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Paris R2 : Federer - Karlovic 6:3 4:6 6:3

didadida
10-31-2007, 09:09 PM
WOW
GOOD WORK ROGER

6-3 4-6 6-3
:worship: :worship:

Tabledott
10-31-2007, 09:10 PM
GO Roger

Adler
10-31-2007, 09:10 PM
:haha:
Now that was hilarious!

Federer wanted to finish it in straight so badly that he didn't even notice that he's just lost a set when he'd got broken. I wondef if he can defeat Nalbandian, but it would be reeeally difficult

As for Karlo, well, he didn't show anything we don't know about, but the percentage of 1st serves in and the amount of double fults were proper

Stats will appear here soon

FedererSlam
10-31-2007, 09:11 PM
great match...lots of breaks atleast...slow surface...roger owns...haha at the people who thought he'd tank...fat dave next.

Deathless Mortal
10-31-2007, 09:11 PM
Nice fight Ivo :yeah:
Finally took a set off of him

Psichogauchovna
10-31-2007, 09:12 PM
Fed :woohoo:

Bad Religion
10-31-2007, 09:13 PM
Lucky bastard Federer

Your luck don't have end

Rogieva
10-31-2007, 09:13 PM
Roger broke Ivo 3 times, with 40 winners to 13 ue. Good match, well done Roger|!

Blue Heart24
10-31-2007, 09:13 PM
In the third set Ivo had one chance to get to 3-3,didnt take it and that was.But anyway,great play and effort by Ivo :yeah: Fantastic season.Good luck in 2008 :D

As for the surface...It's an embarrassment for tennis when you see this kind of surface indoors.:wavey:

nanoman
10-31-2007, 09:14 PM
You know the status of the court when Federer gets so many looks on the Karlovic serve.

An ok match by Fed. I thought he was too playful after winning the first set. Should've close it in 2.

marcRD
10-31-2007, 09:14 PM
Federer won 46% of Karlovics 1st serves in the 3rd set, he was really reading Karlovics serve like a book, Karlovic could even have been bagelled in that last set if Fed would have converted the bps.

rwn
10-31-2007, 09:14 PM
:haha:
Now that was hilarious!

Federer wanted to finish it in straight so badly that he didn't even notice that he's just lost a set when he'd got broken. I wondef if he can defeat Nalbandian, but it would be reeeally difficult

As for Karlo, well, he didn't show anything we don't know about, but the percentage of 1st serves in and the amount of double fults were proper

Stats will appear here soon

If Roger is really lucky he can win a set against the GOAT.

ASP0315
10-31-2007, 09:14 PM
nice fight doc.
See ya next year Great season for ya

congrats to federer.

The organizers made a perfect surface for him to return.

Apemant
10-31-2007, 09:15 PM
Nice fight Ivo :yeah:
Finally took a set off of him

This is pushing it... it was more like - finally he got lucky enough to catch one of Fed's :silly: :cuckoo: moments and got the set nicely giftwrapped by Federer.

:devil:

jonas
10-31-2007, 09:15 PM
Interesting match.

I thought Fed played pretty good at times. Returned excellent. I mean when was the last time Ivo won "only" 73% of the points behind first serve?!

I can easily see Ivo inside top ten next year.

To bad it's Fed vs Nalby already in the third round...

FedererSlam
10-31-2007, 09:16 PM
great winner-ufe ratio as well...avatar snap tabledott

stebs
10-31-2007, 09:17 PM
Federer has played Karlovic on slower surfaces than this and barely got a look at the serve, with the Ivo serve a slowed down court makes a pretty small difference. I know the excuses will be thrown around like confetti about how he got broken three times but Federer really stepped up the return game today.

sdtoot
10-31-2007, 09:17 PM
Fed looked like he was here to win the tournament in the third set!

Alonsofz
10-31-2007, 09:17 PM
:(!

Apemant
10-31-2007, 09:19 PM
Federer has played Karlovic on slower surfaces than this and barely got a look at the serve, with the Ivo serve a slowed down court makes a pretty small difference. I know the excuses will be thrown around like confetti about how he got broken three times but Federer really stepped up the return game today.

Actually, if Federer didn't miss out so many 2nd serves, because of his weak BH floating return of 2nd serves, he would have broken him a couple times more. C'mon, it one game he won like 4 points off of Karlo's 1st serve bombs, and still didn't break - just because he didn't punish 2nd serves the way Nalbandian or Murray would have, for example.

ASP0315
10-31-2007, 09:20 PM
This is pushing it... it was more like - finally he got lucky enough to catch one of Fed's :silly: :cuckoo: moments and got the set nicely giftwrapped by Federer.

:devil:

lucky.?

you think karlovic having 2 bps in first set is luck.?
do you think karlovic having 1 more bp in the 3rd set luck.

karlovic should have broken him to love at federer 4-5 0-40 but instead he broke at 30-40

Federer had same amount of luck in the first set as well.
it was a close match. in case you didn't watch it.

stebs
10-31-2007, 09:21 PM
lucky.?

you think karlovic having 2 bps in first set is luck.?
do you think karlovic having 1 more bp in the 4th set luck.

karlovic should have broken him to love at federer 4-5 0-40 but instead he broke at 30-40

Federer had same amount of luck in the first set as well.
it was a close match. in case you didn't watch it.

:yeah:

Karlovic deserved that break I think.

tcorinna
10-31-2007, 09:24 PM
:worship:Congrats Roger:worship: Nice 3rd set :worship:

:wavey:Congrats Ivo also ... he was so sad when he left the court:sad: ... Poor him:sad:

Corey Feldman
10-31-2007, 09:28 PM
Funny match :)

good win for Fed in the end.

Apemant
10-31-2007, 09:30 PM
lucky.??
you really need to get your head checked before posting the shit.

you think karlovic having 2 bps in first set is luck.?
do you think karlovic having 1 more bp in the 4th set luck.


Karlo did hit a couple of nice winners, but yes, those BP were more luck than anything else; he got to 0-40 by 'virtue' of Federer hitting 3 mindless forehand UEs. Admittedly, he did hit a nice return at 30-40 so in a way at least that set point was deserved, but he wouldn't even get there if Fed didn't lose his concentration a bit. Or you have a better explanation why he won just 1 point on Fed's serve in that set, prior to that game? Perhaps he 'raised his level' there, eh? :devil:



karlovic should have broken him to love at federer 4-5 0-40 but instead he broke at 30-40

Federer had same amount of luck in the first set as well.
it was a close match. in case you didn't watch it.

I watched it, sure thing, and if you think it was close, you need an eye examination. The only possible way Karlo can break Federer is to receive a gift of at least 2 silly UEs from him, which are mostly needless because he doesn't need to risk that much to hold his service games anyway.

Kitty de Sade
10-31-2007, 09:31 PM
Rough day at the office for Ivo, especially in the 3rd set. :hug:

Kind of a loopy match all around, with Federer not realizing he had lost the second set. Congrats to him for coming away with the win. :yeah:

garad
10-31-2007, 09:31 PM
I must laugh at those who were so sure Fed would tank. He showed them that he means business here and didn't come to Paris just to pick up a fat cheque (Djoko style).

He also answered those doubting that he is anything else than in a great physical shape. The intensity in the third set was visible (actually I don't remember him to use 'c'mon' that often for a while) and the movement is spot on after two weeks of playing. He will lose this tournament to a superior player, not to fatigue.

Greenday
10-31-2007, 09:38 PM
lucky.?

you think karlovic having 2 bps in first set is luck.?
do you think karlovic having 1 more bp in the 3rd set luck.

karlovic should have broken him to love at federer 4-5 0-40 but instead he broke at 30-40

Federer had same amount of luck in the first set as well.
it was a close match. in case you didn't watch it.


Oh right!...ivo was hardly winning a rally....ivo minus serve is a joke.....fed made three forehand errors in tht game where kalovic broke him for the second set.....and yes he was lucky to win tht set.........he was also lucky he wasn't bageled in the third set......fed held multiple break points in tht third set which he didnt convert........

garad
10-31-2007, 09:45 PM
Oh right!...ivo was hardly winning a rally....ivo minus serve is a joke.....fed made three forehand errors in tht game where kalovic broke him for the second set.....and yes he was lucky to win tht set.........he was also lucky he wasn't bageled in the third set......fed held multiple break points in tht third set which he didnt convert........

Bageled Karlovic. Now that would be a sight!

