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Drikke
08-25-2008, 12:16 PM
The happenings when a "missed" team is added to the main draw at the last minute really bugs me -- I think there's a lot of responsibility to the missed team, they should have noticed that they were not in the entry list, they had all week to notice...now a team that was fairly in the main draw potentially misses out. I do not agree with the current board policy in these cases.

I know it's my fault , sorry once again , but I think you're right.

Filipo
08-25-2008, 02:32 PM
The happenings when a "missed" team is added to the main draw at the last minute really bugs me -- I think there's a lot of responsibility to the missed team, they should have noticed that they were not in the entry list, they had all week to notice...now a team that was fairly in the main draw potentially misses out. I do not agree with the current board policy in these cases.

Agree on this :yeah:

The board don't want to harm "missed" team, but with this you're harming the other team. There is a whole week to check if you and your team is in the list.

rvugt
08-25-2008, 03:09 PM
Agree on this :yeah:

The board don't want to harm "missed" team, but with this you're harming the other team. There is a whole week to check if you and your team is in the list.

Just to let know that I agree on this too! Maybe the draw of the MD can be done earlier to prevent this from happening again!

JeffCandoi
08-25-2008, 03:32 PM
Agree on this :yeah:

The board don't want to harm "missed" team, but with this you're harming the other team. There is a whole week to check if you and your team is in the list.

involved in this situation I may talk about..

I think the players only need to say "in" and not to say "in" and to be checking entry list.. .. I assume the managers are able to check all posts.. its simple

I didnt need check TT US open thread one week before, I dont think so,
The tournament starts on monday.. it means I have to be connected at least for this day..

Taz Warrior
08-25-2008, 06:58 PM
No Orleans thread yet? :shrug:

Taz Warrior
08-25-2008, 07:14 PM
The happenings when a "missed" team is added to the main draw at the last minute really bugs me -- I think there's a lot of responsibility to the missed team, they should have noticed that they were not in the entry list, they had all week to notice...now a team that was fairly in the main draw potentially misses out. I do not agree with the current board policy in these cases.

I do kind of agree with you, maybe we do need to make a clear rule on this but managers need to ensure that the entry lists are updated regularly so that there are plenty of chances for teams to check whether they're in the draw (I'm not saying this was the case in USO because I honestly don't know but in other tournaments I know sometimes the entry list isn't always updated).

In this case it was right to include Duncan/Jeff in the draw as it is highly likely that there will be LLs in a GS but in smaller tournaments it's not always the case and there will be innocent teams who miss out.

Drikke
08-25-2008, 08:10 PM
Orleans thread is up, sorry for the delay

Drikke
08-26-2008, 06:58 PM
I'm afraid I've got bad news. I've just recieved the information my school starts on 8th september. And we've got a day trip on tuesday morning untill wednesdag morning.

I won't be able to run Orléans this tuesday. I could run all the rest if somebody wants to help me on tuesday. If you think it's better to give it to another manager, go on :)

Boarder35m
08-26-2008, 07:51 PM
I'm afraid I've got bad news. I've just recieved the information my school starts on 8th september. And we've got a day trip on tuesday morning untill wednesdag morning.

I won't be able to run Orléans this tuesday. I could run all the rest if somebody wants to help me on tuesday. If you think it's better to give it to another manager, go on :)

I could help out :wavey:

Labamba
08-27-2008, 09:36 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2008news/bangalore_security.asp

Bangalore event cancelled :(

Labamba
08-27-2008, 09:46 AM
I'm open to manage Grenoble if needed :)

:cool:

I'm afraid I've got bad news. I've just recieved the information my school starts on 8th september. And we've got a day trip on tuesday morning untill wednesdag morning.

I won't be able to run Orléans this tuesday. I could run all the rest if somebody wants to help me on tuesday. If you think it's better to give it to another manager, go on :)

I could help out :wavey:

this works for me :yeah:

Labamba
08-27-2008, 10:09 AM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

15/09/2008 Szczecin CH CL 32/16/16/8 Forever-Delayed
15/09/2008 Cali CH CL 32/16/16/8 rvugt
15/09/2008 Todi CH CL 32/16/16/8 Allez-Alejo
15/09/2008 Waco CH H 32/16/16/8 Kielian


no Davis Cup players in these, all the others can play

anybody for Todi? :wavey:

Drikke
08-27-2008, 12:14 PM
I could help out :wavey:

Great :worship:

Allez-Alejo
08-27-2008, 11:17 PM
is there anything left for me to run?

Labamba
08-28-2008, 02:12 PM
is there anything left for me to run?

Todi? Or Aracaju?

Todi is more urgent right now...

maldini
08-29-2008, 09:00 AM
By when do players have to be out of the US Open to be able to play Düsseldorf CH?
Thanks :wavey:

Taz Warrior
08-29-2008, 09:04 AM
By when do players have to be out of the US Open to be able to play Düsseldorf CH?
Thanks :wavey:

Before R16 for qualifying and before QF for MD :)

maldini
08-29-2008, 11:57 AM
I have now 9 players for qualifying (maybe SE's cleared, then 7..). This would mean one match already tomorrow, but I won't know by then who is able to play and who not :shrug:

Boarder35m
08-29-2008, 12:11 PM
I have now 9 players for qualifying (maybe SE's cleared, then 7..). This would mean one match already tomorrow, but I won't know by then who is able to play and who not :shrug:

I don´t think that there will be qualy matches tomorrow. :p

Last year this tournament had a tuesday start and I think it will be the same this year :wavey:

maldini
08-29-2008, 01:13 PM
Alright, then it's ok..so I won't do anything today :p

Allez-Alejo
08-29-2008, 01:57 PM
Todi? Or Aracaju?

Todi is more urgent right now...

I have to go to work right now....if when I get back in 5 hours and Todi hasn't been opened, I will do it.

diego36arg
08-30-2008, 11:32 PM
One question, who won?

Manu86 13
Nalbandian 46 64 63 67 63
Fish 3-1
Del Potro 3-1
Querrey 3-1
Ferrer 3-2
Nadal 3-0
Wawrinka 3-0
Murray 3-1

Mr-Piojoso 14
Nalbandian: 6-4 7-6 3-6 6-3
Fish: 3-1
Del Potro: 3-1
Karlovic: 3-0
Ferrer: 3-1
Nadal: 3-0
Wawrinka: 3-1
Murray: 3-1

Thanks.

diego36arg
08-30-2008, 11:35 PM
Sorry, the result of yesterday is Manu86 13 Mr-Piojoso 14.

rvugt
08-30-2008, 11:44 PM
Matches are not finished yet! So how should we know who have won!

Edit: + What are the exact SR matches? You should be more specific for people to answer your question! + There were also SR matches yesterday!

Editedit: Why the fuck are you asking this! It is a two days round! Please think before asking!

diego36arg
08-30-2008, 11:48 PM
Matches are not finished yet! So how should we know who have won!

Edit: + What are the exact SR matches? You should be more specific for people to answer your question! + There were also SR matches yesterday!

Editedit: Why the fuck are you asking this! It is a two days round! Please think before asking!

If Ferrer lost, the match is 17-17, the SR is 1-1, who won in shotout?

Boarder35m
08-30-2008, 11:50 PM
Sorry, the result of yesterday is Manu86 13 Mr-Piojoso 14.

As you don´t post the picks from yesterday one can´t say. :p

Querrey won so they are tied in overall picks and it goes to # of winners from SR matches.
For today manu is ahead but what about yesterdays SR matches?

diego36arg
08-30-2008, 11:51 PM
As you don´t post the picks from yesterday one can´t say. :p

Querrey won so they are tied in overall picks and it goes to # of winners from SR matches.
For today manu is ahead but what about yesterdays SR matches?

Yesterday match not count SR, only today match in the SR order of my post.

rvugt
08-30-2008, 11:53 PM
Yesterday match not count SR, only today match in the SR order of my post.

Well, than you would win of course, as you have more SR matches right!

Boarder35m
08-30-2008, 11:54 PM
Yesterday match not count SR, only today match in the SR order of my post.

So I would say that manu won because of the # of winners from SR matches :wavey:

diego36arg
08-30-2008, 11:57 PM
Well, than you would win of course, as you have more SR matches right!

SRs 1-1, Manu86 won on SR4 shotout?

Boarder35m
08-31-2008, 12:03 AM
SRs 1-1, Manu86 won on SR4 shotout?

no, before you compare the number of correct SRs you first compare the number of winners from SR matches. :p

diego36arg
08-31-2008, 12:07 AM
The only SR correct for both is SR6 Nadal 3-0, no other differences in SRs.

Boarder35m
08-31-2008, 12:15 AM
The only SR correct for both is SR6 Nadal 3-0, no other differences in SRs.

diego look at the first post in the rules threat.

If you want to know the winner of a TT match you look at the number of correct picks at first.
Sice many was one behind and he won one more today there will be a tie at the end of the day.

The next thing you do is that you look at the number of winners from SR matches (they don´t have to have the correct SR!!!) :p

diego36arg
08-31-2008, 12:18 AM
diego look at the first post in the rules threat.

If you want to know the winner of a TT match you look at the number of correct picks at first.
Sice many was one behind and he won one more today there will be a tie at the end of the day.

The next thing you do is that you look at the number of winners from SR matches (they don´t have to have the correct SR!!!) :p

Ok, Thanks Alex, and sorry for my very bad english. ;)

rvugt
08-31-2008, 09:41 AM
I have a question: i'm running the challenger of Brasov. But there are some people, including myself that are still in the third round of US Open! But I have to make the draw of the challenger today, but I'm not sure yet if the people will be still in in the US Open before late tonight! So what do I have to do? Make draws and remove the players if they are still in? Or start the tournament on Tuesday?

