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Murray vs. Gasquet, who wins?

scarecrows
11-01-2007, 06:05 PM
probably a ticket to Shanghai for the winner of this match

2nd match between them, Gasquet won their first meeting in Toronto last year

Deathless Mortal
11-01-2007, 06:08 PM
Murray

bokehlicious
11-01-2007, 06:08 PM
Hopefully Murray

superhoops
11-01-2007, 06:09 PM
Murray in 3 but i think the winner of this will still not go to Shanghai because of robredo's piss poor draw. COME ON BAGGY!

scarecrows
11-01-2007, 06:09 PM
Murray 2-1 for me

ChrisDoesDallas
11-01-2007, 06:09 PM
Gasquet played amazing in the Toronto SF last year. Nothing much Murray could do that day, but Murray can expose Gasquet's slight movement issues--he's not really the best defender.

Buuut, while I'm rooting for Gasquet, I won't mind if Murray wins. Should be a really great match.

Allez Richie in straights.

Pfloyd
11-01-2007, 06:09 PM
Both have loads of talent, but Gasquet edges out in this are by just a bit.

Problem is, Gasquet is more inconsitent than Murray.

Either way, it'll be interesting.

rocketassist
11-01-2007, 06:10 PM
Gasgay in 3 but hopefully Andy. Either player would be great in Shanghai.

richie21
11-01-2007, 06:11 PM
Hopefully it will be a great match.:)
There are by far my two favourites youngsters :)

Deivid23
11-01-2007, 06:13 PM
I think and hope Murray

Pimmchanok
11-01-2007, 06:14 PM
I really dont know, who would win, they're both playing really well. As patriotic as I want to be, I probably still root for Richie :p it's going to be interesting to watch though

Rogieva
11-01-2007, 06:16 PM
I don't mind, but I'd prefer Richard to get it.

dylan24
11-01-2007, 06:16 PM
cmon murray fuck up frenchie

R.Federer
11-01-2007, 06:22 PM
I hope it's a nailbiting three setter tb in the end

guy in sf
11-01-2007, 06:24 PM
Richie did beat Andy in their last meeting very easily but I think Andy is a better player now and I can see Gasquet tightening up in front of the home crowd but I will be hoping for his victory. Btw, how did Murray get the name Muzzo? I'm usually very behind on these nicknames you guys come up with.

LisaKoh
11-01-2007, 06:24 PM
Gasquet. It won't even be close. Anything Murray can do, Gasquet can do better.

mangoes
11-01-2007, 06:27 PM
Hopefully Gasquet. I'd like to see him go to Shanghai.

Manue
11-01-2007, 06:27 PM
Allez Richard ! Beat Murray and take your ticket for Shanghai :devil:

Shrinking Violet
11-01-2007, 06:27 PM
I think Gasquet will win in 3, but I'm hoping that Andy will win. Richie was amazing today, but Andy is really, really focused on this and should put up a great fight.

I'm not going to be overly gutted regardless, as long as the winner goes to Shanghai. But still, come on Andy.

LilyRoseAva
11-01-2007, 06:28 PM
Gasquet in 2 .

adee-gee
11-01-2007, 06:31 PM
Hopefully they put this as night match, that way Baggy can beat Boredo and put everything on the line for this match.

Gasquet humped him last time they played, Muzza has improved at a quicker rate than Gasquet since then though, plus is full of confidence and has nothing to lose. I fancy Muzza in 3, Gasquet will choke like a true Frenchie :D

Voo de Mar
11-01-2007, 06:33 PM
I don't care who wins this match because I like Murray and Gasquet more than Robredo. If Boredo will lose to Baggy, one of these youngsters plays in Shanghai :wavey:

Pimmchanok
11-01-2007, 06:35 PM
Sky sports is evil, trying to make me feel guilty for rooting for Gasquet

scoobs
11-01-2007, 06:35 PM
Murray in 3 - I hope Murray wins anyway.

But may the best man win - it's a great matchup and there's a lot at stake so it's gonna be fun.

RagingLamb
11-01-2007, 06:36 PM
have no idea, but it will be a very nice match if they both play near their abilities.

richie21
11-01-2007, 06:38 PM
I don't care who wins this match because I like Murray and Gasquet more than Robredo. If Boredo will lose to Baggy, one of these youngsters plays in Shanghai :wavey:

what a surprise!:p
Anyway,despite being a Gasquet's fan,i wouldn't mind if Murray won and then made the Masters Cup...i really like his game :)

bigbhoy
11-01-2007, 06:46 PM
Don't even want to predict who will win!

If Murray comes out & loses his way for a few games, especially if he's having problems with the 1st serve. Then he's liable to be beaten easily.

If he comes out & plays anywhere near his best, he'll take it in 2.

I think Muzza will take it in straights. 6-4, 6-3 but I wouldn't be willing to place a bet on it seeing as he's cost me dearly before when he blows it. Best thing to do is see how he plays on the day. As long as he doesn't go walkabout at anytime during the match & keeps his head at all times, then he'll be in the semis & hopefully on his way to Shanghai!

If Robredo or Haas get to the semis, then Murray or Gasquet will need to go one better & take out Federer to reach the final. Which will be a hard thing for either of them to do. At this point Boredo & Haas have to be favourites to clinch at least one of the 2 remaining spots.

Merton
11-01-2007, 06:47 PM
Murray in 3.

rob88hock
11-01-2007, 06:50 PM
murray in 2! down with the frog!

scoobs
11-01-2007, 08:04 PM
Hopefully they put this as night match, that way Baggy can beat Boredo and put everything on the line for this match.

