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Is Mary right? Is Gaudio 2nd tier Argentine who probably is One Hit Wonder (my words)

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 08:34 PM
Sorry for all the threads...I have a lot on my mind ;)

Mary was definitely pro-Coria while JMac was behind Gaudio. Mary said (and also said Gaudio agreed at one point) that Coria is in another class. She said he is (well today) only #44 while Coria is #3, and that this will probably be Gaudio's only Slam while Coria, as Gaudio whispered to him, will be back here to contend next year.

For those who know Coria and Gaudio's game and history better than I, are they really in to different strata? Was this a really big upset with regard to talent as opposed to ranking?

alfonsojose
06-06-2004, 08:54 PM
Gaudio has great victories in other surfaces. This win should be good for his confidence ;)

Shy
06-06-2004, 08:57 PM
I disagree.I don't think that Coria is in another class from Gaudio.Sure,Coria might be a little more talented.I think that Gaudio has a lots of talents, but his brain is another thing.

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 10:35 PM
It didn't help that Gaudio hardly produced a great performance today, he was horrible in the first two sets, good in the third, didn't need to do anything in the fourth and then almost handed the match to an injured opponent in the final set by making stupid mistakes. Still, I think this is just a commentator being disgruntled at the fact that the favourite was upset, in the same way people were annoyed at Costa rocking the Ferrero boat in 2002. Gaudio certainly has the talent to be a top player, there was ample evidence of it during his matches with Hewitt and Nalbandian, and he said in his interview that from now on he'll hopefully believe in himself more, so the big results may well continue. I doubt he'll ever display the amazing consistency of a Coria since he will never have the same steely mentality, but I think more good results on clay and even on hardcourts are possible. He needs to take the opportunity afforded to him by his Top 10 ranking to go deeper in North American events this year.

Steve-o
06-06-2004, 10:39 PM
When Gaudio lost to Hewitt in Monte Carlo, I was convinced he was headed towards the "Lost Generation" of talent, but he has proved me wrong.

Still though, to become a threat on another surface he will have to improve his service, especially in mixing it up, not just kick serve all the time. If he can do that and improve volleys and overhead I think he will be fine.

His forehand in the Nalbandian match was the best I've ever seen him hit it.

Congratulations to Gaston.

fco253
06-06-2004, 10:41 PM
I agree a lot with Sjengster... let's see what he does this summer...but until he proves otherwise, consider him a TOP 10 on clay and TOP 30 overall, no more than that...

Surely, he always has had talent for more, but his mind and his serve have not been not up to that till now...let's see.

Pea
06-06-2004, 10:44 PM
I didn't get the impression that Mary was pro-coria.

Well, I think Mary put it best. "Who knows if Gaudio will win more slams or not. I'm just glad he won today." Or something to that extent.

Congrats Gaudio!:woohoo:

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 10:46 PM
What did Gaudio do this time over Hewitt that he failed to do at Monte Carlo? Had Coria not had cramps, and Gaudio still was positive after the wave, do you think Gaudio would still have had a chance?

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 10:49 PM
Pea, I felt she was pro-Coria. Especially after the first two sets, she was saying he was "out of his league". McEnroe, on the other hand, still tried to talk some belief, "it ain't over till its over."

I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, Coria's cramps came at the end of the 3rd or at the beginning of the 4th? Meaning, was he troubled in the 3rd and that's how he lost the set, more than Gaudio keeping serve?

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 10:59 PM
What Gaudio managed to do this time against Hewitt was not choke, he was outplaying him in Monte Carlo exactly as he did here at RG (more so, he won the first set 6-1 there and led 3-0 and 5-3 in the second set), but got tight and threw the match away with poor serving, bizarre errors and a total lack of effort in the final set. When he holds his nerve he should always beat Hewitt on clay, he has more power, more variety and better movement.