FiBeR
08-31-2008, 10:08 AM
i think in these cases, when a slam is played in such a different time zone and it kind of affects the tourney, i would go with a tuesday start

since the tourney is not full, i think it should be ok to have a late start :p

but that would be me :) ive seen other tourneys are thinking about doing the same thing ruben! :)

Zirconek
08-31-2008, 11:10 AM
I have a question: i'm running the challenger of Brasov. But there are some people, including myself that are still in the third round of US Open! But I have to make the draw of the challenger today, but I'm not sure yet if the people will be still in in the US Open before late tonight! So what do I have to do? Make draws and remove the players if they are still in? Or start the tournament on Tuesday?

i think in these cases, when a slam is played in such a different time zone and it kind of affects the tourney, i would go with a tuesday start

since the tourney is not full, i think it should be ok to have a late start :p

but that would be me :) ive seen other tourneys are thinking about doing the same thing ruben! :)

right ;)

and Brasov is supposed to start on Tuesday
http://stevegtennis.com/factsheets/2008/ch-brasov.htm

although some factsheets can be wrong/ have mistakes.

Boarder35m
08-31-2008, 07:56 PM
A grand slam in a different time zone than all challengers is really terrible. :p

Hm, now there is a commitment after the deadline, but there are only 23 singles commitments for Alphen (and 3 of them are still playing US Open today).

May I accept this very very late commitment?

Taz Warrior
08-31-2008, 09:15 PM
A grand slam in a different time zone than all challengers is really terrible. :p

Hm, now there is a commitment after the deadline, but there are only 23 singles commitments for Alphen (and 3 of them are still playing US Open today).

May I accept this very very late commitment?

Yes I think it's fine to accept this commitment as the tournament is not full and the draws haven't yet been made :)

rvugt
08-31-2008, 09:42 PM
Thnx! I already decided that the tournament would start on Tuesday, which it also actually did!

kai.
09-01-2008, 12:23 AM
For the TT points of a challenger should i take the same point than the official tournament wring?


Edit: i just check the rules again forguet my question

rvugt
09-01-2008, 08:40 AM
As told before, I will have problems managing the tournament of Cali, as I will be without computer during the qualification and will arrive back on the Monday evening. I just see that the tournament is in Colombia, so monday evening is early enough to manage the MD! But so I have a problem with making the entrylist and the draw. I can try to do it in an Internet cafe on Sunday, but I'm not sure about this. So I can manage, but I need a good assistant manager who can, if I'm not able to manage the entrylist and publish the draw. If it is too difficult, somebody else can manage. Really sorry about causing problems again! And please let me know how you think about it, should I open the thread?

Taz Warrior
09-01-2008, 09:15 AM
As told before, I will have problems managing the tournament of Cali, as I will be without computer during the qualification and will arrive back on the Monday evening. I just see that the tournament is in Colombia, so monday evening is early enough to manage the MD! But so I have a problem with making the entrylist and the draw. I can try to do it in an Internet cafe on Sunday, but I'm not sure about this. So I can manage, but I need a good assistant manager who can, if I'm not able to manage the entrylist and publish the draw. If it is too difficult, somebody else can manage. Really sorry about causing problems again! And please let me know how you think about it, should I open the thread?

Open the thread and I'll be the assistant manager and make the draws and do the qualies if necessary :)

maldini
09-01-2008, 10:05 AM
Is there anybody that could post differences for Düsseldorf CH a little after 2 PM CET today?
i have to leave at about 1.45 PM and won't be back until the evening...

rvugt
09-01-2008, 10:09 AM
Yeah, I will be able to do that, just send me the diffs!

maldini
09-01-2008, 10:20 AM
Yeah, I will be able to do that, just send me the diffs!

Great, thanks :)

Tankman
09-01-2008, 06:44 PM
A few things have come up in the last few days, so unfortunately I will not have the time to manage Cherkassy and will need someone to take over :sad:

I have also posted a request for a new manager and an explanation of what's going on in the Cherkassy thread.

Because of this, I'm also not entirely sure how I'll be for the next month or so. So just to be safe and to give more notice than for Cherkassy (:o), I'm going to stand down from managing Bangkok now - it's best we have a manager who'll definitely have the time to run it.

maldini
09-01-2008, 06:47 PM
Who wins here:

A B

Wiesler 7-6 6-3 Wiesler 6-3 6-4
Dodig 6-4 6-3 Dodig 6-3 4-6 6-4
Parada 7-6 6-3 Parada 6-3 6-4
Hajek 7-6 6-3 Hajek 6-3 6-4


Results:

Wiesler 6-4 6-2
Dodig 6-1 ret.
Kloer 6-4 7-5
Hajek 6-3 6-4

diego36arg
09-01-2008, 06:50 PM
team B

maldini
09-01-2008, 06:52 PM
Player B on PTS, I think right?

diego36arg
09-01-2008, 06:55 PM
Correct, for a set 6-4 of Wiesler. Sorry for my very bad english.

maldini
09-01-2008, 06:57 PM
Correct, for a set 6-4 of Wiesler. Sorry for my very bad english.

No need to apologize, your English is well enough :)

eljab
09-01-2008, 09:24 PM
A few things have come up in the last few days, so unfortunately I will not have the time to manage Cherkassy and will need someone to take over :sad:

I have also posted a request for a new manager and an explanation of what's going on in the Cherkassy thread.

Because of this, I'm also not entirely sure how I'll be for the next month or so. So just to be safe and to give more notice than for Cherkassy (:o), I'm going to stand down from managing Bangkok now - it's best we have a manager who'll definitely have the time to run it.

As i'm AM I'll managing this event
everybody send picks to me please.

diego36arg
09-02-2008, 01:34 AM
As i'm AM I'll managing this event
everybody send picks to me please.

eljab :worship:

Boarder35m
09-03-2008, 07:47 AM
The OOP was posted very late yesterday in Alphen and since they said that matches will start at 9.30am CET but didn´t give the OOP I posted a provisional OOP with the remainig matches from first round at 8.20 pm yesterday.

Shortly afterwards the OOP was released but there was a withdrawal which I didn´t notice at first.

I only realised this change one hour late and changed the OOP accordingly and pm-ed those who allready send picks for today. But they didn´t change their picks, maybe because they weren´t even online anymore.

Am I to void all picks from that match now, or is it possible to make a difference where both send picks from the updated oop and to keep this match outside the differences where one send picks from the ols OOP?

I am very sorry for this mistake, but it was getting really late, especcially for players from other time zones, so that I decided to put up this provisional OOP and I just didn´t realise this withdrawal at first as it was not mentioned on their homepage and even the draw from their page didn´t say so.

rvugt
09-03-2008, 08:49 AM
Well, I think you can't change the OOP afterwards, only if everybody send a different pick! So, I think this match won't count!

maldini
09-03-2008, 08:51 AM
IS there anybody to post picks for Düsseldorf again? At 1 PM....

Thanks :wavey:

Taz Warrior
09-03-2008, 09:28 AM
The OOP was posted very late yesterday in Alphen and since they said that matches will start at 9.30am CET but didn´t give the OOP I posted a provisional OOP with the remainig matches from first round at 8.20 pm yesterday.

Shortly afterwards the OOP was released but there was a withdrawal which I didn´t notice at first.

I only realised this change one hour late and changed the OOP accordingly and pm-ed those who allready send picks for today. But they didn´t change their picks, maybe because they weren´t even online anymore.

Am I to void all picks from that match now, or is it possible to make a difference where both send picks from the updated oop and to keep this match outside the differences where one send picks from the ols OOP?

I am very sorry for this mistake, but it was getting really late, especcially for players from other time zones, so that I decided to put up this provisional OOP and I just didn´t realise this withdrawal at first as it was not mentioned on their homepage and even the draw from their page didn´t say so.

Don't count the matches that weren't on the original OOP :)

maldini
09-03-2008, 10:27 AM
IS there anybody to post picks for Düsseldorf again? At 1 PM....

Thanks :wavey:

Anyone? :wavey:

adee-gee
09-03-2008, 10:34 AM
I can do it Paolo :wavey: ;)

Labamba
09-03-2008, 06:24 PM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

22/09/2008 Bangkok IH 32/16/16/8 Garlichead
22/09/2008 Beijing H 32/16/16/8 FiBeR
22/09/2008 Trnava CH CL 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
22/09/2008 Bogota CH CL 32/16/16/8 diego36arg
22/09/2008 Grenoble CH IH 32/16/16/8 eljab


no SE's in Bangkok & Beijing

Zirconek
09-03-2008, 07:49 PM
I can run Trnava ;)

Garlichead
09-03-2008, 08:43 PM
Bangkok for me!

FiBeR
09-04-2008, 01:48 AM
I was gonna say i could run bangkok and beijing but :worship: Garlichead is back :D

eljab
09-04-2008, 06:24 AM
I have to open the thread for Grenoble on next friday (tomorrow), right ?

I really have some trouble with this kind of things :o

Taz Warrior
09-04-2008, 07:30 AM
I have to open the thread for Grenoble on next friday (tomorrow), right ?

I really have some trouble with this kind of things :o

Yes :yeah:

maldini
09-04-2008, 08:07 AM
Is it allowed to send different picks for singles and doubles? :scratch:

Taz Warrior
09-04-2008, 09:50 AM
Is it allowed to send different picks for singles and doubles? :scratch:

No :p

maldini
09-04-2008, 10:04 AM
No :p

That's what I thought :p

Zirconek
09-04-2008, 02:29 PM
I can run Trnava ;)

ops, I think I can't :sad:

I was gonna say i could run bangkok and beijing but :worship: Garlichead is back :D


would you like to run Trnava... again? :lol: I can be your assistant manager :)

maldini
09-04-2008, 05:54 PM
A PTS question again:

Match Ramirez Hidalgo vs. Clemens. Result 7:6 2:6 2:6

Team A: RRH 63 64, RRH 76 62
Team B: RRH 75 64, RRH 64 63

Team A, right?

