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ExcaliburII
03-01-2008, 02:25 PM
YOU BASTARS ANSWER My PrOPOSAL ABOut The NEWbies Or STEBE WIL SEND YOU TO TRASH OF HELL!!1!!!1 :mad: :fiery: :armed: :boxing:

I propose to ban Edu, he is being rude.

GustavoM_Fan
03-01-2008, 10:48 PM
bogota matches start time is 4:00 PM Greece Time.

kostas kastoria sent at 4:07 PM. but u have to remember the warm-up (10 minutes or more) .
there is no rule about this . so we have to use common sense and accept kostas picks for the TT Bogota qualies

eljab
03-02-2008, 01:36 AM
Respect the manager is not a TT rule.
The common sense is anyway to respect the manager.

At 4.05 the manager said a LL was accepted and difference were done.
It would be definitely unfair for these LL to be out for a player who is late.

The common sense is not to punish a player who respect the rules and send his picks in times in benefit of someone who don't care with the rules and the respect.

over.:)

Tankman
03-02-2008, 06:46 AM
bogota matches start time is 4:00 PM Greece Time.

kostas kastoria sent at 4:07 PM. but u have to remember the warm-up (10 minutes or more) .
there is no rule about this . so we have to use common sense and accept kostas picks for the TT Bogota qualies

I really don't agree- it leaves too much room for interpretation and abuse. And yes there should be a rule about this.

The OOP start time should be the absolute deadline. Period. Its much easier for the managers that way- no need to look up obscure scoreboard/livescore pages to find out if play has started or not.

Tankman
03-02-2008, 06:47 AM
Respect the manager is not a TT rule.
The common sense is anyway to respect the manager.

At 4.05 the manager said a LL was accepted and difference were done.
It would be definitely unfair for these LL to be out for a player who is late.

The common sense is not to punish a player who respect the rules and send his picks in times in benefit of someone who don't care with the rules and the respect.

over.:)

Exactly how i'm thinking :yeah:

Strangelove
03-02-2008, 11:34 AM
Respect the manager :worship:

Strangelove
03-02-2008, 11:38 AM
If someone picks a nonsensical player (ie. a player who's not playing at all), is it considered common courtesy to PM the player, or is that frowned upon as unfair interference by the manager? :p

savesthedizzle
03-02-2008, 01:24 PM
If someone picks a nonsensical player (ie. a player who's not playing at all), is it considered common courtesy to PM the player, or is that frowned upon as unfair interference by the manager? :p

:scratch: :spit:

adee-gee
03-02-2008, 01:33 PM
If someone picks a nonsensical player (ie. a player who's not playing at all), is it considered common courtesy to PM the player, or is that frowned upon as unfair interference by the manager? :p
:lol: who did that?

I would PM the person ;)

Strangelove
03-02-2008, 01:47 PM
:lol: who did that?

I would PM the person ;)What, so you can make fun of him/her? :p

To be fair, when I posted the OOP the first round match hadn't been played yet. The picked player lost in the first round ;)

savesthedizzle
03-02-2008, 01:52 PM
Oh that's not as funny as I thought :p

I thought it would be like if I listed all my picks and then at the end of every list of picks put an extra Troicki 6-0 6-0. :rolls:

Snowwy
03-02-2008, 02:12 PM
Oh that's not as funny as I thought :p

I thought it would be like if I listed all my picks and then at the end of every list of picks put an extra Troicki 6-0 6-0. :rolls:

I dont think anyone would make that mistake, I dont think Troicki could beat a post 6-0 6-0 ;)

savesthedizzle
03-02-2008, 02:12 PM
I dont think anyone would make that mistake, I dont think Troicki could beat a post 6-0 6-0 ;)

:ras:

He could beat me 6-0 6-0 :tape: :rolls:

ExcaliburII
03-02-2008, 04:40 PM
Hernych def Troicki 64 75

GustavoM_Fan
03-02-2008, 05:30 PM
I always accepted picks till the 1st point :S.
In challengers I had waited 15 minutes

in challengers: considering the "warm-up", the rule should be 10 or 15 minutes after the begin. kostas kastoria didnt say nothing, but he had one of the better scores of the round, but his picks were not counted because apparenttly they were late. very unfair.

if u are trying to penalize him because his insults in the thread. it is ok. but u dont said nothing about this :confused:

but it is very unfair if u are not allowing him to play because their picks were "late" . in the moment kostas sent picks (7 minutes after the start) the players were doing the warm-up by sure.
And kostas of course didnt have chances to call by telephone and ask for scores (I will be surprised if this challenger has any tipe of livescores) :lol:. now doesnt have sense to change. but for the future there should be a rule

Labamba
03-02-2008, 07:26 PM
but for the future there should be a rule

This is the unwritten rule generally used in TT, now in writing:

tournament with livescores -> when the first point is played
tournament without a livescore -> when the match is supposed to start according to the oop (even hours...12.00)

It's not the managers job to guess how long the warm-up time is in each match...

GustavoM_Fan
03-02-2008, 07:58 PM
I think u must put 10 minutes more. I always done it in my tournaments

Filipo
03-02-2008, 09:19 PM
how many minutes will you give to a 2nd match in the OOP to decide how late are someone's picks and whether this match will count or not :p

ExcaliburII
03-02-2008, 09:21 PM
1 hour and a half if is a two setter, 2 hours and a half if is a 3 setter I beleive.

Labamba
03-02-2008, 09:33 PM
how many minutes will you give to a 2nd match in the OOP to decide how late are someone's picks and whether this match will count or not :p

90 minutes for each match

Zirconek
03-03-2008, 12:31 AM
we have a lot of new players and a big mess with commitments.
We could make a thread where new players should sign in for TT circuit, introduce themselves (if they want) and say "agree/I've read" the first post, this one with warnings about deadlines, expected cut-offs, etc... Unfortunately people often do not read the rules and info at the first posts of the TT tournament threads.

also, since now the threads are up on Friday, maybe commitments could begin on Sunday, so all threads are probably up.

edit: maybe info in Spanish too, since there are a lot of Spanish speakers.
just Cipa replied my post so far.
I was left alone here like happened before:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6286245&postcount=74


I guess it's a very silly question I brought, sorry for the incovenience and thank you very much for the attention. I surely deserved it.

AceMaker
03-03-2008, 02:26 AM
Only 4 matches for tomorrow in Bogota, i must change the singles schedule to 2 days?

FiBeR
03-03-2008, 05:12 AM
i think there is an unwritten rule that if the OOP has less than 5 matches on day 1, it is automatically a 2-day round :hug:

Labamba
03-03-2008, 08:09 AM
Only 4 matches for tomorrow in Bogota, i must change the singles schedule to 2 days?

It's up to you, but that might not be a bad idea.

Tankman
03-03-2008, 08:47 AM
i think there is an unwritten rule that if the OOP has less than 5 matches on day 1, it is automatically a 2-day round :hug:

I've never seen that used before. But it makes complete sense- should have done Kyoto like that :(

I guess now that the first round matches are over, its too late to tell everyone that we're going to have a 2-day round instead :o

maldini
03-03-2008, 08:58 AM
just Cipa replied my post so far.
I was left alone here like happened before:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6286245&postcount=74


I guess it's a very silly question I brought, sorry for the incovenience and thank you very much for the attention. I surely deserved it.

I favour the idea of some kind of welcome thread, this sounds nice...

I don't care actually when the threads go up, the managers have to do it on Fridays and if they don't, it's bad for their tourney IMO, so it's their own fault :shrug:

I don't think we have to do it in Spanish, we have DDL for that :p
If we do it in Spanish, they get used to that :p

ExcaliburII
03-03-2008, 09:26 AM
i think there is an unwritten rule that if the OOP has less than 5 matches on day 1, it is automatically a 2-day round :hug:

bullshit

Zirconek
03-03-2008, 04:02 PM
I favour the idea of some kind of welcome thread, this sounds nice...
yes, not just it's nice people introducing themselves - if they want - and then people already playing TT could do the same, but also to make sure the new players will have an idea about the TT circuit and rules. :)



I don't care actually when the threads go up, the managers have to do it on Fridays and if they don't, it's bad for their tourney IMO, so it's their own fault :shrug:
yes, and players should pay attention to the calendar, I mean, the tournaments of the week, but they don't do it and register to first thread they see and then want to change later, it's also the players fault. It was just an idea to help these players and the managers too, decreasing the rate of WD, people signing for two events of same week, etc.


I don't think we have to do it in Spanish, we have DDL for that :p
If we do it in Spanish, they get used to that :p
agreed, but we could have a Spanish version like ATP homepage (just for the introductory thread info post), and warn players English is the official language of the threads :p

maldini
03-03-2008, 08:39 PM
I will need Protected Ranking from next week on :wavey:

Labamba
03-03-2008, 09:05 PM
I guess it's a very silly question I brought, sorry for the incovenience and thank you very much for the attention. I surely deserved it.

It's a good idea, you can plan and start the thread if you like. We can make it a rule that every new player has to read it before being able to play.

I will need Protected Ranking from next week on :wavey:

Ok :yeah:

How long will you be away?

maldini
03-03-2008, 10:03 PM
Ok :yeah:

How long will you be away?

