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There is a Lot of Argentine Resentment...

Chloe le Bopper
06-05-2004, 02:59 AM
Not so much on this board (although there are certainly a few around here to think that "they look the same, sound the same, play the same"), it certainly in the press and on other boards I've read.

I'm not sure if it's a general dislike of people from that region in general, or what it is, but apparently it's become politically correct to smack of prejudice whenever writing about these players.

Well, I hope just that those with that attitude enjoy this final as much as I will, and that they choke on their tongues while writing their next article about it, as they struggle to remember which was Gaudio and Coria ;)

Shy
06-05-2004, 03:53 AM
They are just jaleous of how well they are doing.I bet 3$ that many newspaper, monday ,will write the put the wrong caption under the picture.

ys
06-05-2004, 03:58 AM
It's wrong impression. Almost everyone loves Argentina. I can't wait to get back to there next summer.

Chloe le Bopper
06-05-2004, 04:03 AM
It's wrong impression. Almost everyone loves Argentina. I can't wait to get back to there next summer.
I don't doubt that you love Argentina. Lots of people love America but are still prejudiced against Americans ;) Much like I'm sure that the people writing articles and talking out their asses about how they all "look the same, sound the same, play the same" don't actually hate Argentina...

Anyways, perhaps there is some other reason for all the BS. That is sort of why I made this thread, hoping that somebody would share it with me.

MisterQ
06-05-2004, 04:31 AM
I agree that a lot of the coverage here focuses too much on nationality. There seems to be a subtext of disappointment that foreign non-native-English-speakers have taken control of the tournament, and an assumption that U.S. viewers will have trouble relating to them for this reason. I don't see why this has to be the case... If the media would act excited about these players, the enthusiasm might be contagious. Hopefully the continued success and exposure of the Argentinians in big tournaments will lead to their recognition as players with individual personalities and playing styles.

Ballbuster
06-05-2004, 04:32 AM
I agree that a lot of the coverage here focuses too much on nationality. There seems to be a subtext of disappointment that foreign non-native-English-speakers have taken control of the tournament, and an assumption that U.S. viewers will have trouble relating to them for this reason. I don't see why this has to be the case... If the media would act excited about these players, the enthusiasm might be contagious. Hopefully the continued success and exposure of the Argentinians in big tournaments will lead to their recognition as players with individual personalities and playing styles.


I wish I had the ability to come with great posts when I'm sober :-)

Action Jackson
06-05-2004, 07:07 AM
Argentine resentment well as Q said it doesn't help that they are from a non-English background, and I have gone into it many times why players who are better on clay are disrespected within the English-language media, even the ones like Nalbandian who excel on all surfaces are treated poorly and are at best given grudging respect.
Coria is well liked by the media, especially when they keep throwing around that he is like Borg shit around.

Maybe because of the rise of Argentine tennis and then the incidents with Chela, Coria and Puerta leave a lingering suspicion about their honesty with some people and these will use these points as a way of criticising all of them.

Then it comes down to laziness as well, they are all from Argentina they must be only good on clay.What do you think of Vilas? That question is always asked, they all play the same game, Nalbandian is different to Coria, Chela is different to Zabaleta, Gaudio is different to Calleri, just because they play from the baseline and they are from the same country then that's where the laziness comes in.

Marine
06-05-2004, 08:16 AM
I admit it, I don't like argentinian tennismen, mostly for their game, and Coria for many reasons.
But I love the argentinian football team :hearts:
Ans Sabatini was one of my favorites when I as very young.

G.O.
06-05-2004, 09:16 AM
What are you guys talking about?

They don't like Argentina because their the new kid on the block. You have to earn your respect. Argentina has many, many years before they are worthy of respect from the tennis world. Spain has been a power house for decades and France too. Just look at the success of Grojean and Clement.

Coria is bad for tennis. Yes, his enthusiam can be compelling at times but he's goes too far. The media often refer's to him as the clay court Hewitt. I agree. His on court antics get old, shouting VAMOOOS every two seconds, questioning calls, pressuring lines people....

Nalbandian is just a cry baby a-hole. Nobody like him. He refuses to get along with the media...I know. He won't learn english even though it's the atp official language....so on.

Canas is maybe (big maybe) the only guy I can stand. There's nothing more annoying in tennis then to watch some guy beat a seeded player and lose the next round. And after him you get a bunch of generic wanna be spaniards.

G.O.
06-05-2004, 09:18 AM
Oh yeah, and their all juiced too. Isn't it obvious?

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 09:22 AM
G.O. trying to be witty I see? Nice semi-troll by the way.

You must be living in the dark ages Nalbandian actually speaks English and doesn't use translators and you are having a go at his English, and how well does Coria speak English? Why should he get along with the media, if they don't ask intelligent questions well at least more than the one or two that they do now and then?

Please get something resembling a clue, though your stereotyping was funny to say the least. Though at least with Coria there were some points that made sense.

G.O.
06-05-2004, 09:26 AM
I'm sorry for trying to be witty. I don't mean to be.

G.O.
06-05-2004, 09:29 AM
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 09:33 AM
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.

So you claim to be in the media then? Actually I have to say I am pleased that you have graced us minions with your presence.

Btw, if you had that attitude with me if I was interviewed I would be a prick as well and English is actually my 3rd language, so there is an advantage of being a prick in more than language. Just to make sure I am right here are you from an English-speaking country? Not everyone here has the flag on their profile that reflects where they come from.

You could easily criticise Ferrero for not speaking English well, so why don't you?

propi
06-05-2004, 09:34 AM
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.
I forgot how fluent Andre and Andy are in French, Italian or Spanish :rolleyes:

What's happening here is easy.... Argies are having great success so now they'll will be added to the clay court players cathegory where all Spaniards are even if they own tittles in almost all surfaces

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 09:39 AM
I forgot how fluent Andre and Andy are in French, Italian or Spanish :rolleyes:

What's happening here is easy.... Argies are having great success so now they'll will be added to the clay court players cathegory where all Spaniards are even if they own tittles in almost all surfaces

It's happening now some of the great commentators call Nalbandian a claycourt specialist and conveniently forget he has made the QFs of every Slam at least once already.

G.O.
06-05-2004, 09:46 AM
Ferrero is a class act.

Andy, Andre, um, the speak ATP. That's english. If your gonna be a part of this tour try learning the Official Language...ENGLISH.

