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The TMS Paris Draw Thread (Uncle Toni finally rediscovers his magic)

adee-gee
10-26-2007, 06:52 PM
Top half is horrible :lol: Federer probably has Karlovic, then Nalbandian, then Berdych/Pics...

Rafa has a gorgeous draw :D

Muzza's TMC hopes are over :sad:

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[1] Federer vs BYE
Verdasco vs Karlovic
Almagro vs Nalbandian
BYE vs [14] Moya

[12] Berdych vs BYE
Mathieu vs Ancic
Tursunov vs Fish
BYE vs [5] Ferrer

[3] Djokovic vs BYE
Santoro vs Montanes
Nieminen vs Monaco
BYE vs [15] Murray

[10] Gasquet vs BYE
Tsonga vs Grosjean
Q vs Mahut
BYE vs [6] Blake

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[8] Robredo vs BYE
Starace vs Simon
Q vs Q
BYE vs [11] Canas

[13] Ljubicic vs BYE
Ferrero vs Baghdatis
Q vs Lopez
BYE vs [4] Davydenko

[7] Gonzalez vs BYE
Clement vs Youzhny
Q vs Q
BYE vs [9] Haas

[16] Chela vs BYE
Wawrinka vs Kiefer
Melzer vs Volandri
BYE vs [2] Nadal

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(Thanks Scoobs for typing it out)

scarecrows
10-26-2007, 06:53 PM
where is this draw?

adee-gee
10-26-2007, 06:56 PM
where is this draw?

Does this link work? http://tirage-rg-ref.fft.fr/web/tab.htm

scoobs
10-26-2007, 06:58 PM
Draw

[1] Federer vs BYE
Verdasco vs Karlovic
Almagro vs Nalbandian
BYE vs [14] Moya

[12] Berdych vs BYE
Mathieu vs Ancic
Tursunov vs Fish
BYE vs [5] Ferrer

[3] Djokovic vs BYE
Santoro vs Montanes
Nieminen vs Monaco
BYE vs [15] Murray

[10] Gasquet vs BYE
Tsonga vs Grosjean
Q vs Mahut
BYE vs [6] Blake

[7] Gonzalez vs BYE
Starace vs Simon
Q vs Q
BYE vs [11] Canas

[13] Ljubicic vs BYE
Ferrero vs Baghdatis
Q vs Lopez
BYE vs [4] Davydenko

[8] Robredo vs BYE
Clement vs Youzhny
Q vs Q
BYE vs [9] Haas

[16] Chela vs BYE
Wawrinka vs Kiefer
Melzer vs Volandri
BYE vs [2] Nadal

Caerula Sanguis
10-26-2007, 07:00 PM
This draw might help Federer's decision of pulling out lol.

If Fed is out does that mean Nadal will take his spot? If I'm Fed, I might pull out just for that !

Sunset of Age
10-26-2007, 07:00 PM
I see plenty of players in Raf's side of the draw who could well give him a bit of trouble... Lopez, for instance, has been doing very well on HC lately. :shrug:

If Roger wins Basel, he might well not turn up at all, which would make the whole field on the top side of the draw a whole different story.

mr_burns
10-26-2007, 07:00 PM
where is roddick

Andi-M
10-26-2007, 07:01 PM
I hope Fed withdraws and a redraw is done with Nadal as no 1 seed and Nole as the no 2!!!!!

Muzza V Nole....3rd round i think is my worst nightmare

scarecrows
10-26-2007, 07:02 PM
what a joke, all top contenders in the upper half

Gonzalez is so lucky, if he doesnt make TMC with that cupcake draw he's an idiot

hopefully Federer withdraws and leaves Berdych an easier way :devil: Anyway Tomas' draw is not easy at all :sad:

Byrd
10-26-2007, 07:02 PM
Cupcake draw for Nadal as usual, Fed won't be there, so unlucky for the qualifier, and feel sorry for Muzza.

scoobs
10-26-2007, 07:02 PM
Roddick withdrew yesterday

danton
10-26-2007, 07:02 PM
Isn't it a bit early for the draw especially given they usually have so many withdrawals?

adee-gee
10-26-2007, 07:02 PM
I see plenty of players in Raf's side of the draw who could well give him a bit of trouble... Lopez, for instance, has been doing very well on HC lately. :shrug:

If Roger wins Basel, he might well not turn up at all, which would make the whole field on the top side of the draw a whole different story.
Kiefer/Wawrinka will probably beat him, but it's still about as nice a draw as he could possibly hope for.

adee-gee
10-26-2007, 07:04 PM
Nole is friends with Muzza, I think he should let him win :D

scarecrows
10-26-2007, 07:04 PM
where is roddick

withdrew yesterday i think

Allure
10-26-2007, 07:04 PM
Half of them will withdraw anyways. :lol:

TennisGrandSlam
10-26-2007, 07:05 PM
This draw might help Federer's decision of pulling out lol.

If Nadal retires, Federer also retires and secure YE NO.1. (assume FED wins Basel)

Sunset of Age
10-26-2007, 07:06 PM
Kiefer/Wawrinka will probably beat him, but it's still about as nice a draw as he could possibly hope for.

