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QF: Gasquet def Murray 6-3 0-6 6-4

eck
11-02-2007, 10:57 PM
0-6 :help:

Anyways. :yeah:


Still a big chance to qualify
Murray :hug:

Winners/UE:
Murray 31/36 :lol:
Gasquet 19/24 I think

Deboogle!.
11-02-2007, 10:58 PM
what a crazy match.

Richard :yeah:

Spes
11-02-2007, 10:58 PM
interesting match. :help:

allez richie! welcome to shanghai.

rocketassist
11-02-2007, 10:58 PM
0-2 v Gasquet, 0-3 v Djoko, 0-2 v Nadal, 0-2 v Baggy....forget about winning major titles, Andy.

cocopops
11-02-2007, 10:58 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss s woohooo

dijus
11-02-2007, 10:58 PM
Muzza :sad:

Frederick16
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
great play in the third set.. shanghai here we come! :)

Tabledott
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
Well done, Richie

richie21
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
Well done Richard,it seems you took some lessons from your losses against Djokovic!:lol:

Andy:sad:

Pimmchanok
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
HELL YEAH!!!! IS IT HOT IN HERE!?!?!?
tad of a blip in the second set eh?

LocoPorElTenis
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
interesting match. :help:

allez richie! welcome to shanghai.

I think he hasn't officially qualified yet. If he loses the SF and Baggy wins the tournament, then Baggy will qualify instead of Richie.

Deathless Mortal
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
Wow
And Murray does it again... Wins a set 6-0 but loses the match...
Well done Richard :yeah:

ufokart
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
:woohoo: :bounce: :bounce: :rocker2: :rocker2: :woohoo:

Well done Richie :yeah: :lol:

Raymz
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
except last few games from gasquet, it was one of ugliest match in paris - no winners, no aggressively, no nothing

TheBoiledEgg
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
perfect ending :woohoo: :banana:

and the muzzle is put onto Muzza :tape:
Haggis :bigwave:

Mechlan
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
Andy. :(

Congrats Richard.

Norrage
11-02-2007, 10:59 PM
utter disgrace that Gasquet tanked that second set...but other than that deserved win! But he needs to be more aggressive...he is too talented to play such a gay passive game....

r2473
11-02-2007, 11:00 PM
[QUOTE=eck; 0-6 :help:QUOTE]

Anyone see the match. What happened? I understand that if you go down 2 breaks in men's tennis you pretty much tank the set, but how did Murray get the first 2 breaks? Was he playing that well or did Gasquet just had a brain fart?

Jaap
11-02-2007, 11:00 PM
What a bottle job, this Muggay.

Goonergal
11-02-2007, 11:00 PM
Muzza :sad:

World Beater
11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
Expected Result

Murray is still mentally not there yet, and even though gasquet isn't a mental giant, he plays well against peers not named djokovic/nadal.

shotgun
11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
Murraymania suffers a harsh setback. :eek:

Seeing as Baghdatis probably won't beat Nadal tomorrow, Gasquet is practically the eight player in Shanghai.

richie21
11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
utter disgrace that Gasquet tanked that second set...but other than that deserved win! But he needs to be more aggressive...he is too talented to play such a gay passive game....


I guess he took some lessons from the master Djokovic :o

danton
11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
Well played Richie - Andy completely mental breakdown for 1 game in the third - what a shame.

Better Gasquet than Robredo

eck
11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
[QUOTE=eck;6218603]0-6 :help:QUOTE]

Anyone see the match. What happened? I understand that if you go down 2 breaks in men's tennis you pretty much tank the set, but how did Murray get the first 2 breaks? Was he playing that well or did Gasquet just had a brain fart?

Gasquet had a brain cramp.
He lost it after he made a challenge at 1-0* 40-15
Then it all went downhill :o

Robbie Koenig: For my money, you suck.

Claroo
11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
What a weird match !
Both were playing average- too much pressure for sure.
And that second set Richard :o
Anyway, a win is a win (an ugly win, eh :lol:)
I'm so happy for him:woohoo:

Regenbogen
11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
Andy :hysteric: :bigcry: :sobbing:

congrats Richard and nice for the French fans

lol the race thing they showed on tv said "Robredo (ESP)Andy Mu" :lol:

GonzoFed
11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
Damn it!!! Good effort anyway Muzza. As for Gasquet, congrats and hopes this and the Roddick match help him to gain more confidence and work harder to achieve challenging goals in the future.

richie21
11-02-2007, 11:02 PM
utter disgrace that Gasquet tanked that second set...but other than that deserved win! But he needs to be more aggressive...he is too talented to play such a gay passive game....


I agree.
If only he played as agressively as he played in MC 05 or during lapses last year......

l_mac
11-02-2007, 11:02 PM
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:crying2: :crying2: :crying2:

Flibbertigibbet
11-02-2007, 11:02 PM
Too bad Richard will be whipped by Nalbandian in the next round, but at least he's (probably) qualified!

dylan24
11-02-2007, 11:02 PM
if you lose a set 0-6 to murray you can win the match
as murray starts to daydream.

frenchie followed robredo's plan

Rogieva
11-02-2007, 11:02 PM
Muzza :help: :tape: Bagel Robredo and lose, bagel gasquet and lose. :tape:

Allez Richie, welcome to shanghai! very happy for you! :D

Metis
11-02-2007, 11:02 PM
Congrats to Gasquet! That 2nd set though :tape: :o

mangoes
11-02-2007, 11:03 PM
WOOOOO HOOOOOO Gasquet:banana: :banana: :banana:

Take that Brad Gilbert............Richie did blow a Gasket right at Murray:lol: :lol:


Congrats to all of Gasquet fans...........

Blue Heart24
11-02-2007, 11:03 PM
:haha:

Dedicated to Escude and adeegee!. :D

Norrage
11-02-2007, 11:03 PM
I guess he took some lessons from the master Djokovic :o

I saw him do it before I saw Djokovic doing it....What was it, indian wells vs Grosjean?

nanoman
11-02-2007, 11:03 PM
Disgusting moonball-fest that would make Bruguera's stomach turn.