I'll be back on August 1st (if they don't force me to continue and become officer or something :p)...
I'll still be able to play PAW I think because I'm here on weekends, but no TT :shrug:

adee-gee
03-03-2008, 11:34 PM
just Cipa replied my post so far.
I was left alone here like happened before:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6286245&postcount=74

I guess it's a very silly question I brought, sorry for the incovenience and thank you very much for the attention. I surely deserved it.
Edu :awww: sorry didn't mean to ignore you.

I actually liked the idea. I'm trying to think why we made the decision to open threads on Friday instead of Sunday like before but I must confess, I can't quite remember why :scratch:

With regards to the Spanish thing, I'm not sure it's totally necessary most speak good English, and if they don't they can ask a Spanish speaker on here to explain....but if you or anyone else wants to write some explanations in Spanish then it certainly won't do any harm.
I will need Protected Ranking from next week on :wavey:
Take care Livio :hug: let us know how you're getting on when you get a chance :)

Zirconek
03-04-2008, 01:15 AM
It's a good idea, you can plan and start the thread if you like. We can make it a rule that every new player has to read it before being able to play.


Edu :awww: sorry didn't mean to ignore you.

I actually liked the idea. I'm trying to think why we made the decision to open threads on Friday instead of Sunday like before but I must confess, I can't quite remember why :scratch:

With regards to the Spanish thing, I'm not sure it's totally necessary most speak good English, and if they don't they can ask a Spanish speaker on here to explain....but if you or anyone else wants to write some explanations in Spanish then it certainly won't do any harm.


sorry, I overreacted in my post, you don't must reply to it :o
but it was my third attempt to get a reply, I tried first nicely, then funny/kastorialy and finally, ironic/rude :o

Ville, I'll write something, then I send to you or post here to be improved with sugestions. It should introduce the TT, the circuit and, especially, some advices, like about commitments, deadlines, way to send picks, rankings, how to find player activity, etc.

Adam, maybe having two weekends for first deadline is good if someone can't come to MTF fro a whole week, and some threads then were up just on Monday, I guess that's why :shrug:

about the info in Spanish, as you said, people don't have to have good English to play, and as there are a lot of Spanish speakers, maybe it could make things more clear to them. And I can't write in Spanish, just read :p

adee-gee
03-04-2008, 09:00 AM
sorry, I overreacted in my post, you don't must reply to it :o
but it was my third attempt to get a reply, I tried first nicely, then funny/kastorialy and finally, ironic/rude :o
I guess you've learned a lesson....rude is the way to be :p

Ville, I'll write something, then I send to you or post here to be improved with sugestions. It should introduce the TT, the circuit and, especially, some advices, like about commitments, deadlines, way to send picks, rankings, how to find player activity, etc.
It could also explain the concepts of "cagon and quality TT" ;)

maldini
03-04-2008, 10:10 AM
Take care Livio :hug: let us know how you're getting on when you get a chance :)

Yeah I will :yeah: (despite your avatar :p)

I guess you've learned a lesson....rude is the way to be :p

It could also explain the concepts of "cagon and quality TT" ;)

:haha:

Zirconek
03-04-2008, 03:31 PM
I guess you've learned a lesson....rude is the way to be :p


It could also explain the concepts of "cagon and quality TT" ;)

yes, but I don't like being rude :awww: :o
maybe I should learn something with Jeronimo :lol: like how to be nice and wishing good luck to yourself :lol:

I'll ask Felipe or Pablo to write about that. Don't know which school I belong :scratch: probably cagón :lol:

Tankman
03-04-2008, 09:43 PM
Ville, I'll write something, then I send to you or post here to be improved with sugestions. It should introduce the TT, the circuit and, especially, some advices, like about commitments, deadlines, way to send picks, rankings, how to find player activity, etc.
This is a great idea. :yeah: We always have so many new players who have no idea what's going on, or who lose interest and stop playing because of that.

It could also explain the concepts of "cagon and quality TT" ;)

:rolls:

Labamba
03-04-2008, 10:30 PM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

24/03/2008 Miami S H 128/64 Strangelove
24/03/2008 Miami D H 64/32 savestheday91
24/03/2008 Barletta CH CL 32/16/16/8 keqtqiadv


Friday's threads :wavey:

2 SE in Barletta

JM-Del-Potro
03-04-2008, 11:07 PM
if you want,I could manage Cremona :wavey:

Tankman
03-05-2008, 02:06 PM
I don't think I'll be able to manage the New Delhi CH, as I've just realised that I'm going to be very busy during that time preparing for uni exams. So I'm going to step aside and allow someone more capable and with more free time to manage it :wavey:

Enjoy Incubus
03-05-2008, 02:44 PM
And for the same reason as Tankman but mostly for the time-zone thing... I think I won't be able to run Hamburg :(
Actually... I think I'll have enough time, but most probably people will have to wait some hours to have differences cause I'll probably be at uni when matches start, and perhaps that can happen in a CH but it would be annoying for them to wait hours for differences in a MS event. Maybe I could handle much better with a tournament like Humacao where time-zone is not a problem for me. So if you don't mind, change it please... if you do, I won't complain and I'll run Hamburg anyway :wavey:

ExcaliburII
03-05-2008, 05:09 PM
I could run Hamburg if you like :wavey:

Labamba
03-06-2008, 08:43 PM
Dusseldorf if possible :wavey:

ok, be nice :p

Humacao please

I decided to give it to Enjoy Incubus, maybe something else?

I can run Aarhus unless someone else wants to :)

:yeah:

if you want,I could manage Cremona :wavey:

thanks, good to have new managers :cool:

And for the same reason as Tankman but mostly for the time-zone thing... I think I won't be able to run Hamburg :(
Actually... I think I'll have enough time, but most probably people will have to wait some hours to have differences cause I'll probably be at uni when matches start, and perhaps that can happen in a CH but it would be annoying for them to wait hours for differences in a MS event. Maybe I could handle much better with a tournament like Humacao where time-zone is not a problem for me. So if you don't mind, change it please... if you do, I won't complain and I'll run Hamburg anyway :wavey:

Humacao instead of Hamburg :)

I could run Hamburg if you like :wavey:

no, WTC for you

Labamba
03-06-2008, 08:47 PM
April


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/04/2008 Davis Cup II - 8 teams Gavnich77
07/04/2008 Humacao CH H 32/32/16/16 Enjoy Incubus
07/04/2008 Monza CH CL 32/32/16/16 TankingTheSet
14/04/2008 Estoril CL 32/16/16/8 ExcaliburII
14/04/2008 Valencia CL 32/16/16/8 Alonsofz
14/04/2008 Houston CL 32/16/16/8 Foosimoo
14/04/2008 Busan CH H 32/16/16/8 aussie_fan
14/04/2008 Athens CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
21/04/2008 Monte-Carlo CL 64/32/32/16 Forever-Delayed
21/04/2008 Bermuda CH CL 32/16/16/8 Snowwy
21/04/2008 Baton Rouge CH H 32/16/16/8 Kielian
21/04/2008 Cremona CH H 32/16/16/8 JM-Del-Potro
28/04/2008 Barcelona CL 64/32/32/16 savestheday91
28/04/2008 Munich CL 32/16/16/8 Labamba
28/04/2008 Tunis CH CL 32/16/16/8 eljab
28/04/2008 Prague CH CL 32/16/16/8 Zirconevs


May


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

05/05/2008 Rome CL 64/32/32/16 adeegeezinho
05/05/2008 Ostrava CH CL 32/16/16/8 Zirconevs
05/05/2008 Tunica Resorts CH ICL 32/16/16/8 Superior1
05/05/2008 Rabat CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
12/05/2008 Hamburg CL 64/32/32/16 ?
12/05/2008 Bordeaux CH CL 32/16/16/8 AceMaker
12/05/2008 Marrakech CH CL 32/16/16/8 tiptopdaisy
12/05/2008 Aarhus CH CL 32/16/16/8 Snowwy
19/05/2008 WTC Düsseldorf CL 8 teams ExcaliburII
19/05/2008 Casablanca CL 32/16/16/8 Strangelove
19/05/2008 Pörtschach CL 32/16/16/8 Allez-Alejo
19/05/2008 Fergana CH H 32/16/16/8 MuriloBrasil
19/05/2008 New Delhi CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
26/05/2008 Roland Garros S CL 128/128 ?
26/05/2008 Roland Garros D CL 64/64 FiBeR
26/05/2008 Izmir CH H 32/16/16/8 trucul

GustavoM_Fan
03-06-2008, 08:53 PM
kostas kastoria must be ATHENS CHALLENGER MANAGER ole ole ole :worship: :worship:

JMG
03-06-2008, 09:54 PM
Can Kostas do Athens?

ExcaliburII
03-06-2008, 09:57 PM
axaxaxaxaxaxax

ExcaliburII
03-06-2008, 10:02 PM
ok, be nice :p


no, WTC for you

I will be as nice as possible :haha:

Well its ok, if you dont find a manager for Hamburg Ill be here :wavey:

savesthedizzle
03-07-2008, 12:33 PM
Miami is up :)

Labamba
03-08-2008, 01:16 PM
I'll run Hamburg. RG singles is still open, we can consider having two managers for it, if it helps finding people to run it.

