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Marek.
11-01-2007, 10:31 PM
It starts in a week and a half so time for a new thread.

P.S. The ***** didn't help that much in Paris. :p

neenah
11-02-2007, 12:06 AM
Let's go Fed. :D

didadida
11-02-2007, 12:11 AM
yeh you are right roger destroyed our magical tricks

holagirl56
11-02-2007, 12:45 AM
Good luck Roger! (Hopefully, you won't need luck. :D)

Billabong
11-02-2007, 01:30 AM
GO FED GO:clap2:!!!

mangoes
11-02-2007, 01:39 AM
Marak P.........please put the stars in the title. Apart from the fact that most of us consider it a little good luck to Roger, they serve to make it immediately obvious, when coming to the forum, which threads are for tournaments.

World Beater
11-02-2007, 01:45 AM
roger will be fine for the tmc.

only joker can put the kind of pressure on federer that nalbandian can, and he can't do it to the same extent.

federer understands that all that matters for him is winning titles. All these silly h-h don't become all that significant in his legacy if he wins the big ones.

Marek.
11-02-2007, 02:02 AM
Marak P.........please put the stars in the title. Apart from the fact that most of us consider it a little good luck to Roger, it serves to make it immediately obvious, when coming to the forum, which threads are for tournaments.

There, you win. :ras: :lol: ;)

mangoes
11-02-2007, 02:08 AM
There, you win. :ras: :lol: ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol:Thank You Darling:hug: :hug: :hug:

magnoliaewan
11-02-2007, 02:45 AM
I love how Fed seems to be so good in the most important events (except French Open) of course. Well, the TMC is an important event so he better play like it is. Come on Roger!!!!

NYCtennisfan
11-02-2007, 02:54 AM
Possible groups for the TMC

Federer
Djokovic
Roddick
Murray

Nadal
Davydenko
Ferrer
Gonzo

Shantal
11-02-2007, 03:16 AM
Just a quick question - how it's decided who are the players in each group?
Is it a draw or it depends on their rank in the Race?

mangoes
11-02-2007, 03:17 AM
Possible groups for the TMC

Federer
Djokovic
Roddick
GASQUET

Nadal
Davydenko
Ferrer
Gonzo

:lol: :lol: :lol:

GonzoFed
11-02-2007, 03:20 AM
Possible groups for the TMC

Federer
Djokovic
Roddick
Murray

Nadal
Davydenko
Ferrer
Gonzo

Hehehe..you give Roger the tough one right away.

Blondie1985
11-02-2007, 03:34 AM
God please help Roger!!!

yanchr
11-02-2007, 03:43 AM
God please help Roger!!!
Hey, he will be fine. He doesn't need the help from God. He has the ability to sort things out himself ;)

yanchr
11-02-2007, 03:47 AM
There, you win. :ras: :lol: ;)
You avatar is very annoying these days :ras: :p

SUKTUEN
11-02-2007, 03:55 AM
Go Roger!!!!!!

Win the Cup in China Again!!!

GOD please Bless Roger!!:bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

rofe
11-02-2007, 06:34 AM
It starts in a week and a half so time for a new thread.

P.S. The ***** didn't help that much in Paris. :p

You just jinxed it by adding additional words like the Paris thread. :rolleyes:

If "Feel it" hadn't been added to the Paris thread, we would be looking at a 6-2, 6-1 schooling by Fed. :mad:















:p

nobama
11-02-2007, 11:35 AM
Possible groups for the TMC

Federer
Djokovic
Roddick
Murray

Nadal
Davydenko
Ferrer
Gonzo
Did you mean worse possible group for TMC? :lol:

nobama
11-02-2007, 11:38 AM
roger will be fine for the tmc.

only joker can put the kind of pressure on federer that nalbandian can, and he can't do it to the same extent.

federer understands that all that matters for him is winning titles. All these silly h-h don't become all that significant in his legacy if he wins the big ones.I guess we'll find out at TMC if it is an overall lack of confidence in his game right now or just Fat Dave in his head right now. Or maybe it's Paris that's in his head. He can't seem to win a damn thing there.

bokehlicious
11-02-2007, 11:50 AM
Or maybe it's Paris that's in his head. He can't seem to win a damn thing there.

Yesterday the crowd was clearly rooting badly for him throughout the match, kind of same support Gasquet got vs James. I don't know what's up with Paris/France :shrug: :mad:

SUKTUEN
11-02-2007, 03:02 PM
Hope Roger will play with Andy in Shanghai~:D :D

nobama
11-03-2007, 07:41 AM
Is there any possible way for Nalbandian to some how end up in Shanghai? Doesn't sound like Roddick is going for sure yet. So what happens if Nalbandian wins Paris and Roddick withdraws from Shanghai?

didadida
11-03-2007, 12:34 PM
it will be my worest nightmare
what i know is that baghdatis have a chance to go to tmc

SUKTUEN
11-03-2007, 03:22 PM
Is there any possible way for Nalbandian to some how end up in Shanghai? Doesn't sound like Roddick is going for sure yet. So what happens if Nalbandian wins Paris and Roddick withdraws from Shanghai?

Andy may be not go to Shanghai~~

That is too bad~~~:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

Sunset of Age
11-03-2007, 04:00 PM
Is there any possible way for Nalbandian to some how end up in Shanghai? Doesn't sound like Roddick is going for sure yet. So what happens if Nalbandian wins Paris and Roddick withdraws from Shanghai?

From what I've understood so far, if Nalby wins this tournament (and I'd say there is quite a chance that will indeed happen!), he'll be #9 in the race. If indeed Roddick pulls out, that means... you guessed it.

SUKTUEN
11-03-2007, 04:09 PM
From what I've understood so far, if Nalby wins this tournament (and I'd say there is quite a chance that will indeed happen!), he'll be #9 in the race. If indeed Roddick pulls out, that means... you guessed it.

whatttttttttttttttttttttttttt?:fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

nobama
11-03-2007, 05:59 PM
From what I've understood so far, if Nalby wins this tournament (and I'd say there is quite a chance that will indeed happen!), he'll be #9 in the race. If indeed Roddick pulls out, that means... you guessed it.
And if he doesn't win and Roddick withdraws then Murray would be in?

The only place I've really heard questions about whether Roddick will be there is from the British press. I'm sure they're hoping for any scenario that would slide Murray in. :lol:

What a joke though if Fat Dave some how ends up in Shanghai just because of two good performances at the end of the year when the other top guys are spent from performing well over the course of the entire year. But Roddick obviously only cares about DC right now so he may decide not to make the trip to Shanghai and I can't see the ATP putting any pressure on him to go. He pulled out of Madrid and Paris and it was no big deal.

NYCtennisfan
11-03-2007, 06:24 PM
And if he doesn't win and Roddick withdraws then Murray would be in?

The only place I've really heard questions about whether Roddick will be there is from the British press. I'm sure they're hoping for any scenario that would slide Murray in. :lol:

What a joke though if Fat Dave some how ends up in Shanghai just because of two good performances at the end of the year when the other top guys are spent from performing well over the course of the entire year. But Roddick obviously only cares about DC right now so he may decide not to make the trip to Shanghai and I can't see the ATP putting any pressure on him to go. He pulled out of Madrid and Paris and it was no big deal.

There's a good possibility that Nalbandian could go if Roddick doesn't show although i think that beating Nadal wlll be a lot more difficult this time around so it might not happen. So, do you guys want Nadal to win Paris, or Nalbandian to win and possiby go to Shanghai? Then again, Gasquet could surprise everyone and win.

Revised groups;

Federer
Djokovic
Ferrer
Nalbandian

Nadal
Davydenko
Gonzalez
Gasquet

:p

nobama
11-03-2007, 06:33 PM
Of course my ultimate scenario would be for Nadal NOT to win Paris and Roddick to show up in Shanghai. :D

I haven't heard anything credible that Roddick is a possible no-show. I'm sure he'll want to get some matches in before DC and not go into DC cold without any match play since the last DC tie.

But I really don't want Nalbandian there because I don't consider him one of the best 8 players over the course of the year. He just happened to find his form at the end of the year when other guys are tired, injured or not motivated because they've already qualified for TMC or know their YE ranking is pretty much decided.

NYCtennisfan
11-03-2007, 06:41 PM
I think Roddick will show up. He's not going to go cold into the DC finals. Playing 3 top 10 players will be good practice for him.

The TMC is all about who gets the most points and if Nalbandian can get the most points, he should be there. Yeah, he sucked a fat one until the end of the year, but winning 2 TMS events in a row is a huge rarity outside of Federer and Nadal on clay so if he's there it won't bother me that much.

What Federer needs is some rest after the season, then some intense training starting in mid December. He looked depleted against Nalbandian in Paris with nothing on his serve or FH. I think he'll be back in full force at the AO.

Sunset of Age
11-03-2007, 08:57 PM
I don't expect Roddick to pull out either... I just read some rather unconfirmed rumours of him supposedly being injured. But there's a lot of $$$$ at stake, and so is his credibility (at least I think so), so I'd say it's about 90% sure he'll indeed be there. Which will leave Nalby out anyways.

soraya
11-03-2007, 09:28 PM
I don't expect Roddick to pull out either... I just read some rather unconfirmed rumours of him supposedly being injured. But there's a lot of $$$$ at stake, and so is his credibility (at least I think so), so I'd say it's about 90% sure he'll indeed be there. Which will leave Nalby out anyways.


