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Nalbandian is eliminated from Shanghai race:(

konyalikartal
11-01-2007, 01:14 PM
Unfortunately after Murray eliminated Santoro it is guaranteed that one of Murray, Gasquet or Blake will be in the semi final so this means Nalby is eliminated from Shanghai race. How will it affect him in the Federer match? We'll see in the evening. Nalbandian should be in TMC Shanghai. It is a pity:(

scarecrows
11-01-2007, 01:15 PM
why pity?

he has sucked most of the season

Deathless Mortal
11-01-2007, 01:15 PM
Nalbandian should be in TMC Shanghai. It is a pity:(

Why? Because he played 1 good tournament? :confused:

Sunset of Age
11-01-2007, 01:16 PM
Murray deserves it a lot more to be there, I think.

Metis
11-01-2007, 01:17 PM
Couldn't he still make it as an alternate? You never know what happens. He got in in 2005 and won it after other players withdrew :shrug:.

martine2
11-01-2007, 01:17 PM
Murray deserves it a lot more to be there, I think.

I agree.
Coming back from the wrist injury like this :worship:

konyalikartal
11-01-2007, 01:18 PM
Of course this would happen but nobody is injured right now:)

scarecrows
11-01-2007, 01:20 PM
Of course this would happen but nobody is injured right now:)

and your point is?

ExpectedWinner
11-01-2007, 01:20 PM
Anyone who can beat Fed, "deserves" to be in Shanghai. Its a disaster that Volandri won't make it.

Jaap
11-01-2007, 01:25 PM
The mug has lost to Pless and Kunitsyn this year and has spent most of the year stuffing his face and rallying. He doesn't deserve to go to Shanghai.

Mateya
11-01-2007, 01:27 PM
Ooooh, thats a shocker :lol:

You cant expect to qualify for Shanghai while driving rallies, making QF in Barcelona and winning about 20 matches before Madrid. :retard:

cmurray
11-01-2007, 01:59 PM
I don't really think David deserves to be there, to be honest. He has not played well this year for the most part. Murray even being IN the hunt is impressive considering he missed half the year. Gotta go with Murray for most deserving candidate.

lorenz
11-01-2007, 02:23 PM
I'm sorry for Fat Dave !!!
nevertheless, kill Roger Today !!!!!

Metis
11-01-2007, 02:28 PM
If he wins Paris why shouldn't he deserve to be in the TMC with 2 Masters shields?

ReturnWinner
11-01-2007, 02:33 PM
he should have won that match against Pics in the uso, i think he woud have made the semis , huge chance lost for him there.

cmurray
11-01-2007, 02:42 PM
If he wins Paris why shouldn't he deserve to be in the TMC with 2 Masters shields?

Well....the numbers tell the story. If you win 2 masters events and you still don't have enough points to qualify at the year's end (especially when the point total needed to qualify is historically low) it means the rest of your year was REALLY dismal.

I like David too, but he hasn't made much effort for most of the year.

Montego
11-01-2007, 02:51 PM
Nalbandian was not even close of qualifying for a moment, so it is not a shock. He has sucked all year, so one Masters win does not change anything.

Forehander
11-01-2007, 02:56 PM
lol there's nothing to be sorry about what the heck?'

TMJordan
11-01-2007, 03:01 PM
It is a pity, the Donut man would do a heck of a lot better there than most of the mugs going.

Marek.
11-01-2007, 03:12 PM
David has sucked for most of the year so no, he shouldn't be able to qualify even if he wins Paris.

Metis
11-01-2007, 03:24 PM
Well....the numbers tell the story. If you win 2 masters events and you still don't have enough points to qualify at the year's end (especially when the point total needed to qualify is historically low) it means the rest of your year was REALLY dismal.

I like David too, but he hasn't made much effort for most of the year.


I wasn't implying that the others deserve it less because they haven't won a Masters event. Of course the total number of points is what matters in the end.

What I meant was that if he were to win Paris while the other contenders lost early then I wouldn't consider him an undeserving participant in the TMC. Not many players have won Masters events this year ;). Additionally his current good form would be a bonus for the tournament because he would give us interesting matches.

Seneca
11-01-2007, 03:29 PM
Considering that my expectations for Dave a month ago were to retain seeding when the AO rolls on, missing Shanghai doesn't really feel like a loss at all.

R.Federer
11-01-2007, 03:36 PM
David deserves to be only where the race points say he is. He can't just emerge at the end of the year, play one superb tournament and expect to be in Shanghai. Frankly I don't think he does, only some of his fans expect that.

ltaravilse
11-01-2007, 03:40 PM
I don't think that David is allready out of Shangai. If he wins Paris and Nadal and Baghdatis reaches semis he will end year as a top 10 and with only one player that dismisses he enters Shangai...
Are you sure that ARod will be at Shangai?

ReturnWinner
11-01-2007, 03:41 PM
Considering that my expectations for Dave a month ago were to retain seeding when the AO rolls on, missing Shanghai doesn't really feel like a loss at all.

true,and its good in the sense he can rest well for the next season

ChinoRios4Ever
11-01-2007, 04:51 PM
expected

tennis2tennis
11-01-2007, 06:41 PM
If he wins Paris why shouldn't he deserve to be in the TMC with 2 Masters shields?

becuase someone else amassed more points throughout the season as apposed to a couple of weeks!!

cmurray
11-01-2007, 06:46 PM
I wasn't implying that the others deserve it less because they haven't won a Masters event. Of course the total number of points is what matters in the end.

What I meant was that if he were to win Paris while the other contenders lost early then I wouldn't consider him an undeserving participant in the TMC. Not many players have won Masters events this year ;). Additionally his current good form would be a bonus for the tournament because he would give us interesting matches.