Gasquet humped him last time they played, Muzza has improved at a quicker rate than Gasquet since then though, plus is full of confidence and has nothing to lose. I fancy Muzza in 3, Gasquet will choke like a true Frenchie :D

This is the night match, and the last QF.

It will all be on the line.

NinaNina19
11-01-2007, 08:10 PM
Murray.

Andi-M
11-01-2007, 08:12 PM
Mugdhatis had better stop being a mug and beat Boredo!!

I think that will spur Andy on no end and I think it will make Richie tight.

I think it can go either way honestly so many variables in this particular encounter, but I have a feeling Muzza will teach Richie a lesson in front of his home fans...

Murray 6/3 6/2 :D

yeh yeh
11-01-2007, 08:41 PM
come on murray son, will be tight depends as gasguet is a talent but we will see. that game in toronto murray was at a point when he mastered his defensive game but now he has upped his offensive aggresive game so it will be diff. gasguet was on a roll that week dont think hes playin to that standard now but murray was way to passive before now he will do the BIZZO

richie21
11-01-2007, 08:58 PM
come on murray son, will be tight depends as gasguet is a talent but we will see. that game in toronto murray was at a point when he mastered his defensive game but now he has upped his offensive aggresive game so it will be diff. gasguet was on a roll that week dont think hes playin to that standard now but murray was way to passive before now he will do the BIZZO


Against Blake today,i thought Gasquet played better than in any of the matches he played at Toronto last year.

Puschkin
11-01-2007, 09:09 PM
Against Blake today,i thought Gasquet played better than in any of the matches he played at Toronto last year.

I totally agree. Richard was rocksolid in Toronto, but not on fire. Today he was, at least for a long enough streak. And as a Gasquetaire I have to predict him as the winner. :D

tennisgal_001
11-01-2007, 09:18 PM
I think Murray will win it in 3, he seems to have found a way to deal with the Shanghai pressure, I'm not sure Gasquet has reached that point yet, add to that Richie is playing in front of his home crowd, he might get a bit tight and Murray will take advantage of that, but it should be one great match.

Metis
11-01-2007, 09:22 PM
Murray in 3 I think.

In any case either of those 2 would be a welcome addition to the TMC field, if Marcos does his job well...

Puschkin
11-01-2007, 09:23 PM
I'm not sure Gasquet has reached that point yet, add to that Richie is playing in front of his home crowd, he might get a bit tight.
He was in the same situation today. :shrug:

Tommy fan
11-01-2007, 09:29 PM
Hopefully Gasquet!!!

Alonsofz
11-01-2007, 09:34 PM
I'd say Murray 5-7 6-3 6-2

no name face
11-01-2007, 09:46 PM
I hope and think Murray in two close sets.

trixtah
11-01-2007, 10:17 PM
With Roger out let's hope Andy can secure a spot in Shanghai :)

rocketassist
11-01-2007, 10:18 PM
Yep, Federer's dismissal increases the chances for both players.

Duncan
11-01-2007, 10:45 PM
Murray in straight sets. He is finding a way to cope with each players strengths and will be as good as ever tomorrow night.

LisaKoh
11-02-2007, 12:05 AM
I'm confused: why has the majority picked the guy who hasn't made an MS final, an SF of a grandslam, is playing on his opponent's homecourt and has a losing record against the other guy? Don't buy into the hype boys. Barring anything catastrophic, this is Gasquet's match to lose.

danton
11-02-2007, 12:17 AM
I'm confused: why has the majority picked the guy who hasn't made an MS final, an SF of a grandslam, is playing on his opponent's homecourt and has a losing record against the other guy? Don't buy into the hype boys. Barring anything catastrophic, this is Gasquet's match to lose.

A few things people have taken into account when picking Murray


People have stopped believing the hype about Gasquet hence picking Murray
Gasquet can be a complete mental midget and rarely strings two very good performances together
THe book makers don't agree with you Murray is the fave to win
Murray is ranked higher than Gasquet even after taking three months off and playing rubbish for the best part of two months following his return to the tour


I think this is why many including bookies are picking Murray

richie21
11-02-2007, 12:19 AM
A few things people have taken into account when picking Murray


People have stopped believing the hype about Gasquet hence picking Murray
Gasquet can be a complete mental midget and rarely strings two very good performances together
THe book makers don't agree with you Murray is the fave to win
Murray is ranked higher than Gasquet even after taking three months off and playing rubbish for the best part of two months following his return to the tour


I think this is why many including bookies are picking Murray

Oh and Murray can't obviously....:rolleyes:

scarecrows
11-02-2007, 12:20 AM
I'm confused: why has the majority picked the guy who hasn't made an MS final, an SF of a grandslam, is playing on his opponent's homecourt and has a losing record against the other guy? Don't buy into the hype boys. Barring anything catastrophic, this is Gasquet's match to lose.

