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Gaston to Bud: Coria was playing gamesmanship

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 06:24 PM
When asked if Coria was playing gamesmanship, Gaston said "Yeah. He was cramping in the 4th set and now he's fine?" He gives a "yeah, right" look and shrugs.

I don't know. Why would Coria need to do that 2 sets and a break up? He was steamrolling until the "Wave" and the match entered went from boring to the Twilight Zone. Was he scared Gaston was making a comeback? Did he just want crowd support?

Maybe Coria just doesn't take in enough water. He had kidney stones in Miami, here he may have just started to cramp :shrug: He didn't look in pain, though.

What do you make of Coria today? Was he injured? Did his gamesmanship come to bite him in the ass? Did he just choke from overconfidence?

Shy
06-06-2004, 06:28 PM
He didn't exactly said that Coria was playing gamesmanship.He just said that Coria was cramping and then he was ok.

Dirk
06-06-2004, 06:29 PM
These guys don't like to give away points let alone sets. Coria didn't cheat, he just has some serious health issues. It will likely shorten and ruin what otherwise would be a brilliant career.

lsy
06-06-2004, 06:55 PM
This will probably be the hottest topic in MTF for the next 2 days.

I can understand during the match everybody is all worked out but the match is over, I somewhat wish coria supporters will stop saying Gaudio won coz he got lucky and Coria "haters" will on the other hand stop speculating over Coria's gamemanship by now.

Fact is it was a highly entertaining match and both players contributed to that.

But of course this is just a wishful thought :)

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 06:57 PM
Shy: Bud asked Gaudio if Coria was guilty of gamesmanship and the above post was his reply.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 06:58 PM
Isy: Only the 5th set was entertaining and it didn't turn out the way it was supposed :sad:

The rest of the match was just strange.

SaFed2005
06-06-2004, 07:00 PM
Isy: Only the 5th set was entertaining and it didn't turn out the way it was supposed :sad:

The rest of the match was just strange.

I would say that the third set was the best :worship:

lsy
06-06-2004, 07:02 PM
Isy: Only the 5th set was entertaining and it didn't turn out the way it was supposed :sad:

The rest of the match was just strange.

I will say the 3rd and the 5th are both entertaining. 1st and 2nd was a blow out for Gaudio and 4th was just bizarre.

but hey...strange can mean entertaining too :)

ale
06-06-2004, 07:05 PM
where is that Bud comment?

ale
06-06-2004, 07:06 PM
I mean gaston comment...that seems weird...if that's the case then Gaudio seems to have a real problem...

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 07:08 PM
Bud Collins interviewed Gastion after the match.

ale
06-06-2004, 07:13 PM
well but you have to read Guillermo's interview then...the doc gave him something that was going to take a few mins to take effect...so Guillermo was waiting for it to make effect...check his interview

ale
06-06-2004, 07:14 PM
From what Guillermo said it did made effect after a few the fourth set...

Shy
06-06-2004, 07:16 PM
I believe him, but people are going to question his gamesmanship because of his history.If it was anybody else,people wouldn't been that sceptical.

jmp
06-06-2004, 07:16 PM
I think the word strange aptly describes the overall match with a dash of entertainment and drama thrown in. While I hate to see any player hurt, I feel the same way about this match as I did about the Kim/Venus semi at Wimbledon '03 - Kim should have picked up the pace and finished Venus off. Gaston should have done the same. Coria is an excellent player. I wish him good health and great success in his career. But, Gaston seized the opportunity and won this contest.

ale
06-06-2004, 07:20 PM
Also Gaudio said we have no more problems ... and now he is saying something else...I am starting to dislike this sneeky Gaudio attitude.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 07:27 PM
Ale, I think Gaudio was just saying basically what we all are "That match was strange."

