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About the Olympics

fco253
06-05-2004, 12:42 PM
Are they a 19th event? (14th mandatory?)
Or is just one of the five optionals a player can have?

Do the players that don't qualify get to put an extra sixth optional event or just works like Masters Cup, meaning the players in it have an extra event?

Thank you.

Neely
06-05-2004, 04:27 PM
the procedure in 2000 was that it was not a 19th event and can only be counted among the 5 best other results

Players who do not play the Olympic tennis tournament will not be allowed to count a "sixth optional event" (just like with the Masters Cup; players who don't qualify for the Masters Cup cannot earn points and are not allowed to count the six best other tournaments).

ASAIK they didn't change that so I guess the same rules should still apply in 2004.

fco253
06-10-2004, 12:40 AM
thk Neely

CmonAussie
06-10-2004, 02:35 PM
How many points is it worth? Same as IS or ISG?? *It should be atleast as many points as TMS but seems like winning Nottingham has the same prestige as an Olympic Gold>_<..

Deboogle!.
06-10-2004, 03:16 PM
I thought the Olympics was worth 80CR points but I'm not positive

fco253
06-10-2004, 04:11 PM
It's like this:

W F S Q 16 32 64

400 280 155 100 50 25 5

Bronze medalist gets 50 extra (205).

CmonAussie
06-10-2004, 04:20 PM
It's like this:

W F S Q 16 32 64

400 280 155 100 50 25 5

Bronze medalist gets 50 extra (205).
:wavey: :cool:
Thanks Mate! So the winner of Olympic Gold Tennis gets somewhere between the points of a TMS winner (500pts) & an ISG winner (250points)..

That's OK~ i just hope they get a worth winner; actually if an Aussie guy can't win (don't think Philippoussis is up to the job & Hewitt won't play) then I hope someone like Ferrero or Coria can take it :angel: !

nitsansh
06-10-2004, 11:52 PM
Why isn't Hewitt going to Athens?? A sponsership conflict or something?

Ballbuster
06-11-2004, 12:29 AM
Hewitt said he's not going because "it's too close to the USOpen" but many think it's because his sex partner Clijsters isn't going

Haasfan
06-11-2004, 08:27 AM
Tommy Haas will win, remember last time????? Beat Federer, Corretja, Mirnyi on the way to the final, losing to Yevgeny in 5. Im sure he can go one better this time.

CarnivalCarnage
06-11-2004, 09:42 AM
Well, it IS too close to the USO.

It's not even worth the points of a TMS! Honestly, what was the ATP thinking when they instituted points for it? If people aren't going to show up for Olympic prestige, they won't bother to play it because it ranks just below TMS events in points. Top players skip TMS events too! The only way to make them show would be to give it the points of a Slam.

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 07:18 PM
Well, it IS too close to the USO.

It's not even worth the points of a TMS! Honestly, what was the ATP thinking when they instituted points for it? If people aren't going to show up for Olympic prestige, they won't bother to play it because it ranks just below TMS events in points. Top players skip TMS events too! The only way to make them show would be to give it the points of a Slam.
To be precise, the Olympic final is on August 22, 8 days before the start of US Open. It's the same surface and even the same ball, so I don't think this arguement is making sense...
There's one week between Cincinnati TMS and the Olympics, and a week between the Olympics and US Open. All tournaments played on hardcourt. No other tournament during this time awards the same points as Athens, and not as much prize money that top players care for... The only trouble is flying to Europe and back... (all expenses are covered by Olympic organizers and national Olympic commitees)

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 07:25 PM
OK... so Agassi and Hewitt won't go... any other eligible player is giving it a miss?

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 07:29 PM
BTW... the ATP (and WTA) have no interest to promote the Olympics, since it's organized under ITF supervision... I guess the ranking points reflect that...

Deboogle!.
06-11-2004, 07:37 PM
The prize for the Olympics is playing for your country and trying to win a gold medal in the spirit of something as wonderful as the Olympics. I'm actually glad it's not worth more, because at least this way the people who will be playing are doing so because of personal desire and not "just another tournament to win to raise my ranking." Obviously the Olympics aren't the absolute pinnacle of tennis like they are for things like gymnastics or track and field or swimming or diving or whatever, but as we've seen, many of the players are still jumping at the opportunity to play and vie for a medal, and that's a testament to the tradition of the Olympics, not the prize money or rankings points.

As an aside.... here's a new pic I stumbled upon of the stadium from an aerial view. I think it's purrrrrdy :hearts:

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/afp_photo/20040611/sge.dnm78.110604174354.photo00.default-384x256.jpg

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 08:27 PM
The prize of the Olympic is an opportunity to win a unique title, more rare than Grand Slam title, in very unique environment...
It might not be ranked in a player's resume at the same level as Grand Slam title, but in my opinion higher than Masters titles, let alone other tournaments.

