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Who's tie-break king? Federer defeats Karlovic 7-6(6) 7-6(5)

HNCS
10-27-2007, 04:43 PM
i'm just happy. didn't watch the match. but i know the score.

and Roger did it the karlovic way :yeah:

Bilbo
10-27-2007, 04:43 PM
ivo really has some mental disadvantage over federer. it's not like he was playing worse during both sets. they were equal.

there was no reason why ivo should lose this match other than his head.

RonE
10-27-2007, 04:44 PM
Well done from Fed- he looked a little shaky in the beginning but when it really counted he tightened the screws and came through in flying colours :yeah:

HNCS
10-27-2007, 04:46 PM
it's my first proper GM thread. please support. ;)

garad
10-27-2007, 04:47 PM
Class showed in the end, Karlovic is just such a one trick pony.
And he was mentally fine, serving around 70% for the whole match.

ASP0315
10-27-2007, 04:47 PM
shame on those people who skipped this match.
Both are playing equally well.
Congrats to federer

Karlovic playing amazing game. wow those slices were excell;ent. Federer was very suprised by karlovic's ground game as well. Best of luck in paris ivo. take your revenge out. :devil:

Blue Heart24
10-27-2007, 04:48 PM
Ivo had a sp at 5-4* 40-30,but couldnt convert.he lost 8-6 in the TB,but had an pretty easy volley at 6-6 to get another sp. :(
Ivo saved 2 mp's at 6-7 4-5* (15-40),the second set TB was pretty one sided,only chance for Ivo were 2 serves at 4-5 down.

Great tournament for Ivo :yeah: Congrats and he can be proud of how he played today.

HNCS
10-27-2007, 04:49 PM
Stats for fed

70% 1st serve
82% 1st serve pts won
10 Aces
53 Winners
9/11 net points
13 UE
0/2 break points
2/7 set points
83 Total points

tennis_fan_2006
10-27-2007, 04:49 PM
Great performance by Roger, one to go.

Voo de Mar
10-27-2007, 04:49 PM
Karlović played a lot better than in Montreal when he lost to Roger 6-7 6-7 as well.
Federer has proved once again that he is the king of tie-breaks, maybe the best tie-breaker in history.

mangoes
10-27-2007, 04:49 PM
ivo really has some mental disadvantage over federer. it's not like he was playing worse during both sets. they were equal.

there was no reason why ivo should lose this match other than his head.

Well.........of course.....all Roger's opponents choke:rolleyes:

MatchFederer
10-27-2007, 04:49 PM
Ivo did well, but the RIGHT man won today. :dance:

FedFan_2007
10-27-2007, 04:50 PM
Expected result. Moving on.

RonE
10-27-2007, 04:50 PM
Ivo was actually holding his own for a large portion of the baseline ralies and he also had some very successful forays into the forecourt.

In the end Roger's superior mental strength, variety and choice of shots enabled him to win the critical points in the tiebreak and seal the victory.

It was a very watchable match IMO :yeah:

enzogiovanni
10-27-2007, 04:50 PM
Ivo will have his chance next week in Paris...hopefully this time the tie breaks will go his way..
nice effort for Dr.Ivo though.

FedFan_2007
10-27-2007, 04:50 PM
Stats for fed

70% 1st serve
82% 1st serve pts won
10 Aces
53 Winners
9/11 net points
13 UE
0/2 break points
2/7 set points
83 Total points

No way Fed had 53 winners in 2 sets! More like 23.

DrJules
10-27-2007, 04:51 PM
ivo really has some mental disadvantage over federer. it's not like he was playing worse during both sets. they were equal.

there was no reason why ivo should lose this match other than his head.

True in some respects.

Missed easy volley in first set tie break and only double fault in 2nd set tie break.

mangoes
10-27-2007, 04:51 PM
It was a very nice match. Karlovic did play well, but Roger is the better player and that showed in the tie breaks.

CmonAussie
10-27-2007, 04:51 PM
it's my first proper GM thread. please support. ;)


:wavey:
you got my support:cool:
...
btw you could have watched the match on www.channelsurfing.net;)

FED had 15 forehand winners compared with Karlovic`s 2...
~that`s the telling stat, since Ivo had nothing to hurt Fed with except 1st serves!!

Snowwy
10-27-2007, 04:52 PM
Ivo saved a SP on Rogers serve at 6*-4 in the first TB before losing the 6 all point

enzogiovanni
10-27-2007, 04:52 PM
Expected result. Moving on.
as I said here:
I need to read the most intelligent quote on these forums from the regular smartass: "Never in doubt."
Come on, who will be the first?