Oh, I'm not arguing that he would make a better addition to the lineup than...say, Fena. He absolutely would make things more interesting.

Disagreeing with you is like having an argument with myself. :lol:

mtw
11-01-2007, 06:48 PM
He has already been there two times. One time he won this title. Maybe in the next year he will be in this final again. People are sometimes tired. It is quite hard job too and maybe he need rest.

Fumus
11-01-2007, 06:48 PM
He could be an alternate, this time of year everyone is injured and rumor has it Roddick might not play, also others could miss too.

Hola Mr. SK
11-01-2007, 07:04 PM
It IS pity not to have an in-form Bandy there to produce more excitement. But as the race points suggests, someone else deserves more to be there.
The guy has already won TMC once. I think he doesn't care too much about it.

Metis
11-01-2007, 07:36 PM
becuase someone else amassed more points throughout the season as apposed to a couple of weeks!!

I agree with you. If you had read my reply to cmurray you might have understood what my point was. Again, what I meant was that, if Nalby won Paris and qualified (because the other contenders lost earlier and had fewer points, which is not the case now), then he would not be an undeserving participant. I said that because I got the impression from some posters' comments that he wouldn't deserve it since he sucked during most of the season.


Oh, I'm not arguing that he would make a better addition to the lineup than...say, Fena. He absolutely would make things more interesting.

Disagreeing with you is like having an argument with myself. :lol:

:lol: :hug:

Julio1974
11-01-2007, 08:04 PM
David doesn't deserve to get to the master. He has played like crap during almost all the year. He had an amazing week in Madrid and he seems to be playing well also in Paris but this is not enough. Let's hope next year he is really focused and win a GS. It will be extremely difficult but it has to be his target. I think he might have a chance in Australia.

buddyholly
11-01-2007, 08:12 PM
Not so fast. It's not over 'til the fat lady sings.
Nalby can still get the eighth spot IF he beats Federer and then nobody else plays their games. A player has to show up to get the points hasn't he? So how could this happen? Well lets say there was bad cheese in the players' lounge and everybody who ate cheeseburgers or pizza got so sick they could not play any more. And let's say everybody ate cheeseburgers or pizza except Nalby and.................oh, never mind, it's not gonna happen.

Voo de Mar
11-02-2007, 12:29 AM
I'm not a lover of ranking points but IMO Nalbandian isn't eliminated. He will go to Shanghai if:
- he wins the whole tournament and
- Robredo loses QF
- Youzhny loses QF or SF

Murray and Gasquet are meaningless in these cases because one of them must lose to David in the semifinal.
At atptennis.com Nalbandian is still in bold text. :shrug:

scoobs
11-02-2007, 12:32 AM
Voo, if Murray makes semis (and loses to David) he is on 371
If Gasquet makes semis (and loses to David) he is on 366

One of them HAS to make the semis

If Nalbandian wins the whole thing he still only end up on 355 so he would still be 9th (If Robredo loses QF) . I think Nalbandian can only get in if he wins Paris AND there's a withdrawal AND Robredo doesn't add to his current 353

Voo de Mar
11-02-2007, 12:37 AM
Voo, if Murray makes semis (and loses to David) he is on 371
If Gasquet makes semis (and loses to David) he is on 366

If Nalbandian wins the whole thing he still only end up on 355 so he would still be 9th. I think Nalbandian can only get in if he wins Paris AND there's a withdrawal.

Yes, you're right. I was always bad in mathematics and I counted hypothetical Nalbandian's points incorrectly :o
:wavey:

my0118
11-02-2007, 12:38 AM
Voo, if Murray makes semis (and loses to David) he is on 371
If Gasquet makes semis (and loses to David) he is on 366

If Nalbandian wins the whole thing he still only end up on 355 so he would still be 9th. I think Nalbandian can only get in if he wins Paris AND there's a withdrawal.

Yes. Unless there's withdrawl, he's unlikely to have a chance to be qualified. But the funny thing is he probably should buy a flight ticket to Shanghai as an alternative if it's the case.

hiperborejac
11-02-2007, 01:04 AM
OK, Murray wins over Gasquet, then withdraw couse his car crash;
Robredo,Misha lose in QF, then Nalbandian win final --> Nalbandian in Shangai :devil:

ltaravilse
11-02-2007, 01:06 AM
Will Davydenko be at Shangai? Maybe someone gives him money if he says he's injured... or maybe the ATP fires him of the tour

NinaNina19
11-02-2007, 01:09 AM
I'm not a lover of ranking points but IMO Nalbandian isn't eliminated. He will go to Shanghai if:
- he wins the whole tournament and
- Robredo loses QF
- Youzhny loses QF or SF

Murray and Gasquet are meaningless in these cases because one of them must lose to David in the semifinal.
At atptennis.com Nalbandian is still in bold text. :shrug:He would still be 9th in the race though. Roddick might withdraw though so David could still make it.

ChinoRios4Ever
11-02-2007, 02:20 AM
Scoobs upset Voo de Mar here :lol:

Bad Religion
11-02-2007, 02:24 AM
Gonzo should give his place to Nalbi

We need an Ego King killa (Fit Dave) not an Ego King worshipper (Mugzo)

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-02-2007, 02:28 AM
Gonzo should give his place to Nalbi

We need an Ego King killa (Fit Dave) not an Ego King worshipper (Mugzo)

Damm right.

Jaffas85
11-02-2007, 03:31 AM
Should Nalbandian win Paris then I think he will more than likely be heading to Shanghai either as one of the Top 8 or as an alternate.

Both Roddick and Davydenko may well withdraw from Shanghai (or at least one of them) so should Nalbandian wins Paris he would stand a good shot of being among the elite 8.