Murray is in better form and hasnt suffered from (minor) injuries last week

MariaV
11-02-2007, 12:20 AM
A few things people have taken into account when picking Murray


People have stopped believing the hype about Gasquet hence picking Murray
Gasquet can be a complete mental midget and rarely strings two very good performances together
THe book makers don't agree with you Murray is the fave to win
Murray is ranked higher than Gasquet even after taking three months off and playing rubbish for the best part of two months following his return to the tour


I think this is why many including bookies are picking Murray

Plus Murray's on a HOT streak.
With Richard you never know. :o

danton
11-02-2007, 12:21 AM
Oh and Murray can't obviously....:rolleyes:

Obviously Murray can but which is most likely tomorrow.... Gasquet finds the pressure hard to handle, that doens't mean he's rubbish just means there is chink in his armour.

richie21
11-02-2007, 12:23 AM
Plus Murray's on a HOT streak.
With Richard you never know. :o

Richard was on a HOT streak too two weeks ago.....but then he got a bit injured :o

LisaKoh
11-02-2007, 12:28 AM
A few things people have taken into account when picking Murray


People have stopped believing the hype about Gasquet hence picking Murray
Gasquet can be a complete mental midget and rarely strings two very good performances together
THe book makers don't agree with you Murray is the fave to win
Murray is ranked higher than Gasquet even after taking three months off and playing rubbish for the best part of two months following his return to the tour

I think this is why many including bookies are picking Murray

1. Roddick was also the bookie's fave to win the Wimbledon 03 SF with Federer and we all know how that turned out. Bookies just go with the betting patterns of the masses.

2. Federer outranks Nadal, Blake outranks Gasquet and still the H2H favors the lower-ranked player.

As I said before, on a pure skill basis there's nothing that Murray can do that Gasquet can't do better.

richie21
11-02-2007, 01:18 AM
As I said before, on a pure skill basis there's nothing that Murray can do that Gasquet can't do better.


Yes,the forehand(even though that's Murray's weakness) :o

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 01:22 AM
This is the night match, and the last QF.

It will all be on the line.
Marvellous, let's do this Muzza :sport: (and Baggy).

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 01:23 AM
Yes,the forehand(even though that's Murray's weakness) :o
Murray returns far better than Gasquet. Also, despite his low %, his 1st serve is more effective than Gasquet's.

richie21
11-02-2007, 01:25 AM
This is the night match, and the last QF.

It will all be on the line.


That's great.
I can easily imagine the atmosphere and the tension in this match if before, Marcos beat Robredo (which would mean that the winner of Gasquet-Murray will make the Master Cup)

richie21
11-02-2007, 01:26 AM
Murray returns far better than Gasquet. Also, despite his low %, his 1st serve is more effective than Gasquet's.

not far better.
Gasquet's return of serve has definitely improved(see some of the returns he produced today)

Marek.
11-02-2007, 01:27 AM
I hope Gasquet will win this but I doubt he will.

Murray in three.

scoobs
11-02-2007, 01:27 AM
Gasquet was apparently on the verge of pulling of this event prior to tuesday so it's been quite surprising he's even won 2 matches, never mind likely to win 3. Obviously the injury problem wasn't as bad as was given out, and clearly Gasquet has a good chance to win this also, but given the form and prep coming into this, I can see why some favour Murray. Although as I type is 92 votes cast, 46 votes each so....

scoobs
11-02-2007, 01:28 AM
That's great.
I can easily imagine the atmosphere and the tension in this match if before, Marcos beat Robredo (which would mean that the winner of Gasquet-Murray will make the Master Cup)
Either way, tennis will win :yeah:

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 01:29 AM
not far better.
Gasquet's return of serve has definitely improved(see some of the returns he produced today)
Gasquet's returning is decent, but Murray is arguably the best returner in the world at the moment, perhaps Nalbandian is slightly ahead I guess.

danton
11-02-2007, 01:30 AM
That's great.
I can easily imagine the atmosphere and the tension in this match if before, Marcos beat Robredo (which would mean that the winner of Gasquet-Murray will make the Master Cup)


Fingers crossed - c'mon Baggy

Lets face it both are talented and the same arguments can be applied to both. The key question is which Murray and which Gasquet come out on court - and that is totally up in the air - who knows.

I am hoping for Baggy to knock out Robredo (nothing personal to Robredo but I kind of have an anyone but him attitude at the mo) and then Andy easily beats Gasquet so he has the energy to deal with Nalby or that Terrier Ferrer.

stebs
11-02-2007, 01:30 AM
not far better.
Gasquet's return of serve has definitely improved(see some of the returns he produced today)

Taking into account both first and second serve returns Murray, behind Ferrer, is probably the second best returner in the world. Gasquet wouldn't be top 10.

stebs
11-02-2007, 01:31 AM
Gasquet's returning is decent, but Murray is arguably the best returner in the world at the moment, perhaps Nalbandian is slightly ahead I guess.

Ferrer by a fair distance I'd say.

World Beater
11-02-2007, 01:36 AM
gasquet gave murray a lot of trouble.

this will be an interesting match.

LisaKoh
11-02-2007, 01:41 AM
Gasquet returns Murray's serve better than Murray returns his, considering that Gasquet broke him four times during their last match and Murray only managed to break Richard once. Also, Gasquet out-aced Murray 5 to 1 during their last match.

Total Return points won in Toronto: Gasquet 45% Murray 32%
1st serve return points won: Gasquet 53% Murray 17%

Murray is good at returning but he's got some dismal serve stats.

scoobs
11-02-2007, 01:43 AM
Gasquet returns Murray's serve better than Murray returns his, considering that Gasquet broke him four times during their last match and Murray only managed to break Richard once. Also, Gasquet out-aced Murray 5 to 1 during their last match.

Total Return points won in Toronto: Gasquet 45% Murray 32%
1st serve return points won: Gasquet 53% Murray 17%

Murray is good at returning but he's got some dismal serve stats.
At their young age, results 18 months ago are a LONG time ago. The picture has changed a lot since then. I wouldn't set too much store in that.

I don't disagree, I just don't think it will necessarily play out similarly.

Henry Chinaski
11-02-2007, 01:45 AM
murray seems to have mental issues against the other young guns or whatever you'd call them. the hyped guys in his age bracket.