ASP0315
10-31-2007, 09:51 PM
Karlo did hit a couple of nice winners, but yes, those BP were more luck than anything else; he got to 0-40 by 'virtue' of Federer hitting 3 mindless forehand UEs. Admittedly, he did hit a nice return at 30-40 so in a way at least that set point was deserved, but he wouldn't even get there if Fed didn't lose his concentration a bit. Or you have a better explanation why he won just 1 point on Fed's serve in that set, prior to that game? Perhaps he 'raised his level' there, eh? :devil:





I watched it, sure thing, and if you think it was close, you need an eye examination. The only possible way Karlo can break Federer is to receive a gift of at least 2 silly UEs from him, which are mostly needless because he doesn't need to risk that much to hold his service games anyway.

1)It was karlovic who raised the level of play in the second set. that doesn't mean federer played bad. karlovic did deserve to win the second set after missing two bps in the first set.
2)It would be also fair to Federer recieved some luck in the first set. Without luck he wouldn't breaking big server like karlovic. (Even though Federer is world number 1 or weather or not the surface favored him.)
3)Yes the slower surface did favor federer to return. At the same time it also helped karlovic to put returns as well. But yes karlovic is world number 23 and federer is world number #1. So i fed indeed is expected to make more returns than any other player ranked below him.

4)So your thoery of luck is totally wrong. karlovic lost a couple of bps in the first set and lost his own concentration to get broken. His mistakes were up his mistakes in the second set.
one way or the other karlovic won the set end of story. So don't call everything luck
5) in the third set yes federer did raise his level of play. But if he raised his level of play why did he face a bp in the third. So credit must be given to a opponents where its dues and don't call everything is luck.

6) Federer did deserve to win. Karlovic did deserve to get some credit where its due. Weather or not fed made errors to gift or not. You don't expect federer to make winners all the time don't you.

ASP0315
10-31-2007, 09:54 PM
Oh right!...ivo was hardly winning a rally....ivo minus serve is a joke.....fed made three forehand errors in tht game where kalovic broke him for the second set.....and yes he was lucky to win tht set.........he was also lucky he wasn't bageled in the third set......fed held multiple break points in tht third set which he didnt convert........

roddick wouldn't even be in top 100 if it isn't for the serve. so STFU.
BTW i loved the way federer hammered him at australian open.(very slow surface.) which included a bagel. Wow not bad from someone is world number 5. :lol:
where as karlovic managed to take a set off him here.(slower than Rebound ace.?) put up a good fight here.

Puschkin
10-31-2007, 10:00 PM
I must laugh at those who were so sure Fed would tank. He showed them that he means business here and didn't come to Paris just to pick up a fat cheque (Djoko style).

:yeah:

dragons112
10-31-2007, 10:03 PM
:worship: Nice fight Ivo :yeah:
Finally took a set off of him

How terrible for roger

tangerine_dream
10-31-2007, 10:08 PM
roddick wouldn't even be in top 100 if it isn't for the serve. so STFU.
Are you capable of discussing anything without always bringing up your wet dream Roddick?

DrJules
10-31-2007, 10:15 PM
Federer has played Karlovic on slower surfaces than this and barely got a look at the serve, with the Ivo serve a slowed down court makes a pretty small difference. I know the excuses will be thrown around like confetti about how he got broken three times but Federer really stepped up the return game today.

And Karlovic had break points on the Federer serve in all 3 sets.

stebs
10-31-2007, 10:18 PM
And Karlovic had break points on the Federer serve in all 3 sets.

What's that got to do with my post? :confused:

Apemant
10-31-2007, 10:18 PM
1)It was karlovic who raised the level of play in the second set. that doesn't mean federer played bad. karlovic did deserve to win the second set after missing two bps in the first set.


Hang on, did I understand you correctly? He raised his game in the 2nd set - you mean the whole set, or just that game at 4-5?
Because, you see, before that game he won a grand total of one point on Fed's serve. And what raising of game you need, exactly, when your opponent just gives you 3 mindless UEs in a row?


2)It would be also fair to Federer recieved some luck in the first set. Without luck he wouldn't breaking big server like karlovic. (Even though Federer is world number 1 or weather or not the surface favored him.)

World number one means jack when you play Ivo; Roger can break him not because he's #1 but because he has amazing reflexes and unlike most people he can put more 1st serves back into play, forcing Ivo to actually win them in subsequent rallies instead of getting them the simpler way. Luck does play some role in that, undeniable - but Karlo needs even more luck to break Federer than vice versa. Surely you must see that.