Murray, you fool, so much talent as proven by the final few games, but so content to just push the ball. What the hell is wrong with the 86, 87 generations anyway. All of them disgusting moonballers (maybe excluding Djokovic, but he is too defensive anyway these days).

I shudder to think what the tennis will look like in 3 a 4 years. Today tennis loses.

r2473
11-02-2007, 11:03 PM
I think he hasn't officially qualified yet. If he loses the SF and Baggy wins the tournament, then Baggy will qualify instead of Richie.

Is this true? Does anyone know?

Jaap
11-02-2007, 11:03 PM
This is why Djoko is so far ahead of these two. Both players too afraid to lose thus producing passive tennis.

Djoko - Mental Giant.

Murray, Baghdatis, Gasquet, Berdych etc - mental midgets.

NinaNina19
11-02-2007, 11:03 PM
Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaap.

LilyRoseAva
11-02-2007, 11:04 PM
ah ah great!!!!
congrats richie!!!

richie21
11-02-2007, 11:04 PM
Anyway,if Richie plays like that against Nalbandian,Nalbandian will completely destroy him.
Nalbandian is probably the best player in the world at the minute we are speaking

l_mac
11-02-2007, 11:04 PM
Is this true? Does anyone know?


Yeah, that's true.

NinaNina19
11-02-2007, 11:04 PM
I should have put money on Gasquet, he would've lost for sure then.

Norrage
11-02-2007, 11:04 PM
if you lose a set 0-6 to murray you can win the match
as murray starts to daydream.

frenchie followed robredo's plan

it was gasquet that lost the set 6-0 not murray winning it 6-0?

eck
11-02-2007, 11:04 PM
Is this true? Does anyone know?

Richie officially qualifies when he reaches the Final.
Marcos qualifies when he wins the whole thing.


What was with Murray and those drop shots early on :lol:

richie21
11-02-2007, 11:05 PM
This is why Djoko is so far ahead of these two. Both players too afraid to lose thus producing passive tennis.

Djoko - Mental Giant.

Murray, Baghdatis, Gasquet, Berdych etc - mental midgets.


Didn't "spartan Djoko" thank some sets to Gasquet in their meetings????:o

Pimmchanok
11-02-2007, 11:05 PM
yeah but are the chances that Baggy beats Nadal?

l_mac
11-02-2007, 11:05 PM
Anyway,if Richie plays like that against Nalbandian,Nalbandian will completely destroy him.
Nalbandian is probably the best player in the world at the minute we are speaking


As a Nalbandian fan I say :haha: to this. He didn't play that well against Ferrer today. Still well enough to beat Gasquet playing like he did today though.

ChinoRios4Ever
11-02-2007, 11:05 PM
Muzza :sad:

Richie :yeah:

rocketassist
11-02-2007, 11:06 PM
Excluding double fault play, I don't think I've seen a worse service game all year than game 5 of the third set (Murray.)

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 11:06 PM
Woeful Andy.

Really poor match, I said I wouldn't be gutted if he lost but I am, it was more the manner of the loss. I think both were feeling the pressure, the quality of tennis was toilet.

Muzza's backhand is usually so solid but it let him down tonight. He had the match won at the beginning of the 3rd and didn't seize the moment, Gasquet's head was a mess but Andy went into his shell.

Hugely disappointing, but 2008 still looks positive.

Corey Feldman
11-02-2007, 11:07 PM
Didnt show any bottle there at all Muzza

*gone to bed*

gulzhan
11-02-2007, 11:07 PM
great fight, richie! :yeah:

:banana: :banana: :banana:

mangoes
11-02-2007, 11:08 PM
yeah but are the chances that Baggy beats Nadal?

Nonexistent

Schu
11-02-2007, 11:08 PM
perfect ending :woohoo: :banana:

and the muzzle is put onto Muzza :tape:
Haggis :bigwave:

I LOVE IT!!!!

Certainly didn't live up to the hype except the last couple of games when Gasquet tightened the screws and came up with a few big shots/serves.

ALLEZ RICHIE!!!

vincayou
11-02-2007, 11:08 PM
Too much at stake in this match for both. Not the match of the year. Well done Richie, never thought you would go to Shangai.

Allure
11-02-2007, 11:08 PM
Gasquet :bounce:

Baggy probably won't win Paris so I think Richie has Shanghai in the bag.

Géraldine
11-02-2007, 11:08 PM
I'm so proud of him!
He progreees every day

richie21
11-02-2007, 11:09 PM
As a Nalbandian fan I say :haha: to this. He didn't play that well against Ferrer today. Still well enough to beat Gasquet playing like he did today though.


If Nalby plays around the level he showed against Federer,Gasquet won't have any chance,even if he plays at his best.
Gasquet will need to be way more agressive than he was tonight if he wants to have a chance against him.

juvvi
11-02-2007, 11:09 PM
I agree.
If only he played as agressively as he played in MC 05 or during lapses last year......

Or just like he played yesterday against. That's his best match in a long long time.

cmurray
11-02-2007, 11:10 PM
That was a really bad match. Its too bad because Murray could have won it. Sigh.

foul_dwimmerlaik
11-02-2007, 11:10 PM
The level of wtf in this match was just off the charts. The crowd basically carried Gasquet through. Why the hell does he play so passive almost all the time? Is he hardwired this way already? Such a waste. The first aggressive return he hit was at 5-3 15-40, third set. Still, well done almost qualifying for Shanghai and blocking the path to Murray, whom I really dislike.

Schu
11-02-2007, 11:10 PM
Woeful Andy.

Really poor match, I said I wouldn't be gutted if he lost but I am, it was more the manner of the loss. I think both were feeling the pressure, the quality of tennis was toilet.

Muzza's backhand is usually so solid but it let him down tonight. He had the match won at the beginning of the 3rd and didn't seize the moment, Gasquet's head was a mess but Andy went into his shell.

