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So, Davydenko gets a warning for "lack of best effort" while Nole pockets $750k?

Horatio Caine
10-31-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm relying on reports from you guys here, but it sounds like Nole was completely disinterested.

Why, then, was he not warned, when the Tour was prepared to give Davydenko shit only a week ago, just because he served 10 double faults in 1.5 sets? :retard:

Double standards, or what? For once, I feel sorry for Davydenko, who seems to be the scapegoat in all of this.

schorsch
10-31-2007, 02:37 PM
Well yeah... Its weird. I mean this was just like against Moya some time ago. Sometimes Nole seems to tank matches, coz there are more important ones to come. Like TMC now.

Magenta
10-31-2007, 02:38 PM
It's been less than half an hour since the match occurred.

Don't be so upset, they have time to fine him if they deem it appropriate :rolleyes:

rofe
10-31-2007, 02:39 PM
I agree about the double standards. It was obvious that Novak's game was all about "lack of effort" today.

TheBoiledEgg
10-31-2007, 02:39 PM
of course DJoke will get away with it

he can speak good English whilst Kolya struggles to put 2 words together :rolleyes:

complete double standards

ATP now set a precedence and it should be same for all.

cant see it happening :o :o

buddyholly
10-31-2007, 02:40 PM
They should have a Djokovic/Davydenko matchup. Loser takes all!

Montego
10-31-2007, 02:42 PM
If they don't punish Djoke, but they punished Davydenko - it will mean that ATP is more idiotic than I previously thought. It was a complete crap by Novak, error after error, not running, not trying etc...

adee-gee
10-31-2007, 02:42 PM
Davydenko is a known crook, he doesn't deserve the same rights.

cmurray
10-31-2007, 02:43 PM
he gets $500,000. Raf gets $750,000.

nobama
10-31-2007, 02:43 PM
I agree about the double standards. It was obvious that Novak's game was all about "lack of effort" today.:o

Better not see the same from Roger today. :(

mangoes
10-31-2007, 02:43 PM
He should be fined. It couldn't be more obvious that he just didn't care about winning today.

TheBoiledEgg
10-31-2007, 02:43 PM
Davydenko is a known crook, he doesn't deserve the same rights.

no evidence to prove it :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
10-31-2007, 02:44 PM
If they don't punish Djoke, but they punished Davydenko - it will mean that ATP is more idiotic than I previously thought. It was a complete crap by Novak, error after error, not running, not trying etc...

Fully agree...!

TMJordan
10-31-2007, 02:44 PM
It's not the same because Davydenko is a fixer, he has no rights and noone will trust him.

But still tanking is such bullshit and Nole should get a nice fine.

my0118
10-31-2007, 02:44 PM
Davydenko should improve his impersonating skills for avoiding getting fined..

schorsch
10-31-2007, 02:45 PM
No, thats not true. Especially cause there's no evidence that Davydenko had something to do with the Betfair affair. Even if he did he deserves the same treatment. THe umpire fined him only because of his assumptions anyway. And he's supposed to be obective and take it one match a time IMO. So screw all of them.

adee-gee
10-31-2007, 02:46 PM
No, thats not true. Especially cause there's no evidence that Davydenko had something to do with the Betfair affair. Even if he did he deserves the same treatment. THe umpire fined him only because of his assumptions anyway.

The umpire didn't fine him, he warned him. The ATP fined him.

belco
10-31-2007, 02:48 PM
roger will say goodbye aswell

Saumon
10-31-2007, 02:56 PM
he gets $500,000. Raf gets $750,000.

And Roger gets the million? :p
No wonder the tix are more and more expensive. :sobbing:

Shrinking Violet
10-31-2007, 02:58 PM
Nole is a good looking, popular star who the ATP want to market. Davydenko is an odd looking, non-personality who seems to court controversy that the ATP doesn't like. It may not be fair, in fact there's no 'may' about it, it's not fair but unfortunately that's the way it's going to be. There are always going to be favoured sons who get the benefit of the doubt and then the others who get away with nothing. Also, there is the stigma around Davydenko, proven or otherwise about his behaviour in matches and mudsticks. Much the same way that Nole never gets the benefit of the doubt when he calls for an injury time out. Obviously it's much more servere in Davydenko's case, but he pissed too many people off to get balanced treatment.

I like Nole a lot, and I really dislike Davydenko but it is really unfair that there is one room for Nole, and another for him but, that's the way it goes sometimes. The stars always get preferential treatment.

cmurray
10-31-2007, 02:59 PM
And Roger gets the million? :p
No wonder the tix are more and more expensive. :sobbing:

Nope. Roger gets a million and a half. :rolleyes:

Can you say overpaid?

eieieishockey
10-31-2007, 03:18 PM
nole gets 500k for his great achievments this year, davydonkey got millions for match fixing...

but go on talking about double standards you "experts"...

