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Joke's Injury

Magus13
10-31-2007, 05:35 PM
Joke revealed after the match thet he recently had oral surgery and was still on medication. This made it hard for him to move on court and play effectively. If that was the case he should NEVER have played Paris and messed up the draw the way he did. Their are players fighting for Shanghai and it hurt them when a high seed either tanks or gives away points to another player. It's strange how this just came out, but with him you never know.

l_mac
10-31-2007, 05:36 PM
He had two wisdom teeth removed, not foot surgery.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/10/31/tennis.paris/index.html?section=cnn_latest

If he was only feeling 30% fit, then he probably shouldn't have played.

WTH is he doing scheduling dental work between two Masters Series events anyway?

Lee
10-31-2007, 05:39 PM
He had two wisdom teeth removed, not foot surgery.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/10/31/tennis.paris/index.html?section=cnn_latest

If he was only feeling 30% fit, then he probably shouldn't have played.

WTH is he doing scheduling dental work between two Masters Series events anyway?

I removed my first 2 wisdom teeth and I could go shopping right afterward with no pain killer. When I removed my last wisdom tooth just before Christmas, I was the most miserable person of the world over 2 weeks.

You just never know. :shrug:

Magus13
10-31-2007, 05:40 PM
Thanks corrected it.

Magus13
10-31-2007, 05:43 PM
Too much trick or treating with his Batman Costume.

Merton
10-31-2007, 05:43 PM
It is obvious he should not play in Paris but given the terms of the bonus pool requiring top players to show up it is understandable that he did.

Sunset of Age
10-31-2007, 05:44 PM
I removed my first 2 wisdom teeth and I could go shopping right afterward with no pain killer. When I removed my last wisdom tooth just before Christmas, I was the most miserable person of the world over 2 weeks.

You just never know. :shrug:

yep - this kind of surgery can have very varying effects. You just don't know how it's going to work out.

But in the end... if Djoko didn't feel up to the job, He. Should. Not. Have. Played! :mad:

Magus13
10-31-2007, 05:48 PM
It is obvious he should not play in Paris but given the terms of the bonus pool requiring top players to show up it is understandable that he did.

Or he could respect the integrity of the sport, not collect his bonus (as he has made a fortune this year and should do so in the future) and withdraw in order to prepare for the Masters. Or hold of on getting wisdom teeth pulled or not use as a reason for losing and suck it up.

guga2120
10-31-2007, 05:50 PM
You knew something had to be up, with him losing like this on a HC.

buddyholly
10-31-2007, 06:19 PM
Joke revealed after the match thet he recently had oral surgery and was still on medication. This made it hard for him to move on court and play effectively. If that was the case he should NEVER have played Paris and messed up the draw the way he did. Their are players fighting for Shanghai and it hurt them when a high seed either tanks or gives away points to another player. It's strange how this just came out, but with him you never know.

Santoro has a bad knee. Should he have withdrawn?

I think you are just pissed, because you wanted Djokovic to take out Murray and help Blake. Get over it.

R.Federer
10-31-2007, 06:25 PM
Give some credit to Fabrice. It's not like Djerky is unbeatable or something. Yeah he was under the weather, but he can be beaten even otherwise. Fabrice plays tricks with people's games, and so good for him !

smitty8
10-31-2007, 06:27 PM
He should've scheduled the surgery after the season is over. Of course, I'm not sure he has enough sense to do that.

fmolinari2005
10-31-2007, 06:30 PM
Wow! Shock defeat and surgery. Djoko might be the real number one ...

Tommy fan
10-31-2007, 06:34 PM
So why did he play?? Stupid decision :shrug:

Other player could get a seeding and then everything would have changed in the race..

Fee
10-31-2007, 07:23 PM
It's possible that the wisdom tooth surgery was not scheduled, that something happened to him and it needed to be done right away.

aeronatasha
10-31-2007, 07:34 PM
It's possible that the wisdom tooth surgery was not scheduled, that something happened to him and it needed to be done right away.