Tennis-Engineer
03-08-2008, 01:37 PM
I request to run New Delhi.

ExcaliburII
03-08-2008, 01:45 PM
I would like to do Roland Garros singles, and I have all day free but I wont be able to run it with Fiber :wavey:

Labamba
03-08-2008, 02:12 PM
I request to run New Delhi.

it's yours :yeah:

I would like to do Roland Garros singles, and I have all day free but I wont be able to run it with Fiber :wavey:

not a good idea :lol: I won't be removing Ray

Snowwy
03-08-2008, 02:14 PM
:yeah:

Didnt someone knew ask for Aachus also?

Allez-Alejo
03-08-2008, 03:48 PM
how come I didn't get a 2nd challenger? I asked for one early.

Caio_Brasil
03-08-2008, 04:24 PM
Pablo/Ray for Roland Garros :worship:

GustavoM_Fan
03-08-2008, 07:28 PM
who must to take athens optuns challenger???????

kostas what manager u liek to manage here????????''''''''

Labamba
03-08-2008, 07:32 PM
Didnt someone knew ask for Aachus also?

MuriloBrasil took Fergana instead, all the spots need to be filled.

how come I didn't get a 2nd challenger? I asked for one early.

Did you check my post above? Pick something and it's yours.

ExcaliburII
03-08-2008, 08:26 PM
it's yours :yeah:



not a good idea :lol: I won't be removing Ray

I know some managers are willing to run Roland Garros with me but notwith Fiber, but I am not asking you to remove Fiber from Roland Garros anyway. :wavey:

Albop
03-09-2008, 03:44 AM
can i ask a warning for this idiot

managers checked the IP
stfalila = gagm = despeinte = hues0 = weon = antofagasta = albop = QWE = tomas_cl , ............. = alonsofz

banning for 15 users

its gustavo_marcaccioFAN

:wavey:

ExcaliburII
03-09-2008, 07:29 AM
there is nothing bad about asking for a warning.

ExcaliburII
03-09-2008, 07:29 AM
remember it was him who discovered diego and the rest.

Allez-Alejo
03-09-2008, 07:32 AM
Well I can't take a Euro tournament out of respect to the participants.

Albop
03-09-2008, 04:37 PM
remember it was him who discovered diego and the rest.

thhis is to much men

Final Qualifying round


00:00 |Mago#01(ARG) vs (2)nolop (CHI). nolop didnt send picks yet



albop u forget to send picks with the nolop user :wavey:



any warning or something??

ExcaliburII
03-09-2008, 08:53 PM
:haha: :worship:

Zirconek
03-10-2008, 04:14 PM
It's great if the manager is entertaining, but he/she can't be disrespectful, and what was supposed to be a joke can be considered rude by some people.

ExcaliburII
03-11-2008, 04:03 PM
what will happen with Meknes and players commited to it?

I think all players should be allowed to play another CH without being Late entries.

Labamba
03-11-2008, 04:09 PM
what will happen with Meknes and players commited to it?

I think all players should be allowed to play another CH without being Late entries.

yes, that would be the case, no LE's for them

Don't give up yet, make the entry list and change the thread title, use some marketing skills to get the 16 players :p Shouldn't be too hard :shrug:

ExcaliburII
03-11-2008, 04:11 PM
4 more players.

If we have 16 players in singles but less than 8 doubles team, would we still have a doubles tournament?

FiBeR
03-11-2008, 04:18 PM
no, doubles tournament has to have at least 8 teams :shrug:

rvugt
03-11-2008, 09:15 PM
Hi, I was thinking about running a tournament soon. I saw that Athens was still free, 14-04-2008! Can I do that? Will be my first time, are there some things I really need to know??

Alonsofz
03-11-2008, 10:20 PM
Can a player play a challenger on IW's second week and play Miami's qualies?

Filipo
03-11-2008, 10:54 PM
Can a player play a challenger on IW's second week and play Miami's qualies?

Miami's qulies are in 3rd week :p

Alonsofz
03-11-2008, 10:56 PM
:lol:, I almost thought that :p, thanks :D

FiBeR
03-11-2008, 11:09 PM
Hi, I was thinking about running a tournament soon. I saw that Athens was still free, 14-04-2008! Can I do that? Will be my first time, are there some things I really need to know??


basically understanding of tie break rules, if you know the basics on how to decide a match in tie break, how to sort a draw, and stuff like that, there s no big secret behind a manager :p

rvugt
03-12-2008, 12:58 AM
I know that!! I've been playing very actively now for some weeks and I would like to try to be a manager! So Athens, here I come!!

Labamba
03-12-2008, 01:09 AM
:singer: Friday's new threads :singer:


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

31/03/2008 Napoli CH CL 32/32/16/16 tiptopdaisy
31/03/2008 St. Brieuc CH ICL 32/32/16/16 Gutturnio D.O.C.
07/04/2008 Davis Cup II - 8 teams Gavnich77


- 2 SE in Napoli & St. Brieuc
- Top 30 singles players can't play, others depending on success in Miami
- DC QF thread to be started also this week

rvugt
03-12-2008, 03:24 PM
One small question already! Of course I'm preparing for my tournament in Athens in April, but now I was wondering: How can I make a thread? I think I can't make one now, so do I need permission for that? Or something else??

Edit: Sorry too early! I already found how to make new threads!

ExcaliburII
03-13-2008, 04:46 AM
yes, that would be the case, no LE's for them

Don't give up yet, make the entry list and change the thread title, use some marketing skills to get the 16 players :p Shouldn't be too hard :shrug:

Give me the prize of manager of the year, now :worship:

Hotzenplotz
03-14-2008, 06:15 PM
:singer: Friday's new threads :singer:


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

31/03/2008 Napoli CH CL 32/32/16/16 tiptopdaisy
31/03/2008 St. Brieuc CH ICL 32/32/16/16 Gutturnio D.O.C.
07/04/2008 Davis Cup II - 8 teams Gavnich77


- 2 SE in Napoli & St. Brieuc
- Top 30 singles players can't play, others depending on success in Miami
- DC QF thread to be started also this week

Top 30 refers to the pre IW rankings here? :awww:

Labamba
03-14-2008, 07:12 PM
Top 30 refers to the pre IW rankings here? :awww:

yes :awww:

Deathless Mortal
03-14-2008, 08:27 PM
No Lanzarote this year? :sad:

trucul
03-14-2008, 10:43 PM
Can a player play Sarajevo Challenger qualies if he is still playing (in Doubles or Singles) Indian Wells that Friday (this is the case of Betty) ? Same question if he is still playing on Saturday.

Can a player be part of MD Sarajevo Challenger if he is still playing (in Doubles or Singles) Indian Wells that Friday (this is the case of Filipo / trucul) ? Same question if he is still playing on Saturday ?

Could you please clarify the rules ?

Thanks in advance.

Labamba
03-14-2008, 10:51 PM
Can a player play Sarajevo Challenger qualies if he is still playing (in Doubles or Singles) Indian Wells that Friday (this is the case of Betty) ? Same question if he is still playing on Saturday.

Can a player be part of MD Sarajevo Challenger if he is still playing (in Doubles or Singles) Indian Wells that Friday (this is the case of Filipo / trucul) ? Same question if he is still playing on Saturday ?

Could you please clarify the rules ?

Thanks in advance.

It's already answered in the Sarajevo thread :wavey:

Superior1
03-14-2008, 10:56 PM
Korvpipa / John John 210+162= 372
eljab / haute 173+199= 372

Which team takes the 14th and last place into the main draw?

Labamba
03-14-2008, 10:59 PM
Korvpipa / John John 210+162= 372
eljab / haute 173+199= 372

Which team takes the 14th and last place into the main draw?

count the total ranking points

Forever-Delayed
03-14-2008, 11:00 PM
Korvpipa / John John 210+162= 372
eljab / haute 173+199= 372

Which team takes the 14th and last place into the main draw?

The team with the highest number of combined ranking points

eljab
03-15-2008, 07:29 PM
The team with the highest number of combined ranking points

:confused:

I'm sorry but i don't understand what you want to say.
It doesn't really matter, because i'm pretty sure that one of the team in the MD will be out (cause of IW) but i'd like to understand.
Thanks. :worship:

maldini
03-15-2008, 07:41 PM
Chaque joueur a un nombre de points....
Alors tu additionnes les deux nombres pour chaque team. Le team avec le nombre plus haut sera avant l'autre dans l' "entry list".
C'est clair maintenant? :wavey:

ExcaliburII
03-15-2008, 11:06 PM
ITs 99% of the cases the team with the best ranked player of all the 4.

savesthedizzle
03-17-2008, 03:45 PM
Question regarding the doubles schedule for Miami.