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 01:47 AM
Ferrer by a fair distance I'd say.
Really? I'm a tad surprised, I'd have him around #4 or #5 ;)

LisaKoh
11-02-2007, 01:49 AM
Taking into account both first and second serve returns Murray, behind Ferrer, is probably the second best returner in the world. Gasquet wouldn't be top 10.

Gasquet is top 10 in two out of four returning categories, top 11 in three of them. http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

This will be an interesting match, both players are probably the most overhyped on the tour.

yeh yeh
11-02-2007, 01:51 AM
gasquet gave murray a lot of trouble.

this will be an interesting match.

will be but i just like murrays mental attitude of late i think those wins in st petes against youz and tur have made andy feel he has the mental side of it and thats key djoko had that when he beat andy so easily and i feel that this murray will figue out a way to beat gasguet. murray will wi this title have a fellin beatin nadal in the final and finally establishin himself as the top player out of the youngsters and not a pretender anymore

LisaKoh
11-02-2007, 01:52 AM
At their young age, results 18 months ago are a LONG time ago. The picture has changed a lot since then. I wouldn't set too much store in that.

I don't disagree, I just don't think it will necessarily play out similarly.

You're right, Gasquet has since made a Wimbledon SF and Djokovic has surpassed both of them with little fanfare. ;)

ryan23
11-02-2007, 01:52 AM
Gasquet will win IMO

yeh yeh
11-02-2007, 01:56 AM
this murray in the last few weeks has come of age and i just have this feelin he will show that tomorrow, i was dissapointed after the madrid nadal amtch as i thought he would never make it but i just know when its required now he will do the bizz- and on another thing has anyone else thought that the paris surface is a dead surface does not do nothing slow, boring lots of rallies madrid for me was a quality surface to watch tennis on high bounce fast

yeh yeh
11-02-2007, 02:00 AM
You're right, Gasquet has since made a Wimbledon SF and Djokovic has surpassed both of them with little fanfare. ;)

yeh you know gasguet has been around for ages and done nothing to speak off apart from fed win and that was when he wasnt peakin and semi at wimbledon
djoker is good but murray would of been ther if he dindt get injured, u tellin me murray with wimbledon queens, montreal cinncinatti and us open(proper) would not be up with the top 4 he is obivuosly better than roddick and davy who are 4/5 trus me mate gasguet is a loser and that will be the case tomoz. mugs like u just cant see it

guy in sf
11-02-2007, 02:09 AM
yeh you know gasguet has been around for ages and done nothing to speak off apart from fed win and that was when he wasnt peakin and semi at wimbledon
djoker is good but murray would of been ther if he dindt get injured, u tellin me murray with wimbledon queens, montreal cinncinatti and us open(proper) would not be up with the top 4 he is obivuosly better than roddick and davy who are 4/5 trus me mate gasguet is a loser and that will be the case tomoz. mugs like u just cant see it

Murray lost to this "loser" last year very badly just so you know, does that make Murray a bigger loser? What is up with people calling players very bad names just so they can present their case when their favorite player is up against them? Both of these guys have beaten Fed once and have about 4-5 titles under their belt, their complishments are basically equal at this point, it's not like one of them is sooooo far ahead than the other, they're ranked neck and neck right now, practically the same age. Why don't you speak with some sense and facts instead of resorting to this name calling and bullying tactic.

guy in sf
11-02-2007, 02:24 AM
I don't see the match being easy for either player. Murray was never a favorite of mine in the past because he played a very defensive game that's on the boring side. However, watching him lately I notice that he has put more punch in his shots and has become a more aggressive player overall. If he continues this style, I will like him more. I still think Gasquet has more talent and flare on the court overall but mentally Gasquet is much more vulnerable and unpredictable than Murray and Murray is more consistent. If Gasquet loses it would be because he folded at the pressure in front of his home crowd, not because Murray outplayed him.

trixtah
11-02-2007, 02:27 AM
Murray lost to this "loser" last year very badly just so you know, does that make Murray a bigger loser? What is up with people calling players very bad names just so they can present their case when their favorite player is up against them? Both of these guys have beaten Fed once and have about 4-5 titles under their belt, their complishments are basically equal at this point, it's not like one of them is sooooo far ahead than the other, they're ranked neck and neck right now, practically the same age. Why don't you speak with some sense and facts instead of resorting to this name calling and bullying tactic.

:clap2:

Bad Religion
11-02-2007, 02:33 AM
Murray , the mug killer

yeh yeh
11-02-2007, 02:44 AM
I don't see the match being easy for either player. Murray was never a favorite of mine in the past because he played a very defensive game that's on the boring side. However, watching him lately I notice that he has put more punch in his shots and has become a more aggressive player overall. If he continues this style, I will like him more. I still think Gasquet has more talent and flare on the court overall but mentally Gasquet is much more vulnerable and unpredictable than Murray and Murray is more consistent. If Gasquet loses it would be because he folded at the pressure in front of his home crowd, not because Murray outplayed him.

COming from a yank, alrite mate wateva u say ,, yanky doodle can actually spell, IDIAT

LisaKoh
11-02-2007, 02:51 AM
yeh you know gasguet has been around for ages and done nothing to speak off apart from fed win and that was when he wasnt peakin and semi at wimbledon
djoker is good but murray would of been ther if he dindt get injured, u tellin me murray with wimbledon queens, montreal cinncinatti and us open(proper) would not be up with the top 4 he is obivuosly better than roddick and davy who are 4/5 trus me mate gasguet is a loser and that will be the case tomoz. mugs like u just cant see it

What is this alternate reality you speak of where Murray is #4 or #5 in the world? Right now Gasquet and Murray are about equal, with Gasquet being a little more accomplished than Andy. As I said, they're both overhyped players coming from nations clamoring from GS success.