Exactly. I had my wisdom tooth removed few months ago, and it came out of nowhere. One day it was fine, the next my head was swollen and inflated, and I had to take antibiotics for a week before it had reduced back to normal, because you cannot have a surgery done otherwise (it might cause an infection cause it's connected with sinuses). The whole thing can end up really tricky and painful if you don't treat it with proper care.

*Viva Chile*
10-31-2007, 08:04 PM
He had two wisdom teeth removed, not foot surgery.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/10/31/tennis.paris/index.html?section=cnn_latest

If he was only feeling 30% fit, then he probably shouldn't have played.

WTH is he doing scheduling dental work between two Masters Series events anyway?

I like Djoko, but I have to say, as a dentist am I, that if you had oral surgery recently you cannot do any type of exercise in at least one week, much more considering he is doing a professional sport, because he is concurring in risk of having different grades of hemorrhage. Simply he might had to withdraw from Paris if he was intervened. Plus, I suppose he's on antibiotic therapy. Very irresponsible from him :rolleyes:

I imagine (for his age) that Djoko had actually a third molar's acute pericoronitis (It occurs when a wisdom tooth, usually mandibular ones, has failed to erupt completely through the gum bed, allowing bacteria into an open space around the tooth, causing infection), if I were his doctor I had to indicate pharmological treatment with antibiotics and painkillers and pospose the surgery after the TMC, but I suppose that the pain was huge and (Nole) decides to have the surgery as soon as possible. Neither of what I described justified of why the hell he played there :o

mashamaniac
10-31-2007, 08:56 PM
You knew something had to be up, with him losing like this on a HC.

and with fabrice you don't know what will happen,do you?:wavey:

Clara Bow
10-31-2007, 09:09 PM
as much as I like Djoko, and as a dentist as I am, I have to say that you had oral surgery recently you cannot do any type of exercise in at least one week, much more considering he is doing a professional sport because he is concurring in risk of having different grades of hemorrhage. Simply he had to withdraw from Paris if he was intervened, plus I suppose he's on antibiotic therapy. Very irresponsible from him :rolleyes:

I imagine (for his age) that Djoko had actually a third molar's acute pericoronitis, if I were his doctor I had to indicate pharmological treatment with antibiotics and painkillers and pospose the surgery after the TMC, but I suppose that the pain was huge and decides to do the surgery as soon as possible. Neither of what I described justified of why the hell he played there :o

Thanks for your informed professional opinion. :D

pesto
10-31-2007, 09:09 PM
A $500 000 bonus puts a huge pressure on him to play. If he'd had the emergency surgery and felt as well as could be expected afterwards, I can see how he would be tempted to play on, more-or-less sleepwalking through the match.

Also, if he thought there was a possibility he could have won, even being below par, the 15 points would have been tempting, to keep in touch with Nadal.

He may have reasoned that he doesn't play tennis with his teeth, and not thought he was risking much, but also not have been dreadfully upset at losing, given the recent dental surgery.

alfonsojose
10-31-2007, 09:48 PM
A very, very stupid decision by Djokob*tch :zzz:

trixtah
10-31-2007, 09:53 PM
as much as I like Djoko, and as a dentist as I am, I have to say that you had oral surgery recently you cannot do any type of exercise in at least one week, much more considering he is doing a professional sport because he is concurring in risk of having different grades of hemorrhage. Simply he had to withdraw from Paris if he was intervened, plus I suppose he's on antibiotic therapy. Very irresponsible from him :rolleyes:

I imagine (for his age) that Djoko had actually a third molar's acute pericoronitis, if I were his doctor I had to indicate pharmological treatment with antibiotics and painkillers and pospose the surgery after the TMC, but I suppose that the pain was huge and decides to do the surgery as soon as possible. Neither of what I described justified of why the hell he played there :o

I could barely follow that with all the diction and grammar errors but thanks for the information :)

alfonsojose
10-31-2007, 09:53 PM
as much as I like Djoko, and as a dentist as I am, I have to say that you had oral surgery recently you cannot do any type of exercise in at least one week, much more considering he is doing a professional sport because he is concurring in risk of having different grades of hemorrhage. Simply he had to withdraw from Paris if he was intervened, plus I suppose he's on antibiotic therapy. Very irresponsible from him :rolleyes:

I imagine (for his age) that Djoko had actually a third molar's acute pericoronitis, if I were his doctor I had to indicate pharmological treatment with antibiotics and painkillers and pospose the surgery after the TMC, but I suppose that the pain was huge and decides to do the surgery as soon as possible. Neither of what I described justified of why the hell he played there :o

Thanks for the info. Don't know why, but the accurate and precise way you explained turned me on. Doctors :devil: Are u a guy :drool: ?

akrobata
10-31-2007, 10:11 PM
as much as I like Djoko, and as a dentist as I am, I have to say that you had oral surgery recently you cannot do any type of exercise in at least one week, much more considering he is doing a professional sport because he is concurring in risk of having different grades of hemorrhage. Simply he had to withdraw from Paris if he was intervened, plus I suppose he's on antibiotic therapy. Very irresponsible from him :rolleyes:

I imagine (for his age) that Djoko had actually a third molar's acute pericoronitis, if I were his doctor I had to indicate pharmological treatment with antibiotics and painkillers and pospose the surgery after the TMC, but I suppose that the pain was huge and decides to do the surgery as soon as possible. Neither of what I described justified of why the hell he played there :o

You talk as if you were the one to take his wisdom teeth out. He had 2 wisdom teeth taken out! I had the same thing done last year, was under painkillers for two days and that was it! I wasn't on any "pharmological treatment with antibiotics" as you point out. But, I'm no dentist. :rolleyes:

So it just depends on how each person responds. I guess he thought he should take a chance, it's not like he was going out to play Federer, plus there's the bonus money thing.

jan-moline
10-31-2007, 10:19 PM
It is obvious he should not play in Paris but given the terms of the bonus pool requiring top players to show up it is understandable that he did.


I've seen references to bonuses connected with this tournament. Unfortunately, I'm ignorant other than knowing ATP makes top players show up.

Would someone kindly enlighten me? How big is this bonus pool? What are the terms of the bonus pool? How do they split it up? :confused:

eck
10-31-2007, 10:23 PM
I got one wisdom tooth removed, felt bad for one day, and the next few days, the stitch smelled shit, and that was about it.
...
So, why did he bother playing 30% and getting embarrased?
I hope money wasn't the issue, but if it is, what a tool :rolleyes:

Fee
10-31-2007, 10:23 PM
For this year, the ATP offered a bonus pool to the top 4 players if they played Paris - 1.5 mil, 1 mil, 750,000 and 500,000. All 4 played their first round matches, so they will all get paid.

jan-moline
10-31-2007, 10:41 PM
For this year, the ATP offered a bonus pool to the top 4 players if they played Paris - 1.5 mil, 1 mil, 750,000 and 500,000. All 4 played their first round matches, so they will all get paid.


Thanks for the explanation.

That also explains why Roddick begged off. :rolleyes:

The whole thing sounds insane to me. 3.75M (Euros?) to get four guys to show up and play one match apiece? I suppose it makes the promoters and fans happy.

I'm mildly surprised the money doesn't get split up amongst the rest of the seeds, too. I assume the various lots get paid out on the basis of tournament results, right?

Thanks again.

Fee
10-31-2007, 10:46 PM
Roddick pulled because he is being overly cautious for Davis Cup and he was already qualified for Shanghai. Not happy about it at all, but I can see his thought process on this one.

From what I've seen, the bonus amounts were paid out by their rankings, not their results in the tournament. Novak got $750,000.

*Viva Chile*
11-01-2007, 01:56 AM
You talk as if you were the one to take his wisdom teeth out. He had 2 wisdom teeth taken out! I had the same thing done last year, was under painkillers for two days and that was it! I wasn't on any "pharmological treatment with antibiotics" as you point out. But, I'm no dentist. :rolleyes:

So it just depends on how each person responds. I guess he thought he should take a chance, it's not like he was going out to play Federer, plus there's the bonus money thing.

usually if you have retained or semi-retained third molars, you do the surgery of the maxilar and mandibular third molars from one side in a first surgical time (for example, this month) and then, the next month, the two second ones from the other side. ;)

Magus13
11-01-2007, 02:38 AM
Santoro has a bad knee. Should he have withdrawn?