He doesn't have much to complain about, but neither is the case for Fed (should he turn up at all, which I seriously doubt). Or is there anyone thinking he should fear playing Nalby again? Rather the contrary, I wouldn't be surprised if Fed is out for revenge. Djoko? hmmm. Berdych? hahaha. Karlovic? :tape:

Ah, in general: these discussions about draws are pointless. Even more: if one truly trusts his or her favourite, the draw doesn't make any changes to that faith. And I have faith in both my favs, as you know. ;)

mr_burns
10-26-2007, 07:09 PM
think federer won't play which leaves the upper half with good shots to qualify

Many rd 16 matches which are small finals für Shanghai

Great stuff

Tom Paulman
10-26-2007, 07:10 PM
No Stepanek :confused: :crying2:

garad
10-26-2007, 07:11 PM
Tough draw for young guns (well, Shanghai maybe next year), lucky draw for Gonzo, Ljubicic and Boredo. Extremely lucky draw for Nadal, but Stan will still take him out if he maintains his Basel form.

Federer should not be afraid of anybody, he will play if he feels like it and his decision will not be influenced by the draw.

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 07:14 PM
This draw might help Federer's decision of pulling out lol.

If Fed is out does that mean Nadal will take his spot? If I'm Fed, I might pull out just for that !
That's excellent :haha:
It would be another perfect jinx thread like the Rafael Nadal is No. 1 thread :D

Horatio Caine
10-26-2007, 07:15 PM
Poor Muzza. :sad:

Does Nole really NEED a strong run next week? :awww: :devil:

LocoPorElTenis
10-26-2007, 07:15 PM
think federer won't play which leaves the upper half with good shots to qualify

Many rd 16 matches which are small finals für Shanghai

Great stuff

You're assuming that most of the Shanghai contenders will actually win their first match. After Madrid and this week, that's a very brave assumption.

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 07:15 PM
Nole is friends with Muzza, I think he should let him win :D
I don't know if the friendship is still on after those tongue in cheek (NOT) comments made by Djerko about Murray. With friends like those.....

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 07:17 PM
So if Federer wins Basel, wd from Paris and Nadal wins Paris, what is the race situation?

Maybe Toni's magic is a bit too impotent, too late.

jasmin
10-26-2007, 07:18 PM
They say be careful of those easy draws and Raf just isn't playing like he use to.

elessar
10-26-2007, 07:19 PM
So if Federer wins Basel, wd from Paris and Nadal wins Paris, what is the race situation?

Maybe Toni's magic is a bit too impotent, too late.

If Federer wins Basel the year end nr 1 is his no matter what Nadal does

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 07:22 PM
If Federer wins Basel the year end nr 1 is his no matter what Nadal does

If that happens, who gets the privilege of bumping up the Rafael Nadal is Number # 1 in the ATP Race thread? :D :lol:

elessar
10-26-2007, 07:26 PM
If that happens, who gets the privilege of bumping up the Rafael Nadal is Number # 1 in the ATP Race thread? :D :lol:

I think we should reserve that for someone who will trully savour that : our very own number one fedtard : deivid :rocker:

EDIT : Just saw he started the thread :haha: even better !

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 07:27 PM
I think we should reserve that for someone who will trully savour that : our very own number one fedtard : deivid :rocker:

I think it might be a race to the finishline between that character and Rogiman :)

garad
10-26-2007, 07:31 PM
Regardless of the race, Fed should still play Paris even for a couple of rounds because he can only gain ranking points there, which owuld be handy for next year, assuming Nadal will have a strong AO. When the two american masters arrive in early spring, he can add loads of points again.

Allure
10-26-2007, 07:32 PM
Regardless of the race, Fed should still play Paris even for a couple of rounds because he can only gain ranking points there, which owuld be handy for next year, assuming Nadal will have a strong AO. When the two american masters arrive in early spring, he can add loads of points again.

If he wins Basel, he would probably withdraw from Paris and save energy for TMC.

MaryX
10-26-2007, 07:35 PM
I don't know if the friendship is still on after those tongue in cheek (NOT) comments made by Djerko about Murray. With friends like those.....

What comments-you mean those when he talks how Murray is a very intelligent guy and talented or those when he said that he expected Murray to change the pattern and starts winning their match-ups soon, or ?:confused:

However, he said in his diary that tennis is not everything in life, so I guess he's finally discovered Belgrade night life (and fabulous girl's hysteria arround him)-then there are some chances for Andy...

Corey Feldman
10-26-2007, 07:36 PM
Fed will WD anyway, he always does.

as for Muzza, Djokovic cant keep getting lucky wins against him everytime.

yana
10-26-2007, 07:36 PM
So if Federer wins Basel, wd from Paris and Nadal wins Paris, what is the race situation?


Relax, Mirka, your boyfriend is safe.

mangoes
10-26-2007, 07:37 PM
Nice draw for Rafa.....He should win Paris. Hopefully, Roger will withdraw if he is able to win Basel.

I don't know if the friendship is still on after those tongue in cheek (NOT) comments made by Djerko about Murray. With friends like those.....

In addition, Djokovic has to be eyeing that no. 2 spot......I doubt he's going to let Murray through out of the goodness of his heart since that would mean Rafa putting more points between the no. 2 and 3. Murray will have to earn that win.