When I posted the schedule, I took it from last year's Miami which looks like this:

Monday ~ TT Q1
Tuesday ~ TT Qualy Final Round
Wednesday ~ TT R64
Thursday & Friday ~ TT R32
Saturday & Sunday ~ TT R16
Monday & Tuesday TT QF
Wednesday & Thursday ~ TT SF
Friday & Sunday ~ TT Final

Or should it be the same as Indian Wells with a two day first round and a one day QF :shrug:

AceMaker
03-17-2008, 04:48 PM
Ville , i´m very sorry but I can not run the Bordeaux CH , I´ve a lot of troubles and have not time for be here in MTF.

Sorry again

Maurice

trucul
03-17-2008, 06:58 PM
I have a question related to TB rules, which occured in Doubles Tennis Tipping today. I used the following rules:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=114109

Both players are tied until TB3. For TB4, the decider is PTS1/PTS2/...

Player A picked:

Paul HANLEY/Leander PAES (AUS/IND) 64 63 (PTS1)
Arnaud CLEMENT/Mickael LLODRA (FRA/FRA) 64 63 (PTS2)

Player B picked:

Paul HANLEY/Leander PAES (AUS/IND) 64 76 (PTS1)
Arnaud CLEMENT/Mickael LLODRA (FRA/FRA) 63 64 (PTS2)

Result was:
Hanley/Paes 7/5 2/6 10-5
Clement/Llodra 6/3 5/7 10-2

My understanding of the rule is that both players have same for PTS1 (no correct scoreline), so we must move to PTS2. For PTS2, player B has correct scoreline for first set, so player B wins.

Am I correct or have I missed something in the rules ?

TankingTheSet
03-17-2008, 07:04 PM
My understanding of the rule is that both players have same for PTS1 (no correct scoreline), so we must move to PTS2. For PTS2, player B has correct scoreline for first set, so player B wins.

Am I correct or have I missed something in the rules ?

The current TB PTS rules do not award extra points for getting the set right with the right score. If you predict 6-3 first set, it doesn't matter if the real result is 6-3 first set or 6-3 second set (or third set), the PTS score is the same.

I am not a fan of this rule (it was instituted by the 6-3 6-4 brigade mostly for their own advantage at the beginning of 2007). So in your case it would go to PTS3 or game difference.

Labamba
03-17-2008, 07:07 PM
Question regarding the doubles schedule for Miami.

When I posted the schedule, I took it from last year's Miami which looks like this:



Or should it be the same as Indian Wells with a two day first round and a one day QF :shrug:

I'd prefer the IW schedule, having both Masters with the same schedule sounds logical :)

Ville , i´m very sorry but I can not run the Bordeaux CH , I´ve a lot of troubles and have not time for be here in MTF.

Sorry again

Maurice

ok, no problem :hug:

trucul
03-17-2008, 07:16 PM
The current TB PTS rules do not award extra points for getting the set right with the right score. If you predict 6-3 first set, it doesn't matter if the real result is 6-3 first set or 6-3 second set (or third set), the PTS score is the same.

I am not a fan of this rule (it was instituted by the 6-3 6-4 brigade mostly for their own advantage at the beginning of 2007). So in your case it would go to PTS3 or game difference.

Thanks for your help ...

So, if Player A is:

Paul HANLEY/Leander PAES (AUS/IND) 64 63
Arnaud CLEMENT/Mickael LLODRA (FRA/FRA) 64 63
Simon ASPELIN/Julian KNOWLE (SWE/AUT) 64 63
Paul-Henri MATHIEU/Radek STEPANEK (FRA/CZE) 64 63
Martin DAMM/Pavel VIZNER (CZE/CZE) 64 63
Max MIRNYI(BLR)/Jamie MURRAY (BLR/GBR) 64 63
Julien BENNETEAU/Nicolas MAHUT(FRA/FRA) 64 63
Daniel NESTOR/Nenad ZIMONJIC (CAN/SRB) 64 63
Mahesh BHUPATHI/Mark KNOWLES (IND/BAH) 64 63
Jonathan ERLICH/Andy RAM (ISR/ISR) 64 63
Bob BRYAN/Mike BRYAN (USA/USA)

and Player B is:

Paul HANLEY/Leander PAES (AUS/IND) 64 76
Arnaud CLEMENT/Mickael LLODRA (FRA/FRA) 63 64
Simon ASPELIN/Julian KNOWLE (SWE/AUT) 64 76
Paul-Henri MATHIEU/Radek STEPANEK (FRA/CZE) 63 64
Martin DAMM/Pavel VIZNER (CZE/CZE) 63 64
Max MIRNYI(BLR)/Jamie MURRAY (BLR/GBR) 63 64
Julien BENNETEAU/Nicolas MAHUT(FRA/FRA) 63 64
Daniel NESTOR/Nenad ZIMONJIC (CAN/SRB) 63 64
Mahesh BHUPATHI/Mark KNOWLES (IND/BAH) 63 64
Jonathan ERLICH/Andy RAM (ISR/ISR) 63 64
Bob BRYAN/Mike BRYAN (USA/USA)

and if result is:
Hanley/Paes 75 26 10-5
Clement/Llodra 63 57 10-2
Cermak/Kerr 64 67 10-5
MATHIEU/STEPANEK (FRA/CZE) 7/5 7/6
BUTORAC/MURRAY 7/6 6/3
Mirnyi/Murray 6/4 7/6
Monaco/Starace 6/4 6/4
Nestor/Zimonjic 67 62 10-1
Bhupathi/Knowles 64 76
Erlich/Ram 61 62

I guess that player B wins on PTS3 because Aspelin/Knowle won a set 7/6 ? :confused:

Tzar
03-17-2008, 07:21 PM
not sure if available yet but i want Nottingham :)

TankingTheSet
03-17-2008, 07:23 PM
I guess that player B wins on PTS3 because Aspelin/Knowle won a set 7/6 ? :confused:

Correct.

trucul
03-17-2008, 09:02 PM
By the way, I have another question (sorry for that) ;)

For the PTS computation, should we count first the total of all 10 PTSs and compare.

Then, if there is still a tie, need to compare PTS1, then PTS2, ...

Or should we first compare PTS1, then PTS2, without considering the total of all 10 PTS ? :confused:

FiBeR
03-18-2008, 01:00 AM
question:

glenmirnyi sent 2 late SRs matches he didnt predict before those matches started in TMS IW

He is playing against manu86 and me in doubles, and against virex in singles

I dont mind taking the 2 late SRs.. I havent asked virex.. should they be taken or void?

adee-gee
03-18-2008, 01:33 AM
The current TB PTS rules do not award extra points for getting the set right with the right score. If you predict 6-3 first set, it doesn't matter if the real result is 6-3 first set or 6-3 second set (or third set), the PTS score is the same.

I am not a fan of this rule (it was instituted by the 6-3 6-4 brigade mostly for their own advantage at the beginning of 2007). So in your case it would go to PTS3 or game difference.
The main reason it was introduced is because matches could come down to the coin toss and who served first, which most people thought was unfair.
By the way, I have another question (sorry for that) ;)

For the PTS computation, should we count first the total of all 10 PTSs and compare.

Then, if there is still a tie, need to compare PTS1, then PTS2, ...

Or should we first compare PTS1, then PTS2, without considering the total of all 10 PTS ? :confused:
Compare PTS1, then PTS2 etc.....For SRs you count the totals before doing the shootout version.
question:

glenmirnyi sent 2 late SRs matches he didnt predict before those matches started in TMS IW

He is playing against manu86 and me in doubles, and against virex in singles

I dont mind taking the 2 late SRs.. I havent asked virex.. should they be taken or void?
I already added my thoughts. If all his opponents are happy enough with letting them count, then I'd say fine.

But you have no obligation to count them, because they shouldn't really be used.

savesthedizzle
03-18-2008, 02:21 AM
I'd prefer the IW schedule, having both Masters with the same schedule sounds logical :)



ok, no problem :hug:

Alright no problem I'll change it. I guess I would just personally prefer an important round like the QF to have 2 days of picks since there aren't that many matches at that point anymore, compared with how many matches there are over 2 days of the first round ;)

But no big deal :shrug:

Labamba
03-18-2008, 02:57 AM
It's always nice to have the doubles first round over two days :) There will be good matches to predict in the R16/TT QF

savesthedizzle
03-18-2008, 02:58 AM
It's always nice to have the doubles first round over two days :) There will be good matches to predict in the R16/TT QF

Just out of curiosity though.. why doubles over two days when singles is decided in one? And in singles the QF is over two days :p I guess it just doesn't really make much sense to me but whatever you say goes Captain :hatoff:

keqtqiadv
03-18-2008, 03:12 AM
the schedule usually is:

day one - TT R128 singles
day two - TT R64 singles
R64 - TT R32
R32 - TT R16
R16 - TT QF
QF - TT SF
SF+F - TT F
and doubles R64 = day one + day two = R128

so the singles schedule would be:

Wednesday ~ TT R128
Thursday ~ TT R64
Friday+Saturday ~ TT R32
Sunday+Monday ~ TT R16
Tuesday ~ TT QF
Wednesday & Thursday ~ TT SF
Friday & Sunday ~ TT Final

TankingTheSet
03-18-2008, 03:55 AM
The main reason it was introduced is because matches could come down to the coin toss and who served first, which most people thought was unfair.