3)Yes the slower surface did favor federer to return. At the same time it also helped karlovic to put returns as well. But yes karlovic is world number 23 and federer is world number #1. So i fed indeed is expected to make more returns than any other player ranked below him.

I don't follow your logic here. #1 and #23 mean nothing when serving and returning are concerned; Ivo's serve is the best on the tour by far, regardless of whether he's #23 or #12 or #76. It is hard to return it, again, regardless of the spot Ivo currently holds.
And you are not supposed to make more returns than someone ranked below you; it has nothing to do with rankings, it has something to do with returning skills. Some people are ranked higher than some other people even if their returning skills are below par; because they have other weapons at their disposal.
Fed just happens to be an amazing returner or fast 1st serves, that's it.


4)So your thoery of luck is totally wrong. karlovic lost a couple of bps in the first set and lost his own concentration to get broken. His mistakes were up his mistakes in the second set.

No, my theory is not wrong; luck is a fundamental thing in most games, everyone needs luck at some point or the another. It just that Karlo needs more luck to break/beat Federer than vice versa. Simple as that. Doesn't mean he has no chance at all.


5) in the third set yes federer did raise his level of play. But if he raised his level of play why did he face a bp in the third. So credit must be given to a opponents where its dues and don't call everything is luck.

Not everything is luck, never said otherwise. But when your opponent makes 3 forehand UEs in a row, even though he hardly missed one in the last 20 minutes, what do you call it? Do you credit yourself for that?

I'm pretty sure Ivo himself felt sort of strange, which is why he gifted Federer the break right after, serving at like 10% in the first game of the 3rd. Surely he was confused by 'winning' the previous set, doing almost nothing himself. (except for that nice aggressive return of 2nd serve at 30-40).

elessar
10-31-2007, 10:21 PM
Just came back from the match where Roger returned like a god at times :eek: For several games he just returned 140 mph bombs like it was nothing, really impressive to see that. About the match being close...frankly Federer gift wrapped that break with really stupid UEs, he did look like he wasn't really concentrating on the match at times but the result was never really in doubt

DrJules
10-31-2007, 10:26 PM
What's that got to do with my post? :confused:

Both players returned serve better than in any of their earlier matches.

stebs
10-31-2007, 10:28 PM
Both players returned serve better than in any of their earlier matches.

Yes, but that doesn't make any difference to my point which is that in terms of the Karlovic serve small court speed changes make little difference whereas for human servers it is very important. That's why the scoreline shows Federer's returning prowess more than how slow the court has become.

World Beater
10-31-2007, 10:31 PM
:lol:

i told you the surface was indoor blue clay.

Apemant
10-31-2007, 10:31 PM
Just came back from the match where Roger returned like a god at times :eek: For several games he just returned 140 mph bombs like it was nothing, really impressive to see that. About the match being close...frankly Federer gift wrapped that break with really stupid UEs, he did look like he wasn't really concentrating on the match at times but the result was never really in doubt

Precisely. I have absolutely nothing against Ivo himself, in fact I rather like him - but saying that he won that set due to some impressive tennis is just wrong.

What's really funny is that Ivo did have that 1 BP in the 3rd set as well. Since he won a total of 3 points on Fed's serve in the 3rd set, it means it was the only game he had a look on Fed's serve. Raised his level in that particular game? Yeah, sure. :rolleyes: It was just that Federer failed to convert some BPs in the previous game and couldn't mentally shake it off completely, thus making several more silly UEs. I even thought he wanted to actually bagel poor Ivo :eek: , and got seriously pissed off when he failed to break to go 4-0 ahead.

ASP0315
10-31-2007, 11:02 PM
Hang on, did I understand you correctly? He raised his game in the 2nd set - you mean the whole set, or just that game at 4-5?
Because, you see, before that game he won a grand total of one point on Fed's serve. And what raising of game you need, exactly, when your opponent just gives you 3 mindless UEs in a row?

First thing he raised his game in serving. He put a lot of first serve % in the second which he didn't in the first set.

World number one means jack when you play Ivo; Roger can break him not because he's #1 but because he has amazing reflexes and unlike most people he can put more 1st serves back into play, forcing Ivo to actually win them in subsequent rallies instead of getting them the simpler way. Luck does play some role in that, undeniable - but Karlo needs even more luck to break Federer than vice versa. Surely you must see that.