Merton
10-26-2007, 07:37 PM
With this draw, Ferrer clinces a spot for Shanghai, the only way he could end 9th would be for a Murray-Berdych final with Murray winning, Gonzalez reaching semis and Murray, Berdych both winning in St. Petersburg and Basel respectively. Since the first part of this quite complex sequence cannot occur, Pics is through.

Corey Feldman
10-26-2007, 07:39 PM
What comments-you mean those when he talks how Murray is a very intelligent guy and talented or those when he said that he expected Murray to change the pattern and starts winning their match-ups soon, or ?.... or when he kicked Murray when he was down with his injury basically saying it was his own fault and he how he wasnt doing things right.

i bet deep down Muzza will take revenge on him someday for those comments.

payback time might be next week, but i'll wait for a Grand Slam final somewhere.

Merton
10-26-2007, 07:39 PM
Nice draw for Rafa.....He should win Paris. Hopefully, Roger will withdraw if he is able to win Basel.



In addition, Djokovic has to be eyeing that no. 2 spot......I doubt he's going to let Murray through out of the goodness of his heart since that would mean Rafa putting more points between the no. 2 and 3. Murray will have to earn that win.

Nah, Nole doesn't care for the #2 spot... He only looks forward to the #1 ranking and the subsequent 10 years of dominating the sport. :lol:

Corey Feldman
10-26-2007, 07:40 PM
So if Federer wins Basel, wd from Paris and Nadal wins Paris, what is the race situation?R.Fed..
if he wins Basel the no1 is wrapped up.

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 07:41 PM
Relax, Mirka, your boyfriend is safe.
Thanks Xisca, your boyfriend is not.

mangoes
10-26-2007, 07:42 PM
Nah, Nole doesn't care for the #2 spot... He only looks forward to the #1 ranking and the subsequent 10 years of dominating the sport. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 07:44 PM
However, he said in his diary that tennis is not everything in life, so I guess he's finally discovered Belgrade night life (and fabulous girl's hysteria arround him)-then there are some chances for Andy...

What fabulous girls? Are those the blind ones :confused:

mangoes
10-26-2007, 07:45 PM
What fabulous girls? Are those the blind ones :confused:

:lol: :lol:

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 07:46 PM
Nah, Nole doesn't care for the #2 spot... He only looks forward to the #1 ranking and the subsequent 10 years of dominating the sport. :lol:
Aww Merton, I didn't know you posture as Ezekiel on these boards :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-26-2007, 07:53 PM
Nice draw for Rafa.....He should win Paris.

It's still HC. Many players can trouble him on that surface, as you know by now. :angel:

What fabulous girls? Are those the blind ones :confused:

:haha: must be - lots of badly-made schnapps containing methanol over there... :cool:

MaryX
10-26-2007, 08:00 PM
.... or when he kicked Murray when he was down with his injury basically saying it was his own fault and he how he wasnt doing things right.

i bet deep down Muzza will take revenge on him someday for those comments.

payback time might be next week, but i'll wait for a Grand Slam final somewhere.

You can interpret someone's words as you like, and intelligent person can do it in very convincing way (I know that well-I am a lawyer:devil: ), so my interpretation was that Djokovic is hypochondriac and because of that, those thoughts were just echoes of his deepest fears.Nothing mean at all.

mr_burns
10-26-2007, 08:00 PM
You're assuming that most of the Shanghai contenders will actually win their first match. After Madrid and this week, that's a very brave assumption.

My fault:devil:

I just hope so

yana
10-26-2007, 08:04 PM
Thanks Xisca, your boyfriend is not.

At least I'm slim and beautiful, you're... fat :p

RonE
10-26-2007, 08:08 PM
:haha: must be - lots of badly-made schnapps containing methanol over there... :cool:

After telling me I have Djokovic-like hair I would choose my words very carefully if I were you :armed: ;) :p

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 08:08 PM
At least I'm slim and beautiful, you're... fat :p
Haha beautiful.... yes, to yourself and your boyfriend. ... ;)

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 08:09 PM
After telling me I have Djokovic-like hair I would choose my words very carefully if I were you :armed: ;) :p

This sounded like it was Gu writing.

Where is G Mirnyi these days?

Sunset of Age
10-26-2007, 08:10 PM
After telling me I have Djokovic-like hair I would choose my words very carefully if I were you :armed: ;) :p

:haha:

Ah, I remember you saying I was a 'goat' somewhere during our trip... :hug:

Sunset of Age
10-26-2007, 08:11 PM
This sounded like it was Gu writing.

Where is G Mirnyi these days?

Banned from GM, or so I understand...

RonE
10-26-2007, 08:11 PM
This sounded like it was Gu writing.

Where is G Mirnyi these days?

He is temporarily banned from GM and so I am filling in for him in his absence :p

Rik.
10-26-2007, 08:13 PM
When will the Qualifing Draw be made?

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 08:14 PM
Whaaaa? All I say is Why. He is so harmless, just poking fun for fun's sake like Adeegee or Escude and others. What was this all about?