You won the prize for the dumbest poster on these boards.
Congratulations.

barbadosan
10-27-2007, 04:52 PM
Consummate tennis defeats monster serve

MatchFederer
10-27-2007, 04:52 PM
ivo really has some mental disadvantage over federer. it's not like he was playing worse during both sets. they were equal.

there was no reason why ivo should lose this match other than his head.

Federer still has way more game that he can rely on when it comes to making difficult shots. Even if Karlovic was 100% confident against Federer in tiebreaks he would still lose almost as many as he has done anyway.

:angel:

DrJules
10-27-2007, 04:52 PM
Ivo was actually holding his own for a large portion of the baseline ralies and he also had some very successful forays into the forecourt.

In the end Roger's superior mental strength, variety and choice of shots enabled him to win the critical points in the tiebreak and seal the victory.

It was a very watchable match IMO :yeah:

Karlovic is one of the most improved players this year.

Andre♥
10-27-2007, 04:52 PM
Very good match.

Some nice sliced backhands fights! :yeah:

Blue Heart24
10-27-2007, 04:52 PM
ivo really has some mental disadvantage over federer. it's not like he was playing worse during both sets. they were equal.

there was no reason why ivo should lose this match other than his head.

Yeah,kind of, but also its that Ivo just cant let himself to get in a rally against Fed in TB's,so he has to go to the net,even on second serves.
So basically Fed needs to hit one good passing shot and it's all over.

HNCS
10-27-2007, 04:53 PM
No way Fed had 53 winners in 2 sets! More like 23.



maybe i'm wrong..got it from someone else..:confused:

Allure
10-27-2007, 04:53 PM
Fed beats All Serve Karlovic. :worship:

MatchFederer
10-27-2007, 04:53 PM
as I said here:


You won the prize for the dumbest poster on these boards.
Congratulations.

Oh shut up muppet. It was NEVER in doubt... Nice acting from Federer though, planning his after tennis career early I see.

stacy25
10-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Well done Roger. Too good in the tie breaks

MatchFederer
10-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Fed beats All Serve Karlovic. :worship:

Thank goodness...

HNCS
10-27-2007, 04:55 PM
:wavey:
you got my support:cool:
...
btw you could have watched the match on www.channelsurfing.net;)

FED had 15 forehand winners compared with Karlovic`s 2...
~that`s the telling stat, since Ivo had nothing to hurt Fed with except 1st serves!!

you're so sweet. thanks for the correct stats.

MatchFederer
10-27-2007, 04:55 PM
Yeah,kind of, but also its that Ivo just cant let himself to get in a rally against Fed in TB's,so he has to go to the net,even on second serves.
So basically Fed needs to hit one good passing shot and it's all over.

Exactly!! Gotta say though, Karlovic showed us some good groundies today. There were a couple of very nice CC FH winners... no mug off the ground today.

CmonAussie
10-27-2007, 04:58 PM
you're so sweet. thanks for the correct stats.

you`re welcome:D
...
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still not sure about backhand winners [of course FED would have had more then Ivo]
~~ though Kalovic did have a few nice volleys;)

garad
10-27-2007, 04:59 PM
Well.........of course.....all Roger's opponents choke:rolleyes:

Yes, what a choke by Karlovic!..just look at his stats and first serve percentage
And those two matchpoints at 6-7 4-5 15-40 saved by two aces - what a choker!!

Sunset of Age
10-27-2007, 04:59 PM
Good match by Dr. Ivo, and congrats on a great tournament. As people have said before, he has improved a LOT. :yeah:

Congrats Fed on yet another final... :hatoff:

jasmin
10-27-2007, 05:00 PM
The tiebreak usually (not always) shows who's better even if the other player is playing one of their best matches like Roddick and Djokovic at the US Open.

FedFan_2007
10-27-2007, 05:01 PM
Ivo is a mug.

Corey Feldman
10-27-2007, 05:03 PM
Fed is the TB king = Too Big for you [whichever player] loses to him.

Ok Roddick!?

elessar
10-27-2007, 05:03 PM
Exactly!! Gotta say though, Karlovic showed us some good groundies today. There were a couple of very nice CC FH winners... no mug off the ground today.

Karlovic played pretty well but frankly hitting two winners off your best wing in two tie breaks set is not very unmug like :tape:

Bilbo
10-27-2007, 05:05 PM
True in some respects.

Missed easy volley in first set tie break and only double fault in 2nd set tie break.

which shows us ivo's mental problems other than federer's great shots in the TB. it's not like federer won these TBs easily.