Labamba
09-04-2008, 06:00 PM
Bangkok for me!

good to have you back :yeah:

I was gonna say i could run bangkok and beijing but :worship: Garlichead is back :D

Beijing & Trnava? :D

Labamba
09-04-2008, 06:03 PM
A PTS question again:

Match Ramirez Hidalgo vs. Clemens. Result 7:6 2:6 2:6

Team A: RRH 63 64, RRH 76 62
Team B: RRH 75 64, RRH 64 63

Team A, right?

yep

FiBeR
09-04-2008, 10:12 PM
:lol: looks like im destinated to run 2 tourneys by this calendar week.
Count me in for both :rocker2:

Boarder35m
09-04-2008, 10:15 PM
:lol: looks like im destinated to run 2 tourneys by this calendar week.
Count me in for both :rocker2:

I could take one of them, if you like :wavey:

Boarder35m
09-05-2008, 10:45 AM
If I get the OK from the board I would take Trnava, so that Ray doesn´t have to run 2 tournaments in one week. :)

diego36arg
09-05-2008, 10:45 AM
Bogota is out

FiBeR
09-05-2008, 12:23 PM
its fine with me alex :D take trnava if you want :p :rolls:

ill open the Beijing thread in around 3 hours :wavey:

Drikke
09-05-2008, 12:29 PM
Boarder35m will run Orléans , I don't have enoguh time to run it like I want. Okay ?

FiBeR
09-05-2008, 12:57 PM
EDIT: nevermind, :p

FiBeR
09-05-2008, 01:47 PM
-> http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=131080 Beijing TT Thread up and running :wavey:

Labamba
09-05-2008, 02:17 PM
If I get the OK from the board I would take Trnava, so that Ray doesn´t have to run 2 tournaments in one week. :)

you got it :yeah:

Bogota is out

:confused:

Boarder35m will run Orléans , I don't have enoguh time to run it like I want. Okay ?

ok

FiBeR
09-05-2008, 03:10 PM
:secret: i think diego meant bogota thread is up and running :p ..

:rolls: the thread is posted :D

M.C.
09-05-2008, 04:08 PM
If I pull out of Davis Cup and commit to a challenger, will I be an LE?

Labamba
09-05-2008, 04:52 PM
If I pull out of Davis Cup and commit to a challenger, will I be an LE?

no, if you do it before the first deadline

diego36arg
09-05-2008, 06:10 PM
:secret: i think diego meant bogota thread is up and running :p ..

:rolls: the thread is posted :D

Yes, sorry, my english is very bad obviously, Bogota thread is up and running. :angel:

kai.
09-05-2008, 07:56 PM
Hi, i just want to say than in Tulsa we will not play doubles because i just have 4 teams :S..

well :wavey:


Edit: I cant belive this, when i told than it will not be doubles the "Players" start to react..
so can i make a second deadline for doubles??

Taz Warrior
09-06-2008, 08:33 AM
Hi, i just want to say than in Tulsa we will not play doubles because i just have 4 teams :S..

well :wavey:


Edit: I cant belive this, when i told than it will not be doubles the "Players" start to react..
so can i make a second deadline for doubles??

Yes, leave the deadline open for as long as possible to try and ensure there is a doubles tournament :)

kai.
09-06-2008, 08:34 AM
Yes, leave the deadline open for as long as possible to try and ensure there is a doubles tournament :)

Ok thanksss ;)

Boarder35m
09-06-2008, 01:28 PM
Since Drikke will not be able to manage Orleans and I took over, there won´t be any updates on first day.

Drike offered to give me his password so that I could log in with his account to update first page.
Does this get the OK from the board or shall we just leave the first page like it is?

Labamba
09-06-2008, 03:36 PM
Since Drikke will not be able to manage Orleans and I took over, there won´t be any updates on first day.

Drike offered to give me his password so that I could log in with his account to update first page.
Does this get the OK from the board or shall we just leave the first page like it is?

leave it like it is, you can run it without the first page updates

Drikke can update it later when he gets back

Garlichead
09-06-2008, 04:30 PM
Bangkok thread will be opened after Austria vs France qualifier :bounce:

maldini
09-07-2008, 11:30 AM
Is this correct for Düsseldorf?


TT RANKING POINTS

W....66
F....46
SF...29
QF...15
R16..6
R32..1
Q....2

Taz Warrior
09-07-2008, 12:50 PM
Is this correct for Düsseldorf?


TT RANKING POINTS

W....66
F....46
SF...29
QF...15
R16..6
R32..1
Q....2



Yes :)

maldini
09-07-2008, 03:15 PM
Yes :)

Thanks :)

And another question:

Result: Vliegen def Beck 6-0 6-3

Team A: Beck 63 64 (x2)
Team B: Beck 3-6 7-6 6-3, Beck 7-6 3-6 6-4

Is there a PTS winner or does it go to countback?

Labamba
09-07-2008, 03:42 PM
Thanks :)

And another question:

Result: Vliegen def Beck 6-0 6-3

Team A: Beck 63 64 (x2)
Team B: Beck 3-6 7-6 6-3, Beck 7-6 3-6 6-4

Is there a PTS winner or does it go to countback?

Team B wins on PTS

Taz Warrior
09-07-2008, 03:43 PM
Thanks :)

And another question:

Result: Vliegen def Beck 6-0 6-3

Team A: Beck 63 64 (x2)
Team B: Beck 3-6 7-6 6-3, Beck 7-6 3-6 6-4

Is there a PTS winner or does it go to countback?

Team B wins 12-0 on PTS:
- 2 points for giving a set to Vliegen
- 1 point for 1 correct set order
- 3 points for giving a 6-3 set 2to Vligen

x 2.

:D

maldini
09-07-2008, 03:44 PM
Team B wins on PTS

Team B wins 12-0 on PTS:
- 2 points for giving a set to Vliegen
- 1 point for 1 correct set order
- 3 points for giving a 6-3 set 2to Vligen

x 2.

:D

Thanks Ville and Gav :hatoff:

FiBeR
09-07-2008, 04:36 PM
:wavey:

Donetsk challenger is starting on tuesday

this is based on last year's schedule, and the fact MD is still not available in the atp page (hasnt been sorted), neither in the local site (which is really hard to understand since it is in russian)
moreover qualifying tournament just started today, which means it should end by tomorrow the soonest..

based on all these 4 things (stressing out the site is in a language i dont speak :lol:) i think it is logical to announce the tournament starts on tuesday :p

it will be only a matter of time the OOP is out but im 99% sure there wont be any MD matches tomorrow since it is usually given a day or two for players to check the draws -which there arent any by now-

Boarder35m
09-07-2008, 05:05 PM
I never had this. In Orleans it goes to game difference.

Am I right with this?

Player A Player B
Charroin 6-3 4-6 7-6 Charroin 7-6 4-6 6-4
Insausti 6-3 6-2 Insausti 6-4 6-3
Mankad 6-1 6-3 Mankad 6-4 6-3
Zovko 7-5 6-1 Zovko 6-3 6-3
Renavand 6-4 6-4 Renavand 6-3 6-3
Bastl 6-3 6-0 Bastl 6-2 6-3
Obradovic 6-1 7-5 Obradovic 6-3 6-3
Robert 6-3 6-4 Robert 6-4 6-2


I marked correct scorelines in blue


Actual results:
Charroin def Ruis-Rosales 7-6 6-7 6-2
Rajaobelina def Insausti 6-3 6-3
Loglo def Mankad 6-4 3-6 7-6 (5)
Gilbert def Zovko 7-6 6-4
Renavand def Dupuy 6-2 7-6
Bastl def Penaud 6-1 7-5
Obradovic def Raja 6-4 6-4
Robert def Wang 6-4 6-0



Do I have to do calculate this game difference for all matches together or does it work like the PTS shootout?


Did I do it right for the first match?

player A: 6-3 4-6 7-6= +2 game diff and 32 games played
player B: 7-6 4-6 6-4= +1 game diff and 33 games played

result 7-6 6-7 6-2= +4 game diff and 34 games played

player A: 2 game diff and 2 games played= 4
player B: 3 game diff and 1 games played= 4

Taz Warrior
09-07-2008, 05:41 PM
It works like a shootout and yes you calculated it correctly therefore player A wins by virtue of having the closer Game Difference

Boarder35m
09-07-2008, 05:44 PM
It works like a shootout and yes you calculated it correctly therefore player A wins by virtue of having the closer Game Difference

Thank you very much. I really wasn´t sure about this

diego36arg
09-07-2008, 11:06 PM
That ranking should I use for CH de Bogota starting on September 22?

Tankman
09-08-2008, 12:10 AM
you always use the rankings from 2 weeks before

so for Bogota you would use the September 8 ranking :) so you'll have to wait for Gav to post them up later on

diego36arg
09-08-2008, 12:15 AM
you always use the rankings from 2 weeks before

so for Bogota you would use the September 8 ranking :) so you'll have to wait for Gav to post them up later on

Thanks Tankman. ;)

Boarder35m
09-08-2008, 10:14 AM
leave it like it is, you can run it without the first page updates

Drikke can update it later when he gets back


Hm and now the problems are there.

Drikke put the OOP on first page and now some players send to him. One player had picks from his doubles partner who send to Drikke and he could forward them to me.

After that 3 picks were missing and 3 LL send in picks so they were replaced and now someone says he sent do Drikke as well.

Am I to replace him again ?

Taz Warrior
09-08-2008, 11:18 AM
Hm and now the problems are there.

Drikke put the OOP on first page and now some players send to him. One player had picks from his doubles partner who send to Drikke and he could forward them to me.

After that 3 picks were missing and 3 LL send in picks so they were replaced and now someone says he sent do Drikke as well.

Am I to replace him again ?

If players have sent their picks to Drikke then these picks should count so you'll have to put them back in the draw in place of the LLs.