Hugely disappointing, but 2008 still looks positive.


And whose the Mug now??? Mugrray??

YES it was a crappy match from both but who was tougher in the end?

DrJules
11-02-2007, 11:10 PM
Woeful Andy.

Really poor match, I said I wouldn't be gutted if he lost but I am, it was more the manner of the loss. I think both were feeling the pressure, the quality of tennis was toilet.

Muzza's backhand is usually so solid but it let him down tonight. He had the match won at the beginning of the 3rd and didn't seize the moment, Gasquet's head was a mess but Andy went into his shell.

Hugely disappointing, but 2008 still looks positive.

Murray does not like playing against the looping top spin shots of Gasquet. He prefers playing more powerful hitters of the ball who hot flatter.

To beat Gasquet, Murray needs to be much more attacking and generate more of his own pace.

Allure
11-02-2007, 11:10 PM
If Nalby plays around the level he showed against Federer,Gasquet won't have any chance,even if he plays at his best.
Gasquet will need to be way more agressive than he was tonight if he wants to have a chance against him.

So you think that a good Nalby is better than a peak Gasquet?

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 11:11 PM
And whose the Mug now??? Mugrray??

You are.

richie21
11-02-2007, 11:12 PM
Anyway,some guys there were saying that Gasquet ,contrary to guys like Djokovic or Murray,couldn't win matches where he was playing badly.......i guess it was proved tonight....:o

rocketassist
11-02-2007, 11:12 PM
Anyway,some guys there were saying that Gasquet ,contrary to guys like Djokovic or Murray,couldn't win matches where he was playing badly.......i guess it was proved tonight....:o

Gasquet, Djokovic or Mugdatis will play badly against Murray and win 100 per cent of the time.

Schu
11-02-2007, 11:20 PM
You are.

SO Clever.

Claroo
11-02-2007, 11:21 PM
If Nalby plays around the level he showed against Federer,Gasquet won't have any chance,even if he plays at his best.
Gasquet will need to be way more agressive than he was tonight if he wants to have a chance against him.

We can hope that he will be less tense :)

Jaap
11-02-2007, 11:22 PM
Muggay always chokes against fellow young guns. Just look at the two pathetic performances against Djoko in America earlier this year.

In truth, both players are mugs.

BodyServe
11-02-2007, 11:22 PM
When you saw a match like that,i don't know how on earth is it possible to say Karlovic is boring.

richie21
11-02-2007, 11:24 PM
So you think that a good Nalby is better than a peak Gasquet?

For a beginning ,it's not only a "good Nalby",it's a "peak Nalby" we are seeing at the moment i think.
And for Gasquet,well i think that even at his best,he can't beat Nalby if Nalby plays like he played against Roger.......but obviously,Gasquet is still not at his peak as he is very young so in 2 or 3 years,perhaps that's Gasquet's best>Nalbandian's best,who knows?

Jaap
11-02-2007, 11:26 PM
When you saw a match like that,i don't know how on earth is it possible to say Karlovic is boring.

Ivo Karlovic is a boring mug.

There you go.

Jozie
11-02-2007, 11:26 PM
Murray does not like playing against the looping top spin shots of Gasquet. He prefers playing more powerful hitters of the ball who hot flatter.

To beat Gasquet, Murray needs to be much more attacking and generate more of his own pace.

Murray had the edge over Gasquet. Couldn't believe he let the pressure get to him. He played top spin against Santoro so well. Gasquet really just came into his own and edged out Murray in the third set. Next year is Andy's year... he has massive potential. :)

Allure
11-02-2007, 11:27 PM
Ivo Karlovic is a boring mug.

There you go.

:haha:

rocketassist
11-02-2007, 11:27 PM
Only young gun he's beaten is Mugdych, and we all know what an overrated mug he is.

As for Gasquet, well he'll be aching after this, and now Lagaudere will be making sure his arse is aching as well.

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 11:28 PM
Murray does not like playing against the looping top spin shots of Gasquet. He prefers playing more powerful hitters of the ball who hot flatter.

To beat Gasquet, Murray needs to be much more attacking and generate more of his own pace.
I wouldn't say Gasquet's shots were causing Murray many problems (and vice versa).

Just an all round horrible match. Congrats to Gasquet for fighting through, Murray has a lot to think about over the off-season.

MCL
11-02-2007, 11:30 PM
Richard :yeah:

TMJordan
11-02-2007, 11:30 PM
Allez :banana:

Voo de Mar
11-02-2007, 11:31 PM
Murray lost two matches this autumn despite winning sets 6-0 :retard:
Congrats Gasquet :yeah:

Puschkin
11-02-2007, 11:32 PM
Woeful Andy.Really poor match, I said I wouldn't be gutted if he lost but I am, it was more the manner of the loss. I think both were feeling the pressure, the quality of tennis was toilet.

True, but that happens often: Hyped-up matches turn out to be rather poor. Besides, Gasquet is well known for being able to play beautiful tennis, the proofs of his "toughness" are more rare. So I am happy that he withstood the pressure today, and frankly, I don't care much about his match against Nalbandian tomorrow.

Tommy fan
11-02-2007, 11:34 PM
OMG :lol:
0-6 :help:

But well done Richie!!!! Whoohohoo!!! :D :party:

Sunset of Age
11-02-2007, 11:45 PM
Shitty match, shitty result... :sad: :sad: :sad:

Andy :hug: perhaps next year okay. Congrats to Richie!

MaryX
11-02-2007, 11:47 PM
Muggay always chokes against fellow young guns. Just look at the two pathetic performances against Djoko in America earlier this year.

In truth, both players are mugs.

May be, but I love them both, very colorful personalities and sometimes they can bring some fantastic tennis.This wasn't one of these times, but all in all, they both deserve to go to Shanghai, unlike some others who ARE going.Same goes for Nalbandian.

Shrinking Violet
11-02-2007, 11:49 PM
Well that sucked. Crappy match, crappy result. I suppose it's hard to be too disappointed in Andy for failing to qualify, but still, I haven't seen his backhand that bad in ages.

