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Andy Murray's Ranking Post The 2008 U.S. Open?

Jaffas85
10-27-2007, 04:12 PM
Should Andy Murray win St.Petersburg he will be world #12 and should he also qualify for Shanghai he should finish the year ranked inside the Top 10.

Next year he hardly has any ranking points to defend in 7 significant tournaments that occur between the Monte Carlo Masters Series event and the U.S. Open.

By the conclusion of the 2008 U.S. Open wwhere do you predict that his ranking will most likely be?

Inside the Top 5 next to Djokovic?

NYCtennisfan
10-27-2007, 04:21 PM
If he's healthy, between 3-6 without a doubt.

alansk
10-27-2007, 04:45 PM
Interesting to see whether he can match or even better his 2007 start...

Wolbo
10-27-2007, 04:59 PM
Any reason # 2 is no an option? If you make a poll at least put some thought into it.

KitinovRules
10-27-2007, 05:16 PM
Inside the Top 5 next to Djokovic?

Djokovic will drop out of top 5, in the period between RG and Wimbledon or at least the week after Wimbly.

ezekiel
10-27-2007, 05:55 PM
Djokovic will drop out of top 5, in the period between RG and Wimbledon or at least the week after Wimbly.


I guess you are filling in for GlennMyrni now that he went on vacation :angel:

Jimnik
10-27-2007, 06:25 PM
#1

Johnny Groove
10-27-2007, 06:55 PM
Any reason # 2 is no an option? If you make a poll at least put some thought into it.

Because the one currently occupying #2 wont be giving it away anytime soon.

stebs
10-27-2007, 07:04 PM
Well, I went for a pessimistic 7-10 although if I could choose my group of 4 ranking places I would go for 5-8, right in the middle of the ones you chose.

Top 10 is almost guarunteed if he stays healthy in my opinion, he's just too good to not be there.

Johnny Groove
10-27-2007, 07:07 PM
Peering into my crystal ball, after 08 USO, i see (subject to change)

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Some other clown, Gasquet, perhaps

mr_burns
10-27-2007, 07:16 PM
Peering into my crystal ball, after 08 USO, i see (subject to change)

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Some other clown, Gasquet, perhaps


I didn't think Koyla will do us the favour and leave the top 5


watch out for David as top 5 after Wimbledon

stebs
10-27-2007, 07:31 PM
Peering into my crystal ball, after 08 USO, i see (subject to change)

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Some other clown, Gasquet, perhaps

I see the same top 3 but I also see them all within 1500 points of each other as maximum, very possibly less. I also wouldn't be surprised if Nadal had taken the #1 spot earlier in the year before Federer added points at IW and Miami to take it back.

Thing is, as the rest of the game gets more competative with Federer losing more and more competent challengers to the thrown, if Nadal can continue to dominate clay as easily as he's been doing the last few years that block of points he gets will begin to look larger and larger.

So you see Davydenko and Roddick going away huh? Any particular reasons or just a hunch? There's no doubt in my mind that Davydenko is superior to Gasquet on all but grass and Roddick is always going to be stronger at consistent performances in big events because he can hold serve, grind out a break and beat lower ranked opposition in a way Gasquet will never be able to.

Johnny Groove
10-27-2007, 07:40 PM
I see the same top 3 but I also see them all within 1500 points of each other as maximum, very possibly less. I also wouldn't be surprised if Nadal had taken the #1 spot earlier in the year before Federer added points at IW and Miami to take it back.

Thing is, as the rest of the game gets more competative with Federer losing more and more competent challengers to the thrown, if Nadal can continue to dominate clay as easily as he's been doing the last few years that block of points he gets will begin to look larger and larger.

So you see Davydenko and Roddick going away huh? Any particular reasons or just a hunch? There's no doubt in my mind that Davydenko is superior to Gasquet on all but grass and Roddick is always going to be stronger at consistent performances in big events because he can hold serve, grind out a break and beat lower ranked opposition in a way Gasquet will never be able to.

Roddick I am really unsure of. Hes lost to all the young guns this year, and his "DC till I die" attitude since USO has cost him some points he could have easily earned in Madrid and Paris. He will still serve big and stay in the top 10, no doubt. If Gasquet and Murray do what they're capable of and pull it together, as it seems both have done better this year, Roddick is outclassed and will be in the 6-10 range.