Henry Chinaski
10-27-2007, 05:06 PM
Seemed to be more evidence of the inaccuracy of hawkeye in the 2nd set breaker when Karlovic hit that sweet sliced bh. Fed was looking straight at it and played on as it seemed to clip the outside of the line but the hawkeye replay showed it clearly out.

yanchr
10-27-2007, 05:06 PM
Yeah,kind of, but also its that Ivo just cant let himself to get in a rally against Fed in TB's,so he has to go to the net,even on second serves.
So basically Fed needs to hit one good passing shot and it's all over.
True. I do think Karlovic improved a lot on his groundstrokes, but he is still boring to watch...even against Roger :p

BodyServe
10-27-2007, 05:11 PM
Seemed to be more evidence of the inaccuracy of hawkeye in the 2nd set breaker when Karlovic hit that sweet sliced bh. Fed was looking straight at it and played on as it seemed to clip the outside of the line but the hawkeye replay showed it clearly out.

Totally agree on that.

This time there is no wind excuse for federer

Rogieva
10-27-2007, 05:14 PM
Good result, expected tow tie breaks with Roger winning.

Allez.

elessar
10-27-2007, 05:15 PM
Totally agree on that.

This time there is no wind excuse for federer

Why would he need an excuse ? He won the match :rolleyes:

OrinUK
10-27-2007, 05:16 PM
Feds backside was sexy as hell. Long live the grey shorts!

NYCtennisfan
10-27-2007, 05:17 PM
7-1 in TB's against Ivo. I believe that Ivo has the lowest % of his 1st serves as aces against Federer.

20% at Wimby '04--8 ace differential
23% in Gstaad--7 ace differential
26% in Canada--13 ace differential
30% today---6 ace differential

This week at Basel:

40% against Berdman--24 ace differential
38% against Blake--15 ace differential
55% against Chiudinelli--13 ace differential

nobama
10-27-2007, 05:18 PM
Totally agree on that.

This time there is no wind excuse for federer:confused: He didn't challenge the call or complain about it. Hawkeye was clearly wrong.

BodyServe
10-27-2007, 05:18 PM
Why would he need an excuse ? He won the match :rolleyes:

I was talking about breaking serve only

NYCtennisfan
10-27-2007, 05:21 PM
which shows us ivo's mental problems other than federer's great shots in the TB. it's not like federer won these TBs easily.

It shows us Federer's ability to win points on Ivo's 2nd serve in TB's and Ivo's inability to win points on Federer's 2nd serve in TB's. The same thing happens in EVERY breaker they play. Fed wins a point off the 2nd serve, and then wins the breaker.

Of course Fed can't win the TB's easily since he's facing the greatest server in the history of the game indoors.

garad
10-27-2007, 05:23 PM
which shows us ivo's mental problems other than federer's great shots in the TB. it's not like federer won these TBs easily.

Noone would have won the first TB easily - Karlovic made all first serves in it (!), serving out of a tree.

Corey Feldman
10-27-2007, 05:26 PM
i wonder if tennisfancroatia is still crying..

dont worry mate, Murray will cheer you up even more when he passes Ljubo's points tomorrow :hug:

Psichogauchovna
10-27-2007, 05:31 PM
can anyone break Karlovic's serve for once at least? :retard:

Sjengster
10-27-2007, 05:32 PM
Seemed to be more evidence of the inaccuracy of hawkeye in the 2nd set breaker when Karlovic hit that sweet sliced bh. Fed was looking straight at it and played on as it seemed to clip the outside of the line but the hawkeye replay showed it clearly out.

It was clear from the slow motion replay that the ball landed on the outside of the line, then the hawkeye system (which was just used for TV, not by one of the players, for those who aren't sure) shows it being out by some distance. Federer isn't the only player who's complained about the system, after all.

MatchFederer
10-27-2007, 05:33 PM
Karlovic played pretty well but frankly hitting two winners off your best wing in two tie breaks set is not very unmug like :tape:

*laughs* Yeah, I was waiting for somebody to pick up on that.:devil:

ASP0315
10-27-2007, 05:37 PM
can anyone break Karlovic's serve for once at least? :retard:
Guess how many times did berdych break karlovic in bangkok.? Two times
Guess homany times did he get broken in stockholm? The answer is two times.
Guess how many times did he get broken here.? the answer is one. (thats right people who slam james blake is the only player to break him here.)
fed had two bps today.

R.Federer
10-27-2007, 05:39 PM
As Agassi said, fine Karlo US$100 every time he hits a groundstroke. Good win for Federer. A match away from finishing his fourth year as Number 1.

And oh, nice thread title :lol: Who's YOUR daddy?

Adler
10-27-2007, 06:25 PM
He's won it convincingly, but Ivo is not just serve anymore. Some ot the non-serve strokes were really worth admiring and Fed really was getting nervous at times

stebs
10-27-2007, 07:02 PM
Federer plays the Ivo serve with too much confidence in his own speed. He doesn't guess a side often instead he waits and then goes for the ball, this means Ivo hits far fewer aces because Fed can usually get his racquet on the ball but it also means he almost never returns the ball. He is too used to playing 'big servers'. The Karlovic serve is just in another league.