Ten_Isse_Fan
06-06-2004, 07:29 PM
I don't think Gastón completely understood. He didn't say AT ALL that Coria was playing gamesmanship, he just said that he looked ok in the 5th and that he was running like hell ;)

Ten_Isse_Fan
06-06-2004, 07:31 PM
That's funny, because exactly when Gastón answered that question, I told myself : Oh God, some people on the board will misinterpret this. ;) Looks like I was right.

ale
06-06-2004, 07:35 PM
You know I also have certaing feelings in regards to Gaudio gamesmanship...when the guys sent that letter to the AAT the captain of the Davis Cup said that Gaudio was behind...a strange final but I think that Mago's gamesmanship could not be questioned. I will defend that to the end!!

ale
06-06-2004, 07:37 PM
ok ok....anyway....i need a break

WF4EVER
06-06-2004, 08:00 PM
I expected Coria to win as I'm sure most people did. No doubt Coria has been the best clay court player for the past 12 months, and even though I thought Gaudio might have a chance because of this bizarro French Open, I felt Coria deserved it.

I hoped for Gaudio to make the match interesting after seeming lost out there. He was nervous; that was obvious. But after the fourth set I was all for Gaudio.

Why? I'm tired of Coria always having some issues in finals. When he called for the trainer I said "Suprise, Surprise". After the timeout he really seemed to be in pain, unable to jump into his serve, unable to move his feet. WHen I go outside for five minutes, thinking he would withdraw, I come back and he's up 4-1. I was stunned, as I'm sure Gaudio was, too.

Poor Gaston was almost dead tired because he was just doing all he could to stay in the match. I believe it was gamemanship on Coria's part and I'm glad Gaudio won.

Fostin
06-06-2004, 08:02 PM
iF SOME GUY THINKS HE WAS LIEING... OMG :rolleyes: what an asshole!

vene
06-06-2004, 08:03 PM
Strange match. I feel sorry for Coria though- so close, yet so far! Hopefully he can win it one day

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 08:10 PM
Maybe Coria will come back stronger, a la Ferrero after RG2002.

Shy
06-06-2004, 08:29 PM
GASTON GAUDIO: No, I was waiting just to see what happened. I mean, he couldn't play the fourth set. I think that he was injured. Even the fifth set, he couldn't serve.

Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe the same situation like in Hamburg, but then I realized that it wasn't like that.

>

amethyst
06-06-2004, 08:34 PM
Surely Coria wasn´t faking his cramps, but he seems to have some fitness problems if he starts cramping at the beginning of the fourth set after sailing effortless through the first two sets (and through the whole tournament also).

ale
06-06-2004, 08:49 PM
Coria doesnt deserve that "gamesmanship crap" sorry...

jazz_girl
06-06-2004, 08:54 PM
Gaudio was at the press conference talking normally, and all of the sudden he yells and tells that he was cramping. All the journalists were laughing! Thank God he didn't cramp minutes before!!! Imagine that!

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 08:56 PM
Seriously :confused:

I don't think this sounds like the road to friendship :p

Dirk
06-06-2004, 09:05 PM
Yes she is right, I just read it. I don't know how Gaudio could have said that especially since Coria did his right before and Gaudio knew the truth. Not funny. :fiery:

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 09:07 PM
Can someone please post the transcript. Thanks :)

fco253
06-06-2004, 09:08 PM
His personal trainer has said directly to my brother that Coria's physical problems, that almost always consist of muscles that get overworked during games and start to give him cramps, are due to the fact that since his suspension he DOES NOT TAKE ANY SINGLE VITAMINE to recover his body, ass all the other players do....

...he said that this is a big disadvantadge for him, specially considering that he has a small frame and in consecuence, not big muscles to support the effort....

Coria himself has stated in press conferences that he only takes water... he won't be able to handle a full season this way, playing as many matches as a TOP 5 does, so maybe this will be a permanent issue if he doesn't want to take risk with vitamines again (a contamined vitamines complex was what brought him the suspension the first time)

Shy
06-06-2004, 09:09 PM
Q. Do you think this is your win 100 percent, or that his injury helped you a lot or affected him? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, I think that if you play with a guy that he's injured, of course it's gonna help you. But that was in the fourth set. And then in the fifth, he start to run again like the beginning of the match.

So for sure it help me a lot for the fourth set because I was like almost done. And then in the fifth, I start to play again another match. It was like a new match. Because he was running again, and it was tough.

>

Q. How much was difficult to you to manage this situation, that sometimes it's not easy to play. >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, it's complicated to play a guy that you don't know how to play, you don't know the strategy to play a guy like he's maybe running, maybe not. You just thinking to put the ball in, and then he make a forehand winner, you know. So you don't know how to manage that.