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-02-2007, 11:36 AM
Come on Murray destroy the queen of pansies.

juvvi
11-02-2007, 12:24 PM
Come on Murray destroy the queen of pansies.

I guess you should be more worried about how Colonel's gonna wipe the court with Nadal's ass.

FrenchY52
11-02-2007, 12:28 PM
Richard hopefully.

Il Primo Uomo
11-02-2007, 12:33 PM
Murray hopefully. Gasgay is annoying in so many ways.

silverwhite
11-02-2007, 12:39 PM
Richard was on a HOT streak too two weeks ago.....but then he got a bit injured :o

This side of richie21 is back :silly:

Expect him to revert back to the other extreme and trash Gasquet's FH when he loses tonight. :cool:

Turquoise
11-02-2007, 12:39 PM
Good luck Murray!

silverwhite
11-02-2007, 12:43 PM
Murray hopefully. Gasgay is annoying in so many ways.

http://www.outsourcing-journal.com/common/graphics/articles/1177/1179.jpg

Il Primo Uomo
11-02-2007, 12:48 PM
http://www.outsourcing-journal.com/common/graphics/articles/1177/1179.jpg

So what? Being annoyed by Gas is a crime? I live in the country of the freedom sweetie, don't you know that?
I find his game and his personality boring as hell. Be sure I'm not the only one.

silverwhite
11-02-2007, 12:59 PM
So what? Being annoyed by Gas is a crime? I live in the country of the freedom sweetie, don't you know that?
I find his game and his personality boring as hell. Be sure I'm not the only one.

At least try to come up with more creative insults. :D

zcess81
11-02-2007, 01:05 PM
Gasquet. It won't even be close. Anything Murray can do, Gasquet can do better.

That's beside the point. The real issue is who can do better under pressure, and Gasquet doesn't impress in that department. Sure he's more talented than Murray, much more if you ask me, but he has mental lapses during matches and that can be crucial in the outcome of this match. I slightly favor Murray, but make no mistake, he too isn't the most mentally stable player out there. That's why I said SLIGHTLY. Should be a good match though.

Il Primo Uomo
11-02-2007, 01:07 PM
At least try to come up with more creative insults. :D

Insults? Being gay is not an insult. And everyone knows he has an affair with A.Lagardere so no creativity needed. You know I like you but stop seeking bad things from me which don't exist.

chjossic
11-02-2007, 01:08 PM
Come on Richard !!
Qualifying for the Masters would be brilliant and would validate his first Grand Slam semi-final breakthrough at Wimby 2007.
There is no question Murray is extremely talented but I feel Gasquet deserves it most based on 2007..

silverwhite
11-02-2007, 01:36 PM
Insults? Being gay is not an insult. And everyone knows he has an affair with A.Lagardere so no creativity needed. You know I like you but stop seeking bad things from me which don't exist.

Don't exist? You want to ask the Momo fans on WTAWorld? :angel:

Corey Feldman
11-02-2007, 01:44 PM
Cmon Muzza

dont freeze tonight against this show pony

ryan23
11-02-2007, 02:17 PM
COming from a yank, alrite mate wateva u say ,, yanky doodle can actually spell, IDIAT

No need to take the piss idiot

vincayou
11-02-2007, 03:17 PM
Insults? Being gay is not an insult. And everyone knows he has an affair with A.Lagardere so no creativity needed. You know I like you but stop seeking bad things from me which don't exist.

Funny guy, you come with names and have no bollocks to back it up. Would you call him Gasgay if you liked him? You will have a hard time to make anyone believe this. :lol:

The main problem of gasgay is that it't not really funny the 21233 time.

Corey Feldman
11-02-2007, 03:39 PM
Wow, i never knew Richie.

scoobs
11-02-2007, 03:41 PM
So Robredo is out and this match takes on vital importance for the race as the winner has a strong likelihood of taking the final Shanghai slot.

stebs
11-02-2007, 03:42 PM
Even more improtance now that Robredo is gone.

Labamba
11-02-2007, 04:03 PM
huge match this one, should be good to watch :)

I'm hoping Murray is able to win, I consider him as a bigger threat in Shanghai

Il Primo Uomo
11-02-2007, 04:24 PM
Funny guy, you come with names and have no bollocks to back it up. Would you call him Gasgay if you liked him? You will have a hard time to make anyone believe this. :lol:

The main problem of gasgay is that it't not really funny the 21233 time.

Good intervention.

Calling him Gasgay has nothing to do with the fact I hate him or not and was not insulting. And I don't pretend to like that guy. Calling him Gasgay is not funny for the 21233th time. OK cool I don't mind the bollocks since I hardly post here and not aware of all people says and posts. Anyways I concede that wasn't funny at all, it came naturally.

Anything else to say before I got burned for being so trashy and devilish with France's pride? :sad:

bigbhoy
11-02-2007, 04:38 PM
Gasquet returns Murray's serve better than Murray returns his, considering that Gasquet broke him four times during their last match and Murray only managed to break Richard once. Also, Gasquet out-aced Murray 5 to 1 during their last match.

Total Return points won in Toronto: Gasquet 45% Murray 32%
1st serve return points won: Gasquet 53% Murray 17%

Murray is good at returning but he's got some dismal serve stats.

Lol, you go on about something that happened way back. At that time, people were talking about his fitness. He even admitted himself at that point that playing 10 games in the space of 12 days took it all out of him. The game against Roddick, which was a few days later, he even said that he thought of pulling out of the match because of exhaustion.