Well I think this was a flawed argument because matches and set scores involve a heck of a lot of chance anyway. I know for a fact that some players (precisely those players who advocated the rule change) had a huge advantage in the first half of 2007 (and to some extent still do) because they were winning many more matches on PTS with 6-3 6-4 against players who were completely unaware of the statistical significance of picking 6-3 6-4 with the new rule.

I think the PTS calculation has become a joke with everyone with a brain picking 6-4 6-3 (or maybe 7-6 6-4) anyway and things like predicting a tight 7-6 first set win for the favourite aren't rewarded.

Labamba
03-18-2008, 04:07 AM
Just out of curiosity though.. why doubles over two days when singles is decided in one? And in singles the QF is over two days :p I guess it just doesn't really make much sense to me but whatever you say goes Captain :hatoff:

what Murilo said

IW schedule = Miami schedule

the schedule usually is:

day one - TT R128 singles
day two - TT R64 singles
R64 - TT R32
R32 - TT R16
R16 - TT QF
QF - TT SF
SF+F - TT F
and doubles R64 = day one + day two = R128

so the singles schedule would be:

Wednesday ~ TT R128
Thursday ~ TT R64
Friday+Saturday ~ TT R32
Sunday+Monday ~ TT R16
Tuesday ~ TT QF
Wednesday & Thursday ~ TT SF
Friday & Sunday ~ TT Final

savesthedizzle
03-18-2008, 04:27 AM
I changed it already and I understand, I guess it just seems really unbalanced to me :shrug: :lol: No big deal :shrug:

I guess it just confused me that it followed a different schedule last year.

Sorry to bother you with such a stupid question.

robuś
03-18-2008, 09:52 AM
Does late picks are allowed after/if differences are already posted?

Labamba
03-18-2008, 10:27 AM
Does late picks are allowed after/if differences are already posted?

No

adee-gee
03-18-2008, 02:11 PM
Well I think this was a flawed argument because matches and set scores involve a heck of a lot of chance anyway. I know for a fact that some players (precisely those players who advocated the rule change) had a huge advantage in the first half of 2007 (and to some extent still do) because they were winning many more matches on PTS with 6-3 6-4 against players who were completely unaware of the statistical significance of picking 6-3 6-4 with the new rule.

I think the PTS calculation has become a joke with everyone with a brain picking 6-4 6-3 (or maybe 7-6 6-4) anyway and things like predicting a tight 7-6 first set win for the favourite aren't rewarded.
It takes more skill to predict that someone will win a tight set with no breaks, or get 1 or 2 breaks than it does to fluke who'll win the coin toss and serve first.

6-3 6-4 isn't such a good score anymore anyway. With the new rules predicting the match in 3 sets can give you lots of chances.

You say it has become a joke, I beg to differ. The system is better than ever, with fewer matches being needed to be decided by PTS. As for the actual system, it's not exactly original for someone to bash it, your argument would have more substance to it if you provided a better alternative to the current one. I'm not in any way claiming it's perfect, but there doesn't seem to my eyes to be many other options :shrug:

TankingTheSet
03-18-2008, 03:27 PM
You say it has become a joke, I beg to differ. The system is better than ever, with fewer matches being needed to be decided by PTS. As for the actual system, it's not exactly original for someone to bash it, your argument would have more substance to it if you provided a better alternative to the current one. I'm not in any way claiming it's perfect, but there doesn't seem to my eyes to be many other options :shrug:

I agree that the new SR system is better with much less reliance on PTS, so the situation has improved a lot from last year. So the joke comment applies more to last year than this year's rules, but I still greatly prefer that predicting a set score in the right order should be rewarded.

Labamba
03-18-2008, 04:26 PM
Anybody willing to run Miami singles in case Strangelove doesn't get his computer fixed in time? :awww:

The work would start on Monday with the qualifying :wavey:

rvugt
03-18-2008, 04:31 PM
I'm willing, but I think it is a too big job for a first time manager! And I'm also not in the same timezone! So please let me know if I need to run it, but preferably of course someone in the timezone and an experienced manager!

Labamba
03-18-2008, 04:35 PM
I'm willing, but I think it is a too big job for a first time manager! And I'm also not in the same timezone! So please let me know if I need to run it, but preferably of course someone in the timezone and an experienced manager!

Timezone isn't a problem, but the lack of experience is. It's a big job even for an experienced manager. Thanks for the offer though :)

savesthedizzle
03-18-2008, 04:36 PM
Anybody willing to run Miami singles in case Strangelove doesn't get his computer fixed in time? :awww:

The work would start on Monday with the qualifying :wavey:

:awww:

FiBeR
03-18-2008, 06:35 PM
i can do it.. :p i realized it is not that much of a trouble.. and i think im getting used to this 128 draw thing.. i made some begginers mistake cos i was a bit intimidated by the 128 draw.. but now i did one of these 128 draws, i think i can do it again :yeah:

Forever-Delayed
03-18-2008, 06:37 PM
I could do it, but I don't know whether I'll be available at the start of play for every day in the tournament, so if people don't mind waiting for differences then I can do it

Taz Warrior
03-18-2008, 08:02 PM
I won't be able to post the rankings before Monday night next week so I guess we'll have to use the ones before IW for seedings for qualies at least. I'm not sure what the ATP uses :shrug: presumably they'll use these as well as the draw should be out before the rankings.

Labamba
03-18-2008, 08:12 PM
I won't be able to post the rankings before Monday night next week so I guess we'll have to use the ones before IW for seedings for qualies at least. I'm not sure what the ATP uses :shrug: presumably they'll use these as well as the draw should be out before the rankings.

yep, old rankings for qualies and new rankings for md

ATP does it that way too

Snowwy
03-18-2008, 10:30 PM
I know this has been posted some place, but I cant find it. Say there are 6 poeple with no picks and 3 LL's who do they replace?

Labamba
03-18-2008, 11:12 PM
I know this has been posted some place, but I cant find it. Say there are 6 poeple with no picks and 3 LL's who do they replace?

the highest ranked players (3 in this case) get the "byes", their opponents won't be replaced

Labamba
03-19-2008, 03:57 PM
i can do it.. :p i realized it is not that much of a trouble.. and i think im getting used to this 128 draw thing.. i made some begginers mistake cos i was a bit intimidated by the 128 draw.. but now i did one of these 128 draws, i think i can do it again :yeah:

I could do it, but I don't know whether I'll be available at the start of play for every day in the tournament, so if people don't mind waiting for differences then I can do it

thanks guys for volunteering :hatoff:

We'll see how it goes with Strangelove and then make a decision on Saturday at the latest. You could do a split draw thing (for MD) also, if that suits you.

ExcaliburII
03-19-2008, 03:57 PM
what about roland garros? who will finally run the singles event?

Labamba
03-19-2008, 04:01 PM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/04/2008 Humacao CH H 32/32/16/16 Enjoy Incubus
07/04/2008 Monza CH CL 32/32/16/16 TankingTheSet


New threads on Friday...

- no DC players, everybody else are welcome (notice the large Q-draws)
- 2 SE in both

:wavey:

Labamba
03-19-2008, 04:04 PM
what about roland garros? who will finally run the singles event?

still looking for a suitable candidate(s)

Strangelove
03-19-2008, 05:53 PM
thanks guys for volunteering :hatoff:

We'll see how it goes with Strangelove and then make a decision on Saturday at the latest. You could do a split draw thing (for MD) also, if that suits you.I'm out :sad:

I'm getting a new one, but it doesn't come in until wednesday :(

Like I said to Ville before, if you guys still need me to do the draw I could probably free up enough time on this connection.

Let me know, and thanks for stepping up :worship:

adee-gee
03-19-2008, 05:59 PM
If play starts at 7pm CET like it has done for IW, I could also do it....

Taz Warrior
03-19-2008, 06:08 PM
If play starts at 7pm CET like it has done for IW, I could also do it....

It will probably start about 4pm CET as the time difference is less ;)

adee-gee
03-19-2008, 06:10 PM
It will probably start about 4pm CET as the time difference is less ;)
I thought so, I wasn't sure about the time difference.

Count me out then :o

Labamba
03-20-2008, 05:14 PM
It will probably start about 4pm CET as the time difference is less ;)

3 pm CET for the qualies and first round, 4 pm CET for the other rounds :)

Labamba
03-20-2008, 05:44 PM
adeegeezinho hired for Miami singles :wavey:

Ray - we don't want to burn you out
Daniel - MC is just around the corner

FiBeR
03-20-2008, 07:15 PM
:yeah: no prob :cool:

robuś
03-20-2008, 08:01 PM
Can you tell me, if PTS of all matches can be counted in each round, like here? Or is it only up to the manager?
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=116147

Are there PTSs in every rounds and match?
Yup, for my tournaments there always is and always will be. Most managers dont but with PTS its almost impossible that a match will go back to CB which is what I want to avoid.

Labamba
03-20-2008, 08:08 PM
the rules are always the same, it's not the managers choice

Snowwy
03-20-2008, 08:23 PM
Waiiit, so if there always the same, why are there two different ways of doing it this wekk:

All matches PTS here:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6616028&postcount=7

And only one PTS here:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6649672&postcount=6


I always thought I could have as many matches have PTS as I wanted?