Did i say karlovic is great returner. No. His serve is his main streghth. He did need to have some luck right. Saying that karlovic is lucky on every occcasion is wrong. Don't deny the fact slow surfaced helped federer to reutn well. so in a way federer had some luck.
I don't follow your logic here. #1 and #23 mean nothing when serving and returning are concerned; Ivo's serve is the best on the tour by far, regardless of whether he's #23 or #12 or #76. It is hard to return it, again, regardless of the spot Ivo currently holds.
And you are not supposed to make more returns than someone ranked below you; it has nothing to do with rankings, it has something to do with returning skills. Some people are ranked higher than some other people even if their returning skills are below par; because they have other weapons at their disposal.
Fed just happens to be an amazing returner or fast 1st serves, that's it.

ok Celement broke karlovic nine times this season.(All of those came on superfast surfaces.) So do you now call Clement a greater returner than federer :lol:

Why isn't federer unable to break karlovic on superfast court where as clement is managing to break karlovic every time. :Lol: Do you think clement is more luckier than Federer.?

No, my theory is not wrong; luck is a fundamental thing in most games, everyone needs luck at some point or the another. It just that Karlo needs more luck to break/beat Federer than vice versa. Simple as that. Doesn't mean he has no chance at all.

According to your theory everyone needs more luck to beat federer. Karlovic has a better chance than davydenko or roddick or youzhny or anyone else on the tour beacuse he holds the game so easily and puts pressure on your own serve. I'm sure there is not a whole lot players who can do that to federer. BTW karlovic is more improved from the baseline. Don't deny that. and call everything is luck.

Not everything is luck, never said otherwise. But when your opponent makes 3 forehand UEs in a row, even though he hardly missed one in the last 20 minutes, what do you call it? Do you credit yourself for that?

I'm pretty sure Ivo himself felt sort of strange, which is why he gifted Federer the break right after, serving at like 10% in the first game of the 3rd. Surely he was confused by 'winning' the previous set, doing almost nothing himself. (except for that nice aggressive return of 2nd serve at 30-40).

Federer was also confused by the matter of fact. BTW Federer thought karlovic was 5-3 up instead of 6-4.


answers in bold

Apemant
10-31-2007, 11:11 PM
answers in bold

To cut the whole issue short: I didn't say EVERYTHING Karlo does is luck, or that Federer is never lucky himself. I just said that particular game at 4-5 was mostly luck, and it was, as Karlo did almost nothing himself there. Don't put words into my mouth.

ASP0315
10-31-2007, 11:18 PM
To cut the whole issue short: I didn't say EVERYTHING Karlo does is luck, or that Federer is never lucky himself. I just said that particular game at 4-5 was mostly luck, and it was, as Karlo did almost nothing himself there. Don't put words into my mouth.

fine.
All i just wanted to confirm is weather you thought karlovic is lucky all the time or not.
Thats all i wanted to know. :wavey:

theDreamer
10-31-2007, 11:36 PM
According to your theory, everyone needs more luck to beat federer

...than he does to beat them.

This is mostly true isnt it?:confused:

and Apemant never said Ivo is always lucky.

elessar
11-01-2007, 12:05 AM
I even thought he wanted to actually bagel poor Ivo :eek: , and got seriously pissed off when he failed to break to go 4-0 ahead.

You may not be that far off :lol: it's funny given how many posters thought he would tank his match while I heard more come on's, grunts etc from Roger in this match than I'd heard in a long time.

Ivo#1Fan
11-01-2007, 12:24 AM
Roger's great and he returned well, particularly in the 3rd set. However both the break in the 1st set and the critical break in the 1st game of the 3rd set were due to a poor service games out of Ivo, he missed 5 out of 6 1st serves including a double fault in that 1st game of the 3rd set. So it's not like Roger was doing amazingly against Ivo's strong serves to break in those service games. But certainly Roger was doing very well returning 1st serves in the 3rd set and Ivo was losing a little steam. So maybe the service break Ivo got from Roger was a bit of a gift of UEs but in the same way so were at least two of the breaks that Roger got. One of the reasons Ivo won that second set was because he hit 80% of 1st serves in it, while in the other two sets his service percentage was way down. To beat someone like Roger Ivo needs to hit 80% of 1st serves and have some strong TBs. I'm not saying that's going to happen soon, but if they play enough times Ivo will pull one out.