Tonight, he doesn't have that excuse. So why not wait till it's finished before throwing up stats! ;) The newer ones might be less impressive from your end come later tonight!

I still think Gasquet has more talent and flare on the court overall but mentally Gasquet is much more vulnerable and unpredictable than Murray and Murray is more consistent. If Gasquet loses it would be because he folded at the pressure in front of his home crowd, not because Murray outplayed him.

You obviously don't know anything about Murray. He has 2 sides: 1 that can beat anybody, 1 that can lose to anybody. In fact you only need to look back a few weeks. He won the 1st set against Robredo, tore him aparat. Then went on a walkabout & ended up being turned over. Gasquet may not be the most mentally attuned player on the tour, but Murray for sure isn't that far ahead himself if at all!

So the reason he won't ever win RG is because he'll always be under too much pressure. :rolleyes: What about in the Blake match yesterday. Wasn't he under pressure under the yes of a huge crowd but managed to come through it! So if he loses tonight, then it has nothing to do with the crowd. It's to do with the fact he was beaten by the better player on the day.

Fact is, if Muzza comes out playing anywhere near his best. He'll be through to the semis in straights fairly comfortably. If he comes out passive & tries to let Gasquet make the errors. The 1st serve isn't working & he starts to lose his focus & doing too many drop shots etc then he'll be beaten easily.

Qualifying for the Masters would be brilliant and would validate his first Grand Slam semi-final breakthrough at Wimby 2007.
There is no question Murray is extremely talented but I feel Gasquet deserves it most based on 2007..

Hoe can Gasquet possibly deserve it more! Murray was out injured for around 4 months with a serious wrist injury. Came back just before the US & still wasn't anywhere near full fitness. Its only these last 2/3 weeks that he's finally getting back on his feet. Yet after all this, he's still ahead of Gasquet in the race. Shows you what kind of a sh1tty year RG has had then if someone who missed half the tennis season is still ahead of him then! ;) Therefore by that logic, Murray deserves to qualify far, far more!

Pea
11-02-2007, 04:48 PM
Come on Richie!

richie21
11-02-2007, 05:54 PM
At their young age, results 18 months ago are a LONG time ago. The picture has changed a lot since then. I wouldn't set too much store in that.
I don't disagree, I just don't think it will necessarily play out similarly.


Yes ,since then ,Gasquet has made a GS 1/2 final while Murray has still yet to go further than a GS 1/8 final ans still hasn't made a MS final contrary to Gasquet :p

scoobs
11-02-2007, 05:56 PM
These facts are not in dispute except Murray has yet to go beyond R16 at a slam

richie21
11-02-2007, 05:59 PM
These facts are not in dispute.

Well,you said that a bit like if it means that since Gasquet's (easy)win against Murray in Toronto,things had changed a lot and not in favor of Gasquet......while actually it's not that true.

scoobs
11-02-2007, 06:06 PM
Well,you said that a bit like if it means that since Gasquet's (easy)win against Murray in Toronto,things had changed a lot and not in favor of Gasquet......while actually it's not that true.
You assumed I meant that. I was being even handed. They have both moved on since then. I don't wish to get into subjective debates about who has moved on more, it's a matter of opinion. I just don't think that match has an awful lot of bearing on this one.

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 07:12 PM
Surely Gasquet can't handle the pressure of Shanghai on the line as well as the French crowd :dance:

guy in sf
11-02-2007, 07:12 PM
Murray hopefully. Gasgay is annoying in so many ways.

His name is Gasquet and the whole "Gasgay" thing is getting VERY VERY VERY OLD buddy! you're not being funny at all, you're just plain annoying. You say calling him "Gasgay" just came naturally for you and the reason for that is because you participated in this stupid name calling with the rest on this forum so please don't give us that bullshit about you not being on this forum enough to know that some others have been calling him that name too. You are not fooling anyone here.

bigbhoy
11-02-2007, 07:17 PM
Yes ,since then ,Gasquet has made a GS 1/2 final while Murray has still yet to go further than a GS 1/8 final ans still hasn't made a MS final contrary to Gasquet

What does getting to a GS semi have to do with anything. Ginepri got to a US Open semi. Baghdatis got to a final...so what! It's exactly the same as a MS final. It's only the winner that' What exactly does it prove, do they go around boasting of the fact. At the end of the day, it means squat. You enter tournaments to win. If you go out in the 1sr round or the semis. At the end of the day, it makes no difference because you didn't win it. You only got a little bit more money & a few more points. That's it!

Who was the second man on the moon! See the point..It's only the winner that matters! RG got to a GS semi. Then got beat. RG got to a MS final then got beat! In 5/10 years nobody will remember except a few little fanboys & fan girls bringing out this fact to try & justify why he never actually won anything major throughout his career. Only the winners will get their names remembered in history.

Why not wait to see who wins the match tonight then we'll all see who has moved on the most be it AM or RG! ;) Some will look a bit stupid quoting 1st service percentages for a match that happened 14 months ago as if it's actually relevant to the upcoming match in a few hours. Gasquet may win, Murray may win. All the stats & crap of the past, counts for nothing when they get on the court. It's always about who plays better on the day. You have to automatically give Gasquet favourite tag because he'll have 90% plus of the crowd roaring him on. However it's about who plays better on the day that will win the match!

Puschkin
11-02-2007, 07:39 PM
What does getting to a GS semi have to do with anything. Ginepri got to a US Open semi. Baghdatis got to a final...so what! It's exactly the same as a MS final.