But I think I was a little bit lucky at the end when I got two match points down and I came back. And, I don't know, I did it. I don't know how, but I won.

>

Q. In the fourth set some of us were asking in the press box, you did not seem to be using dropshots in the fourth set even though he could barely move out there. Why not? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, is not a big ‑‑ it's not so much important that, you know. It's like I was 6‑1. I won 6‑1 the fourth set. I almost ‑‑ he couldn't run, he couldn't do anything. So I was worried about the fifth and I was thinking about the fifth and not too much in the fourth. I was like just put it in and he was like missing everything, that's why.

>

Q. To follow up on that question. Did you not find yourself struggling with some emotions as a human being rather than just as a competitor on the tennis court that kept you from being a little more ruthless and using dropshots in that fourth set?>

GASTON GAUDIO: I don't know what you mean. I don't understand.

>

Q. Did you find yourself feeling pity and compassion? >

GASTON GAUDIO: No, no, no.

>

Q. Did that affect your play in the fourth set?>

GASTON GAUDIO: No. No, no. No, like I told you before, in the fourth set, I mean, I was just putting the ball in and that's it. I don't care. He was like ‑‑ he couldn't run, but I was thinking about the fifth. That's why.

>

Q. One last question. Is what happened this afternoon, in your opinion, is it an example simply of life just not being very fair sometimes? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Being not fair? Why?

>

Q. Because your opponent suffered an extreme physical injury during the match. >

GASTON GAUDIO: This is a game that we have to run, you have to prepare yourself and you have to do all the stuff to play tennis, you know. And there's mental, physically and tennis. So this is the game. The way that it is.

>

Q. How does a player like you go from last year or the year before struggling a little bit, not having major progress at a Grand Slam, and then coming here in a two‑week period, all of a sudden, you're on top of the world and pull out one of the most remarkable matches we've seen? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, I don't realize now. I just finished my match. I don't know how much is gonna change my life with this. I can't believe it yet, so...

I don't know how many changes I made or what was the main thing that I change. But the only thing that I know is that I won. So I don't have the explanation, now. Maybe in a couple of days I gonna realize what I have done.

>

Q. Your coach was saying you made a lot of technical changes as well as the mental work you were speaking about in the last year. Did you always believe or was there a time this year when you thought, "Yes, I can win a Grand Slam. Yes, I've turned the corner and now I can be a great player"? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, I guess until now I never believe that I can win a Grand Slam. I was like playing today until the last point, and I was like not even thinking that I'm gonna win this tournament.

So I change a lot of things in my mental part, you know, is like I was working a lot. But I don't know if I was prepared to win the Slam like I did.

So I don't know. Maybe from now on, I'm gonna believe in myself more.

>

Q. How important was making the connection with the crowd, sort of third set and where you went from there?>

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, it was real important for me because I was like a little bit too nervous. And after that, I start to relax. I relax a little bit more, trying to enjoy the moment that I was living, being in a final, and it was my first time, and being with a lot of people down there, with the crowd and everything. It's like too much for me.

So after that, I start to relax a little bit more, and trying to enjoy that moment. It was good. It works.

>

Q. And in that final set, a couple of times you burst out laughing. What were you thinking? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, I was laughing because I couldn't believe what was going on over there. It was like a movie, you know. I was watching my coach and I was telling him, "What is this?" I mean, it's like too much.

>

Q. So now that it's happened and you've had a little while to think about it, what does this really mean to you? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Means everything. Everything.

I mean, since I was a kid, I was dreaming to be down here, being here and win this tournament, talking to all these guys here (laughing). It's like a dream, you know.

>

Q. What was the emotional process you were undergoing? Because in the first two sets we thought ‑ at least me ‑ that you were feeling defeated. Then you end laughing. What was the process there? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, I think that it was the moment that the people start to make the waves. From that moment, I think that I start to enjoy it more, the match, and being more relax and trying to play my tennis. Because until that moment, I couldn't play like anything. I was too nervous, and I didn't do anything. I was like making so many mistakes.

So I think that from that moment was the main point.