As for Davydenko, i think that is more wishful thinking on my part :p The guy is way too boring and consistent for my tastes. SF/QF of all 30 tourneys he enters cant last forever. Also, the gambling allegations and watchful eyes of ATP might take a toll.

Johnny Groove
10-27-2007, 07:41 PM
btw, I also see Nadal taking #1 from Federer between AO and IW, if only for a few weeks, but then Federer will gain it back in IW.

The "trinity" next year will be neck and neck all year with Nole and Nadal entering the early portions of their primes and Federer's prime on the tail end

stebs
10-27-2007, 07:49 PM
Roddick I am really unsure of. Hes lost to all the young guns this year, and his "DC till I die" attitude since USO has cost him some points he could have easily earned in Madrid and Paris. He will still serve big and stay in the top 10, no doubt. If Gasquet and Murray do what they're capable of and pull it together, as it seems both have done better this year, Roddick is outclassed and will be in the 6-10 range.

As for Davydenko, i think that is more wishful thinking on my part :p The guy is way too boring and consistent for my tastes. SF/QF of all 30 tourneys he enters cant last forever. Also, the gambling allegations and watchful eyes of ATP might take a toll.

Fair thing on Roddick but what I said about the consistency is still true and Gasquet can win a tournament beating Roddick on the way and then lose 1st round three times in a row and if Roddick plugs away with SF's and QF's he will still be ahead. The season is 11 months not just a few spectacular performances and this is coming from a Gasquet fan.

Davydenko is boring on court but his tennis is fantastic, probably the most attacking baseliner in the world who doesn't have a big serve. Well, the thing with Davydenko haters is they all attribute his success to playing all these tourneys but the fact of it is he has tremendous results where it matters most although watching him choke over and over in slam SF's isn't great fun.

Nalbandian is one we will have to watch for. I still don't believe he will come back to the top 8 consistently but I think winning Madrid will have given him belief he may not have had for a long time. I don't think he would've beaten a top form Nadal in Madrid due to confidence but Nadal's weak performance and his great one gave him the confidence and once he had that he was a joy to watch at times.

My own opinion on Murray is that he is going to be like Roddick in that he gets the job done against weaker players and this is probably due to his good tennis brain and variety. He can use whatever he needs to use to get the job done and no it isn't always pretty but that's tennis for you. However, unlike Roddick, I think he has the technical ability to go head to head with the top players and come out on top every now and then. He isn't ever going to be as good as Federer on any surface but he can probably beat Djokovic a certain percentage of the time on all surfaces but clay and the same goes for Nadal.

stebs
10-27-2007, 07:54 PM
btw, I also see Nadal taking #1 from Federer between AO and IW, if only for a few weeks, but then Federer will gain it back in IW.

The "trinity" next year will be neck and neck all year with Nole and Nadal entering the early portions of their primes and Federer's prime on the tail end

Big problem for Nadal is that whilst the other two can pick up points all year if Nadal gets injured at the wrong time it is game over for his #1 hopes.

It remains to be seen if he can continue the clay dominance but if he wins two AMS + RG + optional again next year that is going to put him in serious contention for YE#1 because Federer and Djokovic won't completely dominate the hardcouts next year I don't think.

Jaap
10-27-2007, 07:56 PM
PMSL, Nadal will not be overtaking Fed any time soon.

I'm willing to bet that Djoko will take over Nadal in No.2 position before Nadal takes over Fed.

Nadal simply won't win enough tournaments outside clay to be No.1. Too many players have his number on faster surfaces.

Johnny Groove
10-27-2007, 07:57 PM
Fair thing on Roddick but what I said about the consistency is still true and Gasquet can win a tournament beating Roddick on the way and then lose 1st round three times in a row and if Roddick plugs away with SF's and QF's he will still be ahead. The season is 11 months not just a few spectacular performances and this is coming from a Gasquet fan.

Davydenko is boring on court but his tennis is fantastic, probably the most attacking baseliner in the world who doesn't have a big serve. Well, the thing with Davydenko haters is they all attribute his success to playing all these tourneys but the fact of it is he has tremendous results where it matters most although watching him choke over and over in slam SF's isn't great fun.

Nalbandian is one we will have to watch for. I still don't believe he will come back to the top 8 consistently but I think winning Madrid will have given him belief he may not have had for a long time. I don't think he would've beaten a top form Nadal in Madrid due to confidence but Nadal's weak performance and his great one gave him the confidence and once he had that he was a joy to watch at times.