Karin, love your new avi. Personally, I do not care who shows up in Shanghai. Roger cannot avoid every player who threatens him, before Nalbi, it was Djoko, before Djoko it was Canas...and so on. So, BRING IT ON, and may the better player win.

nobama
11-03-2007, 10:04 PM
I don't expect Roddick to pull out either... I just read some rather unconfirmed rumours of him supposedly being injured. But there's a lot of $$$$ at stake, and so is his credibility (at least I think so), so I'd say it's about 90% sure he'll indeed be there. Which will leave Nalby out anyways.
I hope your right. His website is very vague about Shanghai right now. I think it would be really crappy if he did pull out like in 2005. You can bet if it was being played in the USA (or London even) he wouldn't be a question mark.

Sunset of Age
11-03-2007, 10:27 PM
Karin, love your new avi. Personally, I do not care who shows up in Shanghai. Roger cannot avoid every player who threatens him, before Nalbi, it was Djoko, before Djoko it was Canas...and so on. So, BRING IT ON, and may the better player win.

Thankees. I thought it appropriate to send Rogi my virtual best wishes in the form of him having a well-deserved rest. ;)

You are right, and of course to be a real great champion, you should be able to WIN against anyone. I don't doubt Roger can do exactly that (question is rather: WILL he? ;)).
My post was in reply to Mirkaland's who asked about Nalby's chances of appearing in Shanghai.

I hope your right. His website is very vague about Shanghai right now. I think it would be really crappy if he did pull out like in 2005. You can bet if it was being played in the USA (or London even) he wouldn't be a question mark.

Oh, no question about it at all. It's a well-known fact that Roddick doesn't like to leave the US at all - he always makes himself scarce during the European tournaments as well (with Wimbly as an exception indeed).

Still, unless I read more convincing statements on his 'injury', I expect him to turn up in Shanghai all the same.

World Beater
11-03-2007, 10:45 PM
roger needs to find his bh fast.

piggy, joker and donkey will exploit the crap out of that shot.

nobama
11-04-2007, 12:33 AM
One of the Bryans told Fox Sports that Roddick is 50/50 on whether he'll go to Shanghai. Because DC is all that is motivating him right now. If he doesn't go to Shangahi that will be the 5th MS event this year that he's missed. Amazing how some players can get away with this shit and others get fined for lack of effort.

soraya
11-04-2007, 01:28 AM
Amazing indeed! I never understood the fact he qualified for Shanghai despite his no shows and not winning any important title.

World Beater
11-04-2007, 03:42 AM
Amazing indeed! I never understood the fact he qualified for Shanghai despite his no shows and not winning any important title.

this has not been one of roddick's best years.

he didnt make a TMS final or a GS final.

Mechlan
11-04-2007, 05:48 AM
What a joke though if Fat Dave some how ends up in Shanghai just because of two good performances at the end of the year when the other top guys are spent from performing well over the course of the entire year. But Roddick obviously only cares about DC right now so he may decide not to make the trip to Shanghai and I can't see the ATP putting any pressure on him to go. He pulled out of Madrid and Paris and it was no big deal.

Just two good performances? Who else in the past three years has won 2 MS titles in a season? Especially if he wins Paris, Fat Dave totally deserves to be in Shanghai, at least based on current form. He's earned his points legitimately. Of course, there would be something hilariously ironic about him getting into the tournament as an alternate for a second time.

World Beater
11-04-2007, 06:23 AM
Just two good performances? Who else in the past three years has won 2 MS titles in a season? Especially if he wins Paris, Fat Dave totally deserves to be in Shanghai, at least based on current form. He's earned his points legitimately. Of course, there would be something hilariously ironic about him getting into the tournament as an alternate for a second time.

esp when murray or baghdatis had chances to qualify :o

nalbandian is far more deserving than both of those but its good that richie qualified.

gonzo truba's season is like the mirror image of nalbandian. Good in the first quarter and then crap the rest.

nobama
11-04-2007, 08:34 AM
Just two good performances? Who else in the past three years has won 2 MS titles in a season? Especially if he wins Paris, Fat Dave totally deserves to be in Shanghai, at least based on current form. He's earned his points legitimately. Of course, there would be something hilariously ironic about him getting into the tournament as an alternate for a second time.So he deserves to be there because he's hot right now even though he's sucked for most of the year? Even if he wins Paris he still wouldn't qualify based on race points, he'd only slip in if someone else withdraws. To me that does not equal totally deserving to be there, just because he's hot and playing well right now.

If Nalbandian was more deserving than some who qualified (or nearly qualified) then he would be there outright. Davydenko beat him at RG, Baggy beat him at Wimbledon and Ferrer beat him at the US Open. I don't care that he's the most talented player on tour. TMC should be about results over an entire year, not two weeks at the end of the year.

SUKTUEN
11-04-2007, 10:27 AM
if David win tonight, that he may be can go to Shanghai~~
I don't want to see him~~~

if Nadal win, that Roger's ranking will be more tough next year~~

I don't know.

Blondie1985
11-04-2007, 11:31 AM
I just hope nalbandian won't go to Shanguai!

Or Levy
11-04-2007, 12:17 PM
David deserves the YEC spot, definitly over Gasquet.

But I REALLY don't want him there.

How does the draw works? I mean, if he's number 8 cause Roddick isn't there - isn't he Roger's first match for sure???!!!!

didadida
11-04-2007, 12:33 PM
i dont know which better
nadal win paris and the points decreases between roger and nadal= but roger still has a chance to win in shanghai

or nalbandian win and roger has better chances in ranking next year,but it is very possible that nalbandian could be in roger's draw ,so he may defeat roger again and roger wll lose shanghai and loses points

i dont know whats better ...
can anyone tell me???

stebs
11-04-2007, 01:51 PM
Easiest possible group

Federer
Davydenko
Ferrer
Gonzalez

Hardest possible group

Federer
Djokovic
Roddick
Gasquet

stebs
11-04-2007, 01:53 PM
David deserves the YEC spot, definitly over Gasquet.

But I REALLY don't want him there.

How does the draw works? I mean, if he's number 8 cause Roddick isn't there - isn't he Roger's first match for sure???!!!!

No.

#1/2 are each put into a different group at random

#3/4 are each put into a different group at random

#5/6 are each put into a different group at random

#7/8 are each put into a different group at random

nobama
11-04-2007, 02:23 PM
David deserves the YEC spot, definitly over Gasquet.

But I REALLY don't want him there.

How does the draw works? I mean, if he's number 8 cause Roddick isn't there - isn't he Roger's first match for sure???!!!!If he really deserved it over Gasquet he would be there outright because he'd have more points. But he didin't perform well enough at the slams (or really before Madrid).

ExpectedWinner
11-04-2007, 04:33 PM
i dont know which better
nadal win paris and the points decreases between roger and nadal= but roger still has a chance to win in shanghai

or nalbandian win and roger has better chances in ranking next year,but it is very possible that nalbandian could be in roger's draw ,so he may defeat roger again and roger wll lose shanghai and loses points

i dont know whats better ...
can anyone tell me???

Just a thought: try not to look at things from Fed's perspective. I did it in the middle of this year and couldn't enjoy the game. IMO, the presence of Nalbandian/Murray in Shanghai would make a tournament more interesting than the presence of Roddick/Robredo/injured and messed up in a head Davydenko.

didadida
11-04-2007, 04:40 PM
i wish roger will play good and win the cup

nalbandian win the first set and break nadal in the second 6-4 2-0
nalby deserves to win he is playing very good

anyway good luck roger

SUKTUEN
11-04-2007, 05:11 PM
is that if Andy not go to Shanghai, David can come ?
He won the Paris tour~~~

SUKTUEN
11-04-2007, 05:11 PM
I just hope nalbandian won't go to Shanguai!

me too!!:mad: :mad:

NYCtennisfan
11-04-2007, 05:18 PM
roger needs to find his bh fast.

piggy, joker and donkey will exploit the crap out of that shot.

While it was weak against Nalbandian, his loopy FH and overall weak serve pace wise hurt him even more I think. Nalbandian's BH is a like a left-handed FH that can create angles like no other BH so it will always trouble the Fed BH and has other than on a few occasions. The reason that Fed started dominating Nalbandian was because of the aggressive early FH and good serving alongside a steady BH.

nobama
11-04-2007, 05:21 PM
Just a thought: try not to look at things from Fed's perspective. I did it in the middle of this year and couldn't enjoy the game. IMO, the presence of Nalbandian/Murray in Shanghai would make a tournament more interesting than the presence of Roddick/Robredo/injured and messed up in a head Davydenko.
Then they'd have to change the rules around TMC and save a spot or two for who ever is 'hot' at the moment or leave it to the discretion of the TD or something like that.

ExpectedWinner
11-04-2007, 05:28 PM
Then they'd have to change the rules around TMC and save a spot or two for who ever is 'hot' at the moment or leave it to the discretion of the TD or something like that.

No. I'm not proposing it.

Eden
11-04-2007, 05:47 PM
What does it matter how David performed over the year? The fact is that he collected enough points in time to make it to No. 9 in the race and therefore he is the deserved substitution player for the TMC :)

NightWolf7
11-04-2007, 07:02 PM
I've always thought that points came from the whole year not from two tournaments.

I don't think, it's fair that Nalbandian could get to the TMC because he has had two good tournaments. Other players have worked more for the point IMO. On the other hand he has got the points from two tournaments and those points are enough. And it would make things very interesting. And I would love to see Roger beat him badly. And I know he can do it.