>

Q. When you were down 6‑love, 5‑1, have you thought like, "Okay, Gaston, well done, final is enough," or you always think that you could recover him and go back? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, it's tough to be in a final 6‑love, 5‑1 down. It was like I was suffering. I was suffering so much. I was telling my coach that I want to leave, I don't want to be here. I prefer to lose in the first round and not to be in here in the final and making this, you know?

Final, like I told the other guy, it's like I was trying to relax myself a little bit more and trying to enjoy the moment. And, finally, I did it.

>

Q. How do you feel by receiving the trophy from the hands of Guillermo Vilas, who is one of your idols? >

GASTON GAUDIO: It was exactly the way that I dreamed. Well, it's great. I mean, like I told all the people there, I was like ‑‑ I think that I'm playing here because of him. So getting that trophy from him, it was like a dream.

>

Q. You referred a little bit to some of the ups and downs of your career. Can you tell us a little bit more about that. And this year, specifically, how it's been going. And also when you started working with the psychologist. >

GASTON GAUDIO: No, I been working with him since quite a while, I mean one year. But this year, I mean, I was playing so bad. I was like in the clay season, I didn't do anything good. I was not playing my best tennis. I reach the final in Barcelona. And from that moment ‑‑ from that moment I think that I start to get in again in my tennis.

I don't know, I played last week in Dusseldorf, and I won a match that maybe makes me feel so good because I was like almost winning that match. I was 6‑3, 5‑2 serving for the match, and then he would recover and come back. I still fighting. So that, from a mental point of view, was like too good.

When I came here, I was playing match by match, you know, step by step, and I don't know...

>

Q. Follow‑up. What has the psychologist been able to help you improve? >

GASTON GAUDIO: He was helping me in the way that I have to enjoy more the things that I am doing, you know. Like trying to ‑‑ not to suffer so much in the court, and trying to ‑‑ happiness, you know, be happy over there, and trying to fight all the time. That's what he was trying to do with me.

>

Q. You said before that you made lots of sacrifices to play tennis. Can you talk a little bit about it, please. >

GASTON GAUDIO: The sacrifice that all the tennis player used to do, but the people doesn't know. We used to travel so much and being by ourself without my family, without my friends. We can't go out and maybe sometimes have the money to travel when you are not getting so much, when you are not winning and you're not playing big tournaments like now. When you're a kid, you have to maybe ask for money to your grandpa to see maybe if you can take the flight to the tournament.

And all that sacrifices, I think that makes you ‑ how can I say? ‑ makes you, you know, like being there in the court and fight more ‑ more than the other ones.

>

Q. Were you pleased when you saw Guillermo Vilas and John McEnroe giving you the greatest trophy? Were you especially pleased with that? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Especially what?

>

Q. Pleased. >

GASTON GAUDIO: Yeah. I mean, it's like I touch heaven, you know. It's everything. I was talking with (Mack?) before the match and was just asking for some advice, you know. Because I was too nervous and I was telling him what I should do or, "Tell me what you think about it," or, "Give me some advice," because I'm suffering before the match, and it didn't even start.

He was telling me, "You have to relax yourself," and, "You are just in the final, try and enjoy this moment, and maybe in a couple years you will say this ‑‑ you will maybe" ‑ I don't know ‑ "you will say that, 'Why I couldn't enjoy that moment?' And now that I'm not playing anymore, you know, you gonna miss it." He helped me a lot before the match.

I don't know. Even that I start the match so nervous, during the match I was thinking about that.

>

Q. When Guillermo first called the trainer, some people wondered if he was kind of going into some gamesmanship, trying to get in your head a little bit. What were your thoughts at that point? Did you doubt he was injured or did you wait to see what happened?>

GASTON GAUDIO: No, I was waiting just to see what happened. I mean, he couldn't play the fourth set. I think that he was injured. Even the fifth set, he couldn't serve.

Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe the same situation like in Hamburg, but then I realized that it wasn't like that.

>

Q. Do you realize that the same way that Guillermo Vilas was referenced for the kids in Argentina, now you could be a role model for them? >

GASTON GAUDIO: (Laughing). No, I don't even think about that yet. I don't know. Everything is coming too fast, you know. It's like I will have to calm down and go to my hotel, lie on my bed, and just think what I have done, you know.