Never mind, good effort to attempt to qualify Andy - forget this piss poor match and concentrate on the serve for next year. :hug:

Richie - well done, hope you do well at TMC. :yeah:

RickDaStick
11-02-2007, 11:51 PM
Rumor has it London is in flood watch due to Adam balling his eyes out :devil:

fmolinari2005
11-02-2007, 11:55 PM
Winning ugly is what Richard needs to learn. So, today it was a good lesson. Allez Richard!!!!

Farenhajt
11-02-2007, 11:57 PM
Yesssssss! Totally delightful evening :)

Andi-M
11-02-2007, 11:58 PM
Match = crap. Phat Dave should have no problem in routining Gasquet tommorow.

I think people need to stop bagging on Andy he has done so well these last 2 weeks im really proud of him.....ending the year ranked number 10 i would have taken that after the USO.

I believe everything happens for a reason and Shangai 2007 is not his time, but what a 2008 he has ahead of him with 3 months in the busiest part of the season with nothng to defend. He can rack up tons of points and get himself top 5 at least!

Muzza is on the up!!

R.Federer
11-03-2007, 12:03 AM
Am I the last to find out about this? I was going to be happy either way.

Murray, well, no question to me he would be in the Top 5 if he had played a full season. :hatoff:

Gasquet, coming into his own. It is time to deliver on your potential. Congratulations! :)

Halba
11-03-2007, 12:04 AM
murray and gasgay are mugs

hopefully bandy can smash gasgay(staying 3 feet behind baseline)

Magenta
11-03-2007, 12:12 AM
What happened? I thought Muzza had this in the bag.
Ah well better luck next time, good to see Richie living up to potential :yeah:

Gulliver
11-03-2007, 12:16 AM
The OOP isn't out yet, but Nadal v Baghdatis is likely first up, so Gasquet will know before going on court if he's locked up the 8th spot. And if he has, he might just play more freely (or not try too hard :) )

On the other hand, a frenetic Parisian mob pointing to the guillotine, might be an added incentive to avoid another bagel.

Kitty de Sade
11-03-2007, 12:17 AM
Wacky one, this match- and that 2nd set...:eek:

Sorry that someone had to lose, because I like them both. Congrats to Richie though. :yeah:

adee-gee
11-03-2007, 12:22 AM
Rumor has it London is in flood watch due to Adam balling his eyes out :devil:
Whereas Croatia is as dry as ever, because no-one gives a shit about Ljubicic anymore :awww:

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 12:26 AM
So you think that a good Nalby is better than a peak Gasquet?

Look at their H2H

Sjengster
11-03-2007, 12:27 AM
A match that was lost rather than won, although I think that was largely inevitable given what was on the line for both players. The first set came down to a poor service game from Murray, the second was simply diabolical tennis throughout from Gasquet without much evident reason, and the third was decided by another appalling Murray service game at 2-2 where he missed three shots in a row way out of court. At least after that Gasquet held onto his advantage with some good aggressive play, showing why he deserves to be in Shanghai.

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 12:28 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2007news/paris_friday2.asp

Murray: "I thought it was a good match..." :scratch:

Gasquet: [On his good chance to qualify for Shanghai:] "Simply it's incredible. It's only if Baghdatis wins the tournament that I won't be able to go, or else I lose tomorrow. You know, the Seine is not far from me. I'll throw myself into it..." :spit:

Veronique
11-03-2007, 12:32 AM
Bravo Richard!

Allure
11-03-2007, 12:33 AM
Look at their H2H

I don't think Gasquet played his peak tennis against Nalby though.

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 12:34 AM
I don't think Gasquet played his peak tennis against Nalby though.

That's because it is difficult for him to, given how badly he matches up against Nalby. :lol:

Allure
11-03-2007, 12:35 AM
That's because it is difficult for him to, given how badly he matches up against Nalby. :lol:

We'll see in a year or two. :p

Puschkin
11-03-2007, 12:35 AM
Gasquet: [On his good chance to qualify for Shanghai:] "Simply it's incredible. It's only if Baghdatis wins the tournament that I won't be able to go, or else I lose tomorrow. You know, the Seine is not far from me. I'll throw myself into it..." :spit:

You go and change the thread title for our chat thread and your avatar :p instead of commenting on Richie's interview. :p

krystlel
11-03-2007, 12:39 AM
Very nervy match from both players although Gasquet did well to raise his game once he went a break up in the third set. Both players were so passive for the most part. I don't expect Gasquet to play like this tomorrow since all the pressure will be off having qualified, if Nadal beats Baghdatis as expected.

Marek.
11-03-2007, 12:39 AM
Pathetic scoreline but a win is a win. Good job Gasquet. :)

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 12:44 AM
You go and change the thread title for our chat thread and your avatar :p instead of commenting on Richie's interview. :p

He hasn't qualified yet. :shrug:

Renaud
11-03-2007, 12:56 AM
He hasn't qualified yet. :shrug:

:nerner:

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 12:58 AM
:nerner:

What? Baggy could very well win Bercy. :ras:

Renaud
11-03-2007, 01:00 AM
What? Baggy could very well win Bercy. :ras:
:rocker2: NO.

missvarsha
11-03-2007, 01:07 AM
Piggy will win.

scoobs
11-03-2007, 01:10 AM
Well done to Richie - at the crunch time, he was mentally the stronger of the two out there today.

Andy - close but no cigar. Rest up for next season and hopefully you won't need to be so close to the wire to qualify.

zcess81
11-03-2007, 01:12 AM
Now you can understand why Djokovic trashed Murray twice. If Murray played anything like he did today against Djokovic the outcome would have been similar as it was earlier this year (i.e another trashing).

DrJules
11-03-2007, 01:18 AM
What? Baggy could very well win Bercy. :ras:

It is very unlikely that Baggy will beat Nadal. He would then have to beat Nalbandian.

I think with 90% confidence that Gasquet is qualifying; that would please GeorgeWHitler :haha: :haha: .