FiBeR
09-08-2008, 03:10 PM
question:

Genius1787 just pmed me telling me he and mechi signed up for 2 challengers in the same week (this week 37 of challengers)

he is already appearing in the main draw of my tournament

of course he and mechi will be erased from Donetsk entry list and remain in Tulsa since they signed up there first

my question goes:

do i grant (the draw is already announced) a first round bye to #1 and #2 seeds moving up #1-2 rivals to mechi-genius' spots in MD? or do i just give whoever they were playing a bye? :p

i think this never happened before so i would like to ask that first before taking an action :) :wavey:

Taz Warrior
09-08-2008, 03:20 PM
The top 2 seeds should get the byes :)

FiBeR
09-08-2008, 03:37 PM
ok, ill change the draw then

Labamba
09-09-2008, 08:21 PM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

29/09/2008 Tokyo H 64/32/32/16 TankingTheSet
29/09/2008 Metz IH 32/16/16/8 Marksman
29/09/2008 Mons CH IH 32/16/16/8 Spadea TT
29/09/2008 Aracaju CH CL 32/16/16/8 FiBeR


Aracaju, anyone? :)

FiBeR
09-09-2008, 08:56 PM
:drool:

Labamba
09-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Time to find managers for this patch of tournaments, you have one week to apply. I'd like to see a great line-up of managers to finish of the season in style! :cool:

ps. don't forget to give back-up choices

October


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

06/10/2008 Vienna IH 32/16/16/8 ?
06/10/2008 Moscow IS 32/16/16/8 ?
06/10/2008 Stockholm IH 32/16/16/8 ?
06/10/2008 Asuncion CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
06/10/2008 Rennes CH IH 32/16/16/8 ?
13/10/2008 Madrid IH 64/32/32/16 ?
13/10/2008 Tashkent CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
13/10/2008 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
13/10/2008 Kolding CH IH 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Basel IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 St. Petersburg IC 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Lyon IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Seoul CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Paris IS 64/32/32/16 ?
27/10/2008 Cali 2 CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Busan CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Aachen CH IS 32/16/16/8 ?

tiptopdaisy
09-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Vienna for me if possible :aplot:

Jens
09-09-2008, 09:28 PM
Kolding please
Back-Up: Aachen

diego36arg
09-09-2008, 09:33 PM
Buenos Aires for me please
If not Montevideo.
Thanks.

Taz Warrior
09-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Tashkent please :)

Taz Warrior
09-09-2008, 09:37 PM
BU: Rennes

Garlichead
09-09-2008, 09:58 PM
Stockholm for me!
Backup: Moscow

FiBeR
09-09-2008, 10:24 PM
:( i wanted buenos aires :tears:

:bounce: diego :worship:


Paris TMS :cool: (:secret: i want to end my manager year in style :rolls:)

B.U. Basel :hearts:

kai.
09-09-2008, 10:27 PM
Asuncion or montevideo please..
or if there is any ch in usa it will be better :lol:

Boarder35m
09-09-2008, 10:58 PM
I´d like to manage Lyon :)

if you think that´s to big, I´d like Aachen as BU :p

savesthedizzle
09-10-2008, 01:10 AM
Moscow please :)

BU: Lyon, Stockholm, doubles for Ray in Paris if he wants ;), Madrid, etc etc

Actually anything in Europe is good for me time zone-wise :) I like running doubles for some odd reason so if Madrid or Paris needs a doubles person, just that is fine with me too.

Blah I'm easy to please :)

FiBeR
09-10-2008, 07:51 AM
:hearts: FiBeR & Troickitard (S/D) for Paris sounds great ^^

Id like doubles of Madrid if needed too :lol:

Forever-Delayed
09-10-2008, 09:34 AM
I may need someone else to run Szcezin as I don't think the house is going to have the internet before the beginning of next week which will make the event far too difficult to run.

Labamba
09-10-2008, 10:49 AM
:drool:

this one is for Aracaju, right? :lol:

FiBeR
09-10-2008, 04:38 PM
this one is for Aracaju, right? :lol:

^^ :lol: yeah, count me in if no one wants it :p

Labamba
09-10-2008, 05:32 PM
^^ :lol: yeah, count me in if no one wants it :p

:yeah:

Allez-Alejo
09-11-2008, 03:17 PM
If someone could post the entry lists in Todi it would be greatly appreciated. I have no time today to do it.

diego36arg
09-11-2008, 03:46 PM
If someone could post the entry lists in Todi it would be greatly appreciated. I have no time today to do it.

What rank, 25/08 or 08/09? :confused:

diego36arg
09-11-2008, 03:57 PM
If someone could post the entry lists in Todi it would be greatly appreciated. I have no time today to do it.

The entry list is already published with the rankings of 25 / 8. ;)

Forever-Delayed
09-11-2008, 04:22 PM
I may need someone else to run Szcezin as I don't think the house is going to have the internet before the beginning of next week which will make the event far too difficult to run.

Yeah, I'll definately need someone else to run the event as the internet won't be in until the end of next week.

Sorry!

:wavey:

kai.
09-11-2008, 05:11 PM
Hi guys, i have 1 question, 1 of the "players" of tulsa challenger send the picks 1 hour late..
but i dont know if in oklahoma are playing because the weather was bad.. so i should take that pics us late picks and looking to the OOP dont count reynolds and dacevic pics? O.o


Edit: Other q.. other players send his picks as SR and he forgot PTS, i told him but i dont have the "new picks" i shodnt take that picks right?

diego36arg
09-11-2008, 06:17 PM
When you do not have livescore, you need 1 hour and a half from each party that begins, so you do not really know whether it rains or not, regarding SR PTS and, if there is a tie and must define PTS, which did not send , Is not counted.

Cuando no tienes livescore, debes contar 1 hora y media entre cada partido que comienza, debes hacerlo asi pues no sabemos si realmente llueve o no, con respecto a SR y PTS, si hay empate y deben definir en PTS, el que no lo envia, no se cuenta.

kai.
09-11-2008, 06:21 PM
When you do not have livescore, you need 1 hour and a half from each party that begins, so you do not really know whether it rains or not, regarding SR PTS and, if there is a tie and must define PTS, which did not send , Is not counted.


Thanks - Gracias.. :hug:
:wavey:

TankingTheSet
09-11-2008, 08:02 PM
Tokyo thread is up.

Labamba
09-11-2008, 09:19 PM
Yeah, I'll definately need someone else to run the event as the internet won't be in until the end of next week.

Sorry!

:wavey:

anybody? :awww:

qualifying starts on Saturday

FiBeR
09-11-2008, 09:32 PM
ill take it :p

Taz Warrior
09-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Raul :worship:

savesthedizzle
09-11-2008, 10:23 PM
ill take it :p

I'm not sure if you are :scratch: or :worship:

But I know you are :rocker: :hug: for giving so much of your time to TT :speakles: :rocker2: :rocker2:

FiBeR
09-11-2008, 10:58 PM
:lol: im just killing myself this year so next year i can relax and hopefully more players are in and they fill in the gaps we re having right now...

this year has been crazy..TT has grown at an amazing speed and yet many players are just joining in out of nowhere..

i wouldnt like a tournament to get cancelled because of the lack of a manager :p so im betting on the fact after a while, some of the newcomers (which they re doing it right now) will get interested in managing, and the cycle gets going and going..

moreover, i feel in a way i add something particular to my tournaments.. not much but i add a bit of my flavour, which some like, some dont..

bottomline, there has been a great gap between mid 2007 and 2008.. i m just trying to make the slope as unnoticable as possible :lol: that's just it :shrug:

vmbf
09-12-2008, 01:23 AM
Hey FiBeR... If you need or want some help, I can be your assistant manager in Aracaju CH...

:rocker:

FiBeR
09-12-2008, 01:32 AM
Hey FiBeR... If you need or want some help, I can be your assistant manager in Aracaju CH...

:rocker:

:rocker: you got it! :D that would be :cool: :) obrigado

FiBeR
09-12-2008, 07:38 AM
:lol: not that it makes a diff..but we jump from tournament 53 (bucharest) to 55 and 56 :shrug:

:lol: tournament 54 (#) is missing in Int series above :p and we already have a 57.. just pointing that out :p

Alonsofz
09-12-2008, 07:23 PM
I'm sorry, but if I get excellent marks at school this 3 months, I'll get a great chance for my future, so I won't be able to run Metz. :sad:

eljab
09-12-2008, 07:26 PM
I'm sorry, but if I get excellent marks at school this 3 months, I'll get a great chance for my future, so I won't be able to run Metz. :sad:

don't be sorry to have great chance for your future :eek:

Labamba
09-12-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm sorry, but if I get excellent marks at school this 3 months, I'll get a great chance for my future, so I won't be able to run Metz. :sad:

no problem man, seems like you have a great reason to focus on school

hopefully someone can step up for the job? :wavey:

FiBeR
09-13-2008, 09:10 AM
should i open aracaju today? :wavey:

Labamba
09-13-2008, 10:32 AM
should i open aracaju today? :wavey:

:yeah:

FiBeR
09-13-2008, 05:51 PM
question:

Polish szczecin challenger has 4 qualifying matches for tomorrow..

since on saturday 2 days were played but they werent announced on the OOP (they said "second round matches start at 13 hrs.. not very nice)

should i extend Qualy Final Round to monday?

something like today those 4 matches and some 4 random matches of the monday OOP to be considered for qualy and MD?

Taz Warrior
09-13-2008, 06:40 PM
question:

Polish szczecin challenger has 4 qualifying matches for tomorrow..

since on saturday 2 days were played but they werent announced on the OOP (they said "second round matches start at 13 hrs.. not very nice)

should i extend Qualy Final Round to monday?

something like today those 4 matches and some 4 random matches of the monday OOP to be considered for qualy and MD?

I say leave it as it is as there's no guarantee that there'll be enough matches on Monday....fore xample there may only be 5/6 matches on Monday which would need to be used for qualies and first round :shrug:

FiBeR
09-13-2008, 07:05 PM
thanks gav


btw.. who is taking over metz? :confused: it should be open by now.. :tape:


btw..aracaju challenger up and running http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=131455 :wavey: vmbf :D

Marksman
09-13-2008, 08:59 PM
no problem man, seems like you have a great reason to focus on school

hopefully someone can step up for the job? :wavey:

I haven't managed a tournament yet this year, so I could get off the mark with Metz if you want? :wavey:

Labamba
09-13-2008, 09:34 PM
I haven't managed a tournament yet this year, so I could get off the mark with Metz if you want? :wavey:

that would be great :)

you can open it right away

FERNET
09-14-2008, 04:50 PM
Montevideo for me if possible
BU: Cali 2

FiBeR
09-14-2008, 06:54 PM
Beijing qualifying has 16 players already signed up in Beijing, and 11 alternatives..

should i expand the draw to 32?