RonE
10-26-2007, 08:14 PM
:haha:

Ah, I remember you saying I was a 'goat' somewhere during our trip... :hug:

After trying to keep up with you navigating through the rocks in Crater Lake and you running ahead in crazed amok I said you are leaping away like a mountain goat- I never said you looked like one :p

yana
10-26-2007, 08:14 PM
Haha beautiful.... yes, to yourself and your boyfriend. ... ;)

Well, dear Mirka, you're not beautiful not even to yourself, not to mention your boyfriend. ;)

RonE
10-26-2007, 08:16 PM
Well, dear Mirka, you're not beautiful not even to yourself, not to mention your boyfriend. ;)

Now now ladies, play nice.

Corey Feldman
10-26-2007, 08:17 PM
This sounded like it was Gu writing.

Where is G Mirnyi these days?You're a bit slow on the uptake thesedays arnt ya.

:lol: unreal.

yana
10-26-2007, 08:17 PM
After trying to keep up with you navigating through the rocks in Crater Lake and you running ahead in crazed amok I said you are leaping away like a mountain goat- I never said you looked like one :p

This is too romantic :crying2:

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 08:22 PM
You're a bit slow on the uptake thesedays arnt ya.

:lol: unreal.

Nothing much going on since Fed got spanked last week :sad:

I'm going to have to create a WB thread for Gu as well. I don't think it will be as popular as yours, though :shrug:

So. What happened?

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 08:27 PM
Well, dear Mirka, you're not beautiful not even to yourself, not to mention your boyfriend. ;)

OUCH. :mad:

Touche. GSM Yana/Xixca

Merton
10-26-2007, 08:27 PM
If this happens it will end up
Berdych 430
Murray 426
Ferrer 426

Gonzalez 425

So as long as Ferrer Starts his first match he is IN SHANGHAI

You are right of course, I just forgot about the 1 point :lol: Still, Murray and Berdych are in the same half so even that cannot happen.

Corey Feldman
10-26-2007, 08:32 PM
So. What happened?who knows... fighting with Serbs or something

all a big storm in a tea cup, he'll probably be posting back in GM soon

its not like he got a 6 month ban for doing F*** all like some others get.

anyway, Fed will WD.... he 'doesnt do 3 weeks in a row'
and he wants to be fresher for shanghai...

but Pioline wont be a happy bunny.

Johnny Groove
10-26-2007, 08:57 PM
where is roddick

Davis Cup

OSmeone
10-26-2007, 08:59 PM
Paris is on carpet isn't it? And Nadal has a negative record on that surface, I think.

elessar
10-26-2007, 09:01 PM
Paris is on carpet isn't it? And Nadal has a negative record on that surface, I think.

They changed it it's a new surface this year that's supposed to be pretty similar to the MC's

Metis
10-26-2007, 09:02 PM
Nice draw for Rafa.....He should win Paris. Hopefully, Roger will withdraw if he is able to win Basel.


I wouldn't be so sure. All that is needed is someone in good form and he is out like at the USOpen and Madrid...

The draw is favorable of course but there are still players in his half that can beat him. As for Federer, I hope he plays. It would be nice to see Nalby give him another spanking :p :D .

And if Marcos continues playing well next week he could do well :).


So if Federer wins Basel, wd from Paris and Nadal wins Paris, what is the race situation?


Relax, Mirka, your boyfriend is safe.

Thanks Xisca, your boyfriend is not.

At least I'm slim and beautiful, you're... fat :p

Haha beautiful.... yes, to yourself and your boyfriend. ... ;)

Well, dear Mirka, you're not beautiful not even to yourself, not to mention your boyfriend. ;)

:spit: :haha: I just had to put all this together in one post. :D

This thread is cracking me up :lol:


With this draw, Ferrer clinces a spot for Shanghai, the only way he could end 9th would be for a Murray-Berdych final with Murray winning, Gonzalez reaching semis and Murray, Berdych both winning in St. Petersburg and Basel respectively. Since the first part of this quite complex sequence cannot occur, Pics is through.

Pics is in! :dance: :bigclap:

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 09:04 PM
Davis Cup
A rare true Laugh out loud moment for me

:spit: :rolls:

Johnny Groove
10-26-2007, 09:06 PM
Nice to hear

World Beater
10-26-2007, 09:08 PM
roddick on schedule w/d from the TMS. Why not just w/d from the tour too?

what a pansy

World Beater
10-26-2007, 09:14 PM
everyone in the bottom half is an indoor mug save for davydenko.

nadal better make it through this pathetic draw.

Tommy fan
10-26-2007, 09:25 PM
Why Roddick withdrew?

Go Tommy (Haas!)!!!!

ezekiel
10-26-2007, 09:40 PM
.... or when he kicked Murray when he was down with his injury basically saying it was his own fault and he how he wasnt doing things right.

i bet deep down Muzza will take revenge on him someday for those comments.

payback time might be next week, but i'll wait for a Grand Slam final somewhere.