AnnaK_4ever
10-31-2007, 03:24 PM
Nole is a good looking... Davydenko is an odd looking...

Djokovic is a good looking?
:spit: :haha:

Horatio Caine
10-31-2007, 03:26 PM
nole gets 500k for his great achievments this year, davydonkey got millions for match fixing...

but go on talking about double standards you "experts"...

Davydenko is innocent until proven guilty. I'd love to see you live in his shoes at the moment...I wonder what you'd be thinking / saying? :rolleyes:

TheBoiledEgg
10-31-2007, 03:28 PM
Djoke looks like a squashed hedgehog.

Rogiman
10-31-2007, 03:29 PM
Davydenko is innocent until proven guilty. I'd love to see you live in his shoes at the moment...I wonder what you'd be thinking / saying? :rolleyes:"Let's win the first set, then retire"...? :spit:

Horatio Caine
10-31-2007, 03:30 PM
"Let's win the first set, then retire"...? :spit:

I left myself a little open, there. :o

TheBoiledEgg
10-31-2007, 03:31 PM
Kolya should come onto court and play in a big afro :lol:

MariaV
10-31-2007, 03:32 PM
Djoke looks like a squashed hedgehog.

:spit: :rolls: So that's what a squashed hedgehog looks like. :rolls:

Lossi
10-31-2007, 03:33 PM
I'm a Novak fan, but if he tanked (I didn't watch, but it sounds like he did) he should be fined. Same goes for Roger and Rafa if they do it today as well.

Those bonuses are obscene anyway :tape:

MariaV
10-31-2007, 03:34 PM
Davydenko should improve his impersonating skills for avoiding getting fined..

Too big! :rolls: :worship: :bowdown:

Goonergal
10-31-2007, 03:36 PM
I'm a fan of Nole, but he deserves a fine after that showing today :tape:

Schu
10-31-2007, 03:41 PM
nole gets 500k for his great achievments this year, davydonkey got millions for match fixing...

but go on talking about double standards you "experts"...

I REALLY don't like either Nole or "Davydonkey" but you don't have to be an "expert" to see the double standard here. And although I think Davy was on the take, whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty" ...

Lee
10-31-2007, 03:48 PM
I did not watch the match but every reports from Nole's fans watching the match said he was not trying.

What a shame, Novak! He should not receive any bonus and should be fined if that's the case.

Pea
10-31-2007, 03:56 PM
Djoke looks like a squashed hedgehog.

:lol: Squashed from the sides.

cmurray
10-31-2007, 03:58 PM
:lol: Squashed from the sides.

That's just mean. :haha: Funny, but mean.

Margy
10-31-2007, 04:23 PM
I watched the match on the tennis channel and the commentaters (I'm not sure who they are since they remained off camera) touched on this topic. They mentioned the Davydenko incident and said all matches this week are being evaluated by a panel of former players to determine if any players are not playing to their best effort. They said it will be interesting to see what that panel makes of the match. They did not say what penalties, fines, etc will be given if the panel determines that a player tanked.

Bilbo
10-31-2007, 04:32 PM
Nole is a good looking, popular star

Nole is good looking? :lol: good one, mate :yeah:

Merton
10-31-2007, 05:40 PM
I did not watch the match but every reports from Nole's fans watching the match said he was not trying.

What a shame, Novak! He should not receive any bonus and should be fined if that's the case.

The bonus is related to effort for the entire season, a fine should be enough but I would be very surprised if that happened.

ezekiel
10-31-2007, 06:08 PM
Nole is a good looking, popular star who the ATP want to market. Davydenko is an odd looking, non-personality who seems to court controversy that the ATP doesn't like. It may not be fair, in fact there's no 'may' about it, it's not fair but unfortunately that's the way it's going to be. There are always going to be favoured sons who get the benefit of the doubt and then the others who get away with nothing. Also, there is the stigma around Davydenko, proven or otherwise about his behaviour in matches and mudsticks. Much the same way that Nole never gets the benefit of the doubt when he calls for an injury time out. Obviously it's much more servere in Davydenko's case, but he pissed too many people off to get balanced treatment.

I like Nole a lot, and I really dislike Davydenko but it is really unfair that there is one room for Nole, and another for him but, that's the way it goes sometimes. The stars always get preferential treatment.