Coria said he started to feel the cramps in the third set, but by that stage Gaudio had improved his game markedly. I do think even without the cramping Gaudio could have gotten back into it, he was playing completely the wrong strategy early on by trying to finish points too quickly and giving Coria errors instead of extending him in longer rallies. All of Coria's victories over Gaudio have been three-setters whereas Gaudio's one win was in straight sets, that should tell you something. He just never really played to the best of his ability today, which is a bit disappointing - he didn't have to ultimately, even in the final set he just had to keep the ball in play (although he made a real hash of that until he was 6-5 and matchpoint down, when he finally prolonged the points and forced Coria into overpressing).

Yonge
06-06-2004, 11:06 PM
And if he becomes a One-Slam Wonder, so what? I think it's very lucky of him to have won a slam, unlike most players who retire with no slams at all - not even in doubles or mixed.

Shy
06-06-2004, 11:07 PM
And if he becomes a One-Slam Wonder, so what? I think it's very lucky of him to have won a slam, unlike most players who retire with no slams at all - not even in doubles or mixed.
True,I bet that Rio would give anything to become a One-slam-wonder.

Horatio Caine
06-06-2004, 11:15 PM
I agree a lot with Sjengster... let's see what he does this summer...but until he proves otherwise, consider him a TOP 10 on clay and TOP 30 overall, no more than that...

Surely, he always has had talent for more, but his mind and his serve have not been not up to that till now...let's see.


Sadly, rankings wise, I see Gaudio as finishing in the top 8 this year and doing a Schuettler the next year - i.e. falling back down to where he used to be - top 40.

TennisLurker
06-06-2004, 11:20 PM
gaudio is usually ranked around 20/25, the ranking of 44 he had when roland garros started was his worst ranking in 4 years, he barely won matches this year till barcelona (where he made the final) and now roland garros.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:23 PM
Yonge, Scheuttler is still top 10 :lol:

undomiele
06-06-2004, 11:23 PM
I see Gaudio doing really well on clay but not on other courts.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:24 PM
TL: I don't see Coria on your sig list :confused:

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:25 PM
Okay, maybe this is better. How would you list the active Argentines in terms of talent :)

TennisLurker
06-06-2004, 11:29 PM
TL: I don't see Coria on your sig list :confused:

well, I am not a fan of him, why should he be in my signature?

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:31 PM
Okay, thanks for the clarification :)

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 11:33 PM
TF, you don't know much about Lurker's preferences - Coria is Evil C. Just like Zabaleta, Calleri et al are not in his signature. I must say, I'd love to have the freedom to choose between players from my country like that, but I don't have much alternative at the moment.

In terms of talent level, I'd rank the top three where they are right now, Coria and Nalbandian 1 and 2 with Gaudio the third best, but further down the rankings I'd probably say Zabaleta, Calleri and Chela in that order.

Lurker, is it time to put Gaudio back in your avatar now?

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 11:36 PM
Oh, and Canas - somehow I always forget him, Lord knows I shouldn't after that AO match this year. He's not the most talented guy out there, a bit like Chela in that he enjoys muscling forehands, but in his career he's probably been the second best Argentine mentally behind Coria.

Havok
06-06-2004, 11:43 PM
Carillo said that Gaudio said Coria is in a totally different class than he is. She was quoting Gaudio

TennisLurker
06-06-2004, 11:50 PM
since I have bruguera there, gaston has been very successful, I think Bruguera will stay

ys
06-06-2004, 11:52 PM
Carillo said that Gaudio said Coria is in a totally different class than he is. She was quoting Gaudio

As if there was a slightest doubt about it.

Sjengster
06-06-2004, 11:56 PM
Naldo, Gaudio may have said that, but he also said that Coria and Nalbandian were the Real Madrid to his Valencia, knowing full well that the latter won the league title this year... he admitted that in his interview today, he knows he's not that far behind them. I do think he realises he isn't going to be as consistently good as them in the big tournaments.

A good point Lurker, with Schalken's recent results maybe it's about time I put a figure from the past into my avatar... on second thought, I'll wait to see how he does on grass first.

Havok
06-06-2004, 11:57 PM
Well when I heard Carillo talking about Coria being in another level than Gaudio, she WAS speaking for Gaston and she clearly stated that. Maybe she also said it herself and believed it, but I didn't hear that.

tommy_girl
06-06-2004, 11:58 PM
And if he becomes a One-Slam Wonder, so what? I think it's very lucky of him to have won a slam, unlike most players who retire with no slams at all - not even in doubles or mixed.


i absolutely agree. a grandslam is still a grandslam.. its like fulfilling a dream. and i know that every tennis player's goal is to win a slam...