Everything is possible http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z51/mofme/mean.gif. Andy does need a kick from behind and Nole was just trying to motivate him as he was beating him so badly that month , it was embarassing for both :o

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 09:52 PM
Everything is possible http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z51/mofme/mean.gif. Andy does need a kick from behind and Nole was just trying to motivate him as he was beating him so badly that month , it was embarassing for both :o

Is that why Federer called him a joke and ridiculed his injuries? ;)

You know, to help the poor kid, get him some motivation to improve http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z51/mofme/mean.gif

World Beater
10-26-2007, 09:54 PM
Is that why Federer called him a joke and ridiculed his injuries? ;)

You know, to help the poor kid, get him some motivation to improve http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z51/mofme/mean.gif

:haha:

nobama
10-26-2007, 11:06 PM
Davis CupHe'll be good and match tough for DC with this schedule.

Deboogle!.
10-26-2007, 11:17 PM
roddick on schedule w/d from the TMS. Why not just w/d from the tour too?

what a pansyHe hurt his ankle in the third set of his match against Santoro the other day, he has a lot of ankle problems and doesn't want to risk for Shanghai and DC. :rolleyes: :yawn:

rocketassist
10-26-2007, 11:17 PM
Why will Murray's TMC hopes be over? He's capable of beating Novak.

Hopefully he'll smash him into the ground, bad style.

rocketassist
10-26-2007, 11:21 PM
Boredo doesn't have a great draw at all. Misha is knocking him out straight away.

World Beater
10-26-2007, 11:27 PM
He hurt his ankle in the third set of his match against Santoro the other day, he has a lot of ankle problems and doesn't want to risk for Shanghai and DC. :rolleyes: :yawn:

BS.

i wouldnt be surprised if roddick pulls out of shanghai too.

if this was a tournament in the US, roddick would not have pulled out.

but roddick doesn't give a rat's ass about the indoor season in europe and it shows.

he's been doing this for years now. these ankle "injuries" are injuries roddick has been dealing with for years now. he wears braces and tapes his ankles heavily.

yes. roddick sleeps through the indoor season once again. :zzz: :yawn:

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 11:34 PM
He hurt his ankle in the third set of his match against Santoro the other day, he has a lot of ankle problems and doesn't want to risk for Shanghai and DC. :rolleyes: :yawn:

Where did you read that? Is it on his blog?

You have to admit it's weird that so many of his injuries arrive during the clay/indoor season in Europe. It doesn't strike you as even slightly odd?

In your mind is there no chance that he is feigning the seriousness of these to avoid playing some of these tournament? Nothing is ever conclusive. I mean, look at the Davydenko match fix thread, all anyone has to go with is the pattern and construe that as best as they can, lol!

World Beater
10-26-2007, 11:44 PM
Where did you read that? Is it on his blog?

You have to admit it's weird that so many of his injuries arrive during the clay/indoor season in Europe. It doesn't strike you as even slightly odd?

In your mind is there no chance that he is feigning the seriousness of these to avoid playing some of these tournament? Nothing is ever conclusive. I mean, look at the Davydenko match fix thread, all anyone has to go with is the pattern and construe that as best as they can, lol!

exactly. it all has to do with his commitment to tennis tournaments outside of the US. If he is feeling a little banged up, he wont hesitate to withdraw. Roddick has no reason why he shouldn't play the indoor season unless he is seriously injured.

The surface makes his serve almost impossible to return, and suits his game when he is being aggressive. its all about first-strike tennis.

It has nothing to do with disliking roddick. If he was in the draw, it would definately make things more interesting.

roddick skipping out during the clay season is one thing, but during the indoor season :shrug:

rocketassist
10-26-2007, 11:48 PM
Roddick and Hewitt never play Paris. They're always skipping end of season events.

Deboogle!.
10-26-2007, 11:59 PM
Where did you read that? Is it on his blog?

You have to admit it's weird that so many of his injuries arrive during the clay/indoor season in Europe. It doesn't strike you as even slightly odd?

In your mind is there no chance that he is feigning the seriousness of these to avoid playing some of these tournament? Nothing is ever conclusive. I mean, look at the Davydenko match fix thread, all anyone has to go with is the pattern and construe that as best as they can, lol!People who watched the match SAW him come down on his ankle, and that was his official reason for withdrawing? Look, I'd rather if Andy played. It's a surface that should be good for his game and he'd be better off for Davis Cup having some good matches under his belt on a similar surface. There are pages and pages in the Andy forum of his fans being displeased he's not playing. But it doesn't change the fact. He gets hurt at the end of the season a lot, that's why he misses the indoor tourneys. When he's healthy he plays though, this is a fact. Last year he re-sprained an ankle in Madrid and pulled from Lyon and Paris. Are you saying he didn't actually re-injure his ankle? His history with ankle problems is extensive, and sometimes it is serious. He'd be a FOOL to play on a slightly bum ankle with Shanghai and Davis Cup coming up. Ankle injuries have caused him to retire from two slams in his career, and countless other tournaments. you have to think about it from his perspective. It is NOT worth the risk. I don't think it's serious at all, I never said it was, but he has only a few days to heal, and I don't think it's worth the risk of ruining Davis Cup, something that means more to him than almost anything else on tour that he hasn't won yet. He'd be an idiot to risk that for a regular tour tourney.