There may be some truth about these 2 guys but I wouldn't put it like that and I think that integrity and impartiality of the sport is the most important thing for ATP, indeed the only thing they care for on the daily basis or at least should.

In this case with Nole , this is probably a first case of him "not playIng" to win but if he shows dental slip and shows it was legit and urgent , it gives him benefit of the doubt and likely no sanctions

Il Primo Uomo
10-31-2007, 07:52 PM
Yes. Just shows how biased the tour is. :vomit:

Jaap
10-31-2007, 07:57 PM
Difference is - Davy is a dirty match fixer, Djoko is just a tanker.

kokot
10-31-2007, 08:00 PM
ok here it is.just saw bbc news and they said he had his wisdom tooth taken out,and he was under haevy medication,and thats why he got killed.as he said he was playin at 20% of his best.

enough said i hope...

ReturnWinner
10-31-2007, 08:04 PM
ok here it is.just saw bbc news and they said he had his wisdom tooth taken out,and he was under haevy medication,and thats why he got killed.as he said he was playin at 20% of his best.

enough said i hope...

yes but he should not have played if had that problem, he just wanted the $ bonus, not very nice but maybe he tried to see if he had some chances anyway

whereas Davydenko was different, besides remember Davydenko played an incredible first set...

DrJules
10-31-2007, 08:15 PM
I'm relying on reports from you guys here, but it sounds like Nole was completely disinterested.

Why, then, was he not warned, when the Tour was prepared to give Davydenko shit only a week ago, just because he served 10 double faults in 1.5 sets? :retard:

Double standards, or what? For once, I feel sorry for Davydenko, who seems to be the scapegoat in all of this.

We may not have heard the last.

Djokovic may be found guilty of not trying.

kokot
10-31-2007, 08:18 PM
yes but he should not have played if had that problem, he just wanted the $ bonus, not very nice but maybe he tried to see if he had some chances anyway

whereas Davydenko was different, besides remember Davydenko played an incredible first set...

yes he said hell try if he can but he couldnt...and he got his check.who can blaim him?who did he cheat?noone,only the betters who took him...and i fell bad for them,but to come here and bash him that he bounce the ball 30 times that he is wearing masks on haloween...well if his opponent is not complaining,me or u as spactator we can go somewhere...i think he just tryed,he saw he cant and he just let it go.trust me hell be reday for kina!

tangerine_dream
10-31-2007, 08:45 PM
Djoke looks like a squashed hedgehog.
Even a squashed hedgehog looks better than Davydenko.

Davydenko is a known crook, he doesn't deserve the same rights.
I agree with Mugadam. :p

Bobby
10-31-2007, 09:00 PM
yes but he should not have played if had that problem, he just wanted the $ bonus, not very nice but maybe he tried to see if he had some chances anyway

whereas Davydenko was different, besides remember Davydenko played an incredible first set...

Very much so. He should have known before the match whether he was able to play.

Bobby
10-31-2007, 09:05 PM
yes he said hell try if he can but he couldnt...and he got his check.who can blaim him?who did he cheat?noone,only the betters who took him...and i fell bad for them,but to come here and bash him that he bounce the ball 30 times that he is wearing masks on haloween...well if his opponent is not complaining,me or u as spactator we can go somewhere...i think he just tryed,he saw he cant and he just let it go.trust me hell be reday for kina!

What about all the spectators who bought expensive tickets hoping to see high class tennis? And what about the tournament organizers who paid him the appearance money. They pretty much paid for nothing. Professional tennis is not just about the players, it's also about the fans, sponsors, media and tournament staff etc. who ultimately make it all happen.

Wannabeknowitall
10-31-2007, 09:45 PM
Well you have to understand the history behind it and behind the player.

Santoro has annoyed the hell out of players until they want to say no mas for over 15 years.
He annoys the hell out of Hewitt and Safin. He has no consistentcy with the way he plays or his groundstrokes.
Djokovic probably knew he was off from the beginning of the match.
Against someone like Santoro he's fucked. Santoro is not going to give him any openings that will help him get his game back in sync.

Davydenko on the other hand has been looked upon for his lack of best effort already.
It's suspicious to me because Davydenko plays good in two places especially, Russia and Austria.
If he was struggling like he was then I would be alert to it as well.

Lee
10-31-2007, 09:46 PM
For posters said Djokovic should not play in his condition:

Professional tennis players are out there to make money. And that's too big a pot to just pass it. As Merton pointed out earlier, the extra money was for playing the master events this year and I think Djokovic is the player that give most to the master tournaments this year. Since he was not intentionally to tank his match, he deserves the bonus.

For spectators, that match is only one of the many matches for the day. It's no worse than Djokovic withdrew.