But these may be important steps for the individual player's development. Normally players reach QFs and SFs before they win it. The exceptions which do exist, just confirm the rule.

Some will look a bit stupid quoting 1st service percentages for a match that happened 14 months ago as if it's actually relevant to the upcoming match in a few hours.

I agree with you that one match does not say much, but clear H/Hs like Roger/Roddick or Roger/Davydenko will always be a nice advantage for the leaders.

osalsyst
11-02-2007, 08:02 PM
Hoping Murray wins here but Gasquet owned him last year. Voted for Murray in 3.

Corey Feldman
11-02-2007, 08:02 PM
About 57 minutes and 23 seconds to go ....

22 seconds.

my0118
11-02-2007, 08:04 PM
About 57 minutes and 23 seconds to go ....

22 seconds.

Do you think Nadal's match will be done right on time? :lol:

Doume
11-02-2007, 08:04 PM
You're just being to forgotten something. The atmosphere will be very special tonight, with the crowd and the idea of shangai. At the beginning of the match, richard will be nervous, and probably he is gonna loose is serve one or two time. But at one moment, you will see gasquet going on fire, in reason of the pression and all the stuff. If this thing happen, it will be very difficult for murray. I hope it will happen tonight, for the happiness of my eyes.

Corey Feldman
11-02-2007, 08:10 PM
Do you think Nadal's match will be done right on time? :lol:Should be

Youzhny is getting ripped on this indoor clay court.

my0118
11-02-2007, 08:14 PM
Should be

Youzhny is getting ripped on this indoor clay court.

Many fans from possible Shanghai qualifiers want that. :rolls:

Puschkin
11-02-2007, 08:28 PM
Surely Gasquet can't handle the pressure of Shanghai on the line as well as the French crowd :dance:

The more often I read this from you, the more my impression grows that this is wishful thinking. :p :wavey:

mangoes
11-02-2007, 08:33 PM
All this trash talking:lol: :lol: :lol:

It's going to be a great day on MTF if Gasquet sends the Scottish chap home:lol: :lol:

cocopops
11-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Gasquet would struggle to beat murray only if hes playing left-handed

cmurray
11-02-2007, 08:45 PM
All this trash talking:lol: :lol: :lol:

It's going to be a great day on MTF if Gasquet sends the Scottish chap home:lol: :lol:

Depends on what you mean by great. If it means

:sobbing::sobbing::banghead: :banghead: :bigcry: :tears: then I would agree.

:p

Bad Religion
11-02-2007, 08:46 PM
Insults? Being gay is not an insult. And everyone knows he has an affair with A.Lagardere so no creativity needed. You know I like you but stop seeking bad things from me which don't exist.

I agree with le xiax .

If Richie has an affair with Monsieur Lagardere then call him gay can not be considered as an insult :shrug:

mangoes
11-02-2007, 08:47 PM
Depends on what you mean by great. If it means

:sobbing::sobbing::banghead: :banghead: :bigcry: :tears: then I would agree.

:p

That's exactly what I mean.........I will be extremely happy to see Gasquet win and silence all the Muzza fans who insist Gasquet doesn't have what it takes to send the Scottish Chap HOME!!

cmurray
11-02-2007, 08:58 PM
That's exactly what I mean.........I will be extremely happy to see Gasquet win and silence all the Muzza fans who insist Gasquet doesn't have what it takes to send the Scottish Chap HOME!!

I think Gasquet has what it takes...I just hope Murray is better today. I like 'em both, actually.

This match has the potential to produce some beautiful tennis. I'm looking forward to it immensely. Except that whole terrified Murray's going to lose part. :lol:

Puschkin
11-02-2007, 09:02 PM
I think Gasquet has what it takes...I just hope Murray is better today. I like 'em both, actually.

How are you, fellow nervous-wreck? :D I am getting calmer and calmer. :wavey:

nanoman
11-02-2007, 09:03 PM
Murray will win.

Defensive junkballers will always beat attacking players before they mature.

bigbhoy
11-02-2007, 09:04 PM
But these may be important steps for the individual player's development. Normally players reach QFs and SFs before they win it. The exceptions which do exist, just confirm the rule.

I doubt players like Baghdatis, Ginepri etc will be winning any GS's in their careers. Baggy done a great thing to reach the final, however like in other sports (say Football), small teams can go on a great cup run & even reach the final. For some it's a one in a lifetime achievement. El-Ayanoui - QF's, Australian Open 2003. Mardy Fish - QF's, 2007 Australian Open. Gambill - QF's, 2000 Wimbledon. Hanescu - QF's, 2005 French Open. Benneteau - QF's, 2006 French Open.

Gonzalez got to the final of the AO. Grosjean has been to the semis of the AO, SF of Wimbledon. Ancic got to the Smeis of Wimbledon. Andreev got to the QF's of the FO.

Byron Black even got to the QF's of Wimbledon in 2000.

Point being, none of these players won it or ever will win a GS.

Out of all of them Baggy has by far the best chance. He may even get to another GS in the future, but I don't ever see him winning it. The exact same as Gasquet. You could say, 5 years down the line. Federer will probably be gone or near the end of his career. RG will only be 26, however by then. There will be new young guns at the top level of the game. So he done good to get to a GS semi...BUT in all reality, it isn't all that special. Gasquet is a great player & will be around the top end of the game for a few years yet. However I doubt he'll ever win a GS. Murray slo has the talent, but I doubt he'll ever do it either because he's lacking something mentally.

The point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't matter if anyone gets to the QF's or beyond, If they don't win the thing, then at the end of the day who cares....Your still a loser! Gasquet got to a GS semi. So did Robby Ginepri!!