Like I said, they have a ways to go before we can start puttting them up there with Spain.

propi
06-05-2004, 09:48 AM
It's happening now some of the great commentators call Nalbandian a claycourt specialist and conveniently forget he has made the QFs of every Slam at least once already.
Everytime I realize commentators are :tape: :tape: :tape:
Nalbandian's big tourney was Wimbledon where he reached the finals, he lost and the following day everything in british media was about how pathetic his performances was and so on.... instead of giving him some credit for reaching it :rolleyes:
Ferrero and Moyà are still labelled as claycourters even if both have reached GS finals on hardcourts, have hardcourts TMS and have reached finals in YEC :rolleyes:

Sometimes you have to pay the prize for being good at what you do, that's happening now to Argies :) wait for the reports after they win Davis cup :)

G.O.
06-05-2004, 09:52 AM
He doesn't get credit. In the media world, things aint' fair, sorry. Besides the draw fell apart and he was left standing.

It was his first time in that situatin, boy did it show.

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 09:53 AM
Everytime I realize commentators are :tape: :tape: :tape:
Nalbandian's big tourney was Wimbledon where he reached the finals, he lost and the following day everything in british media was about how pathetic his performances was and so on.... instead of giving him some credit for reaching it :rolleyes:
Ferrero and Moyà are still labelled as claycourters even if both have reached GS finals on hardcourts, have hardcourts TMS and have reached finals in YEC :rolleyes:

Sometimes you have to pay the prize for being good at what you do, that's happening now to Argies :) wait for the reports after they win Davis cup :)

Yes, Alex Corretja the great claycourt specialist who won titles indoors, Indian Wells and TMC 98 indoor hardcourt against that other claycourt specialist Moya from 2 sets down, and beat Sampras on grass from 2 sets down. Oh I forgot he is a claycourt specialist.

The Argies will win a DC one day and Coria can play quite well on other surfaces and will improve, chubby Chela is quite competent on hardcourts as well, but hey that's not good reporting propi.

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 09:55 AM
Ferrero is a class act.

Andy, Andre, um, the speak ATP. That's english. If your gonna be a part of this tour try learning the Official Language...ENGLISH.

Like I said, they have a ways to go before we can start puttting them up there with Spain.

Personal preference for Ferrero, so do you think his English is great then? So don't go on bagging out people because of language ability.

Just remember the 14 words "we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children". You won't go wrong with that funny man.

G.O.
06-05-2004, 09:59 AM
Their watered down guys. There not the best on clay or any other surface. There a solid group, but that's pretty boring guys. You know this. They need to find their identity and that means focusing on your base...clay. And so far Spain is still superior. We'll see if Coria can change things.

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 10:09 AM
G.O. thanks for the trolls man you have brightened up my day and I can only thank you for that.

I love the fact that you are in the media, it's so cool and I am impressed especially with some of the insight.

G.O.
06-05-2004, 10:19 AM
Anytime.

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 10:20 AM
Anytime.

I will be eagerly awaiting your next comedy routine.

G.O.
06-05-2004, 10:28 AM
I got you the first time.

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 10:31 AM
I got you the first time.

Nah, I am still awaiting more comedic genius, it was funny the first time and I am waiting to see what you can produce next.

CarnivalCarnage
06-05-2004, 10:37 AM
They are just jaleous of how well they are doing.I bet 3$ that many newspaper, monday ,will write the put the wrong capture under the picture.

That's edited and it still says "capture"?

FryslanBoppe
06-05-2004, 10:44 AM
That's edited and it still says "capture"?

Capture or caption?

CoriaFan4ever
06-05-2004, 12:08 PM
Ferrero is a class act.

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its funny how players who are everyones darling such as ferrero and safin can get away with taking injury timeouts whenever thie opponent is serving for the match and coria is condamned for daring to question a line call sometimes :rolleyes: this double standard is annoying me to no end :mad:
btw: I like ferrero myself, but never understood how some players can get away with everything and some cant

fco253
06-05-2004, 12:31 PM
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.

Wow...Now I KNOW everybody can belong in the media...

fco253
06-05-2004, 12:38 PM
By the way (although considering you are in the media, you probably already know all this silly stuff), Spanish is outgrowing every other language in people that study it as a foreign language....

trixy
06-05-2004, 01:23 PM
Well here in Australia anyway the coverage just completely drops of any event if there isnt an Australian or even just any of the the big stars Andre, Andy ect. I mean they still have coverage because they have to but its not were as extensive. I remember last yr there was like 1/8 of the page reporting that Juan Carlos won roland garros :rolleyes:

It also doesnt help with Lleyton Hewitt saying things like 'Theres not many people I can talk to in the lockeroom' considering the only other english speaking person left in the draw of Tim Henman.

sigmagirl91
06-05-2004, 02:44 PM
And the ignorance continues....please stay tuned to the next "As the Narrow Minds Turn".....

Shy
06-05-2004, 02:51 PM
Capture or caption?
caption oups.

tangerine_dream
06-05-2004, 02:57 PM
I haven't noticed any "Argentine resentment" from the media. Most of the articles I've read are all over-the-moon over Coria, the King of Clay.

If anything, nobody in the media is paying much attention to Gaudio. They all pretty much assume that Coria's got this title in the bag.

Shy
06-05-2004, 03:00 PM
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.
He speaks english not bad at all for a second language.At least, Nalbandian can put a sentence together unlike most native english tennis player who can not even put three words together in other language.It is very hard to learn a new language.

sigmagirl91
06-05-2004, 03:08 PM
He speaks english not bad at all for a second language.At least, Nalbandian can put a sentence together unlike most native english tennis player who can not even put three words together in other language.It is very hard to learn a new language.

:worship: :worship:
And English is among the hardest languages to learn-even for those whose first language is English....

sigmagirl91
06-05-2004, 03:10 PM
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.

I suppose YOUR English is superb. Judging from your sentence structure, yours sucks as well. Nice try, troll man.

Chloe le Bopper
06-05-2004, 03:14 PM
its funny how players who are everyones darling such as ferrero and safin can get away with taking injury timeouts whenever thie opponent is serving for the match and coria is condamned for daring to question a line call sometimes :rolleyes: this double standard is annoying me to no end :mad:
btw: I like ferrero myself, but never understood how some players can get away with everything and some cant
Ferrero actually doesn't "get away with it". When he did it against Ferreira in Madrid, a number of people complained. Even I as a Ferrero fan was dissapointed. My commentators wanted him dead :p

Yes, it's worse for Coria, but there are many reasons for that.

Chloe le Bopper
06-05-2004, 03:15 PM
I admit it, I don't like argentinian tennismen, mostly for their game, and Coria for many reasons.
But I love the argentinian football team :hearts:
Ans Sabatini was one of my favorites when I as very young.

"Their game", eh? How appropriate that this be in my thread!

Chloe le Bopper
06-05-2004, 03:16 PM
Must we feed the troll? Oh, I suppose it's sort of funny, but I don't even find this one very amusing.

sigmagirl91
06-05-2004, 03:16 PM
. I'm in the media

So, you're PMac, Mary, and Cliffy rolled into one, right? You really are a hoot. Stick to your real day job, bozo.... :o

Chloe le Bopper
06-05-2004, 03:17 PM
Writing for your school newspaper does not qualify as being "in the media".

jazz_girl
06-05-2004, 03:25 PM
Writing for your school newspaper does not qualify as being "in the media".
ROTFLMAO!!!!
As an Argentine I should be offended with most of these posts, but I'm LMAO!
Please, get a clue!

willie
06-05-2004, 04:54 PM
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.

why dont other country journalists learn spanish

Clara Bow
06-05-2004, 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by G.O.
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.

He speaks english not bad at all for a second language.At least, Nalbandian can put a sentence together unlike most native english tennis player who can not even put three words together in other language.It is very hard to learn a new language.

Yes- and Nalby's English has gotten progressively better. Why not give him credit for learing and improving?

petition
06-05-2004, 08:43 PM
as you are 'in the media' GO, i'm surprised you don't know that Coria DOES speak English--as he has said in press conferences, his English is not great, and he does not want to say anything that could be misunderstood or misquoted (understandable given his past...).
As for Nalbandian he speaks very good English--watch his interviews on the rg site, and remember the interviews he did for BBC before the Wimbledon final.

As for not liking them for their game, that's really dumb--not only are they all different, but its not exactly like America is producing a diverse group is it (roddick: big forehand, baseliner; ginepri: big forehand, baseliner; blake: big forehand, baseliner etc.). People from the same country tend to play similarly since they live and play in the same culture and conditions.

This anti-anyone who's not American or a 'big star' bias is getting dumb; TV people calling Ferrero 'a surpise' before last year's US Open final, or Coria this year in Miami 'a newcomer' is hampering the game--THESE GUYS ARE THE BEST--SO THEY'RE NOT AMERICAN, SUCH IS LIFE. GET OVER IT!

Fostin
06-06-2004, 12:52 AM
OMG I keep reading and reading and I`m starting to think "what the heck I`m doin`here...."

Fostin
06-06-2004, 12:54 AM
Nalbandian English is not THAT good, He still has to improve I`ve watched some press conferences and He has a good pronuntiation. IMO, I would speak spanish, just like Coria. ;)

sigmagirl91
06-06-2004, 02:35 AM
Nalbandian English is not THAT good

Better than some people whose first language is English....and that's a lot of people...

ale
06-06-2004, 03:56 AM
Nalbandian speaks a little, but he sucks. And Coria none. I'm in the media and I ask very good questions. He just has some chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude.

It would be good for American media to have reporters who also speak Spanish. But why bother right? I dont know why but your cockyness reminds me of some Texan a-hole. I am sure you ask very good questions - you sound like a smart ass that has a chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude G.O. Bad Attitude! That's why the media is so easily controlled now a days. You should do some soul searching as the New York Times did. :wavey:

ale
06-06-2004, 04:08 AM
Petition!!


:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

PerezRoldan
06-06-2004, 05:32 AM
G.O you troll I mean come on you can do better than that, no wonder there are rubbish journalists in the media, if your claim to be in the media is true.

Btw, I doubt you could form an intelligent question. My English is better than yours and it's not my first language, so keep writing articles about Nascar.

Clara Bow
06-06-2004, 06:13 AM
It would be good for American media to have reporters who also speak Spanish. But why bother right? I dont know why but your cockyness reminds me of some Texan a-hole. I am sure you ask very good questions - you sound like a smart ass that has a chip on his shoulder. Bad attitude G.O. Bad Attitude!

Hey- don't lump all of us Texans together. ;) End all be all...I find it hard to really find any validity in a supposed journalist who bitches about sports figures not having perfect English when you know that he/she probably does not even have an intermediate knowledge of any additional language themselves.

Action Jackson
06-06-2004, 06:16 AM
There seems to be a troll infestation at the moment for some reason, quantity over quality perhaps.

Anyway, if these players weren't from Argentina and were from Australia, UK, US you would hear what great achievements this group of players had done and they would be lauded. I mean a perfect example is Henman did well and took advantage of a generous draw, but he had a go and did very well to make the semis at RG, yet when Nalbandian did the same at Wimbledon, the press tried as hard as they could to discredit him.

ale
06-06-2004, 06:25 AM
Hey- don't lump all of us Texans together. ;) .....

hehehe. I dont do that CB. But this "supposed journalist" reminded me of someone. :wavey:

Action Jackson
06-06-2004, 06:30 AM
hehehe. I dont do that CB. But this "supposed journalist" reminded me of someone. :wavey:

I think this "alleged" journalist is the son of Big Jim Mattress Mac of Houston.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 06:51 AM
There seems to be a troll infestation at the moment for some reason, quantity over quality perhaps.

Anyway, if these players weren't from Argentina and were from Australia, UK, US you would hear what great achievements this group of players had done and they would be lauded. I mean a perfect example is Henman did well and took advantage of a generous draw, but he had a go and did very well to make the semis at RG, yet when Nalbandian did the same at Wimbledon, the press tried as hard as they could to discredit him.
Yes, Nalbandian was just a Wimbledon fluke, taking advantage of a busted ass draw. But Hewitt? Who hasn't done as well in slams as Nalbandian since? Oh, that was just a fantastic victory for him, and well earned.

Zetlandsk
06-06-2004, 06:56 AM
Oh, of course making the QFs of every slam within such a short period of time is such a poor achievement, I mean has Roddick done it? That's the thing there will always be stereotyping and resentment from the old tennis world countries, who seem to forget that it's a global game, it's mostly in the US, though the others like Australia and the UK aren't too far behind that in some regards.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 06:57 AM
In the next year or two I suspect that David will have made the semis of every slam, and not just the qf. He's only one short as it is, and he's only 22. But meh, that is a crap achievement, so who cares, right? ;)

Clara Bow
06-06-2004, 06:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clara Bow
Hey- don't lump all of us Texans together. .....


hehehe. I dont do that CB. But this "supposed journalist" reminded me of someone.

Ohh..because I am stupid and posted on the boards after a night out ***whispers -never a good idea*** I was an idiot and didn't get who you were first talking about. I suspect you are talking about Mattess mac Right?

Topic: I think that the announcers here in the US do laregely ingore the South American and Spanish players with the exception of Guga. Which frankly, is really stupid, because the Hispanic population is the largest growing population in the US and just in terms of dollars there could be some great interest generated.

G.O.
06-06-2004, 06:59 AM
Everyone take it easy. I am not a journalist. I said I was in the "media" right? That can many things.

I do us events only. I have no need to learn another language, but they do.

It's really a shame Shanghai out bid Houson. Jim had great thing going there. Don't belive everything you read. Individually I don't know of many guys who have done more for our sport. Jim's an emotional guy who isn't shy about showing his support for his boys. What's wrong with that?

It's good to hear you varied view's on this. It makes for interesting discussion. But in the future I recomend responding with something other than insults and maybe try making a point or two.

And for all you haters, I am a proud Texan.

Zetlandsk
06-06-2004, 07:03 AM
Nice troll G.O, and there actually has been comments that weren't insults, then again I wouldn't expect you to have taken too much notice.

Clara Bow
06-06-2004, 07:04 AM
It's good to hear you varied view's on this. It makes for interesting discussion. But in the future I recomend responding with something other than insults and maybe try making a point or two.

And for all you haters, I am a proud Texan.

Not all of us responded with insults. However, on the other hand, you were very faint with praise for those who are learning English. And as a Texan myself, I recommend that you also commend non-English speakers when they do attempt at least to know the language as opposed to automatically dismissing them all. In particular- living in Texas - where there are a large number of people who are not 100% fluent in English*- I am surprised that you have such a somewhat narrow and dismissive view of non-native English speakers.


* For instance some of my fiance's family who lives in El Paso.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 07:06 AM
Poor troll isn't getting enough love *wipes away a tear*

G.O.
06-06-2004, 07:08 AM
I can't figure out what you guys see in Nalbandian. If he's so good why did he choke against the journeyman Gaudio.

He may win a few slams by the end, but with all the competion out there now it's gonna be tough. Besides he has no real weapon other than his mental toughness and Hewitt showed how valuable that is. He's gotta work on that serve too. He's got his work cut out for him.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 07:12 AM
I can't figure out what you guys see in Nalbandian. If he's so good why did he choke against the journeyman Gaudio.

He may win a few slams by the end, but with all the competion out there now it's gonna be tough. Besides he has no real weapon other than his mental toughness and Hewitt showed how valuable that is. He's gotta work on that serve too. He's got his work cut out for him.
I love how the troll contradicts itself so much, all in the very same post.

"Whats so great about Nalbandian?"

"He may win a few slams by the end

"He has no weapon other than his mental toughness"

"Hewitt showed how valuable that is"

Could somebody explain to me what point the troll is trying to make? He's singing David's praises without even realizing it.

G.O.
06-06-2004, 07:18 AM
clare bow,

It's the responsibility for the players to learn english. Many of the atp chair umps speak french and english, but they all speak english. Why do you suppose that is?

G.O.
06-06-2004, 07:21 AM
I have no problem admitting David is a fine player, but some of you guys make it sound like he's the next multi-slam winner.

My point is that it's too soon to say this. He's shown some promise, but I would lay off all the "slam" talk for now.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 07:23 AM
I have no problem admitting David is a fine player, but some of you guys make it sound like he's the next multi-slam winner.

My point is that it's too soon to say this. He's shown some promise, but I would lay off all the "slam" talk for now.
Are you telling this to yourself? Because you really ought to be.

Clara Bow
06-06-2004, 07:24 AM
G. O.

Again- why are you very faint with praise for those who are trying to learn English (i.e. Nalbanidian)?

Zetlandsk
06-06-2004, 07:27 AM
clare bow,

It's the responsibility for the players to learn english. Many of the atp chair umps speak french and english, but they all speak english. Why do you suppose that is?

Keep it up xenophobe.

G.O.
06-06-2004, 07:28 AM
Clare Bow,

Why should I be? It's their job to learn english. English is by far the most widely used language on the tour. When was the last time Andy went to play somewhere and needed to speak Spanish?

I don't understand you thinking.


Rebecca are going to say something or continure acting like a little girl?

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 07:29 AM
G. O.

Again- why are you very faint with praise for those who are trying to learn English (i.e. Nalbanidian)?
As Zetlandsk so aptly stated, our new troll is a gigantic xenophobe... which pretty much cancels out the objectivity of any opinion he's ever going to share on this messageboard.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 07:30 AM
Rebecca are going to say something or continure acting like a little girl?

I'd love to continure, but I'm not quite sure what it means.

Come on now, if you are going to harp on people who can't speak english, at least spell correctly. I make typos and spelling errors all the time, but you don't see me bagging on those who speak three other languages before English.

Clara Bow
06-06-2004, 07:30 AM
G O
Forget it! I was trying to have an actual discussion but I just got several culturaly chauvanist responses.

Soy demasiado estúpido entender lo que usted dice porque soy hispano. Así que yo me callaré ahora.

G.O.
06-06-2004, 07:34 AM
People lay off the insults, it's making you look bad.

It would be nice if Andre would conduct an interview in French for the media and fans, but I don't think it's going to happen. And why it's not needed.

Naturally your paranoia has led you into thinking that I think the entire planet should be speaking english. My point is we need to have an official language for the players it so happens that many tennis players are competant in speaking english. If more players, coaches and media spoke spanish then the official language should be spanish.

Now can you all relax.

G.O.
06-06-2004, 07:35 AM
Clare Bow,

What did you say earlier about insults? Is that all you can do when you face a challenge is insult people?

G.O.
06-06-2004, 07:41 AM
Rebecca, what does a typing error have to do with anything. I didn't mispell anyting.

Clara Bow
06-06-2004, 07:46 AM
GO- I am sorry if I came off as insulting. It is just that I have grown up where I heard stories of where my grandmother (who grew up in west Texas but was born in Chihuahua) used to be insulted hit with a ruler across her hands in school or even hit with a paddle because she did not speak English "clear enough." She was trying to learn English. And then my fiance's family has similar sories. I just get frustrated when people act like everyone needs to automoatically know English fluently and does not even give them creidt for when they are trying to learn...as many of the players are- in between playing tennis. Even if it was the official language of the ATP many of these players did not grow up speaking it- so I failed to understand why you were so dismissive of players who were not fluent in English, and moreover, dismissive of players who were learning and not yet fluent in English.
This idea of "English is the language of the ATP- everyone who does not speak it fluently is no good" was rather insulting to me.

G.O.
06-06-2004, 07:50 AM
It's a misunderstanding.

We need an official language. Naturally it should be english. Thats all I'm saying. If the situation we reversed between spanish speaking nations and english speaking nations then I would say the players should speak spanish.

Clara Bow
06-06-2004, 07:53 AM
GO

shakes hand..moves on...

(I don't like to argue on the forums.)

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2004, 08:58 AM
The players should be able to speak enough of a particular language in order to communicate with the umpires. That is all. Their job is to play tennis. The media crap is secondary, and they can use translators in those situations.

lsy
06-06-2004, 09:00 AM
clare bow,

It's the responsibility for the players to learn english. Many of the atp chair umps speak french and english, but they all speak english. Why do you suppose that is?

To think I actually thought the players responsibilities are to play good tennis to entertain the fans. Pardon my ignorance.

ale
06-06-2004, 09:02 AM
I can't figure out what you guys see in Nalbandian. If he's so good why did he choke against the journeyman Gaudio.

FYI G.O. Nalbandian was not able to move today. He is injured. He is not going to Halle and might not be playing in Wimbli. Are you choking? BYE !!BYE!! :wavey:

rassklovn
06-06-2004, 09:04 AM
As Zetlandsk said G.O is just a xenophobe troll who is trying to cause trouble.

lsy
06-06-2004, 09:04 AM
The players should be able to speak enough of a particular language in order to communicate with the umpires. That is all. Their job is to play tennis. The media crap is secondary, and they can use translators in those situations.

Oh good, so I wasn't the only one who was ignorant here and got confused with their reponsibilties ;)

G.O.
06-06-2004, 09:17 AM
FYI G.O. Nalbandian was not able to move today. He is injured. He is not going to Halle and might not be playing in Wimbli. Are you choking? BYE !!BYE!! :wavey:

Your point?

G.O.
06-06-2004, 09:23 AM
As Zetlandsk said G.O is just a xenophobe troll who is trying to cause trouble.

Your paranoid.

Like it of not english is the leading language in the world. So of course it everyone on tour speaks it. Or should. What if Coria wanted a non-spanish speaking coach. I guess he'd have to work on his english.

Somehow I get the impression your comments tie into the fact that I'm American. Hmmm.

rassklovn
06-06-2004, 09:29 AM
Your paranoid.

Like it of not english is the leading language in the world. So of course it everyone on tour speaks it. Or should. What if Coria wanted a non-spanish speaking coach. I guess he'd have to work on his english.

Somehow I get the impression your comments tie into the fact that I'm American. Hmmm.

Keep it up paranoid one and you never answered one of the previous questions are you Big Jim' s son?

Considering that I speak English, it might be beyond yourself and the fact you enjoy trolling, that I could be aware of that great fact about English you just told me.

Yes, you are a xenophobe and that's obvious with this campaign of yours, attempting to denigrate everyone who doesn't speak English, and yes there are many people on here that speak English as a 2nd/3rd language to a higher than yourself and it's your native tongue.

G.O.
06-06-2004, 09:34 AM
Keep it up paranoid one and you never answered one of the previous questions are you Big Jim' s son?

Considering that I speak English, it might be beyond yourself and the fact you enjoy trolling, that I could be aware of that great fact about English you just told me.

Yes, you are a xenophobe and that's obvious with this campaign of yours, attempting to denigrate everyone who doesn't speak English, and yes there are many people on here that speak English as a 2nd/3rd language to a higher than yourself and it's your native tongue.


I would love to respond to you nonsense, but I'm afraid I don't understand your english.

:wavey: Loser

G.O.
06-06-2004, 09:35 AM
It's obvious you have a fear of America.

rassklovn
06-06-2004, 09:37 AM
I would love to respond to you nonsense, but I'm afraid I don't understand your english.

:wavey: Loser

Nice try troll boy, I have read and engaged with your nonsencial tripe for long enough. :yawn:

G.O.
06-06-2004, 09:47 AM
Nice try troll boy, I have read and engaged with your nonsencial tripe for long enough. :yawn:


What?

What is nonsencial?

Don't even try to knock American's for speaking one language when you spell like that dude. That wasn't even close.

I noticed no Americans on you player fav list.

:wavey: America Hater

ale
06-06-2004, 09:50 AM
Your point?

ok troll last one....he was injured when he played with Gaudio. imbecil :wavey: :wavey:

G.O.
06-06-2004, 09:54 AM
ok troll last one....he was injured when he played with Gaudio. imbecil :wavey: :wavey:


Bullshit.

rassklovn
06-06-2004, 10:01 AM
What?

What is nonsencial?

Don't even try to knock American's for speaking one language when you spell like that dude. That wasn't even close.

I noticed no Americans on you player fav list.

:wavey: America Hater

Ok, grandiloquent one I am almost hurt by the abuse that you have thrown my way, of course you haven't said anything at all in any of your posts that resembles a logical thought pattern, then again as a troll I really shouldn't be giving you too much credit.

One spelling error that I have made and on with this crap that I write/speak English poorly? What's going on and now you think I am an American hater, of course there happens to be many American people on this board, who I happen to like.

Once again xenophobe troll your arguments have no credence and your magnificent ineptitude is a skill I hope to reach some day.

You are my hero G.O and that's all you will ever be.

Enough troll feeding for today.

G.O.
06-06-2004, 10:08 AM
Don't get yourself worked up dude.

*Ljubica*
06-06-2004, 11:08 AM
Ok, grandiloquent one I am almost hurt by the abuse that you have thrown my way, of course you haven't said anything at all in any of your posts that resembles a logical thought pattern, then again as a troll I really shouldn't be giving you too much credit.

One spelling error that I have made and on with this crap that I write/speak English poorly? What's going on and now you think I am an American hater, of course there happens to be many American people on this board, who I happen to like.

Once again xenophobe troll your arguments have no credence and your magnificent ineptitude is a skill I hope to reach some day.

You are my hero G.O and that's all you will ever be.

Enough troll feeding for today.


:worship: :worship: Great answer rassklovn :worship: :worship:

little duck
06-06-2004, 11:47 AM
As far as I can recall, presitent of Peru if I'm not wrong said in one occasion (after that financial disaster in Argentina from last year):

"We all know that banks bancrupted in Argentina because Argentinians are just an ordinary bunch of thieves".

And this comes from a president of another conutry. Now, top that!

undomiele
06-06-2004, 02:10 PM
Their watered down guys. There not the best on clay or any other surface. There a solid group, but that's pretty boring guys. You know this. They need to find their identity and that means focusing on your base...clay. And so far Spain is still superior. We'll see if Coria can change things.

You're embarassing yourself and the beauty of it all is that you don't even realize it. In *3* tries you misspelled the pronoun and still couldn't find the right one (psst! its They're). You're a riot. :rolls: Go back to grammar school before denigrating the linguistic skills of hispanic players in English --which in most cases is just their second language. :rolleyes: I mean come on!

Shy
06-06-2004, 02:13 PM
G.O has been insulting pretty much everyone that isn't american.He has been insuting from Argentinians to Asians. So,no need to listen to ignorant people.

sigmagirl91
06-06-2004, 07:20 PM
As far as I can recall, presitent of Peru if I'm not wrong said in one occasion (after that financial disaster in Argentina from last year):

"We all know that banks bancrupted in Argentina because Argentinians are just an ordinary bunch of thieves".

And this comes from a president of another conutry. Now, top that!

Not going to, because that smacks of ignorance of the worst kind. I can only guess what the rest of the world is saying about President Bush....

Zetlandsk
07-15-2004, 02:24 PM
Bump

The tennis world must be loving all the dominance by Argentina. Two Argentines in the final of Roland Garros, and an all-Argentine final in Båstad. Come to think of it, the Americans must be hating that Federer that is # 1 and the Argentines are the best on clay, so yes tennis needs saving doesn't it.

RogiFan88
07-15-2004, 03:09 PM
Argentine resentment? no different to Belgian or Russian resentment... or even Spanish resentment... this will happen every time a slam final features two players fr the same country that is NOT the USA...

RogiFan88
07-15-2004, 03:12 PM
Bump

The tennis world must be loving all the dominance by Argentina. Two Argentines in the final of Roland Garros, and an all-Argentine final in Båstad. Come to think of it, the Americans must be hating that Federer that is # 1 and the Argentines are the best on clay, so yes tennis needs saving doesn't it.


;) hee hee

alfonsojose
07-15-2004, 03:26 PM
This thread is :zzz:

Ballbuster
07-15-2004, 05:20 PM
Keep it up paranoid one and you never answered one of the previous questions are you Big Jim' s son?
.

I am Big jim's son. GO is brad gilbert :)

Chloe le Bopper
07-15-2004, 07:51 PM
This thread is :zzz:
Then what a surprise to think that most of your posts haven't found their way here... ;)

(EDIT) I suppose that you like to save your work for quality threads - like the Dick thread...

Chloe le Bopper
07-15-2004, 07:52 PM
Argentine resentment? no different to Belgian or Russian resentment... or even Spanish resentment... this will happen every time a slam final features two players fr the same country that is NOT the USA...
It's different to how the Beligans are treated... you don't hear people refering to Kim and Justine as if they are one player with the same playing style. Now, there are people who foolishly group the Russian women altogether, but that is getting better now that some of them have separated from the pack a bit.

BaselineSmash
07-15-2004, 08:09 PM
(EDIT) I suppose that you like to save your work for quality threads - like the Dick thread...

Quite.

Havok
07-15-2004, 08:46 PM
Bump

The tennis world must be loving all the dominance by Argentina. Two Argentines in the final of Roland Garros, and an all-Argentine final in Båstad. Come to think of it, the Americans must be hating that Federer that is # 1 and the Argentines are the best on clay, so yes tennis needs saving doesn't it.
the tennis world isn't being dominated by Argentina (little domiance by them on the clay, but not full on diminance) and why would the americans be hating the fact that Federer is #1 and the Agrentines are the best on clay? I think Andy's doing just fine at #2 and the 2nd best grass player and owning the hardcourt season this year alongside Federer:cool:

TennisLurker
07-16-2004, 01:08 AM
realityryan during australia GO durin rg hitchsomething during wimbledon


who will be the roddick fan troll during the us open?

akin
07-16-2004, 01:17 AM
REBECCA...DO YOU HAVE A LIFE BESIDES THIS FORUM?

Chloe le Bopper
07-16-2004, 02:48 AM
REBECCA...DO YOU HAVE A LIFE BESIDES THIS FORUM?
No, none whatsoever. This is all I do.

Are you having a love affair with the Caps Lock?

Chloe le Bopper
07-16-2004, 02:49 AM
P.S. - I'm also fat, ugly, and have an IQ of 25. Just so that we've got all our bases covered.

Ballbuster
07-16-2004, 02:50 AM
REBECCA...DO YOU HAVE A LIFE BESIDES THIS FORUM?

I don't. What's wrong with that anyways

Zetlandsk
07-16-2004, 02:54 AM
No, none whatsoever. This is all I do.

Are you having a love affair with the Caps Lock?

This one is a Coria troll and told GWH to get brain surgery. :)

Chloe le Bopper
07-16-2004, 02:57 AM
This one is a Coria troll and told GWH to get brain surgery. :)
Ah, yes. This is the brain surgery fellow. Creative ;)

Zetlandsk
07-16-2004, 03:00 AM
Ah, yes. This is the brain surgery fellow. Creative ;)

Oozing creativity. :)

PerezRoldan
08-31-2004, 07:20 AM
realityryan during australia GO durin rg hitchsomething during wimbledon


who will be the roddick fan troll during the us open?

Bump G O is back and I have reflected on some of the man's great work here.

Gaudio-Zabaleta an all-Argentine final in Båstad and Canas-Gaudio an all-Argentine final in Stuttgart, he would have loved that more than most Argentines, knowing his love for all things Argentine and people not being able to speak English well.

*Ljubica*
08-31-2004, 07:42 AM
Wonder why there are more Roddick trolls than any other type :confused:

Marc Rosset is Tall
08-31-2004, 09:00 AM
Wonder why there are more Roddick trolls than any other type :confused:

Maybe Roddick has that troll magnetism that Coria does during the claycourt season, then again maybe Brad Gilbert pays these people to troll on this board.

Seriously, I remember when the press went out of their way to try and discredit Nalbandian when he made the Wimbledon final, saying what a fluke and this guy can't play, though he has made at least the quarters of every slam and Coria can only play on clay.

Then when Calleri smoked Agassi at Miami, the English-language press seemed stunned and made out Agassi was beaten by a rank amateur.

Lalitha
08-31-2004, 09:35 AM
Maybe Roddick has that troll magnetism that Coria does during the claycourt season, then again maybe Brad Gilbert pays these people to troll on this board.



Good thought! :yeah:


Seriously, I remember when the press went out of their way to try and discredit Nalbandian when he made the Wimbledon final, saying what a fluke and this guy can't play, though he has made at least the quarters of every slam and Coria can only play on clay.

Then when Calleri smoked Agassi at Miami, the English-language press seemed stunned and made out Agassi was beaten by a rank amateur



What's new in that? It's been happening everytime and I'm sure it will continue to.

But I feel like, by discussing these points, we are giving some sort of recognition to those press. What if we remained silent on these issues and let them talk to themselves with nobody to listen.

RonE
08-31-2004, 09:38 AM
Wonder why there are more Roddick trolls than any other type :confused:

Maybe it's because they know how controversial a topic Roddick is on these boards and that being the troublemakers they are they want to stirr up as much trouble as possible.

They are aware of the tension between some posters who are pro-Roddick and others who aren't and so create confusion and chaos so they can sit back relax and enjoy the mayhem (and also occassionally participate in it).

azza
08-31-2004, 05:50 PM
"they look the same, sound the same

I think your thinking of Asian players :wavey:

Coleburg83
08-31-2004, 07:38 PM
I don't like Nalbandian because he's a whiner the same as I don't like Ljubicic, not because he's from Argentina and of Armenian descent or whatever.

Get over it, just because a player is disliked doesn't mean it's from where he's from, though with the Roddick hate, it does seem to be because he's from the USA, since it's constantly mentioned.

*Ljubica*
08-31-2004, 07:42 PM
I don't like Nalbandian because he's a whiner the same as I don't like Ljubicic, not because he's from Argentina and of Armenian descent or whatever.

Get over it, just because a player is disliked doesn't mean it's from where he's from, though with the Roddick hate, it does seem to be because he's from the USA, since it's constantly mentioned.

Funny how the two players you call "whiners" happen to be two of the players with the guts and honesty to stand up for what they believe in, which, has on occasions, meant being frank and honest about Duckboy! Just a thought :)

Coleburg83
08-31-2004, 07:44 PM
Frank and honest enough to say that he's a better player than they are, hence the head to head, records and titles?

*Ljubica*
08-31-2004, 07:50 PM
Frank and honest enough to say that he's a better player than they are, hence the head to head, records and titles?

I think their frankness and honesty had more to do with his personality, - which as I have met him many times is something I totally agree with them on. However, there are far too many threads here discussing the merits (or lack of them) of Duckboy, so don't think a thread about Argentine resentment is quite the best place for such a discussion.

Black Adam
08-31-2004, 07:58 PM
frankly i love both andy roddick's and david nalbandian's games coz they are one of the few players to perform well at grand slams : nalby reaching every quater of all the slams and roddick reaching 3 semi finals out of 4 possible.......... i still wonder why ppl may hate david and andy coz of their nationalities.

tangerine_dream
08-31-2004, 08:08 PM
Wonder why there are more Roddick trolls than any other type

:haha: Says the anti-Roddick troll who can't go a day without trashing Roddick in any thread she can find. Gee, I don't know the answer to that either, Rosie. Maybe you can clue us in? :bigcry:

Funny how the two players you call "whiners" happen to be two of the players with the guts and honesty to stand up for what they believe in, which, has on occasions, meant being frank and honest about Duckboy! Just a thought :)

Can you please post a link showing what exactly Dahveed's "guts and honesty" were with regards to Andy? Thanks.

Coleburg83
08-31-2004, 08:27 PM
By the way, what's up with this Argentina dominance thing?

Federer is the dominant force this year.

When was the last year that an American didn't win a Grand Slam, if not several? Let's look at the past 15 years:


2003 - Agassi, Roddick
2002 - Sampras
2001 - Agassi
2000 - Agassi, Sampras
1999 - Agassi (2), Sampras
1998 - Sampras
1997 - Sampras (2)
1996 - Sampras
1995 - Agassi, Sampras (2)
1994 - Sampras (2), Agassi
1993 - Courier, Sampras (2)
1992 - Courier (2), Agassi
1991 - Courier
1990 - Sampras
1989 - Chang

Last year Year-End #1: Roddick (USA)
Currently: #1 Federer (SUI), #2 Roddick (USA), #3 Coria (ARG)

Um Argentina's dominance breeding resentment?

2004 - Gaudio
Prior 25 years since Vilas? None

Unless we have different definitions of the word. Now Argentina has some good players, but dominating enough to cause resentment is stretching it a bit IMHO.

BTW...I'm not trying to belittle Argentina or anyone, just pointing out the facts, I frankly don't care which ones can speak English or what not, personally I'm trying to learn Spanish so I can get to know some of those latina chicks in Miami when I move there next summer. ;)

sigmagirl91
09-01-2004, 12:19 AM
:haha: Says the anti-Roddick troll who can't go a day without trashing Roddick in any thread she can find. Gee, I don't know the answer to that either, Rosie. Maybe you can clue us in? :bigcry:

I don't see where she "trashed" Roddick. I mean, where did she start calling Roddick every name but a saint in this particular thread? If you are able to point out a specific instance ("I don't like Roddick" doesn't count, btw) where she said that, then I will recant what I just said.

But it's funny that you can't go a day without trashing David-and in another player's forum at that. Sometimes, the thread doesn't have to have anything to do with David and you have something to say. It's OK that you don't like a certain player, but to trash that player in another player's forum is kinda low, don't you think?

star
09-01-2004, 12:48 AM
I don't think you can back up that claim. If you can, I stand corrected. :)

sigmagirl91
09-01-2004, 12:55 AM
I don't think you can back up that claim. If you can, I stand corrected. :)

Then, consider yourself corrected. If you care to venture to the Roger forum, then you will understand.

rassklovn
09-01-2004, 04:28 AM
By the way, what's up with this Argentina dominance thing?

Unless we have different definitions of the word. Now Argentina has some good players, but dominating enough to cause resentment is stretching it a bit IMHO.

BTW...I'm not trying to belittle Argentina or anyone, just pointing out the facts, I frankly don't care which ones can speak English or what not, personally I'm trying to learn Spanish so I can get to know some of those latina chicks in Miami when I move there next summer. ;)

Actually whether you mean it or not you are belittling them and at least you acknowledge that language ability isn't an issue.

There is something that you are missing and all the #1s posted wasn't really needed. Ok, from the mid 80s to about 1990 the Swedes were the best overall nation, I mean 6 players in the top 20 from a country with only 8,5 mil at the time, and yes they were the dominant nation but Lendl was clearly the best player in the time.

When this was happening it was oh! the Swedes are so boring robots who are exactly the same and play the same way just like they are saying about the Argentines now, even when ample evidence shows it was not true, and it's lazy journalism ex Edberg played nothing like Wilander. Nalbandian plays nothing like Gaudio for example.

*Ljubica*
09-01-2004, 05:28 AM
I don't see where she "trashed" Roddick. I mean, where did she start calling Roddick every name but a saint in this particular thread? If you are able to point out a specific instance ("I don't like Roddick" doesn't count, btw) where she said that, then I will recant what I just said.

But it's funny that you can't go a day without trashing David-and in another player's forum at that. Sometimes, the thread doesn't have to have anything to do with David and you have something to say. It's OK that you don't like a certain player, but to trash that player in another player's forum is kinda low, don't you think?

Thanks for your support Sigma. Because I have the orange one on IGNORE I only ever see her comments now if someone like you quotes from them - and I am telling you - missing out on most of her verbal diarrhoea is a great place to be :) I would like to add though, that the first mention of Roddick in this forum about Argentine resentment came from Roddick troll Coleburg83 - not from me at all - bur then tangerinus only ever saw what her limited mental capacity allowed her to see.