Merton
11-03-2007, 01:32 AM
Poor match but understandable, given what was at stake for both players. Gasquet managed to grind out a win holding on the break he got early in the 3rd. Murray is not sure yet how to play against Gasquet, it will be interesting to see their next match.

guy in sf
11-03-2007, 01:36 AM
As much as I want to see Gasquet beat Nalby it just won't happen tomorrow given the passiveness of his game at the moment and the fact that Nalby is playing exceptional tennis at the moment. If Baggy loses to Nadal first, that might loosen Gasquet up a bit and he will probably play more freely but other than that, I just don't see him beating Nalby. Now if a "peak" Gasquet comes out tomorrow than he might have a chance except we have never seen a peak Gasquet and a peak Gasquet could be 2/3 years away. We all have seen a peak Nalby and a peak Nalby is freaking good!

Allure
11-03-2007, 01:38 AM
As much as I want to see Gasquet beat Nalby it just won't happen tomorrow given the passiveness of his game at the moment and the fact that Nalby is playing exceptional tennis at the moment. If Baggy loses to Nadal first, that might loosen Gasquet up a bit and he will probably play more freely but other than that, I just don't see him beating Nalby. Now if a "peak" Gasquet comes out tomorrow than he might have a chance except we have never seen a peak Gasquet and a peak Gasquet could be 2/3 years away. We all have seen a peak Nalby and a peak Nalby is freaking good!

I think Wimbledon SF is pretty close to a peak Gasquet.

scoobs
11-03-2007, 01:41 AM
Congrats to the Richie fans, it looks like your man will be in Shanghai (a Baggy miracle notwithstanding)

I hope he has a good tournament there, makes some noise. I thought he showed a lot of balls in that final set to snatch it and hold on when the nerves must have been intense. Good luck to him in the Tennis Masters Cup.

richie21
11-03-2007, 01:42 AM
I think Wimbledon SF is pretty close to a peak Gasquet.

This year's Wimbledon is far from being the tournament where he has played his best tennis.
His match against Roddick was statistically great but anyone who has seen this match know that it was more Roddick's stupid play(combined with a passive baseline play) which made Richie look good.

jenglisbe
11-03-2007, 01:43 AM
I am really impressed with Gasquet this tournament. After his poor showings the last two weeks, I was worried he was choking his change at Shanghai away. After beating Blake and Murray back-to-back, though, with his Shanghai chance directly on the line, he deserves a lot of credit. Between his Wimbledon victory over Roddick and this, I have real hope that he is finally developing mentally.

guy in sf
11-03-2007, 01:43 AM
I think Wimbledon SF is pretty close to a peak Gasquet.

Maybe but a peak Gasquet probably wouldn't let himself be 2 sets down like that. He did play very good tennis in the last couple of sets but I'm still not totally convinced that Wimbledon SF was his peak, it was pretty good though. He's still only 21 so I think his peak is still in front of him. When will he get there, only time will tell, if he gets there at all.

jenglisbe
11-03-2007, 01:45 AM
This year's Wimbledon is far from being the tournament where he has played his best tennis.
His match against Roddick was statistically great but anyone who has seen this match know that it was more Roddick's stupid play(combined with a passive baseline play) which made Richie look good.
I think you're being too extreme. Didn't Andy have around 60 winners to only like 20-30 unforced errors? He played a great match.

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 01:48 AM
This year's Wimbledon is far from being the tournament where he has played his best tennis.
His match against Roddick was statistically great but anyone who has seen this match know that it was more Roddick's stupid play(combined with a passive baseline play) which made Richie look good.

Never in doubt from richie21

richie21
11-03-2007, 01:49 AM
I am really impressed with Gasquet this tournament. After his poor showings the last two weeks, I was worried he was choking his change at Shanghai away. After beating Blake and Murray back-to-back, though, with his Shanghai chance directly on the line, he deserves a lot of credit. Between his Wimbledon victory over Roddick and this, I have real hope that he is finally developing mentally.

I also think he is becoming tougher and tougher mentally but paradoxally,i have a feeling his game is overall continually degrading(he is in danger of becoming a moonballer at this rate)....strange,isn't it?

Allure
11-03-2007, 01:50 AM
This year's Wimbledon is far from being the tournament where he has played his best tennis.
His match against Roddick was statistically great but anyone who has seen this match know that it was more Roddick's stupid play(combined with a passive baseline play) which made Richie look good.

I'm not talking statistics (93 winners was awesome) but about his overall play. I was impressed with his shots and his bh was on fire. His running fhs were amazing. Johnny Mac said one bh passing shot was one of the ''greatest shots you'll ever see.''

Allure
11-03-2007, 01:51 AM
I also think he is becoming tougher and tougher mentally but paradoxally,i have a feeling his game is overall continually degrading(he is in danger of becoming a moonballer at this rate)....strange,isn't it?

Yeah he needs to stop the moonballing but I saw some slices today which I haven't seen before from him. I think his defensive tactics is a result of his lack of confidence.

richie21
11-03-2007, 01:52 AM
I think you're being too extreme. Didn't Andy have around 60 winners to only like 20-30 unforced errors? He played a great match.

The stats sometimes don't tell the whole story,you know.
Look at the match beetween Federer and Nalbandian this week: there were probably more UEs than winners by both but still,i think that it was a far better match than the one beetween Gasquet and Roddick at Wimbledon,especially in the quality and the intensity of the baseline play.

xtiano
11-03-2007, 01:52 AM
interesting scoreline

Doume
11-03-2007, 01:53 AM
The only chance for richard tomorrow is to be on fire with his backhand...

Allure
11-03-2007, 01:54 AM
The stats sometimes don't tell the whole story,you know.
Look at the match beetween Federer and Nalbandian this week: there were probably more UEs than winners by both but still,i think that it was a far better match than the one beetween Gasquet and Roddick at Wimbledon,especially in the quality and the intensity of the baseline play.