Do I wish he would have stayed over there and gone into the draw and waited to see how he pulled up by Monday or Tuesday and put off the decision til then? yes of course. But to suggest he's feigning injuries to avoid playing in Europe is truly laughable and baseless and without any fact whatsoever.

exactly. it all has to do with his commitment to tennis tournaments outside of the US. If he is feeling a little banged up, he wont hesitate to withdraw. Roddick has no reason why he shouldn't play the indoor season unless he is seriously injured.

The surface makes his serve almost impossible to return, and suits his game when he is being aggressive. its all about first-strike tennis.

It has nothing to do with disliking roddick. If he was in the draw, it would definately make things more interesting.

roddick skipping out during the clay season is one thing, but during the indoor season :shrug::yawn: if Davis Cup was on the line, he would pull out ANYWHERE. Like I said he cannot mess around with his ankles. But you will believe whatever you want. This has nothing to do with him not wanting to play in Europe. Why would he show up for Lyon if he was just going to not play Paris? that makes no sense whatsoever! The money doesn't mean enough to him to make that trip for one lousy match in Lyon to just skip Paris. Please. Plus he wouldn't be stupid enough to allow his trainer to post on his website the day before his match in Lyon that he is feeling good and ready to play both tournaments. It is something new that happened in Lyon. you honestly expect him to play Paris on a bum ankle, really, honestly? He's not an idiot and he knows that surface is good for his game, he's won Lyon and has had pretty good runs in Paris. The fact that he would do well during the season is all the more reason why he would never just pull out of tournaments without being injured. Plus, this is like the 4th masters event he's missing this year - if he didn't have a valid medical reason, he'd be looking at SERIOUSLY huge fines. Sorry but it does have a lot to do with disliking Roddick because you only see what you want to see. You see him pull out of a tournament and instead of looking at the facts and his history, you just spout off BS about not liking playing outside the US, which I'm sorry but it does just make it sound like it's because you dislike him - it's much easier to say that than give him a fair shake. And honestly, it's hard to believe Jimmy would sit by and put up with that kind of BS.

No one gave Hewitt hell when he pulled out of the entire fall season to ensure being in perfect shape for DC. Andy hasn't even done that, he has instead picked up a couple niggling injuries in Bangkok and Lyon, and people are questioning his decision to not take the risk. Hilarious :haha:

Roddick and Hewitt never play Paris. They're always skipping end of season events.oh please Joey. look at Andy's history. He played Paris every year of his career except this year and last - both due to ankle injuries.

njnetswill
10-27-2007, 12:02 AM
Top half is scary. :help:

Poor Gasquet. :spit: :lol:

Snowwy
10-27-2007, 12:03 AM
The Haas-Robredo section of the draw will be very interesting.

Allure
10-27-2007, 12:07 AM
Top half is scary. :help:

Poor Gasquet. :spit: :lol:

Gasquet would lose even if he had Nadal's draw. He loses to any Tom, Dick, and Harry now. :o

World Beater
10-27-2007, 12:15 AM
:yawn: if Davis Cup was on the line, he would pull out ANYWHERE. Like I said he cannot mess around with his ankles. But you will believe whatever you want. This has nothing to do with him not wanting to play in Europe. Why would he show up for Lyon if he was just going to not play Paris? that makes no sense whatsoever! The money doesn't mean enough to him to make that trip for one lousy match in Lyon to just skip Paris. Please. Plus he wouldn't be stupid enough to allow his trainer to post on his website the day before his match in Lyon that he is feeling good and ready to play both tournaments. It is something new that happened in Lyon. you honestly expect him to play Paris on a bum ankle, really, honestly? He's not an idiot and he knows that surface is good for his game, he's won Lyon and has had pretty good runs in Paris. The fact that he would do well during the season is all the more reason why he would never just pull out of tournaments without being injured. Plus, this is like the 4th masters event he's missing this year - if he didn't have a valid medical reason, he'd be looking at SERIOUSLY huge fines. Sorry but it does have a lot to do with disliking Roddick because you only see what you want to see. You see him pull out of a tournament and instead of looking at the facts and his history, you just spout off BS about not liking playing outside the US, which I'm sorry but it does just make it sound like it's because you dislike him - it's much easier to say that than give him a fair shake. And honestly, it's hard to believe Jimmy would sit by and put up with that kind of BS.




LOL. absolute nonsense. If i really disliked andy, i wouldnt care for andy w/d in these tournaments. Just like a lot of his fans, im disappointed that he isn't playing. It has nothing to do with giving him a fair shake but everything to do with his commitment. I dont believe he commits himself to non-us tournaments like he should :shrug:. His record shows it the last two years and these "injuries" are just convenient excuses.

he doesn't play madrid because of injury allegedly, but he decides he's fit enough to play a schedule of Lyon, paris, tmc and davis cup? Sorry that sounds weird to me. all that means is that the injury is not serious, which means he can play and doesn't want to because paris is not high enough on his priority list. This new injury or whatever you call it cannot be serious either because as you said he's planning on playing the TMC. His commitment isn't there and it shows.

maybe i dont care about hewitt. :rolleyes:


of course anytime i question one of andy's decisions, its because im a hater :retard:

listen, i want andy to play well and hopefully he made the right decision but i have some doubts about his commitment.

hra87
10-27-2007, 12:17 AM
Well, Gonzalez is all but guaranteed a slot. So that's just one left. I was really hoping for Gasquet, but with his attitude, he doesn't deserve it. Hopefully Murray makes it (added benefit of Djokovic losing early).