Taz Warrior
09-14-2008, 07:20 PM
Beijing qualifying has 16 players already signed up in Beijing, and 11 alternatives..

should i expand the draw to 32?

No, with another ATP tournament and 3 challengers that week there should be plenty of spaces for everyone to play that week :)

FiBeR
09-14-2008, 07:22 PM
roger that gav :yeah:

Labamba
09-14-2008, 09:24 PM
two days left to apply

Time to find managers for this patch of tournaments, you have one week to apply. I'd like to see a great line-up of managers to finish of the season in style! :cool:

ps. don't forget to give back-up choices

October


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

06/10/2008 Vienna IH 32/16/16/8 ?
06/10/2008 Moscow IS 32/16/16/8 ?
06/10/2008 Stockholm IH 32/16/16/8 ?
06/10/2008 Asuncion CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
06/10/2008 Rennes CH IH 32/16/16/8 ?
13/10/2008 Madrid IH 64/32/32/16 ?
13/10/2008 Tashkent CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
13/10/2008 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
13/10/2008 Kolding CH IH 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Basel IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 St. Petersburg IC 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Lyon IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Seoul CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Paris IS 64/32/32/16 ?
27/10/2008 Cali 2 CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Busan CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Aachen CH IS 32/16/16/8 ?

vmbf
09-15-2008, 04:18 PM
Asuncion, Montevideo and Buenos Aires.

I'd like one of these three. :wavey:

Labamba
09-16-2008, 10:01 PM
October


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

06/10/2008 Vienna IH 32/16/16/8 tiptopdaisy
06/10/2008 Moscow IS 32/16/16/8 Garlichead
06/10/2008 Stockholm IH 32/16/16/8 Troickitard
06/10/2008 Asuncion CH CL 32/16/16/8 vmbf
06/10/2008 Sacramento CH H 32/16/16/8 kai_soad
13/10/2008 Madrid IH 64/32/32/16 ?
13/10/2008 Tashkent CH H 32/16/16/8 Gavnich77
13/10/2008 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 FERNET
13/10/2008 Kolding CH IH 32/16/16/8 Kielian
20/10/2008 Basel IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 St. Petersburg IH 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Lyon IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
20/10/2008 Seoul CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 diego36arg
27/10/2008 Paris IS 64/32/32/16 FiBeR & Troickitard
27/10/2008 Cali 2 CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Busan CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Aachen CH IS 32/16/16/8 ?

Labamba
09-16-2008, 10:03 PM
Friday's threads


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

06/10/2008 Vienna IH 32/16/16/8 tiptopdaisy
06/10/2008 Moscow IS 32/16/16/8 Garlichead
06/10/2008 Stockholm IH 32/16/16/8 Troickitard
06/10/2008 Asuncion CH CL 32/16/16/8 vmbf
06/10/2008 Sacramento CH H 32/16/16/8 kai_soad

kai.
09-16-2008, 10:34 PM
Friday's threads


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

06/10/2008 Vienna IH 32/16/16/8 tiptopdaisy
06/10/2008 Moscow IS 32/16/16/8 Garlichead
06/10/2008 Stockholm IH 32/16/16/8 Troickitard
06/10/2008 Asuncion CH CL 32/16/16/8 vmbf
06/10/2008 Sacramento CH H 32/16/16/8 kai_soad


so, i should open the thread this friday?

FiBeR
09-16-2008, 11:01 PM
viernes, friday :p

kai.
09-17-2008, 05:50 AM
viernes, friday :p

thanks :hug:

Zirconek
09-17-2008, 01:21 PM
the "TT Dulce Delete" thread was deleted :awww: :lol:

what happened to the duels threads ARG vs. BRA and CRO vs. ARG, were they deleted? :sad: can't find them :awww:

FiBeR
09-17-2008, 07:20 PM
the "TT Dulce Delete" thread was deleted :awww: :lol:

what happened to the duels threads ARG vs. BRA and CRO vs. ARG, were they deleted? :sad: can't find them :awww:

:eek: you scared the hell out of me :lol: i read de leche and i was about to cry :bigcry:

yeah.. :( they deleted the thread ..just when i was taking over it :lol:

:( stop deleting threads :tears:

Zirconek
09-17-2008, 07:32 PM
:eek: you scared the hell out of me :lol: i read de leche and i was about to cry :bigcry:

yeah.. :( they deleted the thread ..just when i was taking over it :lol:

:( stop deleting threads :tears:

they better don't mess with the TT DDL :armed:

the TT Luso is dead :awww:, we might join the TT DDL :)

and yes, stop deleting threads :(

FiBeR
09-17-2008, 08:10 PM
:bounce: DDL's doors have been open for a long time for everyone who wants to join and have a nice time with us :rolls:

:rocker2:

FiBeR
09-18-2008, 03:47 PM
im not sure what to do with kostas kastoria in beijing..

he committed to another tournament after committing to beijing but never withdrew..

boarder35m has told me through pm he notified him but he hasnt done anything :lol: :shrug:

should i take him out of beijing's qualy? im not sure what to do :lol:

JMG told me to erase him from the entry list :lol: :shrug:

Boarder35m
09-18-2008, 05:25 PM
im not sure what to do with kostas kastoria in beijing..

he committed to another tournament after committing to beijing but never withdrew..

boarder35m has told me through pm he notified him but he hasnt done anything :lol: :shrug:

should i take him out of beijing's qualy? im not sure what to do :lol:

JMG told me to erase him from the entry list :lol: :shrug:

Oh I´m sorry there has been a missunderstanding. :p

Kostas Kastoris withdrew from Trnava after I wrote him the pm, so I guess his commitment for Beijing will still be valid. :)

FiBeR
09-18-2008, 05:54 PM
:spit:

ok.. against JMG's suggestions (thanks for the input :clap2:) ill re-add kostas kastoria to the Beijing qualy draw..

Peta Pan
09-21-2008, 01:51 AM
I just wanted to tell managers that the links being used in the link post at the start of the TT threads is linking to last years rankings and last years Rules thread.

(You know, the post with the links to the world time clock, rules, tb rules etc?)

:)

FiBeR
09-21-2008, 02:12 AM
:lol: yeah i noticed that long time ago.. i think someone corrected it once or twice,.. i did it once or twice, but you know..managers usually copy randomly tournaments' first page so it is kind of useless to do it :lol: cos there will be always someone copying a wrong tournament :rolls: and besides no one actually checks that :lol: it is a mere formality..

maybe from next year if we do it from the start :p

savesthedizzle
09-21-2008, 02:52 AM
:lol: yeah i noticed that long time ago.. i think someone corrected it once or twice,.. i did it once or twice, but you know..managers usually copy randomly tournaments' first page so it is kind of useless to do it :lol: cos there will be always someone copying a wrong tournament :rolls: and besides no one actually checks that :lol: it is a mere formality..

maybe from next year if we do it from the start :p

Usually copy a random tournaments first page?

Really? Is that what people do?

I use the Standard Tournament Thread in here that Ville was so nice to make for everyone :awww: :rolls: I've never copied a random tournament's first page :rolls:

FiBeR
09-21-2008, 02:57 AM
yeah..

:p usually as I manage a lot I copy my own tournament's first page :lol: cos it is easier and simplier to click on "EDIT", copy-paste everything, then paste it directly

other than click on "quote",.. erase the "(quote)(/quote)" and adding the personal touch :shrug:

im not the only one doing this :p ive noticed some players forget to edit some of the stuff at first, like the deadline or when on post 1 it says i.e. "TT : bucharest day 1" even if they re playing lets say beijing, they sometimes forget to edit that part :p which is fun to spot what tourney are they getting the front posts from :lol:

savesthedizzle
09-21-2008, 02:59 AM
I never thought to do that. :rolls: I always copy the Standard Tournament Thread. I have every single time I've managed :rolls:

FiBeR
09-21-2008, 03:04 AM
well.. u always learn something new :p :hug:

Peta Pan
09-21-2008, 07:52 AM
:lol: yeah i noticed that long time ago.. i think someone corrected it once or twice,.. i did it once or twice, but you know..managers usually copy randomly tournaments' first page so it is kind of useless to do it :lol: cos there will be always someone copying a wrong tournament :rolls: and besides no one actually checks that :lol: it is a mere formality..

maybe from next year if we do it from the start :p

Well apparantly I DID check it or I wouldn't have noticed now ;)

Ok, it was the first time I'd done it all season, but I wanted to know my ranking and clicked on it in the tournament thread and it was 2007 rankings and I was suddenly 35 places higher :p

Boarder35m
09-21-2008, 11:50 AM
Am I right if I don´t accept the comitment by the player called Andre Agassi in Trnava?

He or she committed to Bangkok and forgot to send for quallies and was replaced by ALT. 6 minutes after this was posted in the TT Bangkok threat, Andre Agassi committed for Trnava (The deadline was extended as there are only 30 players here). :p

Labamba
09-21-2008, 12:17 PM
^you're right, don't accept

FiBeR
09-21-2008, 05:20 PM
3 matches for monday OOP beijing

should it be a 2-day round?

Labamba
09-21-2008, 07:16 PM
^absolutely

Labamba
09-21-2008, 11:07 PM
Friday's threads


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

06/10/2008 Vienna IH 32/16/16/8 tiptopdaisy
06/10/2008 Moscow IS 32/16/16/8 Garlichead
06/10/2008 Stockholm IH 32/16/16/8 Troickitard
06/10/2008 Asuncion CH CL 32/16/16/8 vmbf
06/10/2008 Sacramento CH H 32/16/16/8 kai_soad


Garlichead, Moscow? :wavey:

Boarder35m
09-22-2008, 01:37 PM
There is a player seeded in both Trnava and Grenoble main draw this week.
He committed as Late entry in Trnava and sent picks for today but he never withdrew from Grenoble.