I think you are just pissed, because you wanted Djokovic to take out Murray and help Blake. Get over it.

You got me. That's what I was hoping for. Tool.

Santoro played well and won and if he lost probably wouldn't bring up his knee. Either don't play hurt or if you do don't use it as reason for losing. Right now he looks like a mercenary who came to pick up a check and go home.

Fee
11-01-2007, 02:42 AM
Have you ever gone to work sick and stumbled through the day, less than 100% productive? You got paid for being there, attempting to get even one task completed despite your foggy head. Are you a mercenary?

my0118
11-01-2007, 09:28 AM
You talk as if you were the one to take his wisdom teeth out. He had 2 wisdom teeth taken out! I had the same thing done last year, was under painkillers for two days and that was it! I wasn't on any "pharmological treatment with antibiotics" as you point out. But, I'm no dentist. :rolleyes:

So it just depends on how each person responds. I guess he thought he should take a chance, it's not like he was going out to play Federer, plus there's the bonus money thing.

Exactly. All BSs that pulling out wisdom teeth affected his play. I had my teeth total 8 (4 wisdom teeth and the others 4 for orthodontia) pulled out, everytime when I pulled them out, it affected me just one day, and then next, it's totally normal. Maybe felt a bit of weird because the tongue felt something missed, but that was all.

yeh yeh
11-01-2007, 10:42 AM
you lot are like old granny's if he had pulled out you would of said he was a flop and that he had no heart. at least the guy made the effort not like fed and nadal of recent years. come on this guy has played the most matches this year and won the most might i add
bunch of granny's

my0118
11-01-2007, 10:59 AM
you lot are like old granny's if he had pulled out you would of said he was a flop and that he had no heart. at least the guy made the effort not like fed and nadal of recent years. come on this guy has played the most matches this year and won the most might i add
bunch of granny's

:retard: always will be :retard:
I wouldn't say he had no heart. If he had not played in Paris for Shanhai or something, I would've said it would be understandable. He took $$ and then tanked. Plus Federer doesn't play many tournamnets, but he's playing three weeks in a row while Djoko's rested more than a week, but Fed hasn't yet tanked for $$ or whatever reasons like Djokovic.
I might have like old granny's teeth, but you have like old granny's eyes.

yeh yeh
11-01-2007, 12:07 PM
:retard: always will be :retard:
I wouldn't say he had no heart. If he had not played in Paris for Shanhai or something, I would've said it would be understandable. He took $$ and then tanked. Plus Federer doesn't play many tournamnets, but he's playing three weeks in a row while Djoko's rested more than a week, but Fed hasn't yet tanked for $$ or whatever reasons like Djokovic.
I might have like old granny's teeth, but you have like old granny's eyes.


cant seem to understnad your broken english there

my0118
11-01-2007, 01:51 PM
cant seem to understnad your broken english there

you mean that 'understand' is actually spelled as 'understnad', I get it.

nobama
11-01-2007, 02:26 PM
Thanks for the explanation.

That also explains why Roddick begged off. :rolleyes:

The whole thing sounds insane to me. 3.75M (Euros?) to get four guys to show up and play one match apiece? I suppose it makes the promoters and fans happy.

I'm mildly surprised the money doesn't get split up amongst the rest of the seeds, too. I assume the various lots get paid out on the basis of tournament results, right?

Thanks again.I believe the requirements were they had to have played in 8 of the 9 masters, INCLUDING Madrid and Paris. I'm not sure if the bonus pool goes beyond the top 4 in the race at the end of the year. ATP website only mentioned bonus $$ for top 4 players.

I'm not sure why Djokovic would want to tank though. He didn't play last week. If he did well in Paris and TMC he'd have a real shot at #2 going into next year.

trixtah
11-01-2007, 02:30 PM
Exactly. All BSs that pulling out wisdom teeth affected his play. I had my teeth total 8 (4 wisdom teeth and the others 4 for orthodontia) pulled out, everytime when I pulled them out, it affected me just one day, and then next, it's totally normal. Maybe felt a bit of weird because the tongue felt something missed, but that was all.