Mechlan
11-04-2007, 07:30 PM
So he deserves to be there because he's hot right now even though he's sucked for most of the year? Even if he wins Paris he still wouldn't qualify based on race points, he'd only slip in if someone else withdraws. To me that does not equal totally deserving to be there, just because he's hot and playing well right now.

If Nalbandian was more deserving than some who qualified (or nearly qualified) then he would be there outright. Davydenko beat him at RG, Baggy beat him at Wimbledon and Ferrer beat him at the US Open. I don't care that he's the most talented player on tour. TMC should be about results over an entire year, not two weeks at the end of the year.

I didn't say he was more deserving than any of those that have qualified. But I disagreed with you that it would be "a joke" if he did make it to Shanghai. His results over the course of the year are 9th best in the world. It doesn't matter if he got those points over 2 weeks or 52 weeks, he earned them fair.

Eden
11-04-2007, 07:31 PM
I've always thought that points came from the whole year not from two tournaments.

I don't think, it's fair that Nalbandian could get to the TMC because he has had two good tournaments. Other players have worked more for the point IMO. On the other hand he has got the points from two tournaments and those points are enough. And it would make things very interesting. And I would love to see Roger beat him badly. And I know he can do it.

Well, it isn't that David just collected the points from the last two tournaments - in fact he even lost some in Basel -, although the majority of course came out from Madrid and Paris. What does it mean that other players have worked more for the points?

Would we really discuss about all this when the substitution player would be Haas, Murray or Baghdatis? ;)

nobama
11-04-2007, 07:36 PM
I didn't say he was more deserving than any of those that have qualified. But I disagreed with you that it would be "a joke" if he did make it to Shanghai. His results over the course of the year are 9th best in the world. It doesn't matter if he got those points over 2 weeks or 52 weeks, he earned them fair.No you're right. And if he makes it in as an alternate then of course that is fair and legit.

nobama
11-04-2007, 07:37 PM
Would we really discuss about all this when the substitution player would be Haas, Murray or Baghdatis? ;)
No of course not, except maybe for Murray.

Mechlan
11-04-2007, 07:49 PM
While it was weak against Nalbandian, his loopy FH and overall weak serve pace wise hurt him even more I think. Nalbandian's BH is a like a left-handed FH that can create angles like no other BH so it will always trouble the Fed BH and has other than on a few occasions. The reason that Fed started dominating Nalbandian was because of the aggressive early FH and good serving alongside a steady BH.

What happened to the Roger that used to play aggressive first strike tennis? Initially the defensive mindset was limited to clay, but if he doesn't learn his lesson soon, he's going to face more tough losses in later rounds at important tournaments by players that take the initiative away from him and have the confidence to win against him.

Easiest possible group

Federer
Davydenko
Ferrer
Gonzalez

Hardest possible group

Federer
Djokovic
Roddick
Gasquet

Looks like one of (Djokovic, Nadal, Federer) is going to have to face the other two back to back in the semis/finals. From that perspective I'm not sure if having Djokovic in your group is a blessing or a curse. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

nobama
11-04-2007, 07:52 PM
What happened to the Roger that used to play aggressive first strike tennis? Initially the defensive mindset was limited to clay, but if he doesn't learn his lesson soon, he's going to face more tough losses in later rounds at important tournaments by players that take the initiative away from him and have the confidence to win against him.Hopefully he's starting to figure this out. But it might take a few more losses ala Madrid and Paris for it to sink in. I would love to see him be more aggressive off the ROS. Actually just be more aggressive in general.

World Beater
11-04-2007, 09:31 PM
i could envision a truly horrific group for nadal

nadal
djokovic
ferrer
nalbandian

:eek:

substitute nadal for federer and he could have an equally tough group as well.

NightWolf7
11-05-2007, 01:19 PM
Well, it isn't that David just collected the points from the last two tournaments - in fact he even lost some in Basel -, although the majority of course came out from Madrid and Paris. What does it mean that other players have worked more for the points?

Would we really discuss about all this when the substitution player would be Haas, Murray or Baghdatis? ;)

Maybe that wasn't the right way to say it, but I think other players have been more consistent. I think Nalbandian is the best player right now, but I don't think it's enough for Shanghai...

SUKTUEN
11-05-2007, 03:15 PM
I post some pic of Roger in Shanghai in "Let's..."

Roger looks very conscientious and careful this year~, he show he not very welcome fans close to him~~ just I think, hope it is not true, he will not live in Hilton this year again, but also not four season, some news said he live in BOTEMAN this year~~:sad: :sad: :sad:

Blondie1985
11-05-2007, 03:38 PM
Roger looks very conscientious and careful this year~, he show he not very welcome fans close to him~~

why are u saying that????

SUKTUEN
11-05-2007, 03:45 PM
why are u saying that????

he don't tell anyone why he live, and he show carefully to the fans I think, just I think~~:sad:

Eden
11-06-2007, 07:46 PM
he don't tell anyone why he live, and he show carefully to the fans I think, just I think~~:sad:

Suk, don't be sad when Roger wants time for his own and doesn't tell anyone in which hotel he is staying. He has a job to do in Shanghai and needs all his concentration.

nobama
11-06-2007, 09:26 PM
i could envision a truly horrific group for nadal

nadal
djokovic
ferrer
nalbandian

:eek:

substitute nadal for federer and he could have an equally tough group as well.
Apparenlty according to this article http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2007/11/06/um/01534925.html Roddick will be in Shangahi. If that's the case then I guess the only question mark is Davydenko?

nobama
11-06-2007, 11:03 PM
I read over on Roger's website that apparently Nalbandian has said no thanks to TMC (as an alternate). Apparently he doesn't want to go not knowing if he'll play or not. I also heard that Roddick and Davydenko confirmed their participation, but I haven't seen anything official yet.

FedFan_2007
11-07-2007, 03:24 AM
Best group for Piggy:

Nadal
Fixer
Duck
Froggy

yanchr
11-07-2007, 06:37 AM
Group out:

Roger with Davydenko, Roddick, Gonzalez

Nadal with Djokovic, Ferrer, Gasquet

yanchr
11-07-2007, 06:38 AM
Good and balanced draw. Now it's up to you Roger.

World Beater
11-07-2007, 06:57 AM
:hatoff: Good and balanced draw. Now it's up to you Roger.

Puschkin
11-07-2007, 07:35 AM
Group out:

Roger with Davydenko, Roddick, Gonzalez
Nadal with Djokovic, Ferrer, Gasquet

Source???? Nothing to be found yet on reliable sites.

yanchr
11-07-2007, 07:53 AM
Source???? Nothing to be found yet on reliable sites.
If you can read Chinese ;)

http://sports.sina.com.cn/t/2007-11-07/14243277140.shtml

It is reliable.

Or Levy
11-07-2007, 09:01 AM
OMG at that draw.

34:1 in the h2h!!!

LOL, I'm happy, but I'll agree with the Rafa fans who would say Roger got lucky with that draw. I mean, Roddick is Rusty, Davy forgot to serve, and Gonzo hasn't showed any kind of serious form in months, and those points came from the AO where he played brilliant and was whipped in three sets by Roger. when those three play their best they can't beat Roger.

Should (hopefully) be stress-free matches, and I'll forget about Roddick's MP last year, won't happen again.

Puschkin
11-07-2007, 09:33 AM
OMG at that draw.
34:1 in the h2h!!!
LOL, I'm happy.

I certainly won't look like a Kassandra, but this is dangerously easy.


If you can read Chinese ;)

http://sports.sina.com.cn/t/2007-11-07/14243277140.shtml

It is reliable.

:worship: I was just uncertain, because this has been out very early in Chinese, but took a lot of time to be confirmed by any other sites.

didadida
11-07-2007, 11:08 AM
the draw in out in www.masters-cup.com
hope everything will work good for roger

rafa fans think this is an easy draw for roger,so what about nadal's draw in paris

Eden
11-07-2007, 11:51 AM
rafa fans think this is an easy draw for roger,so what about nadal's draw in paris

On MTF are always discussions about the draws of these two players. Most of the time everything equalizes. Rafa had a more comfortable draw in Paris, whether Roger had a tougher one then. At the TMC you have the advantage that you are not out when you lose a match. Rafa still has the chance to make it through his group.

Puschkin
11-07-2007, 11:53 AM
On MTF are always discussions about the draws of these two players.

Well, you have to admit, that Roger's is easy on paper. But I don't like these draw debates anyway, the draw is what it is. Get on with it.

Eden
11-07-2007, 11:55 AM
Well, you have to admit, that Roger's is easy on paper.

I don't deny this ;) But do you really think the comments would be any different if he had Djokovic instead of Roddick or Gonzalez in his group? I mean, apart from Nadal Roger has a convincing h2h against all players.


But I don't like these draw debates anyway, the draw is what it is. Get on with it.

Exactly my thought :)

elessar
11-07-2007, 01:21 PM
Pretty nice draw for Roger, he'll be able to play himself into form before facing Djoko or Nadal,in all likelyhood, in the semis. I know I'm jinxing him but it looks like he'll maintain his perfect record in RR matchs:tape:.

The MC surface being perfect for his game, he's also got a great opportunity to assert his nr1 ranking for next year. Good luck Roger

nobama
11-07-2007, 01:39 PM
Pretty nice draw for Roger, he'll be able to play himself into form before facing Djoko or Nadal,in all likelyhood, in the semis. I know I'm jinxing him but it looks like he'll maintain his perfect record in RR matchs:tape:.