gogogirl
11-01-2007, 12:36 AM
Roger's great and he returned well, particularly in the 3rd set. However both the break in the 1st set and the critical break in the 1st game of the 3rd set were due to a poor service games out of Ivo, he missed 5 out of 6 1st serves including a double fault in that 1st game of the 3rd set. So it's not like Roger was doing amazingly against Ivo's strong serves to break in those service games. But certainly Roger was doing very well returning 1st serves in the 3rd set and Ivo was losing a little steam. So maybe the service break Ivo got from Roger was a bit of a gift of UEs but in the same way so were at least two of the breaks that Roger got. One of the reasons Ivo won that second set was because he hit 80% of 1st serves in it, while in the other two sets his service percentage was way down. To beat someone like Roger Ivo needs to hit 80% of 1st serves and have some strong TBs. I'm not saying that's going to happen soon, but if they play enough times Ivo will pull one out.


All,

And I couldn't have said it better. Instead of some admitting Ivo has game, they'd rather knock J. B., for instance when he lost to Ivo in Madrid. I agree, Ivo will soon beat Roger. Ivo has no fear now. He believes he can hang, and he will eventually start beating more players that used to beat him, and Fed Ex included, in my estimation.

After all, players should stick with the one they brought to the dance, and in Ivo's case, his serve is his partner. And just like it's Roddick's. We'd have to be pretty slow tennis fans not to understand that w/o the serve Roddick has, he'd lose more than he won. May haps, that is the reason Lubi hasn't done as well this year as last. And this is why Mario wants to perfect his serve. Serving in this game is huge. And, I for one don't begrudge anyone that wins easy points or hits many aces off of it. The point of tennis is to win more points w/i a game to secure the game, and if the serve is helping that cause, stick to it until the opp to break is there. And a duh!

All players should try to improve their serves, in order that they hold their own.

marcRD
11-01-2007, 12:38 AM
Federer really wanted to bagel Karlovic in the 3rd set, he had that look in his eyes and his returns on 1st serves where sublime, some of the best returns I have ever seen. Federer was just throwing himself to get angled 130-140 mph bombs and getting it back at Karlovics feet quite often. I think he had bps in every serve game of Karlovic in that set.

Magus13
11-01-2007, 12:41 AM
In the third set Ivo had one chance to get to 3-3,didnt take it and that was.But anyway,great play and effort by Ivo :yeah: Fantastic season.Good luck in 2008 :D

As for the surface...It's an embarrassment for tennis when you see this kind of surface indoors.:wavey:

:bigcry::baby: :bigcry: :baby: :bigcry: :baby: :bigcry: :baby:

tennizen
11-01-2007, 01:34 AM
I find Fed's honesty refreshing. In his post match interview when asked about Nalby he said "Thank god he cooled off in Basel, my friend Wawrinka beat him,I will ask him for advice" :worship:

NYCtennisfan
11-01-2007, 01:39 AM
Federer some how, some way returned Ivo's serve by reacting to them rather than guessing. Amazing job of returning.

On another note, Ivo's game has improved so much. He's no longer an easy love hold. No, he's not a big threat to win return games against the top players, but he is also not the same guy who could barely win a point on return against players ranked outside of the top 100. It will be interesting to see what he does in the slams next year.

Merton
11-01-2007, 01:41 AM
Nice returning from Roger but a certain lack of concentration from the ground, perhaps because he believed there was no danger from Ivo there. Ivo was not at his best serving but certainly getting broken 3 times is quite impressive.

SerenaFederer
11-01-2007, 01:54 AM
didn't get to watch it...stupid ESPN :rolleyes: but great going Roger :banana: plz shalack David tomorrow :angel:

Greenday
11-01-2007, 02:00 AM
roddick wouldn't even be in top 100 if it isn't for the serve. so STFU.
BTW i loved the way federer hammered him at australian open.(very slow surface.) which included a bagel. Wow not bad from someone is world number 5. :lol:
where as karlovic managed to take a set off him here.(slower than Rebound ace.?) put up a good fight here.


hahaha.......I dont care a damn abt roddick........but i stick to my word.........guys like karlovic and isner are disgrace to tennis.....

wat do u mean karlovic raised his level in the second set........he won one point on fed's serve apart from the game where he broke fed..is tht wat u call raising the level?..and in tht game fed made 3 forehand errors.......wat level do u need to go to break an opponent when he himself makes 3 UE's......and u predicted karlovic's victory yesterday bcoz its a slow surface.........man u r hilarious

