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More ammunition for Wertheim and the 3-set advocates?

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 07:24 PM
Ha! I bet you Jon will discuss how too many sets caused Coria the match. In a way, I wonder too if all the matches up to, say, the semis were best of three, would Coria have had the cramping problems he had today?

YoursTruly
06-06-2004, 07:26 PM
I wrote him months ago telling him that I've been all for best-of-three set matches. They should try it out.

Shy
06-06-2004, 07:29 PM
No,I am gald that it is a five sets. It was a nice match.I am also glad that it gave Gaudi a chance to shake off his nerve. Well,Coria did not not play much tennis before reaching the semi.Most of his win was easier than Gaudio.So,I don't think that the best of three sets would change a thing. Coria was not fit enough that is all. This is what cause him the match since Gaudio was more fit.Fitness plays a very big part in tennis.

jtipson
06-06-2004, 07:33 PM
Coria's cramping in the final is no argument to make Grand Slams best-of-3.
It's not like he played a series of 5 set matches before the final.

How many sets did he drop? One.

Shy
06-06-2004, 07:35 PM
By the way, if it was a three sets,it would be as boring as the women final, and the match would have barely last an hour something.I don't think that would help tennis that much.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 07:39 PM
Jtipson: Yes, but say he won all of those matches in 2 sets than 3. The time saved, say 30 minutes per set up through the quarters=150 minutes. Coria's body could have used 150 minutes (about 2.5 hours) less time on court through the semis and finals.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 07:40 PM
Shy, I think the proposal is 3 sets up through the quarters. 5 sets through the semis and final.

jtipson
06-06-2004, 07:43 PM
He would have had less time on court if he'd only played two sets a round, sure. But would it really have made a difference today since his cramps may have been related to anxiety?

Also is any other ATP player having similar problems as a result of playing too much in a Grand Slam? I don't see Federer, Safin or Gaudio having these issues. Safin and Gaudio certainly played a lot more in the AO and RG respectively, than Coria.

Certainly most players are playing too much in general - that's a scheduling problem. You can't blame it on the Grand Slams - they happen only 4 times a year, and players have a day off between each match, which is more than they have at regular tournaments. I don't see any good reason for changing to 3 sets, and I see a lot of good reasons for sticking with 5.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 07:46 PM
Jtip: You think the cramps were from anxiety :confused:

WF4EVER
06-06-2004, 07:47 PM
maybe if it was three sets Coria would have lost to Henman in the semis. Did you think about that?

Five sets are better, IMO. Coria was running thru Gaudio in the first two because he was fresher and Gaudio was more nervous. Coria seemed to be tiring near the end of the second. Gaudio shouldn't have given his serve away at 3-5; he might have been able to push him some more and win the set. Anyway he won and that's the most important thing.

jtipson
06-06-2004, 07:48 PM
Jtip: You think the cramps were from anxiety :confused:

Something I read....can't remember where...but even if you disregard that point, the rest still stands.

Shy
06-06-2004, 07:48 PM
Jtip: You think the cramps were from anxiety :confused:
Maybe. It is very common to have cramps when you are nervous.I have cramps often from stress. It is one of the symptom of anxiety along with feeling tight.

jtipson
06-06-2004, 07:51 PM
He started to get tight in the third set, and this was when he began to feel the cramps. It was this from Coria's interview that made me think it could have been due to anxiety:

GUILLERMO CORIA: I believe the thing you have to do is not to think about your cramps. Until now I was managing the anxiety correctly. I slept almost 11 hours. I was drinking a lot of liquids. I also started to run a little bit to avoid this kind of thing happening.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 10:15 PM
Bump for Sjengster :)

WyveN
06-07-2004, 01:01 AM
if Coria isn't fit enough to avoid cramping in a best of 5 set match then it is his problem.
Without 5 sets in this tournament:

Henman would have lost in 1st round
The final would have been a boring forgetful encounter
Kuerten would have lost in 1st round
Gaudio would have lost in 1st round
Safin would have lost in 3rd round

The whole tournament would be completely different, far less exciting and without all the drama that the 5 set matches bring, take a look at Safin-Mantilla for example

Leo
06-07-2004, 01:07 AM
Jtip: You think the cramps were from anxiety :confused:

Absolutely. He admitted that nerves caused the cramps himself. Almost all of his matches leading into the final were short straight-set affairs, with just one exception, so if his cramps today were due to physical exhaustion, then that would be pretty pathetic. You don't get to be #3 in the world with poor physical fitness.

CarnivalCarnage
06-07-2004, 02:54 AM
People talk about one-sided women's finals. Much of it has to do with the fact that they play 3 sets. Dementieva won 3 games in 2 sets against Myskina. Gaudio the same against Coria today. Everybody points to Graf-Zvereva debacle. Two years ago, Ferrero would've taken one game against Costa.

But all this just says to me that all the finals should be five sets, including the women's.

CarnivalCarnage
06-07-2004, 02:55 AM
You don't get to be #3 in the world with poor physical fitness.

If only that were true.

Action Jackson
06-07-2004, 03:23 AM
This tournament had plenty of drama and of course TF, being Worthless's son has nothing to do with your crusade for 3 set Slams, it cheapens the event, and just like before none of your arguments have made much sense.

Jtpison, Carnival and Wyver well said.

Tennis Fool
06-07-2004, 05:08 AM
GWHitler: Touche tonight. Been drinking?

Action Jackson
06-07-2004, 05:29 AM
GWHitler: Touche tonight. Been drinking?

Tf, I like you man, you make me laugh and that's good and at least you get people discussing some issues.

It seems that if it's not Safin, Federer or Coria then the other players are not worth worrying about, and I am still awaiting for your convincing arguments. No casual fans, your short attention span do not conclude to a logical or convincing counterargument.

No, drinks tonight, maybe later. :)