Moreover, Santoro is injuried too. He might have withdraw so why not Djokovic took the chance and tried if Fabrice could last thru the match. Anything could happen during the match. For Djokovic, playing the match would not make him sicker or further injuries, why not give it a try and see how his body responds?

eck
10-31-2007, 09:50 PM
He'll probably get away because of that tooth medication :o

ReturnWinner
10-31-2007, 09:53 PM
For posters said Djokovic should not play in his condition:

Professional tennis players are out there to make money. And that's too big a pot to just pass it. As Merton pointed out earlier, the extra money was for playing the master events this year and I think Djokovic is the player that give most to the master tournaments this year. Since he was not intentionally to tank his match, he deserves the bonus.

For spectators, that match is only one of the many matches for the day. It's no worse than Djokovic withdrew.

Moreover, Santoro is injuried too. He might have withdraw so why not Djokovic took the chance and tried if Fabrice could last thru the match. Anything could happen during the match. For Djokovic, playing the match would not make him sicker or further injuries, why not give it a try and see how his body responds?

yeah in that sense you are not very wrong, after all the money he is going to receive is about 750,000 dollars??

Fee
10-31-2007, 09:54 PM
What about all the spectators who bought expensive tickets hoping to see high class tennis? And what about the tournament organizers who paid him the appearance money. They pretty much paid for nothing. Professional tennis is not just about the players, it's also about the fans, sponsors, media and tournament staff etc. who ultimately make it all happen.

There were good matches before and after, and Masters Events are mandatory and don't pay appearance fees. The bonus that the Top 4 players got for coming to Paris was paid by the ATP.

He probably should not have played this match, but none of us are Novak Djokovic and we don't know why he (and possibly his team) decided to step on that court. Maybe it was about the bonus money, maybe he really thought he could get out there and play a decent match, or maybe the ATP pressured him to go out and make an effort. Whatever it was, I just hope he can get healthy and play much better in Shanghai. This has been a good year for tennis and it should end with the best Masters Cup final ever, with good matches in every round.

alfonsojose
10-31-2007, 10:11 PM
ATP sucks big time :o

dylan24
10-31-2007, 10:19 PM
if mr disney had any balls, he'd piss on novak's check before giving it to him.

Jozie
10-31-2007, 10:28 PM
OMG Santoro played brilliant tennis. How can you discredit him. Djoko was not the player you make out to be.... Why not give Santoro credit. Djoko was outplayed ...

oz_boz
10-31-2007, 10:39 PM
The squashed-from-the-sides hedgehog and the donkey are equally bad in tanking regard, but double standards rule.

El Legenda
11-01-2007, 02:16 AM
he wont be fined, he is good with Ljubicic...im sure Ivan will suggest no fine.

Action Jackson
11-01-2007, 03:05 AM
Kolya should come onto court and play in a big afro :lol:

You mean something like this TBE.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/svein_sveynsson/valderrdenko.jpg

Credit to J'torian.

Snowwy
11-01-2007, 03:47 AM
Difference is - Davy is a dirty match fixer, Djoko is just a tanker.

So youre saying its better to just lose by not trying than manipulate how you win?

ReturnWinner
11-01-2007, 03:57 AM
You mean something like this TBE.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/svein_sveynsson/valderrdenko.jpg

Credit to J'torian.

Valdedenko

Action Jackson
11-01-2007, 04:03 AM
Valdarrenko

Corey Feldman
11-01-2007, 04:08 AM
Djoko is just a tanker.Either that or Cockney rhyming slang for what you really think of him.

Alex999
11-01-2007, 04:21 AM
Either that or Cockney rhyming slang for what you really think of him.

Escude, you should be happy because Djoko did a big favor to Murray. He tanked his match for his good bud :devil:

Corey Feldman
11-01-2007, 04:28 AM
Alex, I think it was more that Nole was scared of getting a severe beating from the 1 time (Junior) Grand Slam champ :D

Alex999
11-01-2007, 04:31 AM
Alex, I think it was more that Nole was scared of getting a severe beating from the 1 time (Junior) Grand Slam champ :D

Ah, thanks for clarifying that for me, lol.

ASP0315
11-01-2007, 05:06 AM
Nole is disgrace to tennis.

I can't belive why this faker is still on tour.

Alex999
11-01-2007, 06:08 AM
Nole is disgrace to tennis.

I can't belive why this faker is still on tour.