R.Federer
10-27-2007, 12:19 AM
That's true (the surface would be great for him), and that is why it is all the more intriguing that he doesn't play it. But I mean, he is absolutely entitled to take time off.
But have to be honest, when clay season rolls around, he conserves by withdrawing and/or not playing at all.

Anyway, so what is the official word on Andy? Is his ankle very badly off? Where is this-- on his blog?

People who watched the match SAW him come down on his ankle, and that was his official reason for withdrawing? Look, I'd rather if Andy played. It's a surface that should be good for his game and he'd be better off for Davis Cup having some good matches under his belt on a similar surface. There are pages and pages in the Andy forum of his fans being displeased he's not playing. But it doesn't change the fact. He gets hurt at the end of the season a lot, that's why he misses the indoor tourneys. When he's healthy he plays though, this is a fact. Last year he re-sprained an ankle in Madrid and pulled from Lyon and Paris. Are you saying he didn't actually re-injure his ankle? His history with ankle problems is extensive, and sometimes it is serious. He'd be a FOOL to play on a slightly bum ankle with Shanghai and Davis Cup coming up. Ankle injuries have caused him to retire from two slams in his career, and countless other tournaments. you have to think about it from his perspective. It is NOT worth the risk. I don't think it's serious at all, I never said it was, but he has only a few days to heal, and I don't think it's worth the risk of ruining Davis Cup, something that means more to him than almost anything else on tour that he hasn't won yet. He'd be an idiot to risk that for a regular tour tourney.

Do I wish he would have stayed over there and gone into the draw and waited to see how he pulled up by Monday or Tuesday and put off the decision til then? yes of course. But to suggest he's feigning injuries to avoid playing in Europe is truly laughable and baseless and without any fact whatsoever.

:yawn: if Davis Cup was on the line, he would pull out ANYWHERE. Like I said he cannot mess around with his ankles. But you will believe whatever you want. This has nothing to do with him not wanting to play in Europe. Why would he show up for Lyon if he was just going to not play Paris? that makes no sense whatsoever! The money doesn't mean enough to him to make that trip for one lousy match in Lyon to just skip Paris. Please. Plus he wouldn't be stupid enough to allow his trainer to post on his website the day before his match in Lyon that he is feeling good and ready to play both tournaments. It is something new that happened in Lyon. you honestly expect him to play Paris on a bum ankle, really, honestly? He's not an idiot and he knows that surface is good for his game, he's won Lyon and has had pretty good runs in Paris. The fact that he would do well during the season is all the more reason why he would never just pull out of tournaments without being injured. Plus, this is like the 4th masters event he's missing this year - if he didn't have a valid medical reason, he'd be looking at SERIOUSLY huge fines. Sorry but it does have a lot to do with disliking Roddick because you only see what you want to see. You see him pull out of a tournament and instead of looking at the facts and his history, you just spout off BS about not liking playing outside the US, which I'm sorry but it does just make it sound like it's because you dislike him - it's much easier to say that than give him a fair shake. And honestly, it's hard to believe Jimmy would sit by and put up with that kind of BS.

No one gave Hewitt hell when he pulled out of the entire fall season to ensure being in perfect shape for DC. Andy hasn't even done that, he has instead picked up a couple niggling injuries in Bangkok and Lyon, and people are questioning his decision to not take the risk. Hilarious :haha:

oh please Joey. look at Andy's history. He played Paris every year of his career except this year and last - both due to ankle injuries.

njnetswill
10-27-2007, 12:21 AM
Gasquet would lose even if he had Nadal's draw. He loses to any Tom, Dick, and Harry now. :o

Sad but true. :o

rocketassist
10-27-2007, 12:25 AM
oh please Joey. look at Andy's history. He played Paris every year of his career except this year and last - both due to ankle injuries.

Oh right- but still I rarely notice him at Paris or Madrid.

All that matters is he's fit for TMC.

Deboogle!.
10-27-2007, 01:20 AM
That's true (the surface would be great for him), and that is why it is all the more intriguing that he doesn't play it. But I mean, he is absolutely entitled to take time off.
But have to be honest, when clay season rolls around, he conserves by withdrawing and/or not playing at all.