Does Grenoble draw have to be changed now and can I accept his picks for Trnava allthough he never withdrew from Grenoble?

FiBeR
09-22-2008, 01:54 PM
:help: only 3 matches in Beijing ATP for today..and only 2 matches for tomorrow :help:

what should i do? this is like the worst tournament ever (topping 2007 Mumbai :( )

having 5 first round matches in 2 days.. is that enough for a first round in singles and doubles?

Labamba
09-22-2008, 02:01 PM
:help: only 3 matches in Beijing ATP for today..and only 2 matches for tomorrow :help:

what should i do? this is like the worst tournament ever (topping 2007 Mumbai :( )

having 5 first round matches in 2 days.. is that enough for a first round in singles and doubles?

for doubles you can have 3 days, two days will have to do for singles

Labamba
09-22-2008, 02:02 PM
There is a player seeded in both Trnava and Grenoble main draw this week.
He committed as Late entry in Trnava and sent picks for today but he never withdrew from Grenoble.

Does Grenoble draw have to be changed now and can I accept his picks for Trnava allthough he never withdrew from Grenoble?

He should be removed from Grenoble.

eljab
09-22-2008, 04:53 PM
He should be removed from Grenoble.

He is.;)
Thanks Boarder for asking, and vile for answer.
I was in doubt about change the draw with a bye for a seed, but i finally had the answer.

FiBeR
09-23-2008, 01:51 AM
can i manage busan CH? :help:

ive done the math and im on the manager's front page in 13 tourneys this year :lol: i dont want to have that number :tears:

maldini
09-24-2008, 10:10 AM
I have now used my doubles PR for the first time @ Bangkok...is anyone keeping track of that? How many can I use and is there a "deadline" until when I can use them?
(I used Singles PR once for the Olympics, but probably won't need it anymore now :p)
Thanks :wavey:

pavkata
09-24-2008, 10:14 AM
Hello everyone, I want to apologize for what happened in New Haven, but my PC broke, I thought it was the LAN card, but it was some other hardware problem. Sorry for all the inconvenience.
I will not ask for any more tournaments to manage in the future, because I feel embarrassed of what happened.
Have fun, everyone!

Labamba
09-24-2008, 11:19 AM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

13/10/2008 Madrid IH 64/32/32/16 Boarder35m & adee-gee
13/10/2008 Tashkent CH H 32/16/16/8 Gavnich77
13/10/2008 Montevideo CH CL 32/16/16/8 FERNET
13/10/2008 Kolding CH IH 32/16/16/8 Kielian



Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

20/10/2008 Basel IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 St. Petersburg IH 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Lyon IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
20/10/2008 Seoul CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 diego36arg
27/10/2008 Paris IS 64/32/32/16 FiBeR & Troickitard
27/10/2008 Cali 2 CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Busan CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
27/10/2008 Aachen CH IS 32/16/16/8 ?

Labamba
09-24-2008, 11:24 AM
can i manage busan CH? :help:

ive done the math and im on the manager's front page in 13 tourneys this year :lol: i dont want to have that number :tears:

It's the same week as Paris :shrug:

I have now used my doubles PR for the first time @ Bangkok...is anyone keeping track of that? How many can I use and is there a "deadline" until when I can use them?
(I used Singles PR once for the Olympics, but probably won't need it anymore now :p)
Thanks :wavey:

I think Gav can answer how many you've got :) But it would be good if you could continue to report here after using one.

Hello everyone, I want to apologize for what happened in New Haven, but my PC broke, I thought it was the LAN card, but it was some other hardware problem. Sorry for all the inconvenience.
I will not ask for any more tournaments to manage in the future, because I feel embarrassed of what happened.
Have fun, everyone!

It's ok :hug:

Boarder35m
09-24-2008, 05:58 PM
Anybody for Madrid? :help: Or maybe two managers (singles/doubles)



If I get help I would like to manage Madrid. :)

I´m really having fun managing TT tournaments

Winnipeg
09-24-2008, 06:00 PM
ill manage basel

adee-gee
09-24-2008, 06:08 PM
If I get help I would like to manage Madrid. :)

I´m really having fun managing TT tournaments
I could help you out :hatoff:

Do you want to split singles and doubles? Which would you prefer?

Boarder35m
09-24-2008, 07:25 PM
I could help you out :hatoff:

Do you want to split singles and doubles? Which would you prefer?

I´d prefer singles. :p

It would be great to manage together with you :)

Labamba
09-24-2008, 10:26 PM
If I get help I would like to manage Madrid. :)

I´m really having fun managing TT tournaments

:worship:

You and Adam for Madrid it is :)

ill manage basel

no :p

If you're being serious about managing, you can ask for a challenger as that's where the new managers must start.

adee-gee
09-24-2008, 11:29 PM
I´d prefer singles. :p

It would be great to manage together with you :)
Ok no problem, I'll take doubles :p

Look forward to it ;)

TankingTheSet
09-25-2008, 10:58 PM
Not a lot of activity in the Mons thread (no entry list) -- is Spadea TT able to manage it?

Spadea TT
09-27-2008, 07:15 PM
Assistant manager needed in Mons, only to recieve my picks and those of my opponent. Thanks in advance.

Colt th magnific
09-28-2008, 08:49 AM
Assistant manager needed in Mons, only to recieve my picks and those of my opponent. Thanks in advance.

If you want :wavey:

Spadea TT
09-28-2008, 10:36 AM
If you want :wavey:
Thank you very much :worship:

Alonsofz
09-29-2008, 02:19 AM
TT Board :wavey:

In Tokyo, first match was supposed to start about one hour ago. It seems to be raining there, as there's a WTA match now on Central Court scoreboard (CC has roof).
The thing is that my partner didn't send picks before the deadline so we've got replaced by another team, but he sent them about 20 minutes ago... shouldn't be the picks counted as mens matches didn't start yet? :shrug:

:wavey:

FiBeR
09-29-2008, 02:36 AM
yeah but diffs were posted, and 6 out of 11 of my picks (and a lot of srs ) were posted cos they were diffs..
so basically my rival already could have got a big advantage over my picks..

tricky one..

play was supposed to start 1 hr before zxcv (alonsofz's partner) sent in picks.. and exactly 30 mins after diffs were posted

im not saying he checked the diffs (i dont even know what he picked or didnt) but it could be unfair to me, as well as other players, who did send in time.. and get to be in disadvantage in this case..cos at least in my case, more than 50% of my picks were shown...

TankingTheSet
09-29-2008, 02:53 AM
I am the manager of Tokyo, and my understanding is that players that send picks after the scheduled start of play (the deadline listed in the OOP) in the first round are replaced by LLs. zxcv sent picks 59 minutes after the deadline, later vamos israel also sent picks.


tricky one..


It's not a tricky one. I don't think the fact that diffs were posted has anything to do with it. If you send late (after the deadline) for the first round, you're out if there are LLs available.

FiBeR
09-29-2008, 03:17 AM
it does have to do..it makes a lot of a difference..cos if the board accepts to bring back the player(s) into the draw, i(or rivals) could get a huge disadvantage.. i think things could have been different if differences havent been posted, at least it could have been a lot more arguable the fact of bringing the player back to the draw since matches havent started. Moreover deadlines are deadlines :p and in this case, diffs were posted...

i can see both sides of the issue :rolls: but i wont take sides cos i see things as a player and as a manager too :lol: ill only take the "rival of the person involved" side :rolls: and leave it up to the board

vamos israel
09-29-2008, 04:23 AM
I am the manager of Tokyo, and my understanding is that players that send picks after the scheduled start of play (the deadline listed in the OOP) in the first round are replaced by LLs. zxcv sent picks 59 minutes after the deadline, later vamos israel also sent picks.



It's not a tricky one. I don't think the fact that diffs were posted has anything to do with it. If you send late (after the deadline) for the first round, you're out if there are LLs available.

its your problem.
you shouldent post diffs till the first point in the first match is on the board!
zxcv and i send the picks in our late its truth,but the games didnt start,so we should enjoy the situation and continue as usual.
the LL spot should be default, not a prize to the people who send their picks on time.
the LL are players that rank lowest then us(the MD players) and also lost once in the Q.
they should play only if there is no other choice.
if Ivan Navarro wont show up in 2:00 AM to play,but becuse of the rain,CIPOLLA wont come out to the curt,and one our later,Navarro shows up,and ready to play,do you think the organizers will put LL insted of him? no way.

think twice before you blame us in this problem.
in the bottom line,you shouldent post diffs and you know it.
zxcv and i shouldent pay becuse of your mistake :rolleyes:

Labamba
09-29-2008, 08:21 AM
The deadline for sending picks in ATP tournaments with scoreboards is when the first point is played in a match that is used for TT...the rain can and has helped many people in the past to avoid being replaced by a LL.

The manager should have waited for the ATP matches to start before posting the diffs and I don't think any of the late tippers took advantage of knowing what their opponents picked. Those people who sent before the first ATP match started should be brought back in my opinion.

adee-gee
09-29-2008, 08:35 AM
Agree with Ville ^.

TankingTheSet
09-29-2008, 10:26 AM
The deadline for sending picks in ATP tournaments with scoreboards is when the first point is played in a match that is used for TT...the rain can and has helped many people in the past to avoid being replaced by a LL.

The manager should have waited for the ATP matches to start before posting the diffs and I don't think any of the late tippers took advantage of knowing what their opponents picked. Those people who sent before the first ATP match started should be brought back in my opinion.

It was very hard to determine whether play started, because it often happens that matches start before appearing on the scoreboard, it took a while to determine that the WTA match was the only one being played.

I don't agree with this, I think the rule as I applied it is much more logical and fair, but given the board opinion I will have to reinstate the players who sent after the deadline (zxcv and vamos israel) and remove two LLs.