TankingTheSet
03-20-2008, 08:29 PM
I think the rule is that in every first round (including the qualifying first round), all matches are PTS while in all other rounds there is only one PTS match.

Snowwy
03-20-2008, 09:52 PM
At IW there was PTS for every match on 3 different days, but if I did it wrong, my bad.

Although personally Id rather lose on PTS3 than CB cuz there is only 1 PTS

Labamba
03-20-2008, 09:56 PM
At IW there was PTS for every match on 3 different days, but if I did it wrong, my bad.

Although personally Id rather lose on PTS3 than CB cuz there is only 1 PTS

no harm done as there weren't any matches decided on PTS2-10 in Bergamo

Filipo
03-20-2008, 09:58 PM
According to me PTS win is luckier than CB win :shrug:

FiBeR
03-21-2008, 12:24 AM
At IW there was PTS for every match on 3 different days, but if I did it wrong, my bad.

Although personally Id rather lose on PTS3 than CB cuz there is only 1 PTS

:p yeah

Qualy Round 1 - PTS 1-10

Singles R128 Pts 1-10
Doubles R64 (it was a two-day round so on day 1 the SRs/PTS didnt count, so actually they were used there) Pts 1-10 ^^

:hug:

it's ok :shrug: rarely a match is decided by pts :shrug:

Deathless Mortal
03-21-2008, 03:10 PM
no harm done as there weren't any matches decided on PTS2-10 in Bergamo

Yeah, but it matters for the future. Is it allowed to put PTS 1-10 (if possible) in every round or it's just for first round? There should be a strict rule.

keqtqiadv
03-21-2008, 03:15 PM
It's not allowed, only one PTS should be used after R1 :p

Deathless Mortal
03-21-2008, 03:58 PM
It also happened in Miami challenger... Managers should be aware of the rules :shrug:

Siders
03-22-2008, 09:39 AM
HELLO the board,

Could you check results of semi final of indian wells.
I think we won, but it does not seems the case ?
Maybe I am rong

Thanks

eljab
03-22-2008, 11:17 AM
It also happened in Miami challenger... Managers should be aware of the rules :shrug:

It's not allowed, only one PTS should be used after R1 :p

Oups...
I also done it in Besancon.
For example, I've put 3 pts in semi and finale.
I thought, that only 1 pts was a choice, not an obligation.
I'll do better next time :o

But i really don't understand why it's useful to have 1O pts in first round and only 1 in the following rounds. Because of CB ?

Labamba
03-22-2008, 02:22 PM
Oups...
I also done it in Besancon.
For example, I've put 3 pts in semi and finale.
I thought, that only 1 pts was a choice, not an obligation.
I'll do better next time :o

But i really don't understand why it's useful to have 1O pts in first round and only 1 in the following rounds. Because of CB ?

10 PTS in the first round to avoid matches being decided on ranking

Zirconek
03-22-2008, 04:58 PM
Pörtschach as my last option :)

I could help for RG ;)

not sure if available yet but i want Nottingham :)


Jeronimo *yelling his name while jumping from a cliff*

come on, give him a third chance :p

eljab
03-23-2008, 02:29 AM
10 PTS in the first round to avoid matches being decided on ranking

ok. Thanks.:worship:

And thanks to TTS for ask question on TB and correct winner. I've
an headacke now, but it's more clear ;)

Tzar
03-23-2008, 10:37 AM
Jeronimo *yelling his name while jumping from a cliff*

come on, give him a third chance :p

i rocked Belgrade! :)

Zirconek
03-23-2008, 11:42 AM
i rocked Belgrade! :)

you and NATO :tape:

Superior1
03-23-2008, 02:18 PM
Question: Semifinal day, two matches to predict, one match begins at 7pm, the other one at 23pm. Player changes his pick for the match that begins at 23pm at 9 pm. Should I count that change? I didn´t post the differences in the meantime.

keqtqiadv
03-23-2008, 02:19 PM
no :p no changes can be made after the first match starts :p

rvugt
03-25-2008, 12:15 AM
I have a question! I need an assistent manager for the challenger in Athens, the 14th of April, as I would also like to play there. Please let me know if someone is interested!

Snowwy
03-25-2008, 01:45 AM
If you cant get somebody else, I will rvugt

rvugt
03-25-2008, 07:13 PM
Thank you, Snowwy! If you don't mind, you're hired!!

Another question. In St. Brieuc the manager is inactive already for a long time. There isn't even an entry list at this moment. So my question is, when will he be replaced, because the new manager needs some time to go through the commitment and make an entry list. I can replace him, if it is needed, make my debute as a TT manager two weeks earlier. But just let me know than in time.

adee-gee
03-25-2008, 07:50 PM
Thank you, Snowwy! If you don't mind, you're hired!!

Another question. In St. Brieuc the manager is inactive already for a long time. There isn't even an entry list at this moment. So my question is, when will he be replaced, because the new manager needs some time to go through the commitment and make an entry list. I can replace him, if it is needed, make my debute as a TT manager two weeks earlier. But just let me know than in time.
Thanks for pointing this out.

If you could do an entry list, that'd be great. Gutturnio is usually a very reliable manager, so we'll give him until Thursday to return. If he's not back by then, we'll probably need a new manager.

Miami starts tomorrow so I guess we'll see if he sends picks.

FiBeR
03-25-2008, 08:07 PM
thanks for letting me know miami starts tomorrow :tape: i was clueless :rolls:

Labamba
03-26-2008, 04:05 PM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

14/04/2008 Estoril CL 32/16/16/8 ExcaliburII
14/04/2008 Valencia CL 32/16/16/8 Alonsofz
14/04/2008 Houston CL 32/16/16/8 Foosimoo
14/04/2008 Busan CH H 32/16/16/8 aussie_fan
14/04/2008 Athens CH CL 32/16/16/8 rvugt


Friday's threads :wavey:

2 SE in Busan & Athens

rvugt
03-26-2008, 04:25 PM
I have a question, can I be a LL from the first round of the qualification if there are enough spots available in the MD?? Or only final round losers??

Labamba
03-26-2008, 04:36 PM
I have a question, can I be a LL from the first round of the qualification if there are enough spots available in the MD?? Or only final round losers??

yes, you can

ExcaliburII
03-26-2008, 07:55 PM
when will we have race rankings?



Can I open Estoril thread earlier and accept commitments from Friday onwards? I wont b here on friday.

Taz Warrior
03-26-2008, 09:59 PM
when will we have race rankings?
After Miami :p

Can I open Estoril thread earlier and accept commitments from Friday onwards? I wont b here on friday.
Yes you can :)

Tennis-Engineer
03-26-2008, 10:38 PM
Qualifying rounds in Napoli starts On saturday or On sunday after second round of doubles in Miami ?

Also: Napoli manager has been inactive for about 14 days.If he has not enough time, I am available to run the tournament, since the next week I have free time to do it.

ExcaliburII
03-27-2008, 09:12 PM
I opened Estoril thread. I hope this time no one cries :lol:

tiptopdaisy
03-27-2008, 09:24 PM
@tt board

i made all entry list and updates till my last post in the napoli thread but i dont know if i can run it next week cause my pc is at repair and i dont know if i have a laptop next week. :o

so anyone else should take the event and run it.

:wavey:

Labamba
03-27-2008, 09:52 PM
Qualifying rounds in Napoli starts On saturday or On sunday after second round of doubles in Miami ?

Also: Napoli manager has been inactive for about 14 days.If he has not enough time, I am available to run the tournament, since the next week I have free time to do it.

for both Napoli and St. Brieuc:

to play qualifying -> out from Miami after Thursday's play
to play main draw -> out from Miami after Saturday's play

@tt board

i made all entry list and updates till my last post in the napoli thread but i dont know if i can run it next week cause my pc is at repair and i dont know if i have a laptop next week. :o

so anyone else should take the event and run it.

:wavey:

Tennis-Engineer :wavey:

tiptopdaisy
03-27-2008, 09:56 PM
for both Napoli and St. Brieuc:

to play qualifying -> out from Miami after Thursday's play
to play main draw -> out from Miami after Saturday's play



Tennis-Engineer :wavey:

i can send him my excel sheets with the entry lists :wavey:

Snowwy
03-28-2008, 12:34 AM
Can we change events for next week, week 14 with no penalty because of the manager change..Id like top play 14a now that the manager changed if possible.

Tennis-Engineer
03-28-2008, 12:49 AM
32 Players in Napoli Qualies and only 4 players will qualify.How will be the schedule of Qualifying round matches ? I think every player should play 2 matches on saturday and one on Sunday, Right ?

Labamba
03-28-2008, 12:54 AM
Can we change events for next week, week 14 with no penalty because of the manager change..Id like top play 14a now that the manager changed if possible.

that's not a good idea, wouldn't be fair to some players

sorry

Labamba
03-28-2008, 12:55 AM
32 Players in Napoli Qualies and only 4 players will qualify.How will be the schedule of Qualifying round matches ? I think every player should play 2 matches on saturday and one on Sunday, Right ?

yes, 2 rounds on Saturday

Snowwy
03-28-2008, 03:44 AM
that's not a good idea, wouldn't be fair to some players

sorry

Alright, I understand, but Im sad :)

rvugt
03-28-2008, 12:07 PM
Will tennis engineer take care of Napoli now?? If not, I might be able to run it, but probably not as full as I would like, because I'm still playing in Miami and afterwards maybe in St. Brieuc. But if not, I'm full operable to manage it.