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 08:36 PM
BTW... Lee's progress to the SF at Queens will probably earn him a trip to Athens... although he's still one place outside the cut off according to my calculation, he would eventually get in. He may also benefit from the "geographical location" criterium, as Asia has only one guarantied player in the singles tournament.
The same criteria may also benefit Ferreira, 2 places behind Lee in the entry list, or Arthurs who is 2 places further back and will be Oceania's 2nd player if Hewitt pull out.

MissPovaFan
06-11-2004, 08:40 PM
How many participants will Britain have at the Olympics? Im assuming in the singles it will only be Tim Henman as Greg Rusedski would have to really go on a role to make the cut, but what about in the doubles? Will Britain have any?

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 09:45 PM
Rusedski is a long way from qualifying... the cut off is about 80 and his ranking is 108... he is in 12th place on the "next in" list according to my calculation, not considering protected ranking...
the entry deadline is next Monday so he can't do anything to qualify...
Henman will be the lone Brittish in the entire tennis event, as there are no women anywhere near the qualifying cut off, and being the only player in men singles he can't play in doubles.

nitsansh
06-11-2004, 09:48 PM
Projected Olympic Entry list
Updated on Friday 11/6
# Playing on Saturday 12/6
$ Playing on Friday 11/6
Color codes: Through to SF Through to QF

Direct acceptance: (48)
Rnk PRk Player Nat Pts PPt Add 18th 19th Off Trn(S) Rnd/Res/Opp
1 1 Roger Federer SUI 5485 5610 100 60 25 225 HAL 1 SF#
2 2 Andy Roddick USA 4570 4695 100 110 90 225 QUE 1 SF#
3 3 Guillermo Coria ARG 3740 3740 5 175 15 QUE 2 R2 L
4 4 David Nalbandian ARG 2625 2625 0 0
5 6 Juan Carlos Ferrero ESP 2510 2510 40 5
6 5 Tim Henman GBR 2505 2545 5 100 60 100 QUE 4 R2 L
7 7 Carlos Moya ESP 2460 2460 120 120
8 8 Rainer Schuettler GER 2265 2225 100 60 60 HAL 2 SF#
9 9 Andre Agassi USA (WD) 2055 2150 5 0 0 100 QUE 3 R2 L
10 11 Lleyton Hewitt AUS (WD) 1745 1700 100 0 0 55 QUE 6 SF#
11 10 Gaston Gaudio ARG 1705 1705 25 25
12 12 Nicolas Massu CHI 1673 1673 60 40
13 13 Sebastien Grosjean FRA 1610 1665 100 40 15 155 QUE 5 SF#
14 14 Paradorn Srichaphan THA 1535 1535 55 100 50 QUE 7 QF L
15 15 Marat Safin RUS 1420 1420 5 5 5 HAL 5 R1 L
16 19 Jiri Novak CZE 1355 1310 100 40 25 55 HAL 3 SF#
17 16 Sjeng Schalken NED 1340 1340 20 75 25 QUE 8 R3 L
18 17 Mark Philippoussis AUS 1320 1320 5 5 5 QUE 9 R1 L
19 18 Juan Ignacio Chela ARG 1320 1320 40 40
20 23 Mardy Fish USA 1280 1230 100 50 20 HAL 6 SF#
21 20 Andrei Pavel ROM 1264 1264 5 5 5 HAL 7 R1 L
22 21 Feliciano Lopez ESP 1260 1260 5 60 25 HAL 8 R1 L
23 22 Tommy Robredo ESP 1255 1255 40 40
24 24 Gustavo Kuerten BRA 1165 1165 75 75
25 25 Dominik Hrbaty SVK 1141 1141 23 20
26 26 Fernando Gonzalez CHI 1135 1135 75 50
27 27 Jonas Bjorkman SWE 1110 1110 20 20 8 20 HAL R2 L
28 28 Max Mirnyi BLR 1045 1045 5 25 25 QUE 10 R1 L
29 29 Ivan Ljubicic CRO 1040 1040 5 20 20 HAL R1 L
30 30 Vince Spadea USA 1030 1030 40 40
31 32 Taylor Dent USA 945 985 5 15 15 55 QUE 11 R1 L
33 31 Nicolas Kiefer GER 905 1005 55 15 8 155 HAL QF L
35 36 Hicham Arazi MAR 858 860 10 8 10
36 34 Mikhail Youzhny RUS 855 915 20 40 40 100 HAL R2 L
37 38 Luis Horna PER 831 831 21 15
38 37 Arnaud Clement FRA 823 860 55 90 63 100 HAL QF L
41 42 Jurgen Melzer AUT 782 782 5 5
42 39 Younes El Aynaoui MAR 775 825 15 5 55
43 44 Robin Soderling SWE 770 770 5 15 10 HAL R1 L
44 43 Xavier Malisse BEL 730 780 5 5 55
45 45 Filippo Volandri ITA 701 766 5 15 15 80 HAL R1 L
47 48 Joachim Johansson SWE 767 752 20 5 5 HAL R2 L
48 46 Irakli Labadze GEO 765 765 5 5
50 51 Sargis Sargsian ARM 750 745 20 15 15 HAL R2 L
52 52 Fabrice Santoro FRA 691 702 15 9 20
55 55 Martin Verkerk NED 670 670 5 40 15 HAL 4 R1 L
56 60 Igor Andreev RUS 667 639 55 15 15 27 QUE QF L
57 57 Thomas Enqvist SWE 653 648 10 5 5 QUE R2 L
58 56 Nicolas Escude FRA 646 651 0 0 5
59 58 Nikolay Davydenko RUS 645 645 5 25 20 HAL R1 L