Zirconek
09-29-2008, 10:33 AM
its your problem.
you shouldent post diffs till the first point in the first match is on the board!
zxcv and i send the picks in our late its truth,but the games didnt start,so we should enjoy the situation and continue as usual.
the LL spot should be default, not a prize to the people who send their picks on time.
the LL are players that rank lowest then us(the MD players) and also lost once in the Q.
they should play only if there is no other choice.
if Ivan Navarro wont show up in 2:00 AM to play,but becuse of the rain,CIPOLLA wont come out to the curt,and one our later,Navarro shows up,and ready to play,do you think the organizers will put LL insted of him? no way.

think twice before you blame us in this problem.
in the bottom line,you shouldent post diffs and you know it.
zxcv and i shouldent pay becuse of your mistake :rolleyes:


players have to be at the venue (player's lounge, locker room) waiting for the start of match, and not stay at the hotel :p

JeffCandoi
09-29-2008, 10:42 AM
more one :retard: decision...

like I said in TT tournament thread.. When TTS posted the OOP.. he told us the deadline.. who was waiting for rain? all players knew about the deadline... so after the deadline is late! it is clear as water.. who is the blind?

what a shame !

FiBeR
09-29-2008, 11:20 AM
so I who sent in picks in time and form, im the one with the disadvantage having 6 out of 11 of my picks shown and 7 out of 10 SRs shown too..

yeah, that's fair enough, ..:rolleyes:

diego36arg
09-29-2008, 11:32 AM
This rule clearly favors those who do not meet the timetable. It is a pity.
In the first round that decides the schedule has to be the start of the day, beyond whether it rains or not.
It is my humble opinion.

JeffCandoi
09-29-2008, 12:30 PM
correct Diego..of course!

Boarder35m
09-29-2008, 01:34 PM
This rule clearly favors those who do not meet the timetable. It is a pity.
In the first round that decides the schedule has to be the start of the day, beyond whether it rains or not.
It is my humble opinion.

I´d agree on that after having managed some challenger tournaments without livescoring.
There are challenger tournaments where there is no info whether matches have started at all. In my opinion it is very unfair to accept late picks in first round just depending on the fact that a tournament has a live score or not. :)

Taz Warrior
09-29-2008, 02:28 PM
I have to say that I agree with TTS on this - we can't expect managers to sit around all day waiting to determine when matches start. The deadline was clearly stated and it's not as if the late picks were sent by people who knew it was raining and delayed sending picks because of that.

FiBeR
09-29-2008, 02:44 PM
I have to say that I agree with TTS on this - we can't expect managers to sit around all day waiting to determine when matches start. The deadline was clearly stated and it's not as if the late picks were sent by people who knew it was raining and delayed sending picks because of that.

this is right.. last week i literally stood up until 4.40 am when play should have started at midnight of my timezone just because tal20 "forgot" to send picks..of course play started 4.45 am.. and was lucky cos of rain delay.. but.. i had to give up almost 5 hours to "do a good job" because of one person forgot to send picks and rain delay favoured that person..

it is hard for managers to do a good job when players keep doing this over and over..

also in grand slams i had trouble with people sending late picks as well as tons of other times.. it is clearly not fair for rivals and for managers.. specially knowing the fact the start of matches had been announced the day before, posted in the OOP and so.. and also crucial is the fact that differences had been posted, with the rival of the "late sender" picks on the spot..

whether the manager was right or not in posting diffs it is a slightly different issue.. in this case the board is being clearly unfair to those who did send in time, and got their picks exposed.. cos you re privileging those who sent picks after differences were posted..

if the board still favours late pickers senders knowing in this particular case the rivals of those late senders' picks were posted.. then i have no other choice but to announce my official retirement of the manager business right after Paris TMS... :wavey:

adee-gee
09-29-2008, 02:55 PM
this is right.. last week i literally stood up until 4.40 am when play should have started at midnight of my timezone just because tal20 "forgot" to send picks..of course play started 4.45 am.. and was lucky.. but.. i had to give up almost 5 hours to "do a good job" because of one person forgot to send picks and rain delay favoured that person..

it is hard for managers to do a good job when players keep doing this over and over..

also in grand slams i had trouble with people sending late picks as well as tons of other times.. it is clearly not fair for rivals and for managers.. specially knowing the fact the start of matches had been announced the day before, posted in the OOP and so.. and also crucial is the fact that differences had been posted, with the rival of the "late sender" picks on the spot..

whether the manager was right or not in posting diffs it is a slightly different issue.. in this case the board is being clearly unfair to those who did send in time, and got their picks exposed.. cos you re privileging those who sent picks after differences were posted..

if the board still favours late pickers senders knowing in this particular case the rivals of those late senders' picks were posted.. then i have no other choice but to announce my official retirement of the manager business right after Paris TMS... :wavey:
Very dramatic :o

You didn't "have" to wait up until play started to post differences. Managers aren't obliged to post them, and if there's a rain delay then there's even more reason to go to bed. Good management to stay up, I wouldn't have done it myself.

I highly doubt the late senders knew there would be rain, waited on the off chance the manager would post some differences and then use your picks to do theirs. You're the higher ranked player, so they had virtually no advantage in seeing your picks anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, there shouldn't even be a debate and the picks should be valid.

TankingTheSet
09-29-2008, 03:09 PM
Just to clarify, on normal days when there are no potential LLs I would wait for play to start and of course accept picks that are sent before the start of play, it's just that I feel in the first round with potential LL replacements a strict deadline is warranted.

adee-gee
09-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Just to clarify, on normal days when there are no potential LLs I would wait for play to start and of course accept picks that are sent before the start of play, it's just that I feel in the first round with potential LL replacements a strict deadline is warranted.
The strict deadline is when one point is played...otherwise it can get confusing. Ville often sends picks at say 10.02am when the deadline is 10.00am, but nothing has happened so obviously the picks count.

I don't blame you for anything, it's unfortunate.

FiBeR
09-29-2008, 03:57 PM
Very dramatic :o

You didn't "have" to wait up until play started to post differences. Managers aren't obliged to post them, and if there's a rain delay then there's even more reason to go to bed. Good management to stay up, I wouldn't have done it myself.

I highly doubt the late senders knew there would be rain, waited on the off chance the manager would post some differences and then use your picks to do theirs. You're the higher ranked player, so they had virtually no advantage in seeing your picks anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, there shouldn't even be a debate and the picks should be valid.


since i m not god and i dont know when rain is gonna stop, i stood up,..the easier thing would have been post diffs as soon as time was supposed to start and go to bed .. but i didnt, what you do or not do, then it is not my judgement to do.. if people are playing my tournaments, i want them to have diffs the moment the first ball starts, cos that's my policy.. if you want that to be something you do or not, that's not my problem.. i like to take it serious..

it may be fine not to post diffs and go to bed, but it is unfair to those who did send in time..

but you know, people dont always takes things serious, i mean, i know i know it is just a game, but anyway, i take it so serious id rather wait til the last person sends in picks awake, or the first ball starts, whatever comes first, cos i know if it is a close call,.. i wouldnt be sure if those picks were valid, and moreover, i wouldnt like players playing to not have differences just because someone is not taking things serious and messing with the whole system ..

if you dont care, then it is your call, and your way to manage..


you say you doubt late senders knew or not.. how sure are you? there is a huge gap of over 30 mins in both cases in which differences were posted, and picks were sent..

in my case, out of 11 picks, 7 (SEVEN) were posted in the way of "player A 2-0, player B 2-1, Player C 2-0, Player D 2-1"

how on earth is that FAIR..? so..u say for sure in those 30-45 min players "late" sending in picks, didnt have time to go to the thread, look up the OOP, and not accidentally check the post on page 1 (or last page) with the rival's picks? oh but that's not possible, isnt it?

im not saying the did it for sure, but.. with the same criteria.. you know for a fact on the way to post 6 they didnt check post 9?

so.. how on earth is that FAIR to players who are doing things the right way?

If someone is at fault, it is late senders.. not their rivals.. i m not ok with it..

if i have had 1 diff, i wouldnt mind.. but not when 64% of my picks were shown and 70% of my srs were shown too..

that is ridiculous..

adee-gee
09-29-2008, 04:09 PM
since i m not god and i dont know when rain is gonna stop, i stood up,..the easier thing would have been post diffs as soon as time was supposed to start and go to bed .. but i didnt, what you do or not do, then it is not my judgement to do.. if people are playing my tournaments, i want them to have diffs the moment the first ball starts, cos that's my policy.. if you want that to be something you do or not, that's not my problem.. i like to take it serious..
It's not a case of taking it seriously. Staying up till 4.45am or whatever it was is not necessary and will never be expected from managers.
but you know, people dont always takes things serious, i mean, i know i know it is just a game, but anyway, i take it so serious id rather wait til the last person sends in picks awake, or the first ball starts, whatever comes first, cos i know if it is a close call,.. i wouldnt be sure if those picks were valid, and moreover, i wouldnt like players playing to not have differences just because someone is not taking things serious and messing with the whole system ..
As above.
if you dont care, then it is your call, and your way to manage..
As above.
you say you doubt late senders knew or not.. how sure are you? there is a huge gap of over 30 mins in both cases in which differences were posted, and picks were sent..
The matches you had differences were both 50-50 matches. I'm saying it's unlikely that even if he did see your picks, it didn't really help in any way.
how on earth is that FAIR..? so..u say for sure in those 30-45 min players "late" sending in picks, didnt have time to go to the thread, look up the OOP, and not accidentally check the post on page 1 (or last page) with the rival's picks? oh but that's not possible, isnt it?
The manager made an innocent mistake. Stop making more of it and turning it into cheating accusations.