The MC surface being perfect for his game, he's also got a great opportunity to assert his nr1 ranking for next year. Good luck RogerI read a comment from Djokovic (I'm guessing it was translanted from the Chinese press) that the surface seemed slow to him and he hoped it would get faster. I haven't heard that they changed the surface so maybe it's just Djokovic not having played on it before and needed to get used to it. I hope it hasn't been slowed down.

elessar
11-07-2007, 01:47 PM
I read a comment from Djokovic (I'm guessing it was translanted from the Chinese press) that the surface seemed slow to him and he hoped it would get faster. I haven't heard that they changed the surface so maybe it's just Djokovic not having played on it before and needed to get used to it. I hope it hasn't been slowed down.

I think they would have said it if they had changed the surface, besides they had no reason to do that because no players complained about it last year. The surface has never been very fast but the bounce suited Roger's game perfectly, i don't hink I've ever seen him hit his BH better than in the semi and final last year : it was phenomenal :eek:

Fergie
11-07-2007, 01:56 PM
Nice draw for Roger, good luck! :yeah:

nobama
11-07-2007, 01:57 PM
I see in GM the 'wake me up when AO starts' posts have already begun. :lol:

Daniel
11-07-2007, 02:00 PM
Nice draw !!!

Vamos Roger :worship: :bounce:

yanchr
11-07-2007, 02:59 PM
I read a comment from Djokovic (I'm guessing it was translanted from the Chinese press) that the surface seemed slow to him and he hoped it would get faster. I haven't heard that they changed the surface so maybe it's just Djokovic not having played on it before and needed to get used to it. I hope it hasn't been slowed down.
The organizers said they didn't change the surface at all. It is exactly the same surface for last year. Djokovic is the first to practice on the surface which was ready to be used only a couple of days ago. That may be the reason for the comment.

Roger didn't yet practise on that surface, cuz the stadium is far away from where he lives. Instead he practised in a stadium close to his hotel which the organizers specifically prepared for the players using exactly the same surface. BTW, nobody was allowed in there.

RogiFan88
11-07-2007, 03:42 PM
Looks like TFA didn't get the luck he wanted for the draw even tho Tio Toni doesn't believe in it...

nobama
11-07-2007, 03:44 PM
The organizers said they didn't change the surface at all. It is exactly the same surface for last year. Djokovic is the first to practice on the surface which was ready to be used only a couple of days ago. That may be the reason for the comment.

Roger didn't yet practise on that surface, cuz the stadium is far away from where he lives. Instead he practised in a stadium close to his hotel which the organizers specifically prepared for the players using exactly the same surface. BTW, nobody was allowed in there.Interesting. Do you know if any other players are staying at the same hotel as Roger?
Hopefully the surface will be faster once the tournament starts.

SUKTUEN
11-07-2007, 03:54 PM
Good Luck Roger in Shanghai!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

yanchr
11-07-2007, 04:01 PM
Interesting. Do you know if any other players are staying at the same hotel as Roger?
All the other players are staying in the official sponsor hotel. Only Roger is not. He is staying in a different hotel from 2005 or 2006 :o :p

Sunset of Age
11-07-2007, 04:16 PM
All the other players are staying in the official sponsor hotel. Only Roger is not. He is staying in a different hotel from 2005 or 2006 :o :p

Interesting. I guess he wants to prepare without any distractions from anyone.

SUKTUEN
11-07-2007, 04:22 PM
I think Roger don't want to face too many fans in the hotel.:o

Sunset of Age
11-07-2007, 05:11 PM
I think Roger don't want to face too many fans in the hotel.:o

I guess so too, Suk. But it isn't necessarily a negative thing - apparently Roger wants to prepare for this tournament undisturbed, which would be difficult if he ran into fans all the time. He obviously chose for this hotel because he thinks it will benefit his preparation. We all want him to do well here, don't we? :hug:

Xristos
11-07-2007, 05:16 PM
Wow!

What a group for Roger!

Total OWNAGGGEEE!

Allez champ!

nobama
11-07-2007, 06:34 PM
Interesting. I guess he wants to prepare without any distractions from anyone.
That arrogant bastard, can't share the same hotel as the other players. At least he doesn't rent his own house like Tiger Woods. :o

j/k :p

lunahielo
11-07-2007, 06:36 PM
Interesting. I guess he wants to prepare without any distractions from anyone.

Good thinking! It shows how much Roger wants this...
(question? Does this count as giving him/anyone points as far as being #1, etc.)

I think this idea of staying away from fans and all other distractions shows he is planning ahead................Great! imo :)

luna

Rogieva
11-07-2007, 06:52 PM
Amazing draw, there is no reason for not making the SF!

Good luck roger!!!!!!!!!!!

nobama
11-07-2007, 07:10 PM
Good thinking! It shows how much Roger wants this...
(question? Does this count as giving him/anyone points as far as being #1, etc.)

I think this idea of staying away from fans and all other distractions shows he is planning ahead................Great! imo :)

luna
I can understand him wanting to stay at a different hotel. I'm sure the players hotel is crowded with media and fans.

stebs
11-07-2007, 07:10 PM
The surface suits Roger, he is heavy favourite to win this title. People can say what they want about him being beatable now but the truth is, of the 7 opponents he could potentially face in the TMC, he has only ONE defeat against any of them off clay in the last 18 months.

In that time he has racked up 24 wins against all of them combined. 24-1 is pretty dominant from where I'm standing.

nobama
11-07-2007, 07:21 PM
The surface suits Roger, he is heavy favourite to win this title. People can say what they want about him being beatable now but the truth is, of the 7 opponents he could potentially face in the TMC, he has only ONE defeat against any of them off clay in the last 18 months.

In that time he has racked up 24 wins against all of them combined. 24-1 is pretty dominant from where I'm standing.
Even though Roger has amazing stats on hard against all these guys I hope he still comes into this tournament as a man on a mission. Like he did at the beginning of his SF match against Nadal last year. He was just cracking the shit out of the ball and Nadal didn't know what hit him.

SerenaFederer
11-07-2007, 07:26 PM
omg fabulous draw!!!! :woohoo: wonder who he will get in the semis

SerenaFederer
11-07-2007, 07:27 PM
Even though Roger has amazing stats on hard against all these guys I hope he still comes into this tournament as a man on a mission. Like he did at the beginning of his SF match against Nadal last year. He was just cracking the shit out of the ball and Nadal didn't know what hit him.

agreed...i watch that match over and over and wonder where did that just come from...hope he does it again this year :D

soraya
11-07-2007, 09:34 PM
I think Roger saves the best for the year end, thinking that there is a nice break ahead, he gives it all. Good luck!

NYCtennisfan
11-08-2007, 01:04 AM
Good draw for Fed, but in all fairness, there couldn't be a difficult group for him with the players present. Djoko on his side would've made it more difficult but even then he would've at least finished 2-1. The players that would make it difficult for Fed are Nalbandian and Murray.

In any case, Fed will likely have to face Djoko and Nadal back-to-back in the SF's and F's. He could theoretically beat the #2, #3, #4, and #5 players in the world and nobody will make a big deal of it because it's EXPECTED of him. It's difficult being the Expected Winner. ;) Nothing much to gain, a lot to lose everytime you toe up to the service line which is what causes a lot of his grumpiness on court.

Sunset of Age
11-08-2007, 01:13 AM
Good draw for Fed, but in all fairness, there couldn't be a difficult group for him with the players present. Djoko on his side would've made it more difficult but even then he would've at least finished 2-1. The players that would make it difficult for Fed are Nalbandian and Murray.

In any case, Fed will likely have to face Djoko and Nadal back-to-back in the SF's and F's. He could theoretically beat the #2, #3, #4, and #5 players in the world and nobody will make a big deal of it because it's EXPECTED of him. It's difficult being the Expected Winner. ;) Nothing much to gain, a lot to lose everytime you toe up to the service line which is what causes a lot of his grumpiness on court.

Very well said indeed.

break-point
11-08-2007, 01:59 AM
yes,a expected winner has too much pressure,even it seems that rogi has a good draw, he should carefully play every match .
before getting the title,must be careful.

SUKTUEN
11-08-2007, 02:36 PM
Hope I can see Roger play with Andy in Wed!!!:hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Rog1
11-08-2007, 02:41 PM
Hope I can see Roger play with Andy in Wed!!!:hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

That's so cool, Suk. I wish you all the luck in the world that you get to see our man.

Take photos..........


Linda (Luton-UK)

SUKTUEN
11-08-2007, 02:52 PM
That's so cool, Suk. I wish you all the luck in the world that you get to see our man.

Take photos..........


Linda (Luton-UK)

no no no my dear~~~ I only can see them in TV~~~:sad:

sorry for my poor english~~~this year I can't go to Shanghai because my Fu*king work~~~~:mad: :mad:

but I will post some pic taken by my friends in Shanghai in here.:worship: :worship:

Eden
11-08-2007, 05:12 PM
Roger practising with David Ferrer

http://s.sohu.com/20071108/n253140932.shtml

SUKTUEN
11-09-2007, 01:10 AM
Roger is very happy in the court~~

Carol Crowe
11-09-2007, 09:55 AM
Good draw for Fed, but in all fairness, there couldn't be a difficult group for him with the players present. Djoko on his side would've made it more difficult but even then he would've at least finished 2-1. The players that would make it difficult for Fed are Nalbandian and Murray.

In any case, Fed will likely have to face Djoko and Nadal back-to-back in the SF's and F's. He could theoretically beat the #2, #3, #4, and #5 players in the world and nobody will make a big deal of it because it's EXPECTED of him. It's difficult being the Expected Winner. ;) Nothing much to gain, a lot to lose everytime you toe up to the service line which is what causes a lot of his grumpiness on court.