>

Q. You talked about your family a minute ago. Could you talk about the inspiration of your father, in particular. I know you've mentioned that before. >

GASTON GAUDIO: Well, I think that everything that I have done, I owe it to him. He made so much effort to me, for me, and for all of us, you know, my brothers, my sisters.

So I want to dedicate all this to him. He deserve it, for sure.

>

Q. A couple of days ago, you said you saw Nalbandian and Coria as the Galacticos, and you were something of a Valencia because Valencia won the league. >

GASTON GAUDIO: I don't lie. I always say the truth.

>

Q. Were you being smart at the time?>

GASTON GAUDIO: That's why I say Valencia, you know, because they got the championship and I got it. So I don't lie. That's why (smiling).

>

Q. You said, during your speech, when you were talking about your parents, you didn't ask them to come. Did you think if they came it would make you too nervous? Did you not ask them early enough?>

GASTON GAUDIO: No, I prefer to be like I was in the matches before, just with my people, the people that we were doing our stuff together the whole tournament. So I didn't want them to change anything, you know. They know that I have it always with me, but in my heart, you know.

THE MODERATOR: Spanish questions, please.

>

Q. In your life you lived incredible things in Moscow, in Croatia, in Barcelona. When you look back on what you lived, what do you feel today, when you see that you win 8‑6 in the fifth and that you win the French Open? >

GASTON GAUDIO: It's 100 percent satisfaction. As you said, I had difficult moments. People don't know about it, in Moscow or in Malaga. In Malaga, people know how they criticized me.

It's true when you come back to Buenos Aires that you have the impression that it's my fault, and it hurt me. This is the reason why I enjoy this moment twice as much, because there are people who help me at that difficult moment. It was a difficult moment of my life.

Now, it's like a revenge. I worked a lot, I fought a lot ‑ more than ever. To reach that moment, this is life. Now I enjoy it.

>

Q. Did you think at a certain time you had lost the match? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Yes, at one time I thought it was lost.

Ouch, I have a cramp.

Yes, at any stage I thought I could lose the match ‑ 15‑40, when he was serving. I hit my backhand, and I thought, "We'll see what happens."

>

Q. You didn't have a good year until now, but you beat Moya this year. Do you believe this tournament was important? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Yes. After Barcelona, I had the feeling that I was playing well again, and I felt that my tennis was back. I was feeling good, and I was behaving very well. So I felt good when I arrived in this tournament.

>

Q. Guga in Buenos Aires said that you were a potential winner of the French Open and you had enough talent to win. Did you talk about it with him? >

GASTON GAUDIO: It's true that with Guga, we are good friends. I always admired him as a person before anything else. He was asked how it happened when he won and he came here. I won a challenger last week, and then we speak as good friends. I will not forget that the first time I came here he asked me to play with him. Since then, I respect him a lot.

>

Q. Your career is now at a turning point. You didn't imagine that a couple of minutes ago. Do you think about something? >

GASTON GAUDIO: I believe it is going to change many things, but I don't know what. I don't even realize that I won yet. I didn't have time to understand that. Of course, it will change many things, but I'm not thinking about it right now.

>

Q. It's been 25 years or 27 years since an Argentinian didn't win here. It was legendary. Are you going to become a legend thanks to this victory? >

GASTON GAUDIO: We'll see with time. But we can't compare with Guillermo Vilas. I think it's thanks to him that I was able to play. He won many titles. Nobody's going to catch up on what he did. Now it's our time, but it's another level. I think that everything that can bring joy and pleasure to the Argentinians, we will do it.

>

Q. Up to what point did the support of the public in the third set helped you for winning this match? >

GASTON GAUDIO: I believe it was fundamental, because when I was down 4‑3, I was very nervous. I couldn't feel the ball properly. I was not enjoying it all at that moment. Suddenly, the crowd did the wave, and I enjoyed my tennis more. I enjoyed the match, and I came back into the match.

>

Q. Did you think about Maradona?>

GASTON GAUDIO: Yes, Maradona and all the people I mentioned. If I can bring as much joy as he did, why not? I hope I can give him emotions. Even if we can do very little for him, we will do it.