Btw, does somebody have an excel file with which it is easy to manage a tournament. Could you please send it to me!
Thank you in advance!

aussie_fan
03-28-2008, 12:15 PM
Busan challenger is up

Tennis-Engineer
03-28-2008, 01:20 PM
I need an assistant manager in Napoli to recieve my picks and also my opponent picks.

rvugt
03-28-2008, 01:23 PM
I can do that!

Tennis-Engineer
03-28-2008, 02:35 PM
I can do that!


Thanks :) So I will tell my opponents to send you their picks.Tournament starts tomorrow.

rvugt
03-28-2008, 02:40 PM
The only thing is that I won't be here on Sunday, so if you already need me this weekend, I might not be able to give the differences on Sunday! But you will manage :p!

TankingTheSet
03-28-2008, 03:28 PM
Btw, does somebody have an excel file with which it is easy to manage a tournament. Could you please send it to me!
Thank you in advance!

Just a warning, managing at TT tournament is a complex and time-consuming job. There is no "magic" excel file that suddenly makes it easier. Generally only thing you do with Excel is tabulate the picks. There are a lot of thing involved in managing and most of it you will have to do by hand with good knowledge of the rules.

rvugt
03-28-2008, 03:32 PM
I was already thinking that! But I thought maybe someone had an idea how to do it easier!

savesthedizzle
03-28-2008, 03:36 PM
I have an excel that I use that has formulas in it that will calculate correct winners... but... it's very time consuming to enter the picks into it because you can't copy and paste, you have to type everything in. Also you can't have the SR or PTS in the same cell as the winner or it won't work... I've developed a system that works for me involving the spreadsheet. It is time consuming when you first enter the picks but updates after that are very quick and easy :shrug:

I can send that to you if you think that would help. But as TankingtheSet said, a good knowledge of the rules is key because all the spreadsheets in the world won't help unless you know how they work :D

rvugt
03-28-2008, 03:49 PM
Could you send it to me, Jess! I know the rules and if I get the sheet now, I can get familiar with it! That's exactly what I mean, that I can get the results quickly. I wasn't counting on a way to enter the picks quickly. I'm doing management of FITD now, and also that is time consuming to enter, but afterwards, updates are really quick!

Tennis-Engineer
03-28-2008, 05:20 PM
According to March 10 ranking, Sheva was 34th in singles.Now that I want to set the seeds According to march 24 ranking, he is 22th.Can he play in Napoli challenger with this ranking ?

Labamba
03-28-2008, 05:23 PM
According to March 10 ranking, Sheva was 34th in singles.Now that I want to set the seeds According to march 24 ranking, he is 22th.Can he play in Napoli challenger with this ranking ?

yes, the entry list ranking determines who can play

FiBeR
03-28-2008, 07:13 PM
:shrug: if they havent and deadline is over id take them :p but that would be me

the more doubles teams the better

Alonsofz
03-28-2008, 07:15 PM
Valencia thread up :wavey:

savesthedizzle
03-28-2008, 07:46 PM
Could you send it to me, Jess! I know the rules and if I get the sheet now, I can get familiar with it! That's exactly what I mean, that I can get the results quickly. I wasn't counting on a way to enter the picks quickly. I'm doing management of FITD now, and also that is time consuming to enter, but afterwards, updates are really quick!

Yeah :) pm me your email address :)

ExcaliburII
03-28-2008, 09:24 PM
I put my picks in the excell sheet and highlight the risks only. Then i know how many points is safe picking and i only look at the risks taken and from there i calculate the total, I think its the faster way.

rvugt
03-31-2008, 01:40 PM
A new question: I run Athens in 2 weeks, but I was thinking, will there be new rankings at the beginning of this week?? Because Miami is playing now, so normally than no new rankings are done in real life tennis world. So if not, should I use the rankings of 24th of March for the entry list??

Labamba
03-31-2008, 01:54 PM
A new question: I run Athens in 2 weeks, but I was thinking, will there be new rankings at the beginning of this week?? Because Miami is playing now, so normally than no new rankings are done in real life tennis world. So if not, should I use the rankings of 24th of March for the entry list??

yes

there won't be new rankings this week

Tennis-Engineer
03-31-2008, 02:28 PM
Now that tournament has started, 2 players in 2 doubles teams have not sent picks.Can 2 new players that were in singles and had no partner, make a team and replace one of those teams ? (There is not another LL)

quiron
04-01-2008, 12:04 AM
:scratch:

FiBeR
04-01-2008, 12:38 AM
tricky business there

I think in the past ville said no, im still not sure about how this rule work but i remember another player asking

i think in the past, the answer was to have a back-up partner announced way before deadlines.. or at least that was my suggestion

sth like

(in GS 2nd weeks and TMS 2nd weeks only of course)

"in for singles, doubles with manu86, back-up partner tennisfancroatia" or some announcement before deadlines :shrug:

im not sure it is allowed once the deadlines are closed and stuff..and i think that is because if not people may drive the manager crazy with weird partnering up.. :hug: sorry quiron/manu86 :sad:

Labamba
04-02-2008, 12:55 AM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

21/04/2008 Monte-Carlo CL 64/32/32/16 Forever-Delayed
21/04/2008 Bermuda CH CL 32/16/16/8 Snowwy
21/04/2008 Baton Rouge CH H 32/16/16/8 Kielian
21/04/2008 Cremona CH H 32/16/16/8 JM-Del-Potro


- No SE in MC, 2 in others :wavey:

Foosimoo
04-02-2008, 12:57 AM
Ville, I guess I use March 24 rankings for entry in Houston?

GustavoM_Fan
04-02-2008, 01:03 AM
yes ;)
because there wasn`t ranking update last monday

Foosimoo
04-02-2008, 01:04 AM
Thanks Ville. :p

GustavoM_Fan
04-02-2008, 01:05 AM
:haha:

FiBeR
04-05-2008, 05:39 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6835212&postcount=221

:confused: this cant be right..

you just cant have a QR1 oop with only 3 matches and a QR2 oop with 3 more matches.. :tape: can anyone do something about it? :wavey:

Labamba
04-05-2008, 11:48 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6835212&postcount=221

:confused: this cant be right..

you just cant have a QR1 oop with only 3 matches and a QR2 oop with 3 more matches.. :tape: can anyone do something about it? :wavey:

there wasn't much else the manager could do, GD system will probably be used a lot in there

Labamba
04-05-2008, 01:00 PM
Ok, it's time to find the managers for June and July tournaments (plus a few from May). You can ask for 1 tourney from June AND 1 from July. Make back-up wishes too. You have two weeks to ask for something.

May


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

05/05/2008 Rabat CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
12/05/2008 Bordeaux CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
26/05/2008 Roland Garros S CL 128/128 ?


June (1 tourney/manager)


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

02/06/2008 Prostejov CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
02/06/2008 Furth CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
02/06/2008 Surbiton CH G 32/16/16/8 ?
02/06/2008 Yuba City CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
02/06/2008 Sassuolo CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
09/06/2008 Halle G 32/16/16/8 ?
09/06/2008 Queen's G 64/32/32/16 ?
09/06/2008 Sopot CL 32/16/16/8 ?
09/06/2008 Sofia CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
16/06/2008 's-Hertogenbosch G 32/16/16/8 ?
16/06/2008 Nottingham G 32/16/16/8 ?
16/06/2008 Braunschweig CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
16/06/2008 Bytom CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
16/06/2008 Recanati CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
23/06/2008 Wimbledon S G 128/128 ?
23/06/2008 Wimbledon D G 64/64 ?
23/06/2008 Reggio Emilia CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
30/06/2008 Cordoba CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
30/06/2008 Lugano CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
30/06/2008 Turin CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
30/06/2008 Dublin CH SG 32/16/16/8 ?
30/06/2008 Winnetka CH H 32/16/16/8 ?


July (1 tourney/manager)


Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

07/07/2008 Stuttgart CL 32/16/16/8 ?
07/07/2008 Gstaad CL 32/16/16/8 ?
07/07/2008 Båstad CL 32/16/16/8 ?
07/07/2008 Newport G 32/16/16/8 ?
07/07/2008 Scheveningen CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
14/07/2008 Kitzbühel CL 32/16/16/8 ?
14/07/2008 Umag CL 32/16/16/8 ?
14/07/2008 Amersfoort CL 32/16/16/8 ?
14/07/2008 Indianapolis H 32/16/16/8 ?
14/07/2008 Aptos CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
21/07/2008 Toronto H 64/32/32/16 ?
21/07/2008 Poznan CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
21/07/2008 San Marino CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
21/07/2008 Lexington CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
28/07/2008 Cincinnati H 64/32/32/16 ?
28/07/2008 Vancouver CH H 32/16/16/8 ?
28/07/2008 Cordenons CH CL 32/16/16/8 ?
28/07/2008 Tampere CH CL 32/16/16/8 Labamba

adee-gee
04-05-2008, 01:24 PM
Can I have Nottingham and Gstaad please :hatoff:

If we have a lot of people wanting tourneys, just Gstaad is fine.

Zirconek
04-05-2008, 01:26 PM
Prostejov, please :angel:

BU: Bytom

savesthedizzle
04-05-2008, 01:32 PM
Halle please :)
Back up: Surbiton


Nothing from July for me since I'm going on vacation :)

JM-Del-Potro
04-05-2008, 01:37 PM
I would like Turin,thanks! :wavey:

eljab
04-05-2008, 02:28 PM
I'd like Bordeaux, please.

Snowwy
04-05-2008, 02:36 PM
Can I have Vancouver :)

Strangelove
04-05-2008, 03:33 PM
Queen's for me please..

BU: 's-Hertogenbosch

Thanks :)

FiBeR
04-05-2008, 06:04 PM
winnetka ch and Indianapolis for me please :)

Deathless Mortal
04-05-2008, 06:23 PM
Bastad or Amersfoort and Poznan CH for me please :)

Allez-Alejo
04-05-2008, 07:28 PM
s'Hertogenbosch and Cincinnati please...backup Wimbledon doubles and Newport

TankingTheSet
04-05-2008, 08:50 PM
Sopot and Amersfoort, back-ups Surbiton CH and Scheveningen CH

Jens
04-05-2008, 08:58 PM
Braunschweig and Aptos please :)

Back-Up: Surbiton

Tennis-Engineer
04-05-2008, 09:14 PM
Roland Garros singles
Back up : Wimbledon singles
Thanks :)

ExcaliburII
04-05-2008, 10:34 PM
Halle an Kitzhbuel please :wavey:

Foosimoo
04-05-2008, 10:50 PM
Can I have Newport please? :)

rvugt
04-06-2008, 12:26 AM
's Hertogenbosch, if possible!
And Amersfoort
BU: Scheveningen

I'm really chauvinistic! :p

Alonsofz
04-06-2008, 03:25 AM
Sopot and Kitzbühel for me, please :) if not, just one of them, please :)

InzainSoulja
04-06-2008, 09:52 AM
Dublin, Cordabo or Lugano please, dont mind which one

ClaudiuS
04-06-2008, 03:57 PM
Vancouver for me please :wavey:
as Back up, Cordenons :p

Strangelove
04-06-2008, 04:24 PM
Roland Garros singles
Back up : Wimbledon singles
Thanks :)Ambitious :cool:

You might want to take something a little smaller first though, Ville prefers to give the big ones to more experienced managers ;)

Boarder35m
04-06-2008, 05:09 PM
I am very new this this game, have no ranking yet. But I´m interested to manage a small challenger tournament as assistant. Maybe Fürth in Germany starting in June, if it is not too early. I don´t know how much you need new managers? :wavey:

Tennis-Engineer
04-06-2008, 06:35 PM
Ambitious :cool:

You might want to take something a little smaller first though, Ville prefers to give the big ones to more experienced managers ;)

I just announced that I am ready to do that.It is up to board to trust me or not trust. :shrug:

savesthedizzle
04-06-2008, 07:58 PM
I just announced that I am ready to do that.It is up to board to trust me or not trust. :shrug:

Generally to manage a Grand Slam you need to manage a few IS tournaments, then a Masters Series before you're really considered ready for a Grand Slam.

Trust me, managing a big draw is not as easy as you think. Generally Ville would like to see that you are ready with more experience than you have at the moment. If I were you I'd request some smaller events to build your resume so that if you still want to torture yourself you can sign up for the US Open ;)

Blue Heart24
04-06-2008, 08:28 PM
Reggio Emilia for me :dance:

Spadea TT
04-06-2008, 09:33 PM
Can I have Rabat??

Strangelove
04-06-2008, 09:47 PM
I just announced that I am ready to do that.It is up to board to trust me or not trust. :shrug:OK. Just pointing out how it's usually done, so that maybe as a back-up you could have something smaller ;)

But I don't mean to speak out of turn of course, Ville makes the calls around here :p

Tennis-Engineer
04-06-2008, 10:02 PM
Generally to manage a Grand Slam you need to manage a few IS tournaments, then a Masters Series before you're really considered ready for a Grand Slam.

Trust me, managing a big draw is not as easy as you think. Generally Ville would like to see that you are ready with more experience than you have at the moment. If I were you I'd request some smaller events to build your resume so that if you still want to torture yourself you can sign up for the US Open ;)

I dont like to discuss about this issue but I should respond some of your points.I didnt see any rule that says GS manager should have been IS or MS manager before.And about experience , I managed a tournament that every unpredicted situation for a TT manager happened in that.A lot of withdrawals, Late picks, 10 LL in the main draw !, LL from the second and first qualifying round, deciding Winners in different tie-break conditions & delay in OOP because of rain.To be a grand slam manager needs to consume a lot of time and energy in 3 consecutive weeks so it doesnt add anything to me. I just wanted to help, Because I am interested. If I made a mistake to say I am ready, I apologize everyone !

Strangelove
04-06-2008, 10:06 PM
I dont like to discuss about this issue but I should respond some of your points.I didnt see any rule that says GS manager should have been IS or MS manager before.And about experience , I managed a tournament that every unpredicted situation for a TT manager happened in that.A lot of withdrawals, Late picks, 10 LL in the main draw !, LL from the second and first qualifying round, deciding Winners in different tie-break conditions & delay in OOP because of rain.To be a grand slam manager needs to consume a lot of time and energy in 3 consecutive weeks so it doesnt add anything to me. I just wanted to help, Because I am interested. If I made a mistake to say I am ready, I apologize everyone !Ah, no mistake...it was just a friendly comment to explain how thingss are usually handled. It is by no means meant as criticism. At all.

Your help is appreciated of course.

:wavey:

savesthedizzle
04-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Ah, no mistake...it was just a friendly comment to explain how thingss are usually handled. It is by no means meant as criticism. At all.

Your help is appreciated of course.

:wavey:

Exactly, of course your help is appreciated, but since you are relatively new to TT and managing, we just wanted to help you out in helping you to get to manage something :awww:

Sorry to offend.

ExcaliburII
04-06-2008, 11:07 PM
I think tennis engineer should be given that GS to manage.

Foosimoo
04-06-2008, 11:09 PM
:lol:

Tzar
04-07-2008, 04:41 AM
One of: Halle, Queens, Sopot, Amersfoort, Indianapolis or Umag for me plz :wavey:

Enjoy Incubus
04-07-2008, 04:44 AM
Here is where I should vote for Jeronimo to run Wimbledon or? :D

Allez-Alejo
04-07-2008, 04:27 PM
Tennis-Engineer to run the remainder of the Golden Slam

keqtqiadv
04-08-2008, 09:46 PM
Surbiton (or Prostejov)
Bastad (or Gstaad)

thanks :hatoff: :p

Enjoy Incubus
04-08-2008, 11:50 PM
Tennis-Engineer to run the remainder of the Golden Slam
And the Masters Cup

Labamba
04-09-2008, 12:00 AM
Date Tournament Surface Draw(S/QS/D/QD) Manager

28/04/2008 Barcelona CL 64/32/32/16 savestheday91
28/04/2008 Munich CL 32/16/16/8 Labamba
28/04/2008 Tunis CH CL 32/16/16/8 eljab
28/04/2008 Prague CH CL 32/16/16/8 Zirconevs


- 1 SE in Barcelona, 2 in the others

Labamba
04-09-2008, 12:02 AM
I'd like Bordeaux, please.

Can I have Rabat??

these are done deals :yeah:

savesthedizzle
04-09-2008, 12:19 AM
It's that time again already? :rolls: :dance: :D

ExcaliburII
04-09-2008, 01:24 PM
nobody offered for Roland Garros singles yet :lol:

Filipo
04-09-2008, 10:32 PM
I'd like to run Sofia Challenger, but i cannot confirm 100%. Later i can be more precise.

Allez-Alejo
04-10-2008, 12:26 AM
RG is going to be a train wreck...no mug managers

FiBeR
04-10-2008, 02:52 AM
I wouldnt mind doing RG alone :shrug:

just an option :p

ExcaliburII
04-10-2008, 02:15 PM
I wouldnt mind doing RG alone :shrug:

just an option :p

:rolleyes: You will have to do about 10 hours of work a day.

rvugt
04-10-2008, 02:21 PM
If nobody wants it, I could offer my help. But I prefer not doing the whole draw, as it will be only my second tournament. So maybe two managers can do the singles together!

Strangelove
04-10-2008, 03:15 PM
I would offer to do RG, but I can't be sure I've got time.
If it turns out I've got the time, it's no problem for me....but like I said, I really can't tell at this moment.

FiBeR
04-10-2008, 08:17 PM
:rolleyes: You will have to do about 10 hours of work a day.

I go to university around 6 pm argentina time..which you have to add a lot of hours from RG.. around 5 hrs (11 pm RG time)

so it wouldnt be a problem.. :p

just as an option :hatoff:

Labamba
04-11-2008, 12:57 AM
Munich up & running: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=121071