Here, here....how true indeed! Well said, as usual NYCtennisfan.

stebs
11-09-2007, 11:15 AM
Good draw for Fed, but in all fairness, there couldn't be a difficult group for him with the players present. Djoko on his side would've made it more difficult but even then he would've at least finished 2-1. The players that would make it difficult for Fed are Nalbandian and Murray.

In any case, Fed will likely have to face Djoko and Nadal back-to-back in the SF's and F's. He could theoretically beat the #2, #3, #4, and #5 players in the world and nobody will make a big deal of it because it's EXPECTED of him. It's difficult being the Expected Winner. ;) Nothing much to gain, a lot to lose everytime you toe up to the service line which is what causes a lot of his grumpiness on court.

I agree with you for the most part but I've always got the impression that Roger is really relaxed at ther TMC and just enjoys himself.

SUKTUEN
11-09-2007, 05:53 PM
Rgoer will play with Gonzalez in Monday!!!!

Go Roger!:bounce: :bounce:

World Beater
11-09-2007, 07:37 PM
I agree with you for the most part but I've always got the impression that Roger is really relaxed at ther TMC and just enjoys himself.

when he sees blake on the other side:o

NYCtennisfan
11-10-2007, 03:31 AM
I agree with you for the most part but I've always got the impression that Roger is really relaxed at ther TMC and just enjoys himself.

I think he likes the fact that it's the end of the season and he can put everything into hopefully 5 matches and move on to next year. His final against Hewitt in the 2004 TMC final was as relaxed as I have ever seen Federer. They could've played a 100 sets and Hewitt would not have won one.

SUKTUEN
11-10-2007, 05:27 AM
my friends take pic with Roger again and again!:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :bounce: :bounce:

didadida
11-10-2007, 11:02 AM
my friends take pic with Roger again and again!:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :bounce: :bounce:

that is great SUK
is any chance for you to go and see him???

SUKTUEN
11-10-2007, 02:00 PM
that is great SUK
is any chance for you to go and see him???

no, I can't go to Shanghai this year, sorry~~:sad: :sad:

didadida
11-10-2007, 02:50 PM
no, I can't go to Shanghai this year, sorry~~:sad: :sad:

cheer up SUK
i hope your friends can take a good pictures of roger for youuuuuuuuuuu

SUKTUEN
11-10-2007, 03:03 PM
cheer up SUK
i hope your friends can take a good pictures of roger for youuuuuuuuuuu

Yes, they did~~~

they are about 5-7 fans take a pic with Roger together.:D :D :D
They looks very happy, I hope I can go to Beijing and Shanghai both next year!:worship: :worship:

Monteque
11-10-2007, 03:55 PM
Any chance to see the pics that you friend took it?

SUKTUEN
11-10-2007, 04:14 PM
Any chance to see the pics that you friend took it?

I need to ask them. Because that is not my pic~sorry:worship:

nobama
11-10-2007, 08:55 PM
What's up with the media in China? I swear every article I read he's being asked about having babies. :o

didadida
11-10-2007, 10:52 PM
What's up with the media in China? I swear every article I read he's being asked about having babies. :o

where did you read it?
i was searching for articles about him but i couldnt find any,so what is the link??????

Monteque
11-11-2007, 02:10 AM
What's up with the media in China? I swear every article I read he's being asked about having babies. :o

Lol...In chinese culture, having a baby is a very important thing in life and a big fortune to the family...IMO.

And chinese people love Roger, so they hope Roger will have a baby soon:)

bokehlicious
11-11-2007, 07:02 AM
If Roger had to lose to Nadal in this YEC then I would agree that he has a mental blocking when it come to TFA. Nadal is nowhere near a threat on that type of surface these days... :tape:

MarcelaTauro
11-11-2007, 12:59 PM
Nadal won today :fiery:
Come on Roger.I hope you have a great start tomorrow. :kiss:

MarcelaTauro
11-11-2007, 01:01 PM
no, I can't go to Shanghai this year, sorry~~:sad: :sad:

What a shame Suk :hug:

SUKTUEN
11-11-2007, 02:42 PM
What a shame Suk :hug:

thanks for your kind, :smooch: I hope I can go to Beijing and Shanghai both next year!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


GOD Please help me!!!:worship: :worship: :worship:

lunahielo
11-12-2007, 03:32 AM
Allez, Roger~~~~in round one!!!!! :bounce:

SUKTUEN
11-12-2007, 05:19 AM
go Roger~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!

didadida
11-12-2007, 08:38 AM
good luck rogiii

Rog1
11-12-2007, 11:16 AM
What a shame Suk :hug:


Oh Suk. Fingers crossed for next year

Hugs

Linda (Luton-UK)

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 11:47 AM
Rogi is doing pretty well right now. :yeah:

didadida
11-12-2007, 11:53 AM
3-1 roger
he is playing good

nobama
11-12-2007, 12:12 PM
Roger served at 72% in that first set. :eek: When's the last time he's done that?

nobama
11-12-2007, 12:13 PM
Rogi is doing pretty well right now. :yeah:He was coming to net quite a bit, that's always a good sign.

Puschkin
11-12-2007, 12:14 PM
On SB it looks very easy, in reality too?

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 12:18 PM
He was coming to net quite a bit, that's always a good sign.

Indeed, but I have to say... Gonzo had quite a few amazing passing shots at hand. When Fed faces a real opponent this might not be such a good option. Anyway he makes a strong impression! :worship:

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 12:23 PM
Gonzo has upped his level quite a bit... looks like a real match now.

fedsfan1
11-12-2007, 12:27 PM
Gonzo has upped his level quite a bit... looks like a real match now.


hi

i agree.
i just love Rogi playing at the net .....nice to see some s&v.

GO ROGER

didadida
11-12-2007, 12:28 PM
second set gonzo 8 winners
roger only 2 winners

fedsfan1
11-12-2007, 12:30 PM
On SB it looks very easy, in reality too?

pretty easy. nando did go up a level now

but Rogi came out w/ that racket roaring

love that

GO ROGER

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 12:34 PM
Love game for Gonzo... come on Feds!

didadida
11-12-2007, 12:44 PM
he is making more errors comparing to the first set
c'mon rogii

didadida
11-12-2007, 12:45 PM
5-5 all
go rogii
break nowwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Puschkin
11-12-2007, 12:47 PM
What is going on ? No breakpoints at all?

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 12:49 PM
What is going on ? No breakpoints at all?

Nope, both players are holding serve very easily. Gonzo is playing a lot better now, and Rogi is making more errors. Not even a chance of him breaking Gonzo's serve in the second set - I expect this will be a TB.

didadida
11-12-2007, 12:49 PM
gonzo playing very well in the second set

didadida
11-12-2007, 12:50 PM
tie break !!!!!!

didadida
11-12-2007, 12:52 PM
2 minnie break for gonzo
what is going on

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 12:54 PM
You can see it all happening here: http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-star-sports-test.html

3-0 Gonzo.

didadida
11-12-2007, 12:54 PM
6-0
roger wake up

Billabong
11-12-2007, 12:55 PM
WTF cmon Roger cmon GO!

didadida
11-12-2007, 12:56 PM
second set gonzo
what in the hell roger was thinking in this set

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 12:56 PM
Fed in Mirkaland...

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 12:57 PM
Idiotic challenge from Fed. Jeebus, WAKE UP man! :mad: :mad: :mad:

didadida
11-12-2007, 01:01 PM
he didnt even win a single point in the tiebreak

nobama
11-12-2007, 01:01 PM
I'm going to pretend I never saw that TB. :o :o :o

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 01:06 PM
And another :retard: challenge from Fed.
Something wrong with his eyes?

didadida
11-12-2007, 01:06 PM
and now he ruined 4 chances to break gonzo serve

didadida
11-12-2007, 01:08 PM
omg 2 break point for gonzo

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 01:09 PM
I'm NOT enjoying this. :(

didadida
11-12-2007, 01:10 PM
thank god
2-1 mow

didadida
11-12-2007, 01:10 PM
thank god
2-1 now

didadida
11-12-2007, 01:47 PM
this is shame
what is wrong with him

didadida
11-12-2007, 01:49 PM
i start worrying from now on when roger win the first set
he is pissing me off

nobama
11-12-2007, 01:50 PM
Fuck Roger! How could you lose to Gonzo?!? :( :o

He paid the price for that second set.

didadida
11-12-2007, 01:57 PM
Fuck Roger! How could you lose to Gonzo?!? :( :o

He paid the price for that second set.

and we thought that is a very easy draw for him,losing to gonzo,i wonder what he is going to do in the next matches
but he didnt deserve to win

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 01:58 PM
Fuck Roger! How could you lose to Gonzo?!? :( :o

He paid the price for that second set.

Credits to Gonzo, he played very well indeed.
I DO want to know what went on in Rogi's head during that second set TB though. What a terrible performance that was... :mad:

magnoliaewan
11-12-2007, 01:58 PM
Wow, what's wrong with Roger? I was kind of like "yeah, whatever" when people said his domination is declining but maybe it really is. :confused:

Fergie
11-12-2007, 01:59 PM
WTF Rogi??? :help:

Or Levy
11-12-2007, 02:26 PM
I'm sorry Roger, for saying your draw was so easy.

Did you guys SEE that fight with the umpire "Don't tell me this shit!" (????)

And where did 2007 AO Gonzo come from, and why didn't he bring AO Federer with him?

nobama
11-12-2007, 02:33 PM
I'm sorry Roger, for saying your draw was so easy.