Gasquet is a talented player. The point I'm trying to make is you can't go around throwing stats about for a match that happened 14 months perviously. Especially given the circumstances of how Murray's fitness was back then & how he admitted that he was exhausted with playing so many matches with no breaks.

Challenger Tour 2005, Alessio Di Mauro absolutely mauled him. 2006 US Open, Murray hammered him 6-0, 6-0, 6-1. Murray can come out & beat anybody, but he can easily be beaten by anyone as well. Gasquet is unpredicable, but Murray isn't that far behind in the mental stakes either!

A year is a long time. I'm not saying Murray will win because I think the favourite with the crowd on his side will be Gasquet, just that it's idiotic to throw around stats from previous years as if it actually makes any difference to the outcome of this match.

I want Murray to win obviously, but if Gasquet plays better on the day fair enough. As long as Murray plays his best & if he still gets beat. So be it. What I don't want to see is the mental midget Murray that ends up going on a mental walkabout. If we see him, Gasquet will take it easily. However if Muzza does that, then it's his own fault!

Puschkin
11-02-2007, 09:11 PM
I doubt players like Baghdatis, Ginepri etc will be winning any GS's in their careers. Baggy done a great thing to reach the final, however like in other sports (say Football), small teams can go on a great cup run & even reach the final. For some it's a one in a lifetime achievement. El-Ayanoui - QF's, Australian Open 2003. Mardy Fish - QF's, 2007 Australian Open. Gambill - QF's, 2000 Wimbledon. Hanescu - QF's, 2005 French Open. Benneteau - QF's, 2006 French Open.

Of course you can find a lot of players, never getting beyond the QF or SF stage. Likewise, I could come up with a number of guys, who reached QFs and SFs before hitting the big prize. But I am going to watch the match now. :wavey:

Metis
11-02-2007, 09:11 PM
What's that thing Murray was carrying while entering the court? It looked like a comforter :lol:.

mangoes
11-02-2007, 09:16 PM
I must be the only one not having nervous fits...........I'm just ready to watch some fantastic tennis. I hope both of them won't be nervous making tons of UEs.

GO GASQUET

Metis
11-02-2007, 09:21 PM
I must be the only one not having nervous fits...........I'm just ready to watch some fantastic tennis. I hope both of them won't be nervous making tons of UEs.



I feel the same way too. :)

I don't care who wins. I like both of them equally.

madmanfool
11-02-2007, 09:32 PM
Livestream anyone???

DrJules
11-02-2007, 11:04 PM
Hopefully they put this as night match, that way Baggy can beat Boredo and put everything on the line for this match.

Gasquet humped him last time they played, Muzza has improved at a quicker rate than Gasquet since then though, plus is full of confidence and has nothing to lose. I fancy Muzza in 3, Gasquet will choke like a true Frenchie :D

Should read: "Murray will choke like a true Scottie":lol: :lol: :lol:

LisaKoh
11-02-2007, 11:05 PM
Allez! Never in doubt. :)

Jozie
11-02-2007, 11:16 PM
That was a shocking! I felt the pressure as much as the players. I am so pleased it is over. Richie, you rock ... That match was Andy's to lose in the third. I thought Andy would handle the pressure better than Richie, but always wanted Richie to win.

Allez Richie....

adee-gee
11-02-2007, 11:32 PM
Should read: "Murray will choke like a true Scottie":lol: :lol: :lol:
:sad:

I actually think Scotland are worse than France when it comes to so near yet so far. As the old saying goes, 'always the bridesmaid, never the bride' :mad:

DrJules
11-02-2007, 11:38 PM
:sad:

I actually think Scotland are worse than France when it comes to so near yet so far. As the old saying goes, 'always the bridesmaid, never the bride' :mad:

Interestingly if played on the court surface of last year there is no way that I could have seen Gasquet winning against Murray.

LisaKoh
11-02-2007, 11:41 PM
He'll probably beat him on taraflex too. It's a bad matchup for Murray, considering that Gasquet has loads more talent.

Puschkin
11-02-2007, 11:49 PM
trus me mate gasguet is a loser and that will be the case tomoz.

Who is a loser? :p

Allure
11-03-2007, 12:08 AM
Who is a loser? :p

Don't pick on him. It's bad enough that he can't spell. :sad:

Shrinking Violet
11-03-2007, 12:22 AM
:sad:

I actually think Scotland are worse than France when it comes to so near yet so far. As the old saying goes, 'always the bridesmaid, never the bride' :mad:

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is sadly an extremely Scottish characteristic. I think we're just born with it - it's sadly predictable, yet never fails to kick you in the teeth anyway because each time you think 'this is the one where there won't be any glorious failure'.

Unfortunately, Andy's years in Spain haven't seemed to have kicked the trait out of him.

Anyway, well done Richie - I picked him to win in three, but was still a bit gutted when it happened. Good season for the pair of them regardless.

guy in sf
11-03-2007, 01:49 AM
yeh you know gasguet has been around for ages and done nothing to speak off apart from fed win and that was when he wasnt peakin and semi at wimbledon
djoker is good but murray would of been ther if he dindt get injured, u tellin me murray with wimbledon queens, montreal cinncinatti and us open(proper) would not be up with the top 4 he is obivuosly better than roddick and davy who are 4/5 trus me mate gasguet is a loser and that will be the case tomoz. mugs like u just cant see it

You must feel really stupid at this point.

scoobs
11-03-2007, 02:02 AM
Well done Richie - ultimately you showed the greater control and courage and deserved to win.