Maybe you have too high expectations from Richard. If it was any other player, their fans would be thrilled with that kind of play. Funny, people who are not fans of Richard are even more congratulating than you. :lol:

richie21
11-03-2007, 01:58 AM
Maybe you have too high expectations from Richard. If it was any other player, their fans would be thrilled with that kind of play. Funny, people who are not fans of Richard are even more congratulating than you. :lol:

You'll think i'm a strange guy but for example,i thought he played better in his loss against Federer in Halle last year(still have this match in my Hard Disk) than against Roddick at Wimbledon this year,especially from the baseline.

Allure
11-03-2007, 02:00 AM
You'll think i'm a strange guy but for example,i thought he played better in his loss against Federer in Halle last year(still have this match in my Hard Disk) than against Roddick at Wimbledon this year,especially from the baseline.

I have that match and Gasquet played way better in Wimbledon. (But it could be that Roddick is a weak player therefore allowing Richard to make those passing shots) I guess we have to agree to disagree. :p

Doume
11-03-2007, 02:02 AM
You'll think i'm a strange guy but for example,i thought he played better in his loss against Federer in Halle last year(still have this match in my Hard Disk) than against Roddick at Wimbledon this year,especially from the baseline.

You're a little excessive maybe, but i think the richard's best match this season should have been is quarter against ferrero if he wasn't injured at the end.

guy in sf
11-03-2007, 02:03 AM
The stats sometimes don't tell the whole story,you know.
Look at the match beetween Federer and Nalbandian this week: there were probably more UEs than winners by both but still,i think that it was a far better match than the one beetween Gasquet and Roddick at Wimbledon,especially in the quality and the intensity of the baseline play.

If the Nalby/Fed match this week was FAR BETTER than the Roddick/Gasquet match at Wimbledon (a match that ranked in the top 5 for a lot of people for 2007 btw!), than you're basically saying that the Roddick/Gasquet match was poor in quality. I think you are being very extreme and very off in your comments, but then again you are the harshest, most negative and weirdest Gasquet fan out there.

richie21
11-03-2007, 02:05 AM
If the Nalby/Fed match this week was FAR BETTER than the Roddick/Gasquet match at Wimbledon (a match that ranked in the top 5 for a lot of people for 2007 btw!), than you're basically saying that the Roddick/Gasquet match was poor in quality. I think you are being very extreme and very off in your comments, but then again you are the harshest, most negative and weirdest Gasquet fan out there.


No,that just means that the Nalby/Fed match was a truly exceptionnal match(possibly one of the matches of the year on pure quality wise).

Allure
11-03-2007, 02:05 AM
Richie21 is actually Richard himself, belittling his achievements so no one expects much from him. :p

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 02:06 AM
If the Nalby/Fed match this week was FAR BETTER than the Roddick/Gasquet match at Wimbledon (a match that ranked in the top 5 for a lot of people for 2007 btw!), than you're basically saying that the Roddick/Gasquet match was poor in quality. I think you are being very extreme and very off in your comments, but then again you are the harshest, most negative and weirdest Gasquet fan out there.

Harshest and most negative, not really. Weirdest, yes.

juvvi
11-03-2007, 02:08 AM
I think Wimbledon SF is pretty close to a peak Gasquet.

I really think that he has a good chance against Nalbandian. Just play aggressively like he did against Blake. Wimbledon SF is perhaps a little too highly rated.

richie21
11-03-2007, 02:10 AM
I really think that he has a good chance against Nalbandian. Just play aggressively like he did against Blake. Wimbledon SF is perhaps a little too highly rated.

that's my (unpopular) opinion anyway.

Kolya
11-03-2007, 02:11 AM
Allez France but it all end against Nalbandian.

guy in sf
11-03-2007, 02:12 AM
No,that just means that the Nalby/Fed match was a truly exceptionnal match(possibly one of the matches of the year on pure quality wise).

Quite a people ranked the Roddick/Gasquet match as their top match of 2007 and many other in the top 5 and if the Nalby/Fed match is FAR BETTER than the match many view as the best of 2007, the Nalby/Fed match being FAR BETTER literally qualifies it to be one of the greatest matches of all time, by your logic. Do you understand the implications of "far better"? Far better is like comparing a match of 10 stars versus a match of 3 stars, the 10-star match is far better than a 3-star match. Do you understand what I'm getting at. I'm not saying you're completely wrong but your statements tend to have extreme exaggeration to them.

richie21
11-03-2007, 02:16 AM
Quite a people ranked the Roddick/Gasquet match as their top match of 2007 and many other in the top 5 and if the Nalby/Fed match is FAR BETTER than the match many view as the best of 2007, the Nalby/Fed match being FAR BETTER literally qualifies it to be one of the greatest matches of all time, by your logic. Do you understand the implications of "far better"? Far better is like comparing a match of 10 stars versus a match of 3 stars, the 10-star match is far better than a 3-star match. Do you understand what I'm getting at. I'm not saying you're completely wrong but your statements tend to have extreme exaggeration to them.

Let's be precise : i thought the Nalby/Fed match was far better than the Gasquet/Roddick match in the quality and the intensity of baseline play and just a bit better in the other aspects of the game.:)

scoobs
11-03-2007, 02:16 AM
Your guy just virtually qualified for the TMC and this is how you choose to spend your time?

Okay...

Allure
11-03-2007, 02:21 AM
Your guy just virtually qualified for the TMC and this is how you choose to spend your time?

Okay...

We are weird like that. ;)

scoobs
11-03-2007, 02:22 AM
We are weird like that. ;)
No wonder Richie always feels so much pressure.

Rejoice!

Bad Religion
11-03-2007, 02:22 AM
Shame on you Muzza

Losing to that french weirdo :o

Allure
11-03-2007, 02:25 AM
Shame on you Muzza

Losing to that french weirdo :o

:baby:

guy in sf
11-03-2007, 02:27 AM
Bad Religion calling anyone a weirdo is a total oxymoron

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 02:31 AM
Your guy just virtually qualified for the TMC and this is how you choose to spend your time?

Okay...