Did you guys SEE that fight with the umpire "Don't tell me this shit!" (????)

And where did 2007 AO Gonzo come from, and why didn't he bring AO Federer with him?That 2007 AO Gonzo only showed up after Roger played that poor TB. He let Gonzo back into the match and paid the price.

I still think Roger will beat Davydenko, but watch Roddick play the match of his life against Roger and send him packing. :o

RonE
11-12-2007, 02:43 PM
I, along with many others I'm sure, have been thinking for a while that Roger needs a good kick up the arse to get himself motivated again and make him wake up and smell the coffee.

The rest of the tour is improving and he seems to be stagnating in the last 8 months or so. If he wants to be in the run for more GS titles he needs to get a coach. But I think it will get worse before it gets better and he realizes this and stops the self denial. He needs some more stinging losses like this one to light the fire under his arse.

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 02:44 PM
I still think Roger will beat Davydenko, but watch Roddick play the match of his life against Roger and send him packing. :o

You know what? I woudn't even be too surprised if that's what's going to happen... :scared:

Jeebus, I hope someone will post his presser here. He's got quite a few things to explain! :o

Puschkin
11-12-2007, 02:49 PM
I'm sorry Roger, for saying your draw was so easy.

I also thought along those lines, but with the added notion of "too easy" and slight worries at the back of my head which I did not dare to voice (see post 81). I did not expect a loss to Gonzo though. But if some of you spoke about a wake-up call, I think it has happened with a bump and I am still very confident for Roger to make it out of round robin.

mangoes
11-12-2007, 02:57 PM
I'm shocked.........I didn't expect to wake up this morning and see a loss. Roger has been struggling lately.....and I think he knows it. I don't know what the solution needs to be, but it definitely wouldn't hurt things to get a coach.....GET A COACH ROGER!!

Xristos
11-12-2007, 03:11 PM
Bullshit Roger!!

Get your act together..

SUKTUEN
11-12-2007, 03:15 PM
Roger, I am very disappointed and angry!!!!:fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

your TB today is nothing!!!:fiery: :fiery:

Please keep very focus !!!OK?

Roger don't give up!!:banghead: :banghead:

Trust yourself!!!

Fight for every point!!

GOd Please Bless Roger!!Please!!:bowdown: :bowdown:

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 03:20 PM
Why are you screaming for a coach? He said he doesn't practice as hard as he used to (see the topic below). What coach is going to like this approach? Something is lost, he has to find it within himself. After that, he can hire a coach.

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 03:33 PM
And where did 2007 AO Gonzo come from

They are professionals, they are quick to see if someone shows up undertrained. They smell a chance.

NYCtennisfan
11-12-2007, 03:34 PM
He dominates the first set like he did against Nalbandian, cruises on serve in the 2nd like he did against Nalbandian, then plays a nothing TB. That gives Gonzo life and then Federer chokes away his chances in the 3rd set. I think he expected Gonzo to roll over, get a break, and then end it just like he did against Nalbandian.

This is the third time he has lost this year when he has won more points overall.

First loss to Gonzo and first loss ever in RR play. Fed is dangerously close to not controlling his own destiny as far as #1 is concerned when the AO rolls around.

This goes to show all the people who talk about a 'mug' ear and so on and so forth that anybody can lose to anyone on any given day and that the dominance Fed has wrought over the entire tour over the past 4 years is nothing short of a once-in-a-lifetime achievement.

SUKTUEN
11-12-2007, 03:37 PM
Why are you screaming for a coach? He said he doesn't practice as hard as he used to (see the topic below). What coach is going to like this approach? Something is lost, he has to find it within himself. After that, he can hire a coach.

yes, I think this is his problem , not for a coach

Or Levy
11-12-2007, 03:40 PM
Expectedwinner - under trained? Did you see how fit he looked? He definitly looked like he lost weight, in the first set he looked as sharp as a whip. He lost focus, went on a mental walkabout in the TB combined (and it's important to note) with some really great play by Gonzo (Israel and our Davis cup team should thank our lucky stars we didn't get THAT Gonzo a month ago for Davis Cup) and gazillion chances he couldn't convert.

Fitness and training had nothing to do with this defeat, IMHO - a total mental walkabout, we've seen it in Wimby with his outburst (that was even more insane, unlike the ball at Wimby, this one was MILES out).

nobama
11-12-2007, 03:42 PM
I, along with many others I'm sure, have been thinking for a while that Roger needs a good kick up the arse to get himself motivated again and make him wake up and smell the coffee.

The rest of the tour is improving and he seems to be stagnating in the last 8 months or so. If he wants to be in the run for more GS titles he needs to get a coach. But I think it will get worse before it gets better and he realizes this and stops the self denial. He needs some more stinging losses like this one to light the fire under his arse.I hate seeing Roger lose, but maybe he needs some of these matches to really kick him up the backside. To get the hunger and motivation back.

mangoes
11-12-2007, 03:43 PM
Why are you screaming for a coach? He said he doesn't practice as hard as he used to (see the topic below). What coach is going to like this approach? Something is lost, he has to find it within himself. After that, he can hire a coach.

Sometimes, it can be as simple as needing a coach to talk with about all this stuff.....someone to give him a reality check.....someone with whom to discuss his game. Look, if Roger is tired of the pressure of holding on to no. 1, then it will be quite easy to let it go. But, if that were the case, he wouldn't get so pissed at himself. The other players are catching up to him. I think he needs a coach to help him fend off these new challenges. I think it's become too much pressure for him to try and do it on his own.....and in my opinion, it's the pressure that's affecting him. Winning is no longers a news maker for Roger, losing captures the headlines. That's a lot of pressure to deal with for one person.

rofe
11-12-2007, 03:45 PM
He seems to have lost a bit of his motivation - maybe he needs a mental break from match play. The pressure of getting to slam #15 seems to be getting to him and changing his game for the worse at a sub-conscious level. I thought he would sustain his focus for the TMC since he considers it on par with slams.

It would not be too bad if he is taken out of the TMC by either Andy or Davy. That shock should hopefully motivate him for the AO.

I still think he needs a sounding board in the form of a coach. These downs will happen more frequently and he needs somebody to keep him straight and not go into this "whiny" mode. He has won so much that he is unable to deal with these loses properly right now. I think a coach would really help with that.

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 03:45 PM
Expectedwinner - under trained? Did you see how fit he looked? He definitly looked like he lost weight, in the first set he looked as sharp as a whip. He lost focus, went on a mental walkabout in the TB combined (and it's important to note) with some really great play by Gonzo (Israel and our Davis cup team should thank our lucky stars we didn't get THAT Gonzo a month ago for Davis Cup) and gazillion chances he couldn't convert.

Fitness and training had nothing to do with this defeat, IMHO - a total mental walkabout, we've seen it in Wimby with his outburst (that was even more insane, unlike the ball at Wimby, this one was MILES out).

I fully agree with you, Or. His 'problems' (if that's how to call it) seem to be 80% mental to me. It looks like he's losing in the mental department more than ever lately. The complete 'Fed-in-Mirkaland'-demonstration in that second set TB, the failure at converting BP, his *again* very grumpy court-appearance, the :retard: challenges he made - all signs of him not having his head screwed on properly. It would be great if he could find someone to help him out with this, be it a coach, mental trainer, whatever.

Eden
11-12-2007, 03:46 PM
Was very surprised as I read the news on the teletext :eek: Judging the comments about the match Gonzalez got back in his form which he had during the AO.

Some statements from Roger after the match:


"It's tough because I thought I played pretty good," said the rueful Swiss.
"In some ways I have regrets and in some ways I don't, because I thought it was ridiculous the kind of shots he was coming up with.
"You have to give him credit for that. I hadn't been broken all the way through until the very end. He lost his serve but then he broke and held his serve, so that's that
"I can't do much when he drills that incredible forehand in the corner. I wish I had an excuse but I just lost the tiebreak in a bad way and never got the edge in the third set."

nobama
11-12-2007, 03:53 PM
I'm sorry but this under trained stuff is just bullshit. This had nothing to do with fitness or a lack of training. Had Roger put the match away in the second set no one would be talking about his fitness.

NYC is completely right. Roger was in control for most of this match and expected Gonzo to hand it over to him. I was nervous when Roger was holding serve so easily but not doing shit on Gonzo's serve. I had the feeling through most of that second set that Roger was just waiting for Gonzo to cough up the break.

Hopefully this loss pisses Roger off enough that he really comes out with a different attitude. Maybe now knowing he has to win his next two matches to advance he’ll be more focused and we won’t see these stupid mental walkabouts.

mangoes
11-12-2007, 03:56 PM
He seems to have lost a bit of his motivation - maybe he needs a mental break from match play. The pressure of getting to slam #15 seems to be getting to him and changing his game for the worse at a sub-conscious level. I thought he would sustain his focus for the TMC since he considers it on par with slams.

It would not be too bad if he is taken out of the TMC by either Andy or Davy. That shock should hopefully motivate him for the AO.

I still think he needs a sounding board in the form of a coach. These downs will happen more frequently and he needs somebody to keep him straight and not go into this "whiny" mode. He has won so much that he is unable to deal with these loses properly right now. I think a coach would really help with that.


I agree with you Rofe, but on one thing. I don't think he has lost the motivation. I think it's the pressure that's affecting him to the point that is appears like he has lost the motivation to keep winning. Like you said in the last paragraph, he needs a coach for all the reasons you listed. I think at this point, it a matter of him getting some help in putting the pressure in perspective and dealing with it.

nobama
11-12-2007, 03:56 PM
Was very surprised as I read the news on the teletext :eek: Judging the comments about the match Gonzalez got back in his form which he had during the AO.