>

Q. This pres conference is being broadcast in Argentina. Do you want to speak to your parents and your friends in front of the camera? Do you want to send them a message? >

GASTON GAUDIO: I already send a message from the court. I told them what I felt, that I loved them, that everything is for them, and that we are going to celebrate all that when I come back.

>

Q. Are you speaking to someone in particular? >

GASTON GAUDIO: No, to my whole family and all the people who are helping me.

>

Q. You went through hard times. Do you believe you can live that kind of moment in Davis Cup? Did you think about the difficult moments you might live in tennis? >

GASTON GAUDIO: Every match I play is a new experience. Whether it was in Russia or in Malaga, all that is good experience. Even if some of you ‑ not all of you ‑ criticized me in Malaga. I learned from that and it gave me strength to fight. Today, I enjoy all the more. It's possible that from now on, I will be able to manage better my emotions.

>

Q. There's no doubt that the Argentinian tennis had a period before Vilas and a period after Vilas. Are we going to have to wait 27 years more to live again this kind of celebration on the court? >

GASTON GAUDIO: No. As I said before, Guillermo and David have an incredible tennis. They are both able to win this kind of tournament and they have many years ahead. Just as well he didn't win today, because it would have been very difficult for me because I don't have many years left in tennis. They have many years ahead in tennis.

Dirk
06-06-2004, 09:15 PM
Well there is always Rafter :rolleyes:

JennyS
06-06-2004, 10:31 PM
When he first started to serve the way he did, I definetly thought he was injured. I was just a little bit confused when he started to play well all of a sudden, but now realize that it took the medication a while to start working. The NBC commentators weren't sure what to think. It wouldn't make sense for someone to throw a set away in a Grand Slam final though.

Frooty_Bazooty
06-06-2004, 11:10 PM
Q. When Guillermo first called the trainer, some people wondered if he was kind of going into some gamesmanship, trying to get in your head a little bit. What were your thoughts at that point? Did you doubt he was injured or did you wait to see what happened?>

GASTON GAUDIO: No, I was waiting just to see what happened. I mean, he couldn't play the fourth set. I think that he was injured. Even the fifth set, he couldn't serve.

Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe the same situation like in Hamburg, but then I realized that it wasn't like that.

can someone help me here? i cant see the part where he calls Coria a cheater :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 11:13 PM
can someone help me here? i cant see the part where he calls Coria a cheater :rolleyes:
In his post match interview to Bud he suggested it was suspicious. However, I'm willing to let that go. He had just won a grandslam, he had emotions running high, and was being asked stupid questions. He cleaned it up for his interview, so good for him.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:22 PM
GASTON GAUDIO: Yes, at one time I thought it was lost.

Ouch, I have a cramp.

Yes, at any stage I thought I could lose the match ‑ 15‑40, when he was serving. I hit my backhand, and I thought, "We'll see what happens."

I think this is the part where the posters were saying he joked and the journalists laughed.

ys
06-06-2004, 11:24 PM
Gamesmanship or not.. If there ever was a valid reason to fine a player for not trying, it is the way Coria played set #4..

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:27 PM
YS, Coria couldn't move. He had some icy hot stuff that took time to set in.

ys
06-06-2004, 11:29 PM
YS, Coria couldn't move. He had some icy hot stuff that took time to set in.
And the time of that to kick in was scheduled for the beginning of the fifth set?

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:30 PM
His trainer said it would take about 15 minutes. The 4th set was about 15 minutes.

faboozadoo15
06-06-2004, 11:43 PM
well but you have to read Guillermo's interview then...the doc gave him something that was going to take a few mins to take effect...so Guillermo was waiting for it to make effect...check his interview
and the detractors will believe what he has to say because..... :rolleyes:
magic potion, tank a set, and you're off to the races again.

i don't see how you guys don't see how this was in some way gamesmanship. gaudio wins the third set and has all the momentum... doesn't even wait for the changeover to get his treatment. i CALLED it with the people i was watching the match with who didn't know that much about tennis. i knew he was going to take that break.
then you tank the 4th to let your opponent think they've got you beat and then you turn it on in the fifth set again and totally put your opponent off.

faboozadoo15
06-06-2004, 11:45 PM
can someone help me here? i cant see the part where he calls Coria a cheater :rolleyes:
where did anyone say he was a cheater? he followed the rules...

faboozadoo15
06-06-2004, 11:46 PM
That's funny, because exactly when Gastón answered that question, I told myself : Oh God, some people on the board will misinterpret this. ;) Looks like I was right.
no, or gaudio's too nice to say what's completely on your mind and he does suspect gamesmanship :rolleyes:

darnyelb
06-06-2004, 11:46 PM
When Gaudio said "Yeah" to Bud Collins, I didn't take it to mean Gaudio agreed that it was gamesmanship. People can say "Yeah" to merely acknowledge an interviewer's question, and that's the way I took it.