Decent match but Federer looked jittery at times and Ivo's serves weren't close enough to the lines at crunch time even though he had been untouchable all day.

Soulja Boy
10-27-2007, 07:06 PM
Karlovic played pretty well but frankly hitting two winners off your best wing in two tie breaks set is not very unmug like :tape:

Exactly. Karlovic is still just a serve and clearly has the worst ground game in the top 100. Putting away a few short balls with your forehand doesn't make you a complete player.

Federerhingis
10-27-2007, 07:09 PM
Stats for fed

70% 1st serve
82% 1st serve pts won
10 Aces
53 Winners
9/11 net points
13 UE
0/2 break points
2/7 set points
83 Total points

Pretty solid numbers. Jarko will be tricky though.

ASP0315
10-27-2007, 07:15 PM
Fed will crush nieminen in straight. So i wouldn't bother watching the finals.
But Good luck to jarko anyway.

Next week will be pretty interesting in case federer plays. any of those top half players karlovic/nalbandian/berdych/nole could beat federer.

Kitty de Sade
10-27-2007, 07:25 PM
Congrats champ- best of luck in the final! :yeah:

marcRD
10-27-2007, 08:28 PM
Federer plays the Ivo serve with too much confidence in his own speed. He doesn't guess a side often instead he waits and then goes for the ball, this means Ivo hits far fewer aces because Fed can usually get his racquet on the ball but it also means he almost never returns the ball. He is too used to playing 'big servers'. The Karlovic serve is just in another league.

Yes, Federer is simply too stubborn to surrender going 10 feet behind the baseline to return Karlovics serve or to guess which side Karlo will serve. I specialy think it would be a good idea for Federer to go 10 feet behind the baseline, it is really the only way to return the Karlovic 1st serve.

stebs
10-27-2007, 08:29 PM
Yes, Federer is simply too stubborn to surrender going 10 feet behind the baseline to return Karlovics serve or to guess which side Karlo will serve. I specialy think it would be a good idea for Federer to go 10 feet behind the baseline, it is really the only way to return the Karlovic 1st serve.

:confused:

Stand too close and it whizzes by you, I understand that. However, stand 10 feet behind the baseline and Ivo will find irretrievable angles all day long. It would be a stupid thing to do.

World Beater
10-27-2007, 08:35 PM
:confused:

Stand too close and it whizzes by you, I understand that. However, stand 10 feet behind the baseline and Ivo will find irretrievable angles all day long. It would be a stupid thing to do.

esp being a tree

aeronatasha
10-27-2007, 08:45 PM
Shame about that volley in the 1st TB, Ivo. Congrats on putting up a fight though!:wavey:

Sjengster
10-27-2007, 08:58 PM
:confused:

Stand too close and it whizzes by you, I understand that. However, stand 10 feet behind the baseline and Ivo will find irretrievable angles all day long. It would be a stupid thing to do.

On his first service point of the second set tiebreak Karlovic hit a serve out wide on the ad court, Federer stood miles back and looped it deep into play, and Karlovic had time to whack a forehand into the opposite corner which Federer reached but couldn't keep in court. At least if you can react to the serve at close range you can use the pace and surprise the incoming volleyer with it, or with an awkwardly angled return.

acionescu
10-27-2007, 09:59 PM
Nice match to watch.I did not see a Federer match in which not to think "he's gonna win" since Wimbledon final!That does not mean that I expected Karlovic to win but it was not that obvious and Roger looked very irritated a few times.

Deathless Mortal
10-27-2007, 11:47 PM
Congrats to Federer for staying focused in the TBs, but also congrats to Ivo who played really nice today and during the whole tournament.
Keep it up :yeah:

cardio
10-28-2007, 06:16 PM
Every time Karlovic is playing , I read lot of whining and complaining a`la "he is just a serve, his groundstrokes are worst in top 100, he does not have return game, his matches are boring to watch, bla-bla-bla..." What a morons are people who are writing this stuff;). I mean, most of it is absolutely true, but you people should not complain, you should be happy that Ivo is not complete player! Imagine if his groundstrokes would be as good as his serve ( or at least as good as his volleys are), he would be unbeatable tennis-machine, more dominant than Federer! He would crush every single ATP player, including your and mine favourites. And watching Karlovic winning every match (except some rare occasions, when he has extremely bad day), that would be really boooring and annoying and frustating. So, do`nt complain that Ivo has challenger-level groundstrokes, be happy that he does not have better ones. Dont give him any ideas to improve his game even further, he is already constant danger to every top 20 player. At least NOW his game is interesting to watch and guess : will he hold his serve again, how he`ll play in tiebreak, and it is always fun to watch desperate/very worried body language of his more glorious opponents, beacause they know - if they lose their service game, the set is gone, it is almost impossible to break back.