Some statements from Roger after the match:
Good to see him giving Gonzo the proper credit, but the 3rd set should never have happened and that's really when Gonzo was in his AO form. I hope he doesn't use that to excuse away this loss.

Eden
11-12-2007, 03:57 PM
Rogers interview after the match:

http://www.atpmastersseries.tv/page/TournamentInterview/0,,11444,00.html

RogiFan88
11-12-2007, 03:59 PM
Well, Rogi had to lose a RR match at some point, and losing his first one after 6 yrs of playing TMC is incredible. Also, statistically, Fena was due to finally win over Rogi...

Let's see if we get this match this afternoon...

Poor Rogi, all these fantastic years, since 2002, have to take its toll on you. If he had to lose to someone in his group, I'm glad it's to Fena.

So Rogi has the pressure of having to win vs. both Pandy and Kolya. I hope Fena can beat at least one of them also.

GO, ROGI!!! You can still make the semis!!

Puschkin
11-12-2007, 04:01 PM
This is the third time he has lost this year when he has won more points overall.

This is what hurts me most. :sad:

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 04:02 PM
Expectedwinner - under trained? Did you see how fit he looked? He definitly looked like he lost weight, in the first set he looked as sharp as a whip. He lost focus, went on a mental walkabout in the TB combined (and it's important to note) with some really great play by Gonzo (Israel and our Davis cup team should thank our lucky stars we didn't get THAT Gonzo a month ago for Davis Cup) and gazillion chances he couldn't convert.

Fitness and training had nothing to do with this defeat, IMHO - a total mental walkabout, we've seen it in Wimby with his outburst (that was even more insane, unlike the ball at Wimby, this one was MILES out).

OK, training and fitness are cornerstones of strong mentality. Check out his interviews from 2004. There he explains why he started to believe in himself more.
You know my opinion about his fitness/weight this year. It has not changed. The man himself admitted reduced training. So, don't jump on me. Stay in denial.

nobama
11-12-2007, 04:04 PM
Sometimes, it can be as simple as needing a coach to talk with about all this stuff.....someone to give him a reality check.....someone with whom to discuss his game. Look, if Roger is tired of the pressure of holding on to no. 1, then it will be quite easy to let it go. But, if that were the case, he wouldn't get so pissed at himself. The other players are catching up to him. I think he needs a coach to help him fend off these new challenges. I think it's become too much pressure for him to try and do it on his own.....and in my opinion, it's the pressure that's affecting him. Winning is no longers a news maker for Roger, losing captures the headlines. That's a lot of pressure to deal with for one person.
I totally agree. He needs someone to help him deal with this part of his career. The pressure is huge. And the more losses he has like this the more guys will have the belief they can beat him.

I wish he wasn’t participating in these stupid exhos so he had more time to recharge his batteries and hopefully deal with his coaching situation. The last thing he needs is to end the year with a loss to Sampras – even if it is only an exhibition.

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 04:05 PM
I wish he wasn’t participating in these stupid exhos so he had more time to recharge his batteries and hopefully deal with his coaching situation. The last thing he needs is to end the year with a loss to Sampras – even if it is only an exhibition.

~sigh~ So true. :rolleyes:

SUKTUEN
11-12-2007, 04:12 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad:

Roger, hope you find your way.:hug: :hug: :hug:

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 04:17 PM
Sometimes, it can be as simple as needing a coach to talk with about all this stuff.....someone to give him a reality check.....someone with whom to discuss his game. Look, if Roger is tired of the pressure of holding on to no. 1, then it will be quite easy to let it go. But, if that were the case, he wouldn't get so pissed at himself. The other players are catching up to him. I think he needs a coach to help him fend off these new challenges. I think it's become too much pressure for him to try and do it on his own.....and in my opinion, it's the pressure that's affecting him. Winning is no longers a news maker for Roger, losing captures the headlines. That's a lot of pressure to deal with for one person.

I did not say that he doesn't need a coach. But at first, he he has to sort out some things himself. He can talk to a coach/a shrink until the cows come home, but it's up to him to start working harder, stay motivated and get rid of the fear of making headlines in case of a loss.

didadida
11-12-2007, 04:20 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad:

Roger, hope you find your way.:hug: :hug: :hug:

i dont feel sad for him
im angry with him

i hope he get himself together

t0x
11-12-2007, 04:21 PM
Gonzo was on fire....

Roger played well, not exactly amazingly, but he certainly didn't put out a crappy performance.

He defo needs a coach to help out his mental game right now, he should of won so many matches he lost this year.

SUKTUEN
11-12-2007, 04:22 PM
i dont feel sad for him
im angry with him

i hope he get himself together

I am angry too, almost the TB,:o but I hope he can improve himself in next match!:D

nobama
11-12-2007, 04:26 PM
I did not say that he doesn't need a coach. But at first, he he has to sort out some things himself. He can talk to a coach/a shrink until the cows come home, but it's up to him to start working harder, stay motivated and get rid of the fear of making headlines in case of a loss.I'm not sure what you mean by 'working harder'. Do you have some 1st hand knowledge of Roger's off court/training regimen? I agree he's got things to sort out (mostly in the head, IMO), but I don't think his work ethic is the problem. The match today had nothing to do with fitness, it was all in the head.

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 04:36 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by 'working harder'. Do you have some 1st hand knowledge of Roger's off court/training regimen? I agree he's got things to sort out (mostly in the head, IMO), but I don't think his work ethic is the problem. The match today had nothing to do with fitness, it was all in the head.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=112099

“I don’t practise as hard as I used to,” he said.

Marek.
11-12-2007, 04:37 PM
While his losses aren't as surprising now it definately wasn't expected. I can't give a valid opinion on the match since I haven't seen it yet but maybe part of it was due to him losing motivation. I know that's a popular excuse but I don't think it's farfetched that he's lost motivation outside of slams. I also believe that he's going to need to get a coach if he hopes to break the slam record.

didadida
11-12-2007, 04:43 PM
i dont think it is about fitness,he was moving very well
i think its a mental issue something is bothering him
his mind isnt clear,and now it seems that his is losing confindence very quickly
in the match he was hurry to finish the points and it cost him losing them,and also the bad decisions and bad timing

yanchr
11-12-2007, 04:49 PM
I, along with many others I'm sure, have been thinking for a while that Roger needs a good kick up the arse to get himself motivated again and make him wake up and smell the coffee.

The rest of the tour is improving and he seems to be stagnating in the last 8 months or so. If he wants to be in the run for more GS titles he needs to get a coach. But I think it will get worse before it gets better and he realizes this and stops the self denial. He needs some more stinging losses like this one to light the fire under his arse.
I'm not sure about hiring a new coach. I think it's more up to himself especially mentally than not having a coach. Other than that, I agree with every word here.

I don't have any complaint after the two Nalbandian losses, but this one is different. He was playing well actually, and his opponent has a 10 matches in a row losing record against him (though he did play superbly today), and he was in a controlling position of all, and he lost. There is sth wrong with him.

I too hope he can give himself time to think it over where he wants to go from here and how, instead of just sitting on his past achievements and so-called aura hoping his opponents will succumb. Otherwise, a quick fall from the top will follow, even for sb as great as him.

yanchr
11-12-2007, 04:55 PM
He said in the press to the effect that other people thought it was easier to beat him now but he didn't think so and that he would react with his actions, not only this week, but also next year.

Does that mean he still has motivation? Well Roger, I'm looking forward.

Or Levy
11-12-2007, 05:03 PM
Where are you getting the long presser quotes from? I mean, the part that was quotes on GM how he wasn't in the mood for jokes and looked like he was almost crying... I mean, I watched the Video interview on ATP TV on mute cause I'm at work, but I don't that's the press conference, in any event, he was smiling throughout.

rofe
11-12-2007, 05:05 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=112099

“I don’t practise as hard as I used to,” he said.

I think he meant post summer HC season. I would be surprised if he didn't train for the TMC though since he considers it a very important tournament.

Anyway, today's loss was not about physical fitness. He simply lost focus for some reason and Gonzo made sure that he couldn't recover from that.

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 05:06 PM
i think its a mental issue something is bothering him


I'm not going to deny that a brain is responsible for everything a human does. But well trained, physically strong athletes on the highest level are almost like machines; best shots and best decisions come to them automatically. They don't doubt themselves, they don't ask questions like- will I make a first serve? will I reach this ball? if i don't break here, will I be able to last 1 hour more?, etc.

yanchr
11-12-2007, 05:07 PM
Where are you getting the long presser quotes from? I mean, the part that was quotes on GM how he wasn't in the mood for jokes and looked like he was almost crying... I mean, I watched the Video interview on ATP TV on mute cause I'm at work, but I don't that's the press conference, in any event, he was smiling throughout.
Sb at the press told me about this (the above quote) and also said it's surely exaggeration to say that he was almost crying. Actually he was very ok, smiling and talking like usual.

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 05:16 PM
The last thing he needs is to end the year with a loss to Sampras – even if it is only an exhibition.

Like Sampras would agree to lose all 3(?) exhibitions. Most probably, there's a scenario for this show.
Anyway, unless Fed gets injured in the process, these exhibitions are the last thing we should worry about.

rofe
11-12-2007, 05:35 PM
Not to stop the doom and gloom parade, ;) but he still has a very good chance of making the SF here. I think he will tighten his game against Andy as he always does and Davy right now is simply spinning serves in so Fed has many chances to break him.