My own opinion on Murray is that he is going to be like Roddick in that he gets the job done against weaker players and this is probably due to his good tennis brain and variety. He can use whatever he needs to use to get the job done and no it isn't always pretty but that's tennis for you. However, unlike Roddick, I think he has the technical ability to go head to head with the top players and come out on top every now and then. He isn't ever going to be as good as Federer on any surface but he can probably beat Djokovic a certain percentage of the time on all surfaces but clay and the same goes for Nadal.

Agreed on basically all counts.

Gasquet for a long time has been pegged as "Baby Fed" in that he would have so much talent and potential, and it would manifest itself a few times a year, but hes also a mental headcase and he'll lost 1st round the following week. He's got flair, and that French "Lacoste" mentality of looking good instead of winning. I dont see Richie becoming like Federer winning everything, but im thinking that eventually, his peaks will be greater and his lows will be QF instead of R1. The thing about Gasquet is, I feel, that he needs to get some muscle. The kid is way too skinny to compete at the top level with Nadal and his physique, Federer, who gets alot of shtick for being skinny, but see him in person, and that is not true. And Nole, who constantly shows his 3% body body off whenever he removes derobes.

As for Murray, i see him as a much more consistent player, a smart tactician, someone who "wins ugly" (TM Gilbert) when needed, and a patient shotmaker. I expect him to be able to keep him with the top 3 on hard courts, definitely not clay, and possibly grass.

Johnny Groove
10-27-2007, 07:59 PM
Big problem for Nadal is that whilst the other two can pick up points all year if Nadal gets injured at the wrong time it is game over for his #1 hopes.

It remains to be seen if he can continue the clay dominance but if he wins two AMS + RG + optional again next year that is going to put him in serious contention for YE#1 because Federer and Djokovic won't completely dominate the hardcouts next year I don't think.

The problem with the 08 schedule is that MC, Barca, Rome, and Hamburg are 4 weeks in a row, then a week off, then RG :o (and then Queens, week off, Wimbledon, week off, Stuttgart, Canada, Cincy, just horrible schedule :o )

The guy is going to be killing himself getting those points.

Johnny Groove
10-27-2007, 08:02 PM
PMSL, Nadal will not be overtaking Fed any time soon.

I'm willing to bet that Djoko will take over Nadal in No.2 position before Nadal takes over Fed.

Nadal simply won't win enough tournaments outside clay to be No.1. Too many players have his number on faster surfaces.

He doesnt have to WIN the tourneys, per se. He is w/o a doubt the #2 grass player in the world and should have another stellar W next year, barring injury, and can put in SF efforts on hard court matches

As for his hardcourt credentials, hes not a TOTAL clown on the surface, and i dont expect Federer to win everything in 08. We've begun to see this this year with Canas losses, that Volandri blue moon match, and Nole/Dave in Canada/Madrid.

Andi-M
10-27-2007, 08:02 PM
1. Fed
2. Nole
3. Murray
4. Nadal (needs to improve on hardcourts or else these 2 overtake him)

Only because Murray Has nothing to defend in that crucial part of the season he can ONLY gain. Nole will have to defend so theres more pressure on him but he can handle it. He could end the yr no. 1 but to hard to tell atm.

stebs
10-27-2007, 08:06 PM
The problem with the 08 schedule is that MC, Barca, Rome, and Hamburg are 4 weeks in a row, then a week off, then RG :o (and then Queens, week off, Wimbledon, week off, Stuttgart, Canada, Cincy, just horrible schedule :o )

The guy is going to be killing himself getting those points.

If he is pushed harder than he has been the last few years he won't be able to win three in a row imo. Just too hard on his body and he will be beaten eventually. However, there's nothing to provide evidence that it will be harder so he may well do it. As for after Wimbledon, if he wants to stay healthier then don't play Stuttgart. I bet Federer wanted to play Halle this year but he put his body first. Nadal does it sometimes but he has also risked his health too many times.

Johnny Groove
10-27-2007, 08:09 PM
If he is pushed harder than he has been the last few years he won't be able to win three in a row imo. Just too hard on his body and he will be beaten eventually. However, there's nothing to provide evidence that it will be harder so he may well do it. As for after Wimbledon, if he wants to stay healthier then don't play Stuttgart. I bet Federer wanted to play Halle this year but he put his body first. Nadal does it sometimes but he has also risked his health too many times.