Ivo#1Fan
11-01-2007, 02:06 AM
hahaha.......I dont care a damn abt roddick........but i stick to my word.........guys like karlovic and isner are disgrace to tennis.....

wat do u mean karlovic raised his level in the second set........he won one point on fed's serve apart from the game where he broke fed..is tht wat u call raising the level?..and in tht game fed made 3 forehand errors.......wat level do u need to go to break an opponent when he himself makes 3 UE's......and u predicted karlovic's victory yesterday bcoz its a slow surface.........man u r hilarious

Why is he a disgrace to tennis??? Did you watch him beat Blake last week. It was very impressive, much much more than just serve. He was winning plenty of rallies and getting into the net and making amazing volleys. Once upon a time Ivo was pretty much all serve, but wake up and watch him sometime. The guy has game now! He got 10 points off Fed's serve in the 1st set. As for what level do you need to be to break serve when the opponent makes 3 UE's?? Well you've got to return the serve and give your opponent the opportunity to make the UE, and you've got to be a pretty high level to return Roger's 1st serves.

Greenday
11-01-2007, 02:14 AM
Why is he a disgrace to tennis??? Did you watch him beat Blake last week. It was very impressive, much much more than just serve. He was winning plenty of rallies and getting into the net and making amazing volleys. Once upon a time Ivo was pretty much all serve, but wake up and watch him sometime. The guy has game now! He got 10 points off Fed's serve in the 1st set. As for what level do you need to be to break serve when the opponent makes 3 UE's?? Well you've got to return the serve and give your opponent the opportunity to make the UE, and you've got to be a pretty high level to return Roger's 1st serves.

I watched him today!....See..he is 6'10 and he is making use of his hieight..its not his fault or anything....He has an amazing serve and a pretty mediocre ground game and decent volleys.......thts abt it....atleast thts how i feel.......no offense

Ivo#1Fan
11-01-2007, 02:22 AM
I watched him today!....See..he is 6'10 and he is making use of his hieight..its not his fault or anything....He has an amazing serve and a pretty mediocre ground game and decent volleys.......thts abt it....atleast thts how i feel.......no offense

OK fair enough, I didn't see today's match. I still don't see why you consider it a disgrace to tennis. I did see him play Fed this summer in a windy outdoor match and I admit Ivo looked terrible there. Fed's a tough matchup for him. But I've seen several matches this year (Blake match last week, Roddick match this summer) where Ivo's looked like a damn good tennis player irregardless of serve. He more than held his own in rallies and excelled at the net.

HNCS
11-01-2007, 04:01 AM
I find Fed's honesty refreshing. In his post match interview when asked about Nalby he said "Thank god he cooled off in Basel, my friend Wawrinka beat him,I will ask him for advice" :worship:

this guys just never ceases to amaze me. this is a good as the ATP tour gets, :worship:

prima donna
11-01-2007, 04:43 AM
Hahaha.

Federerhingis
11-01-2007, 04:51 AM
The match was a lot closer than the score would suggest. Ivo played very well you could tell he's having an awesome 2007 and an amazing indoor season. I mean the guy has really improved his ground strokes, it was funny for most if not the latter parts including most of the early parts of the third set he was trading ground stroke for ground stroke with Federer.

Federer's forehand at times looked lacking in both the length and pace department, as some pointed out he was playing a bit too cautiously and tentatively at times. Of late Federer's forehand has not been impressive, for most of this latter part of the season his serve has been his best ally and true weapon. If it weren't for his serve, variety and excellent slice he would have lost a lot more matches than even the rather plenty that he has already lost for his standard this season.

Sunset of Age
11-01-2007, 10:27 AM
Federer really wanted to bagel Karlovic in the 3rd set, he had that look in his eyes and his returns on 1st serves where sublime, some of the best returns I have ever seen.