Greenday
11-12-2007, 05:37 PM
Nowadays, Roger is Playing "Not to lose...... than to Win".......i thought of this after i saw him play nadal in wimbledon final...and djoke in USO final....he is turning in to defensive mode expecting the other guy to hand it over to him....he is playing very passively....he shouldn't have lost this match.....One thing is sure, he is afraid of making news for losing a match...I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to duck...Roger needs to come out and think where he is and wat he is doing ............

nobama
11-12-2007, 05:39 PM
Like Sampras would agree to lose all 3(?) exhibitions. Most probably, there's a scenario for this show.
Anyway, unless Fed gets injured in the process, these exhibitions are the last thing we should worry about.
I know these things are rigged, but that's not how it will be reported. Anyway I really wish he wasn't involved because I think it's silly and the off season is short enough the way it is.

nobama
11-12-2007, 05:43 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=112099

“I don’t practise as hard as I used to,” he said.That's one quote out of context....

mangoes
11-12-2007, 05:44 PM
I did not say that he doesn't need a coach. But at first, he he has to sort out some things himself. He can talk to a coach/a shrink until the cows come home, but it's up to him to start working harder, stay motivated and get rid of the fear of making headlines in case of a loss.

What does he need to sort out for himself? Whether or not he wants to keep winning? Whether or not he wants to remain no. 1? What?

There are very, very few people in this world that can be as self-sufficient as you are thinking Roger should be. At some point, most people need some extra support. I think Roger is at that point. When the pressure becomes too much for a person, one of the side effects is a decrease in work ethic. But, of course, I don't know what is Roger's present work ethic.

I don't think Roger needs a shrink. As I said, he needs a coach for the many reasons I stated already. He needs someone in his corner, that he can trust, to give him feedback.

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 05:45 PM
Not to stop the doom and gloom parade, ;) but he still has a very good chance of making the SF here. I think he will tighten his game against Andy as he always does and Davy right now is simply spinning serves in so Fed has many chances to break him.

If there are 3 players with 2-1 record, then things get complicated. I don't remember the rules. What would they be looking for?

nobama
11-12-2007, 05:46 PM
He said in the press to the effect that other people thought it was easier to beat him now but he didn't think so and that he would react with his actions, not only this week, but also next year.

Does that mean he still has motivation? Well Roger, I'm looking forward.
I hope he means that and we see it in the Davydenko and Roddick matches. I certainly don't believe he doesn't care about TMC. And now he knows that passive shit isn't going to get the job done here.

mangoes
11-12-2007, 05:49 PM
Not to stop the doom and gloom parade, ;) but he still has a very good chance of making the SF here. I think he will tighten his game against Andy as he always does and Davy right now is simply spinning serves in so Fed has many chances to break him.

I agree this loss doesn't mean he won't make it to the SF. But, this loss does give cause for some scratching of the head. Furthermore, there's also a chance Gonzo will not make it to the SF.

wackykid
11-12-2007, 05:50 PM
I too hope he can give himself time to think it over where he wants to go from here and how, instead of just sitting on his past achievements and so-called aura hoping his opponents will succumb. Otherwise, a quick fall from the top will follow, even for sb as great as him.

i agree... i don't think there is any more aura left in federer now... unlike in 2004-2005 time. i believe given his number of surprising losses... and the number of scrappy wins... his opponents now believes that you don't have to play out-of-the-world tennis to defeat federer now. and the more federer loses... the more his weaknesses are exposed to the rest of the field. watching federer's losses would be great lessons (psychologically and technically) for anyone wishing to defeat him. opponents now will not simply crumble from nerves at crucial points easily. it might not even been enough to dominate even if the same federer in 2004-2005 plays now... as i believe the overall standard of tennis has improved... and i think federer has contributed significantly to the standard of play...


regards,
wacky

mangoes
11-12-2007, 05:50 PM
If there are 3 players with 2-1 record, then things get complicated. I don't remember the rules. What would they be looking for?

Number of sets won...I think:D

rofe
11-12-2007, 06:01 PM
Number of sets won...I think:D

I think that is right.

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 06:01 PM
When the pressure becomes too much for a person, one of the side effects is a decrease in work ethic.

:confused: Some people start working very hard when their back is against the wall. I know them personally.:angel:

He needs a coach for tennistic (does this word exist?) reasons. All mental/motivational problems he has to resolve himself.

mangoes
11-12-2007, 06:09 PM
:confused: Some people start working very hard when their back is against the wall. I know them personally.:angel:

He needs a coach for tennistic (does this word exist?) reasons. All mental/motivational problems he has to resolve himself.

Yes, I know them personally too......but, most of those people needed to express their doubts and fears to someone, then come up with a game plan to tackle the obstacles...........and it was an extra bonus, for those people, knowing someone was in their corner to give feedback.

But, I stick with my statement, one of the side effects of pressure and fear is a decrease in work ethic. I do not know if that applies to Roger because we don't know his work ethic. But, he is looking rather fit.

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 06:14 PM
i agree... i don't think there is any more aura left in federer now... unlike in 2004-2005 time.

Where did this aura come from in 2004? Fed has been on tour since 1998. He was beaten regularly by everyone. And then , all of a sudden, he developes some aura. :confused:

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 06:21 PM
That's one quote out of context....

OK. Where's the real interview?

oneandonlyhsn
11-12-2007, 06:24 PM
Bleh at this loss, I am more angry with Feds play. Hope this light that fire in his loins, this passive play is really starting to piss me off :fiery:

mangoes
11-12-2007, 06:30 PM
Look at the headline on Yahoo front page:

Federer loses back-to-back matches for first time in 4 1/2 years

This is what made news...

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 06:31 PM
Yes, I know them personally too......but, most of those people needed to express their doubts and fears to someone

Typical female point of view. ;)

mangoes
11-12-2007, 06:36 PM
Typical female point of view. ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol:Yea........because men are so much stronger, emotionally, than women:rolleyes: Men may put forth a macho demeanor, but they are emotionally more fragile than women:p

ExpectedWinner
11-12-2007, 06:59 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:Yea........because men are so much stronger, emotionally, than women:rolleyes: Men may put forth a macho demeanor, but they are emotionally more fragile than women:p

Now, we are heading into OT. I played hockey on a very serious junior level in Saint Leninburg/Petersburg. We shared ice with figure skaters (at different times, of course). Guess what's the biggest challenge for world class figure skating coaches. It's creating a female figure skating champion in singles. There are 2 reasons for this: 1. puberty body changings ruin their jumping technique. 2. extreme emotional fragility and moodiness.

Blondie1985
11-12-2007, 07:02 PM
I'm so uspset!!

I hope he beats roddick and davy!!!!!!!

mangoes
11-12-2007, 07:06 PM
Now, we are heading into OT. I played hockey on a very serious junior level in Saint Leninburg/Petersburg. We shared ice with figure skaters (at different times, of course). Guess what's the biggest challenge for world class figure skating coaches. It's creating a female figure skating champion in singles. There are 2 reasons for this: 1. puberty body changings ruin their jumping technique. 2. extreme emotional fragility and moodiness.

Yep, this is OT. I'll be back to answer you, got to go to a meeting...

Marek.
11-12-2007, 07:26 PM
Okay, so I'm watching this match right now and Fed didn't let Gonzo back in the match. Gonzo just played an incredible tie-break that Fed had no chance in. I'm still in the middle of the third but so far Gonzo has saved all of the break points with gutsy shots so one again, just :hatoff: to him.

rofe
11-12-2007, 07:48 PM
Okay, so I'm watching this match right now and Fed didn't let Gonzo back in the match. Gonzo just played an incredible tie-break that Fed had no chance in. I'm still in the middle of the third but so far Gonzo has saved all of the break points with gutsy shots so one again, just :hatoff: to him.

I haven't seen the match myself but I saw someone's post that Fed was coming a lot more in the 1st set with good success and inexplicably resorted to trading ground strokes from the baseline in the 2nd and 3rd. Maybe you can confirm whether this was true or not.

Marek.
11-12-2007, 07:53 PM
There was one BP in the third where Fed came in on a pretty good approach yet Gonzo hit an extrodinary passing shot. Fed hasn't really had the chance to come in because Gonzo has been hitting the ball well off of both sides.

Sunset of Age
11-12-2007, 08:00 PM
^^ Both of you are in fact right - Fed did come towards the net in the first set a lot more (and it worked for one set indeed), but got a lot of extraordinairy passing shots fired pass him thereafter, reason why I think he didn't try to come to the net more often later on in the match.

Gonzo raised his level of play a lot during the match. As for that TB, this too, was a combination of factors - Gonzo serving balls from Hell, as well as Fed being in Mirkaland-mode.

nobama
11-12-2007, 08:10 PM
Okay, so I'm watching this match right now and Fed didn't let Gonzo back in the match. Gonzo just played an incredible tie-break that Fed had no chance in. I'm still in the middle of the third but so far Gonzo has saved all of the break points with gutsy shots so one again, just :hatoff: to him.
He did play fantastic in the middle to the end of the 3rd set. At that point there really wasn't anything Roger could do. But early in the 3rd set Roger did have Gozno down 0-40 and couldn't convert.

All I can hope for is Gonzo continues this form against Roddick. But somehow I have a feeling it will be a straight sets routine win for Roddick. :ras:

nobama
11-12-2007, 08:11 PM
Gonzo raised his level of play a lot during the match. As for that TB, this too, was a combination of factors - Gonzo serving balls from Hell, as well as Fed being in Mirkaland-mode.
Boo to mirkaland mode.