What wouldn't be fair is throwing someone out of the tournament when the rules state that a LL will replace someone if picks aren't sent when matches start.
that is ridiculous..
Would you say if you'd won the match against the "late" sender but would have lost to the LL? Your opponent had good picks, I'm sure you can get over the loss.

balloon
09-29-2008, 04:10 PM
so I who sent in picks in time and form, im the one with the disadvantage having 6 out of 11 of my picks shown and 7 out of 10 SRs shown too..

yeah, that's fair enough, ..:rolleyes:



it sucks for you, i agree

in beijing, some clown sent picks hours after 1st match started, and you did not post any differences, staying up very late till the person has sent in. great manager :angel:

FiBeR
09-29-2008, 04:41 PM
adam, how dare you :mad: i posted a complain as soon as matches started, not after i got the results, and thats cheap and low of you...and you re saying im accusing someone of cheating (which i m not),..

a) im not accusing anyone of cheating
b) im not whinning cos i lost, i posted a complain as soon as i found out last night, then went to bed, then woke up and got back to check results and gave u guys time to make decisions..
c) you re saying im only complaining cos i lost and to gain an advantage, and that's kind of insulting
d) next time you play a tournament, id like to know how much you d enjoy having your rival visible information of lets say all of the 50-50 matches you pick and call it fair
e) as said for 5th-ish time.. you re lookin only at the "late" sender side, how about looking at the guys doing the right thing from the start?

btw.. thanks for your thoughts about me as a player :wavey: and thanks for the appreciation :)

TMJordan
09-29-2008, 04:55 PM
I think "The board" is a bit of a joke at times and big decisions like this should be voted on by the players.

JeffCandoi
09-29-2008, 05:44 PM
I think "The board" is a bit of a joke at times and big decisions like this should be voted on by the players.

I agree 100% .. it is being unfair

Taz Warrior
09-29-2008, 05:51 PM
The problem here is that the rule is too subjective and open to interpretation (see everyone's different opinions above).

Maybe the answer is to modify the rule going forwards and state that the original deadline always stands and all picks after this deadline will be treated as late whether matches have started or not :shrug:

adee-gee
09-29-2008, 05:55 PM
adam, how dare you :mad: i posted a complain as soon as matches started, not after i got the results, and thats cheap and low of you...and you re saying im accusing someone of cheating (which i m not),..

a) im not accusing anyone of cheating
b) im not whinning cos i lost, i posted a complain as soon as i found out last night, then went to bed, then woke up and got back to check results and gave u guys time to make decisions..
c) you re saying im only complaining cos i lost and to gain an advantage, and that's kind of insulting
d) next time you play a tournament, id like to know how much you d enjoy having your rival visible information of lets say all of the 50-50 matches you pick and call it fair
e) as said for 5th-ish time.. you re lookin only at the "late" sender side, how about looking at the guys doing the right thing from the start?

btw.. thanks for your thoughts about me as a player :wavey: and thanks for the appreciation :)
I apologise, perhaps what I said was too strong. But it doesn't change my view on things. The players involved have said they didn't look at the picks, and I'd like to think they're telling the truth. But as I say, they gain very little from knowing your picks. Alansk once joked he'd post his picks in the thread the night before the matches and wouldn't really lose anything, people still have to usually pick what they think will happen (unless they see you've made one crazy pick in which case they can just copy the rest and pick this one favourite).

I'm looking at it from both sides. I'm totally neutral in this. I've never said a word to vamos israel or zxcv in my life. My view is it would be a lot more unfair to remove them from the tournament when they didn't break any rules. I sympathise with you, but I think it was poor picks rather than anything dodgy which led to you losing.

Boarder35m
09-29-2008, 05:58 PM
The problem here is that the rule is too subjective and open to interpretation (see everyone's different opinions above).

Maybe the answer is to modify the rule going forwards and state that the original deadline always stands and all picks after this deadline will be treated as late whether matches have started or not :shrug:

I very much agree to that.

As this is a problem that occours only in 2 rounds of a tournament, maybe the rule could be specified for these 2 round like: In LL rounds the deadline posted by the manager is a deadline whether matches have started or not.

adee-gee
09-29-2008, 05:58 PM
Maybe the answer is to modify the rule going forwards and state that the original deadline always stands and all picks after this deadline will be treated as late whether matches have started or not :shrug:
I would disagree with this.

Where do you draw the line? If you set the deadline at 10.00am, if someone sends picks at 10.00 and 30 seconds, their picks don't count? Matches wouldn't start still 10.10 or so anyway. I think it's very clear as it is, picks are allowed until the first point is played.

Taz Warrior
09-29-2008, 06:09 PM
I would disagree with this.

Where do you draw the line? If you set the deadline at 10.00am, if someone sends picks at 10.00 and 30 seconds, their picks don't count? Matches wouldn't start still 10.10 or so anyway. I think it's very clear as it is, picks are allowed until the first point is played.

Whether the deadline is 10.00 or 10.10 (allowing for a 10 minute warmup) is irrelevant at this stage - the point I'm making is that if there's a strict deadline imposed then everyone's in the same boat and there's no ambiguity in the rules.

KalleOnAir
09-29-2008, 06:34 PM
the rule was always: first point played -> TT matches started...always!

I think the board-decisions are very good, I can't remember a bad decision from the board.

stealthisnick
09-29-2008, 06:45 PM
I don't see any point of discussion
there is a rule, fair or unfair, that has been observed for all the season (and even before)
when you have a livescore you are in time til the first point is played

is it fair to change the rule for only one tournament or for only one or two players?

savesthedizzle
09-29-2008, 11:31 PM
the rule was always: first point played -> TT matches started...always!

I think the board-decisions are very good, I can't remember a bad decision from the board.

Yes, this has been the rule for as long as TT has existed on MTF. I don't know how some players and managers have maybe been confused on this issue, but it's always been the rule.

Yet there are some problems with it.

The main problem I think is from a consistency standpoint, that all tournaments should essentially be run the same way. I think there's no harm in saying picks are final in the time listed on the OOP. That way both challenger managers and tour level managers are using the same rules and whether there are live scores or not becomes irrelevant. :shrug:

There has never been an issue with the rule the way it is until now, so it has worked fine in the past, and I thought it was well-known the way it worked.

But I do recognize the complaints coming from both sides. We're almost at the off-season now, and this should probably be noted as something to be discussed if enough people feel strongly about it.

That said, I think the correct actions have been taken in this situation. No decision would have made everyone happy. It was going to be unfair for someone no matter what was made, but we had to go by the rules that are already in place. Maybe this issue should be up for debate in a month.

Labamba
09-30-2008, 09:36 PM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

20/10/2008 Basel IS 32/16/16/8 Garlichead
20/10/2008 St. Petersburg IH 32/16/16/8 Colt th magnific
20/10/2008 Lyon IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
20/10/2008 Seoul CH H 32/16/16/8 Spadea TT
20/10/2008 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 diego36arg


still need 3 managers for this week :help:

c'mon guys, only couple of weeks until the off-season, lots of time to rest then :p

Snoo Foo
10-01-2008, 12:55 AM
Why are late picks ever accepted? If there's a scheduled start of play, why can't the rule just be that everyone sends picks by that time or he loses (or gets replaced by a LL), and none of this 10 minutes warmup crap, how hard is it to get your goddamn picks in on time? If something happens to your internets or whatever, then tough shit, you can play another tournament next week. If I were a TT manager (and I never will be) I wouldn't want to have to sort through late picks trying to figure out which matches had started and which hadn't and whether I should post diffs and all this boolschetts.

savesthedizzle
10-01-2008, 01:37 AM
Is there anyone out there willing to assist me in Stockholm this weekend? I didn't realize quite how busy my weekend is, and at times that might make running quallies difficult... so if anyone wants to help me out with qualifying this weekend, I'd really appreciate it :D Let me know :)

rvugt
10-01-2008, 06:51 AM
Well, I ruined a lot of tournaments already, as being a bad manager and not having time, but I guess I might help you with the tournament. Just let me know what you want me to do!

Labamba
10-01-2008, 08:02 AM
Is there anyone out there willing to assist me in Stockholm this weekend? I didn't realize quite how busy my weekend is, and at times that might make running quallies difficult... so if anyone wants to help me out with qualifying this weekend, I'd really appreciate it :D Let me know :)

I can help too :wavey:

Garlichead
10-01-2008, 08:28 AM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

20/10/2008 Basel IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 St. Petersburg IH 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Lyon IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
20/10/2008 Seoul CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 diego36arg


still need 3 managers for this week :help:

c'mon guys, only couple of weeks until the off-season, lots of time to rest then :p

I can do Basel.
Two to go :p

maldini
10-01-2008, 08:51 AM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

20/10/2008 Basel IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 St. Petersburg IH 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Lyon IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
20/10/2008 Seoul CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 diego36arg


still need 3 managers for this week :help:

c'mon guys, only couple of weeks until the off-season, lots of time to rest then :p

Sorry I can't do any in that week, as I'll be going too often to the Basel tourney to guarantee a smooth managing ;)

Colt th magnific
10-01-2008, 09:34 AM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

20/10/2008 Basel IS 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 St. Petersburg IH 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Lyon IS 32/16/16/8 Boarder35m
20/10/2008 Seoul CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
20/10/2008 Buenos Aires CH CL 32/16/16/8 diego36arg


still need 3 managers for this week :help:

c'mon guys, only couple of weeks until the off-season, lots of time to rest then :p

:mad: It's not easy to manage at work :sad:

But if nobody wants St Petersburg, i can try ...

Labamba
10-02-2008, 07:43 AM
I can do Basel.
Two to go :p

thanks :yeah:

:mad: It's not easy to manage at work :sad:

But if nobody wants St Petersburg, i can try ...

You're the only one right now...

and we still need somebody for Seoul

Spadea TT
10-02-2008, 11:05 AM
I can manage a tournament that week. Only on Tuesday I can't tell diffs when play starts...

Labamba
10-02-2008, 05:07 PM
I can manage a tournament that week. Only on Tuesday I can't tell diffs when play starts...

Would Seoul time difference be a problem? Diffs don't have to be posted right after the play has started.

eljab
10-02-2008, 05:33 PM
:mad: It's not easy to manage at work :sad:

But if nobody wants St Petersburg, i can try ...

I can assist you :p

Spadea TT
10-02-2008, 05:55 PM
Would Seoul time difference be a problem? Diffs don't have to be posted right after the play has started.

ok, I can do Seoul ;)