It's different for everyone. I had one tooth pulled that didn't affect me at all and the other pulled that fucked me sideways for a week and a half.

Sunset of Age
11-01-2007, 02:49 PM
It's different for everyone. I had one tooth pulled that didn't affect me at all and the other pulled that fucked me sideways for a week and a half.

Indeed - it would be most welcome if more posters realized that if they encountered no problems after a certain treatment, that doesn't mean that that is the case for everyone.

akrobata
11-01-2007, 02:51 PM
you lot are like old granny's if he had pulled out you would of said he was a flop and that he had no heart. at least the guy made the effort not like fed and nadal of recent years. come on this guy has played the most matches this year and won the most might i add
bunch of granny's

Totally agree with you!

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Making such a big deal out of this! He had teeth pulled out, didn't feel well, decided to give it a try, lost! MOVE ON PEOPLE!!!
And what's with the title of the thread?!?! Injury - WTF? He wasn't injured, he was not feeling well - there's a difference.

my0118
11-01-2007, 02:54 PM
It's different for everyone. I had one tooth pulled that didn't affect me at all and the other pulled that fucked me sideways for a week and a half.

Well you're right. But I mean this should be no excuses for him tanking.

Lee
11-01-2007, 04:02 PM
Well you're right. But I mean this should be no excuses for him tanking.

If he's under the influence of pain medication, how can you say he tanked? :tape:

Pain killers can be very powerful too. Once I had a flu which made my body aches all over (actually everytime I had a flu, my whole body aches) and my doctor prescribed codiene. I had to lie in bed all the time. Let's say the drug made me worse than suffering the pain. :p

ReturnWinner
11-01-2007, 04:07 PM
what was his problem exactly , just remove some tooth??? could not he wait until the end of the masters cup to do that????

my0118
11-01-2007, 04:08 PM
If he's under the influence of pain medication, how can you say he tanked? :tape:

Pain killers can be very powerful too. Once I had a flu which made my body aches all over (actually everytime I had a flu, my whole body aches) and my doctor prescribed codiene. I had to lie in bed all the time. Let's say the drug made me worse than suffering the pain. :p

Okay Lee, you're Djoko's fan while I'm a hater so I guess we're never going to agree on that with my broken english. :lol:

Let's move on. :p ;)

Bobby
11-01-2007, 04:25 PM
what was his problem exactly , just remove some tooth??? could not he wait until the end of the masters cup to do that????

Or maybe he wanted to have the tooth removed now, so that it wouldn't bother him during TMC. Who knows. Maybe it was getting worse and the surgery had to be done. You can't always make a schedule with wisdom teeth. According to my experience, they can be fine one day and hurt like hell the next. When my wisdom teeth were removed, I was quite ill for some time.

*Viva Chile*
11-01-2007, 04:53 PM
Exactly. All BSs that pulling out wisdom teeth affected his play. I had my teeth total 8 (4 wisdom teeth and the others 4 for orthodontia) pulled out, everytime when I pulled them out, it affected me just one day, and then next, it's totally normal. Maybe felt a bit of weird because the tongue felt something missed, but that was all.

not all post-surgical are the same, it depends with the patient own conditions ;)

Jelena_78
11-01-2007, 05:37 PM
So why did he play?? Stupid decision :shrug:

Other player could get a seeding and then everything would have changed in the race..

I think Fed withdrew in the last moment last year,when the draw was already made,and was replaced by Gabashvilli(LL),...other players could have got a seeding,too...those thins happen...;)

MaryX
11-01-2007, 08:37 PM
what was his problem exactly , just remove some tooth??? could not he wait until the end of the masters cup to do that????

I don't know about that, I don't even know if there was any surgery, but I know he will be the first one arriving in Shanghai, in order to prepare better and faster than others...:devil:

yeh yeh
08-22-2008, 01:18 AM
hoh hoh, dvd my son

Topspin Forehand
08-22-2008, 01:50 AM
Tough break for Djokovic. J/K I know this is an old thread. :D

lina_seta
08-22-2008, 02:21 AM
Too much trick or treating with his Batman Costume.

funny, i always saw him as robin :cool: