pute when you see red clay? :o


if you find yourself answering some of these questions with "yes", then let's welcome the GRASS SEASON

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the most exciting part of the tennis season for me is starting tomorrow :yeah: :bounce: :woohoo:

can't wait for Wimbledon to start, IMO the best and most traditional Grand Slam of all! :D

Are you sick of all the serve followed by return error games where nothing ever happens? :o
Are you bored to wait for the tiebreak? :o
Do you like players coming back from double break down to win the set? :)
Do you enjoy that wonderful red colour of a clay court :)

Then wait with me till the grass season is over :p !!!!!!!!

little duck
06-06-2004, 09:40 PM
Can't wait for the grass season neither. Tennis world-cup is ahead of us!!

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 09:41 PM
Well, the clay season can't be all bad. Gaudio/Coria caused more than 400 people to log on to MTF, the best ever, and three crashes of the system :yeah:

I wonder how the ratings did for NBC :confused:

Lestat
06-06-2004, 09:48 PM
lucklify the grass season its so short... :rolleyes:
I cant wait to see Kitzbuhel and the red courts again :bounce:

-wokkel-
06-06-2004, 09:51 PM
lucklify the grass season its so short... :rolleyes:
I cant wait to see Kitzbuhel and the red courts again :bounce:

idd

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 09:53 PM
I just fear the return of the Rodducks :scared: They've been strangely absent from the board lately...

Lestat
06-06-2004, 09:58 PM
"the rodducks" jeje

where are they? :wavey:

Jorge
06-06-2004, 10:00 PM
I never thought I'd say this... Grass Season you are pretty welcome! :wavey:

Yonge
06-06-2004, 10:01 PM
Finally some GREEN!

Yashirobai
06-06-2004, 10:11 PM
I always like the moment when a new season starts -no matter which one. But definetly grass, to me, would be enough with Wimbledon -and maybe Queen's.

i love paradorn
06-06-2004, 10:28 PM
For people who pick RG as their slam to win, why? You get more prestige for winning Wimbledon.

undomiele
06-06-2004, 10:34 PM
wimbledon prestige is just BS. You have little rules like wearing white only and bowing to the queen and somehow its more prestigious than RG even when theres only 2 major tournaments on grass in the whole year. :rolleyes:

Dirk
06-06-2004, 10:36 PM
Wimbly is the oldest and if it wasn't for its successful RG and the other wouldn't exist. There are 6 grass tournaments per year. Halle is worth just as much as Queens.

PinkFeatherBoa
06-06-2004, 10:40 PM
Much as I love clay season, I love grass season 10 times more and I'm so pleased it has finally arrived.:DI must admit it was strange to be back at Queens on Saturday watching my fave game making its return to my fave surface. I can finally see lots more tennis on the TV {don't have cable at the moment} and much more tennis in person.

Bring on the grass season!:bounce:

Dirk
06-06-2004, 10:41 PM
Plus Halle has more money to offer. :lick:

ys
06-06-2004, 10:47 PM
So glad the clay season is over and no more clay tennis on US TV for 10 next months.

It's grass now and now we will see some skills, finesse, speed, reaction and athleticism as opposite to endless running around. I'd love to finally see a quarterfinal lineup with big name players in it - Federer, Roddick, Ferrero, Hewitt, Safin, Henman, Agassi and one of Scud or Goran. Tennis at its original purest.

But hardcourt season will probably be even better, and hopefully Ferrero is back by then and Safin's wounds heal, so Olympics and USO will be as great as they always are.

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 11:17 PM
Undomiele, the bowing has been eliminated. I've thought about the all-white rule and yes we do miss out on some great Koubek fashion statements, but it provides a nice aesthetic contrast to the green, green grass of home. If anything the shortness of the grass season is what makes it so special and enjoyable for me, but I do think that if Wimbledon is really the most prestigious Slam (and I really don't care about that argument, to me ANY Slam is great to win) then the number of grass tournaments should be bigger, to make it a proper third surface equal to clay and hardcourt. Ha ha, for the next four weeks, eat aces, you grass-haters!

darnyelb
06-06-2004, 11:35 PM
I love grass season, but it always disappoints me how it's so short. I'd give an arm and a leg (preferably Mal Washington's) to see a Masters event on a grass surface.

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-07-2004, 12:16 AM
Aaaaw, "tennis world cup!" I'm likin' the sound of that!

Can't wait for the grass season neither. Tennis world-cup is ahead of us!!

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-07-2004, 12:18 AM
Hear hear!!

It's just so pleasant!

Undomiele, the bowing has been eliminated. I've thought about the all-white rule and yes we do miss out on some great Koubek fashion statements, but it provides a nice aesthetic contrast to the green, green grass of home. If anything the shortness of the grass season is what makes it so special and enjoyable for me, but I do think that if Wimbledon is really the most prestigious Slam (and I really don't care about that argument, to me ANY Slam is great to win) then the number of grass tournaments should be bigger, to make it a proper third surface equal to clay and hardcourt. Ha ha, for the next four weeks, eat aces, you grass-haters!

star
06-07-2004, 12:29 AM
I agree with loving the clay season, but yet at the end of the clay season, it's refreshing to see the lush green grass courts and the white tennis clothes. After the raucous chaos of Roland Garros, the whistles, the jeers, the madness, we have the proper sedateness of Wimbledon where it doesn't matter what match is going on, tea must be served, where whistles are replaced by a chorus of simultaneous indrawn breaths and restrained applause.

The swashbucklng clay warriors are replaced by hard serves and sliding slices. Baking sunny days are replaced by cloudy skies and misty rains. Scalpers and touters replaced by queues. l'equipe by trashy tabloids. :D

I love all of the tennis seasons.

Except for the smelly indoor season. :)

Tennis Fool
06-07-2004, 12:31 AM
Mrs. G: Since when did you start liking Safin :confused: I thought you'd dumped Guga for Gonzo?

Leo
06-07-2004, 01:03 AM
Sorry, but ace/service winner/3-shot rally/ace games don't exactly enthrall me.

I didn't get to fully enjoy the clay court season this year, due to the lack of coverage of pre-RG events and due to the relatively poor play over these past two weeks. If only we could erase the grass season and play some more clay events. :sad:

Dr. Laborious
06-07-2004, 01:05 AM
Yes, I can't wait to see who's got the best serve this year.

Sjengster
06-07-2004, 01:12 AM
Sorry, but ace/service winner/3-shot rally/ace games don't exactly enthrall me.

I didn't get to fully enjoy the clay court season this year, due to the lack of coverage of pre-RG events and due to the relatively poor play over these past two weeks. If only we could erase the grass season and play some more clay events. :sad:

What a laugh, let's erase a five-week season in favour of extending a two-month one. If anything they should get rid of some hardcourt tournaments and as I said above make grass the third surface on a level pegging with hard and clay, that would convince more Spanish-speaking players that it was actually worthwhile to spend some time preparing for grass. It always mystifies me how some people can love one of the two surfaces and constantly scorn the other, isn't it possible to enjoy and appreciate both? I know I do.

Leo
06-07-2004, 01:16 AM
What a laugh, let's erase a five-week season in favour of extending a two-month one.

Yup, just for me. :D

It always mystifies me how some people can love one of the two surfaces and constantly scorn the other, isn't it possible to enjoy and appreciate both? I know I do.

Well then it is possible.

Sjengster
06-07-2004, 01:21 AM
Ah, but not just for you Leo, for the many like you who can't wait for Kitzbuhel to start already (see first page). Wertheim made a good point last year when he said that the less surface specialisation there was on the ATP, the better; it's good for fans in one way because we see different players doing well at different times, but on the other hand it would be good to see talented players applying themselves on all the surfaces. I've always thought that if you give equal priority to different surfaces, it forces players to produce more all-court games where they aren't just baseliners/big servers, but a nice combination of both, which would definitely be good for the sport.

star
06-07-2004, 01:27 AM
The problem is that grass is becoming an anachronism.

There are only a few venues where grass tennis is played. Wimbledon isn't going to move the tournament (excuse me, the championship) back to a later date, and there isn't much sense playing grass tournaments after Wimbledon.

WyveN
06-07-2004, 01:29 AM
It always mystifies me how some people can love one of the two surfaces and constantly scorn the other, isn't it possible to enjoy and appreciate both? I know I do.

Totally agree.
It amazes me when so called "tennis fans" cant appreciate either clay court tennis or grass court tennis. The fact that they are so different just makes each one more special for me.

I for one am looking forward to long strategy filled 30 shot rallys replaced by strong serves, spectacular winners, net play and good shots actually being rewarded rather then the opponent chasing them down.

Yes a match between Arthurs v Karlovic is a nightmare unless your a fan of either player but Santoro v Clement on clay was just as boring for me.

WyveN
06-07-2004, 01:32 AM
The problem is that grass is becoming an anachronism.

There are only a few venues where grass tennis is played. Wimbledon isn't going to move the tournament (excuse me, the championship) back to a later date, and there isn't much sense playing grass tournaments after Wimbledon.

the solution is to decrease the gap between the Australian Open & the clay season and then squeeze a proper mini grass court season before Wimbledon. Extra 2-3 weeks would be enough.

TennisLurker
06-07-2004, 01:33 AM
the difference is that grass is the best surface of karlovik and arthurs, clay is the worst surface of clement and santoro.

Lestat
06-07-2004, 01:35 AM
Ah, but not just for you Leo, for the many like you who can't wait for Kitzbuhel to start already (see first page). Wertheim made a good point last year when he said that the less surface specialisation there was on the ATP, the better; it's good for fans in one way because we see different players doing well at different times, but on the other hand it would be good to see talented players applying themselves on all the surfaces. I've always thought that if you give equal priority to different surfaces, it forces players to produce more all-court games where they aren't just baseliners/big servers, but a nice combination of both, which would definitely be good for the sport.

jaja just was a joke ;)
the grass season i like it too, but I prefer the clay season just that.

btw, I love Kitzbuhel :p

Havok
06-07-2004, 01:39 AM
:woohoo: It's so awesome to have the short grass season after staring at red clay for so long:cool:

WyveN
06-07-2004, 01:40 AM
the difference is that grass is the best surface of karlovik and arthurs, clay is the worst surface of clement and santoro.

someone missed the point complete :rolleyes:

Horna v Chela then

star
06-07-2004, 01:45 AM
the solution is to decrease the gap between the Australian Open & the clay season and then squeeze a proper mini grass court season before Wimbledon. Extra 2-3 weeks would be enough.

That sounds as if you want the clay season in Europe to start earlier. You seem to be proposing to have the red clay season start in March. It's still quite cold in Europe then. Hamburg is already a freezing cold tournament when it is held in May. I think Roland Garros is quite satified with its spot on the calendar because of weather among other things. I don't think it is going to want to move.

But where are the venues for this mini-grass season? Or do you propose to merely string out into different weeks the tournaments already on the calendar?

TennisLurker
06-07-2004, 01:52 AM
I think that the problem is also cultural, people like myself who were not raised watching tennis on grass, I mean, this year ferrero lost to a big server before the australian open, who had a great serving day, I think it was Todd Reidd (spelling?), and ferrero could not do anything during the service games of his opponent.
After losing he said that it was not real tennis.

Last year I was watching Agassi vs Roddick in queens and roddick made something like 12 aces in three service games, I had to turn off the tv, because I thought, like ferrero, this is not tennis.

Or when philippoussis made 40 something aces against agassi, I could not stop thinking, it is unfair!
And I dont like Agassi at all

I know it is tennis, but that is my first reaction, and I cant change it, I mean, they are not winning with forehands or backhands, or even volleys.

But I try to be open minded, and I am more tolerant to grass court tennis than a few years ago.

TennisLurker
06-07-2004, 01:54 AM
I think Horna lost to Galo Blanco, he didnt play chela.

WyveN
06-07-2004, 01:56 AM
That sounds as if you want the clay season in Europe to start earlier. You seem to be proposing to have the red clay season start in March. It's still quite cold in Europe then. Hamburg is already a freezing cold tournament when it is held in May. I think Roland Garros is quite satified with its spot on the calendar because of weather among other things. I don't think it is going to want to move.

But where are the venues for this mini-grass season? Or do you propose to merely string out into different weeks the tournaments already on the calendar?

I don't have a specific plan to make everything work but I can see a lot of sense in a grass season replacing the mini US hardcourt season when the US hardcourts already get their turn later on in the year.

WyveN
06-07-2004, 01:57 AM
I think Horna lost to Galo Blanco, he didnt play chela.

:worship:

Havok
06-07-2004, 02:01 AM
how is hitting aces not tennis:scratch: had Ferrero been hitting all those aces, he wouldn't have mind one bit;)

star
06-07-2004, 02:02 AM
I don't have a specific plan to make everything work but I can see a lot of sense in a grass season replacing the mini US hardcourt season when the US hardcourts already get their turn later on in the year.

Yes, I understand that thinking, but it's not an equal shift. You can't really play on grass that early in Europe, and it's pretty darn cold for clay at that time too. It makes sense to have early year outdoor tennis in Australia and in the U.S. because there is nice warm weather (sort of) there. But I don't see how you can just switch those two months to Europe.

Plus. What you are effectively doing is giving far more tournaments to Europe than to North America. I think you will find that if you do that the distribution of tournaments will be heavily weighted toward Europe.

Already, Europe has the spring clay season, the grass season, the summer clay season, and the autumn indoor season.

WyveN
06-07-2004, 02:03 AM
Last year I was watching Agassi vs Roddick in queens and roddick made something like 12 aces in three service games


What about Agassi return winners? Did you enjoy those? Both a ace and a return winner are one shot winners, so whats the difference?

Some people act as if a ace is a "free point", something totally skilless but then why isnt everyone doing it? You think Nalbandian wouldnt want Roddick's serve?



Or when philippoussis made 40 something aces against agassi, I could not stop thinking, it is unfair!
And I dont like Agassi at all


Yet Mark still lost, and how is it unfair to use your serve as a weapon as opposed to using your backhand as a weapon?

You don't enjoy watching aces, that is fine, we all have a preference but don't make it out to be as if a ace is requires less skill then any other shot

TennisLurker
06-07-2004, 02:08 AM
philippoussis won that match, he made the final.



I dont want to look like a clay court supremacist or something like that anyway, will try to enjoy the next 4 weeks, and I hope you all enjoy the next weeks too.

TennisLurker
06-07-2004, 02:13 AM
And I dont think it requires less skill, just different skills, a great serve or a great return are very important skills.

tangerine_dream
06-07-2004, 02:15 AM
Yeeeha, Roger Season has started! :banana:

And then the Duck Domination Season starts soon after. :devil:

Everybody celebrate! No more annoying, boring "clay-specialists" for another year! ;) :aparty:

YoursTruly
06-07-2004, 02:15 AM
It's a shame because the grass court season is too short! It's quite funny because isn't grass court better for the body more than the hard surfaces? And isn't tennis tradition known to be grass courts like Wimbledon? LOL :D

Smankyou
06-07-2004, 02:20 AM
I for one am sad to see the clay court season go, but will be happy to get some half decent tennis coverage.

I think that the problem is also cultural, people like myself who were not raised watching tennis on grass, I mean, this year ferrero lost to a big server before the australian open, who had a great serving day, I think it was Todd Reidd (spelling?), and ferrero could not do anything during the service games of his opponent.
After losing he said that it was not real tennis.


It was Chris Guccione. A big red headed kid. Hard to miss.

It's funny how people don't seem to think that an ace isn't a point worthy of obtaining and that it's not "real tennis". It is no different to having an effective top spin. But I see how it can bore people to bits. Especially if you're used to watching long rallies.

But i do believe it is a cultural thing. I grew up watching hard courts and playing on grass so, when I was younger I couldn't stand watching clay tournaments. You learn to love and appreciate. And now Roland Garros is number one on my Grand Slam list.

star
06-07-2004, 03:00 AM
I am now officially ready for the grass court season!!

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Chloe le Bopper
06-07-2004, 03:48 AM
I'm sincerely going to miss, you know, RALLIES and what not. But tennis is tennis, even if it's on the worst possible surface, so I will deal.

Chloe le Bopper
06-07-2004, 03:50 AM
There is nothing wrong with having a big serve and being able to win points most of the time by hitting the ball no more than twice. Those players certainly aren't necessarily less skilled, they just have different skills. That doesn't mean i want to watch it, though :)

ys
06-07-2004, 03:54 AM
I think that the problem is also cultural, people like myself who were not raised watching tennis on grass, I mean, this year ferrero lost to a big server before the australian open, who had a great serving day, I think it was Todd Reidd (spelling?), and ferrero could not do anything during the service games of his opponent.
After losing he said that it was not real tennis.

Last year I was watching Agassi vs Roddick in queens and roddick made something like 12 aces in three service games, I had to turn off the tv, because I thought, like ferrero, this is not tennis.

Or when philippoussis made 40 something aces against agassi, I could not stop thinking, it is unfair!
And I dont like Agassi at all

I know it is tennis, but that is my first reaction, and I cant change it, I mean, they are not winning with forehands or backhands, or even volleys.

But I try to be open minded, and I am more tolerant to grass court tennis than a few years ago.

Try to look at it from another prospective. Whatever tennis ignoramuses say about grass tennis and big serves, it is not todd reids, philippoussises or Roddicks who win Wimbledon. Not yet at least. And if a 100% finesse players like Henman or Rarfter can be successfull on grass, if Federer whose serve is by no means unreturnable or if Hewitt can be successful on grass, than it is all just excuses.

Tricky_Forehand
06-07-2004, 04:08 AM
I'm sincerely going to miss, you know, RALLIES and what not. But tennis is tennis, even if it's on the worst possible surface, so I will deal.

Simple and to the point ;) .

At least i'm not the only one who is not too crazy about the grass season. Personally, I'm glad that it only lasts 5 weeks. It doesn't matter to me if Tennis was invented on Grass :rolleyes: .

I like to see a point decided on more than just 2 or 3 balls. Most of the time the matches on grass are just too damn quick. I like long matches and long rallies. I don't get what's so exciting about seeing ace after ace and a point not being played out. Then again, if someone's favorite player doesn't have much game on clay then I guess it makes perfect sense :D .

I'll be all smiles when the season returns to clay and hard courts :D :D

There is a possibility of having TV coverage here in the States of the weekend from Queen's & Nottingham. I'm hoping anyway because there was last year. Tennis is Tennis and I'll watch even when it's my least favorite surface.

i love paradorn
06-07-2004, 04:19 AM
Did anybody think that the RG was hard to watch physically? The red stuff really made it bright for me to see the ball sometimes. It's definitely more relaxing to watch the grass than the clay. Blue courts are the most eye-friendly.

ys
06-07-2004, 04:22 AM
Did anybody think that the RG was hard to watch physically? The red stuff really made it bright for me to see the ball sometimes. It's definitely more relaxing to watch the grass than the clay. Blue courts are the most eye-friendly.

I would imagine that watching it on high resolution would be easiler.
I like green courts of US Open most.

alfonsojose
06-07-2004, 04:51 AM
Yes. Welcome grass season. Clay season was good (Coria lost RG ;) )

WyveN
06-07-2004, 04:58 AM
And I dont think it requires less skill, just different skills, a great serve or a great return are very important skills.

fair enough but why did you say it is unfair when Mark P serves 40 aces

WyveN
06-07-2004, 05:05 AM
I like to see a point decided on more than just 2 or 3 balls. Most of the time the matches on grass are just too damn quick. I like long matches and long rallies. I don't get what's so exciting about seeing ace after ace and a point not being played out. Then again, if someone's favorite player doesn't have much game on clay then I guess it makes perfect sense :D .


I like to see winners and exciting tennis, spectacular shots being rewarded rather then being neutralised by the clay court, large variety of strokes and fast paced tennis.
I don't get what is so exciting watching the same 50 stroke rally over and over again that is more often then not decided by a unforced errors.
And the majority of the players I like are better on clay then on grass.

Having said that I appreciate clay court tennis but in my opinion tennis on grass is a far better spectacle.

Action Jackson
06-07-2004, 05:10 AM
Ah ! good the European football championships are on and I can avoid watching the grasscourt season woohoo.

Seriously, it's just a different form of the game and requires different skills and as has been mentioned cultural bias does come into it to a degree whether people like watching it or not.

Well tennis does need a diversity of surfaces and there isn't a greater contrast between clay and grass, and that's another underrated skill having quickly to adjust from one to the other.

CooCooCachoo
06-07-2004, 05:59 AM
Yes. Welcome grass season. Clay season was good (Coria lost RG )

WOOOOOOO GRASS! I have looked forward to this for so long :) Bring it on! Queen's, Halle, Rosmalen, Wimbledon! :) (Nottingham too, but I don't get coverage of that).

And yeah Fonzo, it's great that Coría lost. Made up for the poor clay season (together with Tommy's title).

trixy
06-07-2004, 06:04 AM
Grass season is here :o Oh well I have exams.

Actually the clay season was not to great for me this ye so maybe the grass season will hold some suprises :)

*Ljubica*
06-07-2004, 07:43 AM
Are you sick of all the serve followed by return error games where nothing ever happens? :o
Are you bored to wait for the tiebreak? :o
Do you like players coming back from double break down to win the set? :)
Do you enjoy that wonderful red colour of a clay court :)

Then wait with me till the grass season is over :p !!!!!!!!

Couldn't agree more! I am English, brought up on grass court tennis, and live a couple of miles from Wimbledon - and I absolutely loathe it :devil: In fact with David's injury almost certainly putting him out of Wimbledon this year - I won't even bother to walk down the road to go!


And as for the "return of the Rodducks" - :eek: :eek: :eek:

Sjengster
06-07-2004, 11:06 PM
Interesting comments about the cultural difference, all I can say is I grew up watching Wimbledon, it was the only tennis I saw for around seven years, and yet the first time I saw clay tennis I liked it immediately and found it neither strange nor tedious. It's good to see players win points with a mixture of service winners and rallies, and considering how baseline-orientated the game is today you can see that far more on grass than on clay. Yes, after watching Coria and Gaudio battle it out for 3 and a half hours yesterday I watched Karlovic slam down 32 aces against Gambill today and win the match on one fortunate forehand return in the final-set tiebreak, but not everyone serves as big as him. We saw one serve-volleyer in the final stages of RG; we are going to see PLENTY of baseliners making the second week of Wimbledon, or did Agassi and Hewitt win those Wimbledon titles by chance?

RogiFan88
06-08-2004, 03:03 AM
Yay, the green season is here! Just too bad there isn't at least a week off for the players betw the red and the green... it's absurd...

Anyway, bring on Wimby!!

[along w the clay, I love the grass]

Neely
06-08-2004, 10:13 AM
wow, I see quite a lot responeses and interesting comments in this thread

thanks to Sjengster to break the ice with his first response! :clap2:

of course, I agree with all these people who say that grass court tennis is less interesting because the points are shorter and it is more dominated by serve and not so much by overall skills like on clay.
I can understand that if you say this.

but I also like to see some players doing well on grass who normally can't win (much) on clay and there are also a lot of memorable grass court matches with good quality and excitment, not only on clay.

Just because the points on clay are longer doesn't mean it is automatically more fun watching a match on clay than on grass. For me, there have been also many bad clay matches with a match time over 4 hours and a long exchange where nobody tries to take some risk for winning the point doesn't make it necessarily interesting to me.

So, despite some bad matches yesterday, I will continue looking forward to see a "typical" scoreline on clay like 6-4 3-6 6-2 being replaced by 7-6(10) 6-7(5) 7-6(8) on grass. :D

:clap2:

Neely
06-08-2004, 10:19 AM
Couldn't agree more! I am English, brought up on grass court tennis, and live a couple of miles from Wimbledon - and I absolutely loathe it :devil: In fact with David's injury almost certainly putting him out of Wimbledon this year - I won't even bother to walk down the road to go!
Rosie, you betrayer!!! :banghead: :o

:p :rolls: :lol:

Deboogle!.
06-09-2004, 09:10 PM
:woohoo: Grass season! Bring on the serve-volleying :hearts:

Other reasons to love grass season:
~most of my faves don't suck as much on it, by and large :lol: :rolls: :bolt:
~grass is pretty too :)
~matches are faster so ESPN has to show more of them :devil:
~Breakfast at Wimbledon :inlove:
~it signals the local strawberries are ready to pick :drool: :lick:
~Serena can't wear some horribly ugly hot pink "outfit" :scared:

oh there must be many more but I'm drawing a blank now :)

Chloe le Bopper
06-09-2004, 09:43 PM
fair enough but why did you say it is unfair when Mark P serves 40 aces
It's unfair to those of us who tuned in to watch tennis, not a serving contest :devil:

Chloe le Bopper
06-09-2004, 09:47 PM
how is hitting aces not tennis:scratch: had Ferrero been hitting all those aces, he wouldn't have mind one bit;)
It's *part* of tennis. It's not all there is. And when all there is in a match is ace, service winner, big first serve followed up by a forehand winner... I get bored. Fast. At least it's something to study to :)

Chloe le Bopper
06-09-2004, 09:50 PM
There wouldn't be such a negative reaction to Wimbledon, I don't think, if it wasn't for all the dinosaurs (and their offspring) who try to ram down our throats that it's the 'greatest tournament in the world!" *vomit* every year. If I could actually believe this when watching it, I might not feel the need to pick it apart. I never feel the need to pick the other slams apart, for that very reason :)

WyveN
06-09-2004, 11:29 PM
And when all there is in a match is ace, service winner, big first serve followed up by a forehand winner... I get bored. Fast.

so? I get bored by a lot of clay court matches where you have two warriors trying to outlast eachother with moon balls down the middle of the court point after point after point

WyveN
06-09-2004, 11:34 PM
There wouldn't be such a negative reaction to Wimbledon, I don't think, if it wasn't for all the dinosaurs (and their offspring) who try to ram down our throats that it's the 'greatest tournament in the world!"


Negative reaction? In Australia almost as many people watch Wimbledon as the AO which is pretty amazing considering the time slots.


If I could actually believe this when watching it, I might not feel the need to pick it apart.

You not believing it does not change anything.