The source of conflict is pretty evident, isn't it?

Bad Religion
11-03-2007, 02:32 AM
Bad Religion calling anyone a weirdo is a total oxymoron

Gasquet is dating with Lagardere and according to you I'm the weirdo, hahaha

Allure
11-03-2007, 02:33 AM
Gasquet is dating with Lagardere and according to you I'm the weirdo, hahaha

According to you Fed is a clown and only wins by luck, and you have JCF and Moya in your sig. Hahahah.

switz
11-03-2007, 02:34 AM
[QUOTE=r2473;6218641]


Robbie Koenig: For my money, you suck.

omg thank you!! i thought i was the only one who saw this. he annoys me so much. if he says "no question" one more time i am going to smash my tv :mad:

and he said "for my money, Murray is the best of his generation". ignore the fact he's like 0-10 against the top of his generation :o

i also love insight commentary like when Murray served to say in the match "For my money, this is a crucial game for Murray" :o

scoobs
11-03-2007, 02:35 AM
The source of conflict is pretty evident, isn't it?

Lord knows. I tuned in expecting to see Gasquet fans all high fives and sheer delight and instead there's bickering about some matches months ago compared with a completely different match this week.

But whatever works for you guys I guess.

Allure
11-03-2007, 02:37 AM
[QUOTE=eck;6218652]

omg thank you!! i thought i was the only one who saw this. he annoys me so much. if he says "no question" one more time i am going to smash my tv :mad:

and he said "for my money, Murray is the best of his generation". ignore the fact he's like 0-10 against the top of his generation :o

i also love insight commentary like when Murray served to say in the match "For my money, this is a crucial game for Murray" :o

His bias was disgusting. I've seen less favortism at this year's Wimbledon with Jmac and Mary Carillo as commentators. :rolleyes:

Bad Religion
11-03-2007, 02:39 AM
According to you Fed is a clown and only wins by luck, and you have JCF and Moya in your sig. Hahahah.

Talk about clowns when your little girl reachs the number 1 , wins GS , MS , 2 Davis Cup

At this point , Gasqueer is a pussy and will be a pussy all HIS/HER career

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 02:39 AM
Lord knows. I tuned in expecting to see Gasquet fans all high fives and sheer delight and instead there's bickering about some matches months ago compared with a completely different match this week.

But whatever works for you guys I guess.

Hint: The source is a certain someone

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 02:40 AM
His bias was disgusting. I've seen less favortism at this year's Wimbledon with Jmac and Mary Carillo as commentators. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty surprised. Koenig is quite the Gasquet fan, actually. :lol:

richie21
11-03-2007, 02:41 AM
Lord knows. I tuned in expecting to see Gasquet fans all high fives and sheer delight and instead there's bickering about some matches months ago compared with a completely different match this week.

But whatever works for you guys I guess.

Well,i'm not sure the Murraytards would have been totally happy too had Murray won that match,considering it was such an ugly one.
I guess we would have been totally happy if Gasquet had won playing "sexy" tennis (like he did against Federer and Nadal in MC 05 or against Safin in the Davis cup last year) rather the ugly defensive tennis he played tonight

guy in sf
11-03-2007, 02:44 AM
Gasquet is dating with Lagardere and according to you I'm the weirdo, hahaha

First of all the Lagardere thing is just a rumor at this point and there's no proof of that, do you understand the meaning of rumor? I guess you don't cuz you keep repeating this as if it's a fact and even if it's true why does that make Richie a weirdo?

I know Gasquet fans should be celebrating Gasquet's victory and I'm guilting of writing off-topic stuff myself but I feel like I just have to reply back to these irrelevantt stuff written by others.

Allure
11-03-2007, 02:44 AM
Talk about clowns when your little girl reachs the number 1 , wins GS , MS , 2 Davis Cup

At this point , Gasqueer is a pussy and will be a pussy all HER career

Federer has won 12 GSs, been #1 for four years, and has countless Masters Titles and you call him a clown. :shrug:

scoobs
11-03-2007, 02:45 AM
Well,i'm not sure the Murraytards would have been that happy too had Murray won that match,considering it was such an ugly one.
I guess we would have been totally happy if Gasquet had won playing "sexy" tennis (like he did against Federer and Nadal in MC 05 or against Safin in the Davis cup last year) rather the ugly defensive tennis he played tonight
I'm not sure I agree there. It was an ugly one but considering what was on the line that's no surprise.

Sometimes you have to just take the win, however it comes, and celebrate it. It was not easy out there and Gasquet had to deal with some pretty big things - like coming back from a 6-0 drubbing where his own crowd were starting to turn on him, and then hold his nerves together after he broke and Murray was trying anything he could to break back. So it wasn't pretty but you take it and celebrate it anyway because frankly, Gasquet could do with winning more ugly matches like that, it would stand him in good stead.

Given he showed the mental strength there that he has often been accused of lacking, even by his own fans, I'd have thought you'd have been happier...

Allure
11-03-2007, 02:45 AM
Well,i'm not sure the Murraytards would have been that happy too had Murray won that match,considering it was such an ugly one.
I guess we would have been totally happy if Gasquet had won playing "sexy" tennis (like he did against Federer and Nadal in MC 05 or against Safin in the Davis cup last year) rather the ugly defensive tennis he played tonight

But a lot people said he needed to win playing ugly and he did that tonight. But if he keeps playing ugly tennis in every match then we have a problem. :o

richie21
11-03-2007, 02:50 AM
I'm not sure I agree there. It was an ugly one but considering what was on the line that's no surprise.

Sometimes you have to just take the win, however it comes, and celebrate it. It was not easy out there and Gasquet had to deal with some pretty big things - like coming back from a 6-0 drubbing where his own crowd were starting to turn on him, and then hold his nerves together after he broke and Murray was trying anything he could to break back. So it wasn't pretty but you take it and celebrate it anyway because frankly, Gasquet could do with winning more ugly matches like that, it would stand him in good stead.