Pea
06-06-2004, 11:59 PM
In terms of talent, I'd put Agustin right up there.

And I agree with naldo, I thought Mary was quoting Gaston.

Havok
06-06-2004, 11:59 PM
I didn't hear his speech, but I got the whole match on tape. I'll rewatch it tonight and pay a little closer attention;)

Fedex
06-07-2004, 12:59 AM
TF, you don't know much about Lurker's preferences - Coria is Evil C. Just like Zabaleta, Calleri et al are not in his signature. I must say, I'd love to have the freedom to choose between players from my country like that, but I don't have much alternative at the moment.

In terms of talent level, I'd rank the top three where they are right now, Coria and Nalbandian 1 and 2 with Gaudio the third best, but further down the rankings I'd probably say Zabaleta, Calleri and Chela in that order.

Lurker, is it time to put Gaudio back in your avatar now?
Well, in terms of talent/ball striking abilities Nalbandian would be first, followed by Gaudio, and Coria. Coria is better than Nalbandian on clay, but Nalbandian is much better on the other surfaces.

YoursTruly
06-07-2004, 01:11 AM
It could be true, who knows? But nowadays since the competition is just too fierce and there's no room at the top, I think I'd take the one slam and run, but of course, trying to win more! However because of how harder it is now, if I were to not win another one, I'd be just so thankful and relieved that I have and own that one slam!

Leo
06-07-2004, 02:11 AM
Sorry for all the threads...I have a lot on my mind ;)

Mary was definitely pro-Coria while JMac was behind Gaudio. Mary said (and also said Gaudio agreed at one point) that Coria is in another class. She said he is (well today) only #44 while Coria is #3, and that this will probably be Gaudio's only Slam while Coria, as Gaudio whispered to him, will be back here to contend next year.

For those who know Coria and Gaudio's game and history better than I, are they really in to different strata? Was this a really big upset with regard to talent as opposed to ranking?

You think so? I thought Mary was definitely behind Gaudio. She seems to really love his style of play, his personality, his emotions; meanwhile, she was very suspicious of Coria when he had that injury timeout. She questioned the legitimacy of his cramps when he started moving better in the 5th set. She might have said that overall Coria is the better player, but that's something JMac and everyone on this board would agree with.

Anyway, Mary is probably right that he won't win another Slam, but you never know. He is very capable on both clay and hard, and this win should give him the confidence he needs to start winning more big matches at the important events.

Action Jackson
06-07-2004, 05:57 AM
TF, talking shit as usual. :)

The fact that Gaudio has 1 more Slam than Carillo and that can't be taken away from him,whether or not he wins another one.

Tennis Fool
06-07-2004, 06:05 AM
Carillo has a Slam. Get your facts straight :)

Action Jackson
06-07-2004, 06:12 AM
Carillo has a Slam. Get your facts straight :)

Technically a doubles Slam is a Slam and you are correct there, so where are Carillo's singles Slam titles? Or doesn't 1 Slam wonder refer to Doubles wins as well.

WyveN
06-07-2004, 06:17 AM
Gaudio may be a 1 slam wonder but on the other hand he may not.
I don't think Gaudio cares, he won the French Open!

Action Jackson
06-07-2004, 06:19 AM
One Slam wonder well Gaudio has his name on the trophy with players like Borg, Vilas, Lendl, Wilander, Muster, Guga, Laver, Bruguera and I don't think Gaston cares that if he only wins it once, as his name is on that great list.

lzhaol
06-07-2004, 06:32 AM
Gaudio din play well at all yesterday
lots of poor shot selection at crucial points...
but he still can improve... n be a contender in slams...
he has the talent...juz abit uptight
n his backhand canget atrocious at crucial moments..

Coria is abit overated imo
when ferrero comes back next year
he will be in charge
Coria has lost his best chance on the FO title....