That was obvious, indeed. Good to see Feds trying to play his best tennis.
But what the %#@*$? got into him at the end of that second set? Losing COUNT? That's one of the most hilarious moments of "Fed in Mirkaland" that I've ever seen. :lol:

elessar
11-01-2007, 10:35 AM
That was obvious, indeed. Good to see Feds trying to play his best tennis.
But what the %#@*$? got into him at the end of that second set? Losing COUNT? That's one of the most hilarious moments of "Fed in Mirkaland" that I've ever seen. :lol:

In his defense the Scoreboard in Bercy was screwing up a lot that day, and Karlovic hadn't realised he'd won the set either, but still it was pretty funny to see professionnal tennis players losing counts of the games played.:lol:

Beat
11-01-2007, 11:10 AM
no tie-breaks?????? :eek: ;)

mineralwater
11-01-2007, 11:59 AM
Saw the match, Karlovic ground shots definitely improved but he's a grinder at the baseline, he's so tall he can reach any ball in like 2 strides. just gets the ball back in play and waits for the other guy to make an error. His net play is not bad at all.
Federer doesn't like playing against these sorts of players, gets frustrated and makes errors. (although yesterday- not too many). Grinder with Mega serve = nightmare for Roger so I think he was v relieved to get through. He didnt seem to enjoy the match much and under that cool facade - his blood must have been boiling.

By the way - lobbing a 6'10 guy indoors! how cool was that

Apemant
11-01-2007, 12:28 PM
By the way - lobbing a 6'10 guy indoors! how cool was that

:lol: truth be told, though, Ivo thought it was going long so he didn't even try to jump to hit it. I'm not convinced he wouldn't be able if he tried :devil:

Anyway, Federer indeed doesn't like playing him, who does? :shrug: With the likes of Ivo you just can't be 'confident' too much because you just can't expect to break him unless his 1st serve percentage drops, and it's not something that depends on you or your game. So basically you just have to hope, and feeling that your destiny isn't in your hands must be rather irritating.

Sunset of Age
11-01-2007, 12:55 PM
In his defense the Scoreboard in Bercy was screwing up a lot that day, and Karlovic hadn't realised he'd won the set either, but still it was pretty funny to see professionnal tennis players losing counts of the games played.:lol:

Thanks, didn't notice the scoreboard screwed up - but it is indeed funny, two pro players losing count - overconcentration, I guess.

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
11-01-2007, 02:20 PM
I wish the NBA will buy Karlovic. Tennis players would be grateful.

mineralwater
11-01-2007, 02:44 PM
It's funny, I noticed Ivo is not really well liked amongst fans (except for a handful of course). Why is this? is it just his tennis or something else? He's supposed to be a really nice person.
I'm not that keen on him just because I find his tennis a bit dull but admire him for rapidly improving this year

Sunset of Age
11-01-2007, 02:48 PM
It's funny, I noticed Ivo is not really well liked amongst fans (except for a handful of course). Why is this? is it just his tennis or something else? He's supposed to be a really nice person.
I'm not that keen on him just because I find his tennis a bit dull but admire him for rapidly improving this year

I think it's his tennis that puts off a lot of people - he still has the aura of being this One Trick (= serve) Pony, while a blind horse should be able to see he's improved a lot lately, and surely has more to offer than 'just' a serve.
He seems to be a nice guy as well... so, yes, I like him.

Ivo#1Fan
11-01-2007, 03:24 PM
It's funny, I noticed Ivo is not really well liked amongst fans (except for a handful of course). Why is this? is it just his tennis or something else? He's supposed to be a really nice person.
I'm not that keen on him just because I find his tennis a bit dull but admire him for rapidly improving this year

This is a pretty harsh message board in general. An awful lot of MTF posters seem to get off on posting negative comments and trying to upset other posters by bashing their favorite players. A year ago anytime an Ivo thread came up you'd find at least 5 or 6 hateful people saying he should be banned from tennis. MTF posters have actually really warmed up to Ivo over the past year. Now he's got a solid core of serious fans on MTF and now you just come across an occasional negative posting, maybe one per thread. I think it's that more people have actually watched him play and see that he does have a lot more to his game than just the huge serve. Also he comes across as an extremely intelligent and nice guy and he represents himself well on and off court. You won't see any outburst at the umpire from Ivo or any disrespect toward his opponent.

luzkoz
11-01-2007, 04:26 PM
Congratulations Roger!!!:D

Magus13
11-01-2007, 04:46 PM
What happens is most players fans can be over the top so what MTF does is attack their player as a way to get at the "tard". Personally I'm impressed by Ivo and respect how he has improved and made the most of his physical abillities and limitations. Top 20 definately, top 10 not convinced........yet.

brent-o
11-01-2007, 04:52 PM
Federer has dropped lots more sets this year than we're used to seeing. Which is okay because he often still wins and people are wrong to expect absolute perfection every time he steps on the court.