I can't believe you are posting your BS here too, but it's OK, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

HNCS
11-01-2007, 06:12 AM
you're so disappointing nole!!! :( first the beard now this. :(

but i love santoro. so..i'm just gonna think santoro did his job and you didn't. :angel:

Bilbo
11-01-2007, 07:32 AM
smart move by djokovic going to the dentist right before when he needs to tank a match and/or help his buddy andy. now the ATP won't fine him and all fans believe him. to be honest i feel for all people who believe this clown. in my opinion it was all planned by him.

yomike
11-01-2007, 10:23 AM
Djokovic is an expert on gamemanship, maybe the umpire didn't notice he was only acting:tape:

my0118
11-01-2007, 10:42 AM
smart move by djokovic going to the dentist right before when he needs to tank a match and/or help his buddy andy. now the ATP won't fine him and all fans believe him. to be honest i feel for all people who believe this clown. in my opinion it was all planned by him.

No surprise here. He plays tennis by sticking the grab between his teeth.

Sean.J.S.
11-01-2007, 11:17 AM
This is so stupid. I feel extremely sorry for Kolya. How the fuck can you be fined for no effort? Does that mean every time somebody gets beaten badly, it means they aren't trying? :rolleyes:

Nole got thrashed by more than Kolya (in the match where Kolya was fined), and Nole doesn't get fined...absurd to say the least! :mad:

zcess81
11-01-2007, 12:41 PM
Nole is disgrace to tennis.

I can't belive why this faker is still on tour.

Maybe because he can hit more than 2 ground strokes, unlike Karlovic

zcess81
11-01-2007, 12:43 PM
Nole is disgrace to tennis.

I can't belive why this faker is still on tour.

Bad day for him...but if you were in his shoes would you really not play and throw away 750k??? Fair or not someone offers you that much money you take it.

Corey Feldman
11-01-2007, 01:43 PM
That saiprakash0315 quote really pissed you off eh zcess81 , you had to respond to it twice eh.

zcess81
11-01-2007, 02:05 PM
That saiprakash0315 quote really pissed you off eh zcess81 , you had to respond to it twice eh.

He knows how to get my attention.

Truc
11-02-2007, 11:52 AM
Davydenko said yesterday he didn't know about the rules of the bonus system, otherwise he wouldn't have pulled out of Madrid (he was there, he trained, but decided to withdraw because his elbow was hurting - he didn't know about the rule about having to play Madrid *and* Bercy). According to l'Équipe, he event wants to appeal because he says the players haven't been well-informed about that rule. He means he would have gone out there and played at least 2 rallies just to get the cash. :lol:

Caujolle (co-director of Bercy) is mad at Davydenko for saying that and calls it a provocation.
In the same time, Caujolle defends Djokovic with passion, says he obviously really wanted to play the tournament since he came with his family and had already asked for training facilities during the week, Caujolle also knows personally the agent who swears Djoko was totally sincere, blablablabla.

It's in l'Équipe today, but surely there are articles in English about it too?

leng jai
11-02-2007, 12:01 PM
Davydenko is my idol.

krystlel
11-02-2007, 12:03 PM
Davydenko said yesterday he didn't know about the rules of the bonus system, otherwise he wouldn't have pulled out of Madrid (he was there, he trained, but decided to withdraw because his elbow was hurting - he didn't know about the rule about having to play Madrid *and* Bercy). According to l'Équipe, he event wants to appeal because he says the players haven't been well-informed about that rule. He means he would have gone out there and played at least 2 rallies just to get the cash. :lol:
Davydenko should really keep his mouth shut about that. :tape: That just adds to the tanking accusations. He really has foot-in-mouth disease.

MaryX
11-02-2007, 12:21 PM
Davydenko said yesterday he didn't know about the rules of the bonus system, otherwise he wouldn't have pulled out of Madrid (he was there, he trained, but decided to withdraw because his elbow was hurting - he didn't know about the rule about having to play Madrid *and* Bercy). According to l'Équipe, he event wants to appeal because he says the players haven't been well-informed about that rule. He means he would have gone out there and played at least 2 rallies just to get the cash. :lol:

Caujolle (co-director of Bercy) is mad at Davydenko for saying that and calls it a provocation.
In the same time, Caujolle defends Djokovic with passion, says he obviously really wanted to play the tournament since he came with his family and had already asked for training facilities during the week, Caujolle also knows personally the agent who swears Djoko was totally sincere, blablablabla.

It's in l'Équipe today, but surely there are articles in English about it too?

Ignorantia iuris nocet:Being ignorant of law harms.So, he can't appeal.

Even though I am a fan of Novak, this "Caujolle defends Djokovic with passion" makes me seek.The good and bad boys movie-too predictable for me and one dimensional (to quote Roger The Great).