Coleburg83
09-01-2004, 05:35 AM
You can't compare Argentina's players now to Sweden's in the late 1980's and early 90's.

Edberg and Wilander won all kinds of slams, Lendl was the best, but you can't compare that to now.

Like I said, one slam in the past 25 years has been one by an Argentinian, that's not fault, if you can consider winning Bastaad and other small tournaments as dominating, then fine, but it's just not realistic.

Marc Rosset is Tall
09-01-2004, 05:41 AM
You can't compare Argentina's players now to Sweden's in the late 1980's and early 90's.

Edberg and Wilander won all kinds of slams, Lendl was the best, but you can't compare that to now.

Like I said, one slam in the past 25 years has been one by an Argentinian, that's not fault, if you can consider winning Bastaad and other small tournaments as dominating, then fine, but it's just not realistic.

Where did it say in rassklovn's post that there was Argentine domination? There was nothing suggesting that at all, it was comparing the negativity of the times when the Swedes were the best in the 80s and never stated that the Argentines were the best, it's just that they are having some success at the moment and through various factors, location, all of them are drugged up, only play well on clay that there are many people who don't like that.

Then again I suppose having 4 Argentines in the semis of TMS Hamburg last year, and 3 in the semis is rubbish then? Where is the domination? They would need to make a few DC finals in a row for that to be realistic.

Coleburg83
09-01-2004, 05:48 AM
Marc, he was making a comparison between Swedish players then and Argentinian players now, but as I pointed out, there is no comparison, one or two TMS events and one Slam is not comparable at all to Sweden in the 80's and early 90's.

Marc Rosset is Tall
09-01-2004, 05:52 AM
Marc, he was making a comparison between Swedish players then and Argentinian players now, but as I pointed out, there is no comparison, one or two TMS events and one Slam is not comparable at all to Sweden in the 80's and early 90's.

Actually incorrect, you are seeing it as you want to see it and not objectively.

The concept that you are not getting and look at the thread title it says resentment in there and not domination. That was used because when the Swedes were the best nation in the world during that time, there was a lot of resentment because of that, and why this was mentioned. There is resentment of the emerging success of the Argentines, but domination was not mentioned at all, just trying to get it to suit your own arguments.

Coleburg83
09-01-2004, 05:58 AM
Well you see, actually you see the "concept" I am talking about:

Zetlandsk:
"The tennis world must be loving all the dominance by Argentina. Two Argentines in the final of Roland Garros, and an all-Argentine final in Båstad. Come to think of it, the Americans must be hating that Federer that is # 1 and the Argentines are the best on clay, so yes tennis needs saving doesn't it."

That's what I was *obviously* addressing.

Can I suggest reading the posts before commenting in the future?

Marc Rosset is Tall
09-01-2004, 06:03 AM
Well you see, actually you the "concept" I am talking about:

Zetlandsk:
"The tennis world must be loving all the dominance by Argentina. Two Argentines in the final of Roland Garros, and an all-Argentine final in Båstad. Come to think of it, the Americans must be hating that Federer that is # 1 and the Argentines are the best on clay, so yes tennis needs saving doesn't it."

That's what I was *obviously* addressing.

Can I suggest reading the posts before commenting in the future?

Is Zetlandsk the same as rassklovn? I was addressing the comments that you made about rassklovn's posts and not Zetlandsk's.

Two, I read that and didn't take much notice of it why? Because in the vast majority of claycourt events of this year there was at least one Argentine in the final and some had both Argentines. Yes, they might be the dominant nation on clay along with the Spaniards, but not dominant in the overall sense of the game.

I suggest you try and come up with something a bit better next time. :)

Coleburg83
09-01-2004, 06:10 AM
And my suggestion stays the same.

You see the jist of what we were talking about on these last couple pages since you obviously didn't read them was the "dominance" post and the comparison between Swedish and Argentinian players is not very valid because it's really the Slams that count in the end and the TMS events close behind when the top players are in them.

Marc Rosset is Tall
09-01-2004, 06:28 AM
And my suggestion stays the same.

You see the jist of what we were talking about on these last couple pages since you obviously didn't read them was the "dominance" post and the comparison between Swedish and Argentinian players is not very valid because it's really the Slams that count in the end and the TMS events close behind when the top players are in them.

The Swedish/Argentine comparison was valid because of the resentment aspect and not the domination aspect. I have clearly addressed why there are similarities and differences between them, but it seems you have failed to see that, i.e DC success of the Swedes, something the Argentines haven't done.

The interpretation of what Rass was saying was how when the Swedes were successful that it was resented in some places, and mentioned the things that were being said about them. Yes, the Swedes were dominant and I have already said why the Argentines are not dominant you might have "missed that" , they have been successful on clay and have improved their results on other surfaces and these improvements have been resented in some quarters and the reasons for this have been explained in detail already.

Since when has resentment and domination been the same thing?

Marc Rosset is Tall
09-01-2004, 06:45 AM
Bump

The tennis world must be loving all the dominance by Argentina. Two Argentines in the final of Roland Garros, and an all-Argentine final in Båstad. Come to think of it, the Americans must be hating that Federer that is # 1 and the Argentines are the best on clay, so yes tennis needs saving doesn't it.

You do mean claycourt dominance don't you? Sure I can agree with that, but only for this year, though they almost beat Spain in the 2003 DC with a weakened team.

Sure they had all 4 semi finalists in TMS Hamburg, and 3 in the French Open and in the 4 biggest clay events of the year had an Argentine finalist.

As for overall dominance of the game this is not the case, though many people especially in the English-language media are usually trying to denigrate their achievements for example Coria who has made a final on every surface and Nalbandian has at least made the quarters of every Slam.

It was the same with the Swedes, though they were around longer and had 2 champions like Wilander/Edberg something that Coria/Nalbandian are not at the moment and might not ever be.

Chloe le Bopper
09-02-2004, 04:50 AM
I don't like Nalbandian because he's a whiner the same as I don't like Ljubicic, not because he's from Argentina and of Armenian descent or whatever.

Get over it, just because a player is disliked doesn't mean it's from where he's from, though with the Roddick hate, it does seem to be because he's from the USA, since it's constantly mentioned.
Wow. The award for "biggest miss of the point of the thread" goes to...

Chloe le Bopper
09-02-2004, 04:54 AM
Actually incorrect, you are seeing it as you want to see it and not objectively.

Well then, sounds like Coleslaw has come to the right board then. Seems to be the "in" thing to do around here.

PerezRoldan
09-02-2004, 05:51 AM
Well then, sounds like Coleslaw has come to the right board then. Seems to be the "in" thing to do around here.

Yes, it is the "in" thing, but as you know, can't let such a minor thing as facts get in the way can we?