Given he showed the mental strength there that he has often been accused of lacking, even by his own fans, I'd have thought you'd have been happier...


well,the problem is that on the other hand,his game is not improving and more gravely,even deterioring.

scoobs
11-03-2007, 02:56 AM
well,the problem is that on the other hand,his game is not improving and more gravely,even deterioring.
Oh nonsense.

Look, Andy Murray won a title last week in St Petersburg without once playing "sexy tennis". I think Andy has played "sexy tennis" (his version) maybe 4 or 5 times all year. Federer plays "sexy tennis" maybe 6 or 7 times a season, the rest of the time it's varying degrees of good.

So okay maybe Gasquet doesn't play "sexy tennis" as much as you'd like but in the end the point is to win, not to play sexy backhands and stuff the score.

Today he pulled out a tough result under difficult circumstances and showed a lot of heart and fight. It wasn't sexy but it worked.

I think expectations of him are a little too high.

richie21
11-03-2007, 03:00 AM
Scoobsuk,
"Sexy tennis" was perhaps not the appropriated term.
I just wished Gasquet would be more agressive,especially considering he has the tools to play that way.

scoobs
11-03-2007, 03:03 AM
Scoobsuk,
"Sexy tennis" was perhaps not the appropriated term.
I just wished Gasquet would be more agressive,especially considering he has the tools to play that way.
Sometimes I wish Andy Murray would be more aggressive, he has the tools also but some days he just wants to hang back and retrieve all day.

If it works, I try not to be too critical.

What Gasquet did today worked. You should cut him some slack, give him some credit for finding a way through. Man you guys are a tough crowd!

Mariana_lcf
11-03-2007, 03:08 AM
we are only a tough crowd cuz richard has what it takes to be a top player, he just has to put it together

Shrinking Violet
11-03-2007, 03:08 AM
Is it possible that he just didn't play too attacking today because he knows that Murray loves playing attacking players? I obviously haven't seen as many Gasquet matches as some of the people who follow him more closely, but the guy was really impressive yesterday against Blake apart from one small blip. I mean he was great to watch so it's not like he's been rubbish all tournament. He's doing what he has to to win and today that meant digging in and grinding out a win in a match where there was a lot on the line. I'm not surprised both guys were tight - I know it was Andy's goal, and I can only assume it was Richie's goal as well so it's understandable that they would be nervous.

I don't think there's a whole lot to worry about with Gasquet at the moment. If anything, there's a lot to be positive about. He looks completely different from the guy who was whining and saying he might not even play this week. It looks like he's decided to suck it up and win whatever it takes, be it playing pretty or ugly tennis.

azza
11-03-2007, 03:09 AM
Lmfao at Ugly Murray losing again after getting a 6-0 set :haha:

silverwhite
11-03-2007, 03:09 AM
What Gasquet did today worked. You should cut him some slack, give him some credit for finding a way through. Man you guys are a tough crowd!

It's just richie21. Usually, I'm pretty critical of his defensive play as well but obviously, given what was at stake in this match, it's understandable.

And I heard he tried to up his aggression early in the second set but started making a ton of errors, so....

scoobs
11-03-2007, 03:10 AM
we are only a tough crowd cuz richard has what it takes to be a top player, he just has to put it together
Just remember to enjoy his successes along the way to him becoming "a top player".

He won perhaps the biggest match of his career to date today.

scoobs
11-03-2007, 03:13 AM
Is it possible that he just didn't play too attacking today because he knows that Murray loves playing attacking players? I obviously haven't seen as many Gasquet matches as some of the people who follow him more closely, but the guy was really impressive yesterday against Blake apart from one small blip. I mean he was great to watch so it's not like he's been rubbish all tournament. He's doing what he has to to win and today that meant digging in and grinding out a win in a match where there was a lot on the line. I'm not surprised both guys were tight - I know it was Andy's goal, and I can only assume it was Richie's goal as well so it's understandable that they would be nervous.

I don't think there's a whole lot to worry about with Gasquet at the moment. If anything, there's a lot to be positive about. He looks completely different from the guy who was whining and saying he might not even play this week. It looks like he's decided to suck it up and win whatever it takes, be it playing pretty or ugly tennis.
Indeed. I would suggest the way Gasquet played, second set aside, was pretty tactically smart. Murray likes players to come at him, he can then move them around and find ways to go past them or through them. If he plays someone who hangs back and trades with him, it forces him to make the aggressive moves and if he's not at his best, he can struggle to do this successfully.

Doume
11-03-2007, 03:16 AM
Why are you dabbating like that, gasquet is in semi final of bercy, probably he will be in shangai. Congrats Richard!

That's all folks

ChrisDoesDallas
11-03-2007, 05:36 AM
Okay, my two cents.

Gasquet's form was disappointing to watch, to say the least, at one point he was 9/19 at net, and probably finished up and less than .500 for the match. It was Murray's match to lose, and which he did very very well, but Richie did well in his last few service games--the best parts of the match were easily from 3-2 in the third set on, with Murray serving and volleying beautifully and Gasquet's serve firing on all cylinders with some great smashes.

The thing that was weirdest to me is that Gasquet only hit one BH DTL winner, just one. He only hit three or so backhands not cross-court, period. I like Richie's CC BH, especially when it's that beautiful, fast, short angle, but just rallying defensively on the baseline did work for him after all.

Richie's made huge mental advances this year--Wimbledon semifinal after the HUGE fight and heart showed in the quarterfinal, four top 10 victories, and now this. This match he would have lost most days last year.

Allez Richie for the title! :rocker2:

*Jean*
11-03-2007, 10:18 AM
Allez Richard!!!! :p
Amazing match, we want him at the Masters Cup :p

Julio
11-03-2007, 10:27 AM
Richard showed some "balls" in this match. This victory is surely a big step in his career.

stebs
11-03-2007, 12:09 PM
Not as good a match as it might have been but still some good stuff and Gasquet deserves it I guess.

In a way I do thik it is harsh that Murray will miss the cut considering he missed so many important tournaments this year. While he was fit he was clearly top 8 this year.