He had a contract w/ Stutt for 2 years, im not sure if it was 06/07 or 07/08 :shrug:

He reall shouldnt play it this year, though

KitinovRules
10-27-2007, 08:19 PM
I guess you are filling in for GlennMyrni now that he went on vacation :angel:
I have my opinion, and I wrote it down here. If you do not like it, that is your problem.
There is absolutely no need for hostile answers , so please find a way to cope that not everyone loves the hero of your life.

And I really think that with all the talent he has, Murray will be top 5 in this period next year.

Marek.
10-28-2007, 12:35 AM
Top five barring injury.

R.Federer
10-28-2007, 07:07 AM
Federer, Nadal, Murray, Davydenko, Roddick, + others :p

Matrix
10-28-2007, 02:27 PM
I have my opinion, and I wrote it down here. If you do not like it, that is your problem.
There is absolutely no need for hostile answers , so please find a way to cope that not everyone loves the hero of your life.

And I really think that with all the talent he has, Murray will be top 5 in this period next year.

Of course you have all rights to be wrong.

But regarding your previous posts and being Doctor of Medicine myself, my professional oppinion is that you are having too much hatred deep down yourself that might affect disastrously on your mental health. Take care.

keqtqiadv
10-28-2007, 02:32 PM
#55

stebs
10-28-2007, 02:38 PM
#55

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So insightful.

TankingTheSet
10-28-2007, 03:23 PM
I think people are way too optimistic. Chances are that Murray will DROP significantly in the rankings in the few months of 2008 because there's no way he can duplicate his great early season of 2007.

All that Murray really has on the book since his injury is two MM finals -- that's not that great.

stebs
10-28-2007, 05:12 PM
I think people are way too optimistic. Chances are that Murray will DROP significantly in the rankings in the few months of 2008 because there's no way he can duplicate his great early season of 2007.

Why?

Also, although he has a good early season record he is good enough to at least come close to replicating his MM and AMS success of early '07 plus, unless he gets a bad draw I'd say he should be reaching the AO QF's which would add points.

Even if he doesn't quite match it, he then has Wimbledon, RG plus the prospect of being fully fit for the secon batch of US AMS events and the USO.

ezekiel
10-28-2007, 05:15 PM
I have my opinion, and I wrote it down here. If you do not like it, that is your problem.
There is absolutely no need for hostile answers , so please find a way to cope that not everyone loves the hero of your life.

And I really think that with all the talent he has, Murray will be top 5 in this period next year.

assertions != opinions let alone facts

but I agree with you that he is not loved by everyone , that he has haters, I am seeing a lot of that

R.Federer
10-28-2007, 06:24 PM
The "trinity" next year will be neck and neck all year with Nole and Nadal entering the early portions of their primes and Federer's prime on the tail end

It reminds me of Roddick in early 2004 right after he lost the No.1 to Federer in Australia, "I think the Number 1 position will be bouncing around a lot this year". :p

In any case, I think Murray will absolutely be part of this mix.

World Beater
10-29-2007, 05:29 AM
It reminds me of Roddick in early 2004 right after he lost the No.1 to Federer in Australia, "I think the Number 1 position will be bouncing around a lot this year". :p

In any case, I think Murray will absolutely be part of this mix.

im not sure which federer blaze has been watching, but the one i see is far better than the one that showed up in IW and miami.

The streak was bound to end on HC, but its not some harbinger of decline or some nonsense.

Dont expect federer's standard of play to drop for at least another year. I'm not saying he will make every final but I dont think there is going to be a huge dip in performance next year.

Merton
10-29-2007, 05:48 AM
Barring injuries, Murray will hit the top-5 in 2008. The more interesting question is whether he can be a slam contender in 2008. (apart from Paris where he will not be)

Johnny Groove
10-29-2007, 05:55 AM
im not sure which federer blaze has been watching, but the one i see is far better than the one that showed up in IW and miami.

The streak was bound to end on HC, but its not some harbinger of decline or some nonsense.

Dont expect federer's standard of play to drop for at least another year. I'm not saying he will make every final but I dont think there is going to be a huge dip in performance next year.

The Federer i am currently seeing is one that is not his 04-06 domination standard.

I've seen too often in recent months Federer not playing in JesusFed mode, and playing more humanlike and losing occasionally, instead of "holy fucking shit, Federer just lost, his streak of *insert crazy number here* is over, omfg".

I dont expect a huge dip in performance either, i just expect him to decline just a bit from this year as well. Whether that is enough for Nadal or Djokovic to take #1 remains to be seen.