Forty-eight (48) players will receive direct acceptance into the men’s
singles event at the 2004 Olympic Tennis Event based on the recognised
international singles computer rankings of 14 June 2004.
A National Association/National Olympic Committee who has more than four (4)
players eligible for direct acceptance into the men’s singles event should
select its four (4) highest ranked eligible players based on the computer ranking.
Any player nominated and accepted for the singles event will
automatically be eligible for selection for the doubles event.

ITF Places: (14)
60 59 Jarkko Nieminen FIN 645 645 60 40
62 62 Ivo Karlovic CRO 626 621 20 8 5 15 QUE 14 R3 L
63 63 Radek Stepanek CZE 590 590 55 5 5 55 QUE 15 QF L
67 68 Mario Ancic CRO 566 566 20 15 9 20 QUE R3 L
68 79 Karol Beck SVK 563 517 55 9 7 QUE QF L
70 71 Florian Mayer GER 557 557 5 5 5 HAL R1 L
71 72 Olivier Rochus BEL 554 554 5 15 15 QUE R1 L
72 73 Raemon Sluiter NED 549 553 5 8 6 10 QUE R1 L

74 75 Flavio Saretta BRA 541 541 5 5
75 64 Karol Kucera SVK 534 579 10 5 5 55 QUE R2 L
77 76 Nicolas Lapentti ECU 531 531 8 5
78 78 Victor Hanescu ROM 523 522 10 9 8 QUE R2 L
80 77 Tomas Berdych CZE 519 527 22 5 1 30 WEI 1 SF#
81 99 Hyung-Taik Lee KOR 508 408 105 5 5 QUE Q SF#

Eight (8) of the fourteen (14) ITF places shall be selected solely on the recognised international singles computer ranking.
The remaining six (6) places shall be selected taking into consideration the following:
Singles Computer Ranking
Whether the country is represented in the Tennis Event
Number of players on site
Geographical location

Next in:
82 84 Alexander Popp GER 497 482 20 5 5 HAL R2 L
84 82 Wayne Ferreira RSA 490 490 5 5
88 90 Den van Scheppingen NED 474 474 10 5
90 91 Wayne Arthurs AUS 465 465 5 5 1 5 QUE R1 L
97 95 Stefan Koubek AUT 432 447 5 5 5 20 QUE R1 L
99 98 Gilles Elseneer BEL 425 430 5 5 1 10 QUE R1 L
101 102 Yen-Hsun Lu TPE 413 398 20 5 4 5 QUE R3 L
102 104 Kenneth Carlsen DEN 400 388 20 8 8 HAM R2 L
106 107 Kristof Vliegen BEL 378 378 5 5 QUE Q Q2
107 108 Wesley Moodie RSA 378 373 10 5 5 QUE R2 L
111 111 M Vassallo-Arguello ITA 376 367 14 5 5 LUG 3 QF$
108 103 Greg Rusedski GBR 374 389 5 1 0 20 QUE R1 L
112 110 Jan Vacek CZE 366 371 5 5 5 10 QUE R1 L
113 113 Davide Sanguinetti ITA 352 352 10 8 8 10 QUE R2 L
115 118 Adrian Garcia CHI 349 345 5 1 1 WEI 4 R2 L
124 120 Marc Rosset SUI 323 342 1 1 1 20 LUG 4 R1 L
128 131 Alexander Peya AUT 313 313 5 5
131 127 Harel Levy ISR 308 322 5 5 19
133 132 Potito Starace ITA 307 312 1 0 0 6 LUG R1 L
134 129 Todd Reid AUS 305 315 15 0 0 25 QUE Q R2 L
135 135 Ivo Heuberger SUI 304 304 5 5 HAL Q Q2
136 136 Alejandro Falla COL 303 303 1 1 QUE Q Q3

Abreviations:
Rnk = Ranking today
PRk = Previous ranking (7/6)
Nat = Nationality
Pts = Points
PPt = Previous points (7/6)
Add = Points added this week
18th = Worst result among the non-mandatory events
19th = Best result not included in the ranking
Off = Points coming off this week
Nxt Off = Points coming off next week
Trn(S) = Tournament and seeding (QUE=Queen's, HAL=Halle, FOR=Forest Hills, LUG=Lugano, WEI=Weiden)
Rnd = Round (R1, R2, R3, R4, QF, SF, F)
Res = Result (L = lost, W = won, v = versus)
Opp = Last/Next opponent