I think he was just perplexed that anyone could be faking cramps and purposely tanking games in a grand slam final. And when it became clear that the treatment needed 15 minutes to take effect, Gaston acknowledged the injury.

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:47 PM
I don't get it. If Gaudio has the momentum and takes the third, why not just snatch it back in the fourth? Why tank it?

faboozadoo15
06-06-2004, 11:48 PM
GASTON GAUDIO: No, I was waiting just to see what happened. I mean, he couldn't play the fourth set. I think that he was injured. Even the fifth set, he couldn't serve.

Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe the same situation like in Hamburg, but then I realized that it wasn't like that.

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prepped.
damn it, speak your mind!
the only thing he did wrong all day ^^^

Tennis Fool
06-06-2004, 11:48 PM
He didn't pull any stunts with Henman when it would have been the time to do it :shurg:

faboozadoo15
06-06-2004, 11:49 PM
I don't get it. If Gaudio has the momentum and takes the third, why not just snatch it back in the fourth? Why tank it?
snatching it back is what he's INCAPABLE of when he was getting tired.

faboozadoo15
06-06-2004, 11:52 PM
He didn't pull any stunts with Henman when it would have been the time to do it :shurg:
henman only won the first set was choking without coria's help in the others, henman isn't the claycourter that gaudio is, and it wasn't the final.

Tennis Fool
06-07-2004, 12:15 AM
Fab: You're starting to convince me, and I don't know if that's good :o

Tennis Fool
06-07-2004, 12:16 AM
Well, I still like Coria. I like Gaston's game but his voice, you know, is a bit irritating (actually sounds like my landlord).

faboozadoo15
06-07-2004, 12:20 AM
Well, I still like Coria. I like Gaston's game but his voice, you know, is a bit irritating (actually sounds like my landlord).
u can still like coria, i still like his game. there's nothing wrong with many of his fans.
but what i saw today disgusted me, and i feel very strongly about it. i don't want to see this again.

my favorite player is monica seles, someone who almost routinely takes a bathroom break once a tournament. i roll my eyes sometimes, but i know it's different for girls who want a shirt change... without the publicity

Tennis Fool
06-07-2004, 12:22 AM
Monica :sad:

She could have blown away either player in the finals.

faboozadoo15
06-07-2004, 12:29 AM
Monica :sad:

She could have blown away either player in the finals.
could and WOULD in my opinion. but sadly, she wasn't fit to compete 2 weeks ago, and i'm not quick to dismiss the hard work myskina and dementieva put in over the fortnight. they beat players monica doesn't have good records against-- davenport (although she kinda gave up), serena, venus, and amelie (monica actually has a winning record over her, but 3-2 with amelie retiring in one of her "wins"), and she has a great record against jen... but they deserved to be there. if only dementieva could have played better! :devil: i quite like her actually, and now we're completely off track

Leo
06-07-2004, 12:31 AM
I don't think he fully understood Bud, and Bud didn't even let him get in a full response. I don't really know what Gaston thinks about Guille's cramps, but I know that he doesn't care anymore. :D

faboozadoo15
06-07-2004, 12:33 AM
I don't think he fully understood Bud, and Bud didn't even let him get in a full response. I don't really know what Gaston thinks about Guille's cramps, but I know that he doesn't care anymore. :D
maybe not fully understood, but he got most of it. his answer was like "i won't speak about that of which i don't know, but i CAN tell you what i DO know." i thought it was a sly answer when he said it.

WyveN
06-07-2004, 12:20 PM
If Coria had not had controversial acts in previous matches then he would not get so much crap this time around, reminds me of the boy who cried wolf