Anyway, so what is the official word on Andy? Is his ankle very badly off? Where is this-- on his blog?Let's not compare this to the clay season. taking his behavior there and saying that's why he pulled out of Madrid or paris or whatever is pointless, it's irrelevant. He's not pulling out just for time off. he's not an idiot and he knows he needs matches before Davis Cup. We don't know what the official word is. People who watched the match said he came down badly on it and was wincing and taking weight off it. Then after the match, he said his ankle was hurting and that he would decide the next day about Paris - this was corroborated by L'Equipe. The next day, he pulled out. It's not on his blog, it's not anywhere, it's what people witnessed. Perhaps his trainer will post on his website about it, but his posts are infrequent. LOL. absolute nonsense. If i really disliked andy, i wouldnt care for andy w/d in these tournaments. Just like a lot of his fans, im disappointed that he isn't playing. It has nothing to do with giving him a fair shake but everything to do with his commitment. I dont believe he commits himself to non-us tournaments like he should :shrug:. His record shows it the last two years and these "injuries" are just convenient excuses.this makes no sense. So all of a sudden in 2 years he decides to change his schedule? That's ridiculous. He hurt his ankle VERY BADLY last year before Roland Garros. He reinjured it at Madrid and had to pull out of Lyon and Paris. Are you saying he was faking it? He wanted to be fit for Shanghai. WHO in their right mind would ever play on a bum ankle? For the record, your little theory doesn't hold any merit because he's also pulled out of US tournaments with ankle problems too. A couple years ago he hurt his ankle but completed - and won - a semifinal match, then he pulled out before the final. do you think he would just hand a walkover victory in a tourney final in the US or anywhere just for kicks? His history with ankle problems clearly speaks for itself. He cannot mess with it.

he doesn't play madrid because of injury allegedly, but he decides he's fit enough to play a schedule of Lyon, paris, tmc and davis cup? Sorry that sounds weird to me. all that means is that the injury is not serious, which means he can play and doesn't want to because paris is not high enough on his priority list. This new injury or whatever you call it cannot be serious either because as you said he's planning on playing the TMC. His commitment isn't there and it shows.I didn't say any of the injuries were serious. Since when does an injury have to be serious to be legitimate? I think playing on a minor injury is flat out stupid and is asking for trouble and I am glad Andy doesn't do it. Look, he flew from Sweden to Bangkok and almost immediately hurt his foot. His knee tendinitis often flares up late in the season in summer and fall. Is it that hard to believe that he needed that one extra week to make sure he was absolutely 100% before going over? Sure maybe he was "OK" to play Madrid, but if he has these niggling injuries, is it worth the risk? No, it's not. Last year, he pulled out of Toronto before playing Cincy after he hurt a muscle in his side - his fans all believed he was probably ok to play Toronto but he didn't and we were annoyed. So he showed up in Cincy and not only gave a good showing but he practically revived his career. If he had played Toronto prematurely, who knows what would have happened. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and say could've should've. Are you next going to say that he didn't play Toronto last year b/c it's Canada and outside the US or that he has commitment issues? I'm all for criticizing Andy when he does stupid stuff - in fact I am known for it in the Andy forum and a lot of people don't like it :lol: be annoyed with the fact that maybe if he had gone into the draw and waited to see how he was on Monday or Tuesday and then pulled out at least he would've been giving himself a chance to be fit enough to play, be annoyed that he never should've scheduled himself to go from Sweden to Bangkok, that he was just asking for an injury. There are plenty of great things to criticize him for. I just don't think withdrawing from Madrid and Paris this year because his injuries weren't "serious" is one of them. If you think so, ok. We will just agree to disagree.

RickDaStick
10-27-2007, 01:23 AM
In the last 2 seasons, Roddick has only played 3 out of the 10 European TMS events. Amazing how he is always "injured" for those but not when they in America

*Viva Chile*
10-27-2007, 01:34 AM
Adam change your OP, since this stupid frenchies commited a mistake on the draw :mad:

in Gonzalez place now is Robredo and vice-versa :o :rolleyes:

Jimnik
10-27-2007, 01:40 AM
In the last 2 seasons, Roddick has only played 3 out of the 10 European TMS events. Amazing how he is always "injured" for those but not when they in America
He's not the only one. More players have withdrawn from European than American TMS events in the last two years (including non-American players). It's just unfortunate scheduling.

*Viva Chile*
10-27-2007, 01:46 AM
They changed it it's a new surface this year that's supposed to be pretty similar to the MC's

In fact, this year is on hardcourt. It seems that Carpet tennis is slowly going to die... :unsure:

Jimnik
10-27-2007, 01:50 AM
In fact, this year is on hardcourt. It seems that Carpet tennis is slowly going to die... :unsure:
Carpet, grass and rebound-ace are dying.

The ATP is nothing but clay and hard courts from now on.

krystlel
10-27-2007, 01:52 AM
Robredo's new draw. :o Because Haas is currently leading the race and only needs to equal the results of his contenders, I make him favourite to make Shanghai, closely followed by Robredo.

scoobs
10-27-2007, 01:59 AM
I'm so loving this "let's change the draw after the draw is made" nonsense.

Why has Gonzo and Robredo swapped places again? What's all this about anyway? And can we swap Ljubicic and Murray around, that works better for me :wavey:

What a joke. They should redraw - their own graphics of the live draw were apparently wrong?

shotgun
10-27-2007, 02:11 AM
They changed it it's a new surface this year that's supposed to be pretty similar to the MC's

http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/WTF_confused.gif

It's pathetic how the ATP wants all the courts in the world to play the same way.

krystlel
10-27-2007, 02:11 AM
Who knows, but how can the graphics of it be wrong? Wouldn't it be exactly the same thing they're looking at during the ceremony rather than a copy of it?

scoobs
10-27-2007, 02:19 AM
I don't know. Farcical.

I've written them an email in French to complain.

I'd love to know how we're supposed to make FT picks when the draw is apparently as changeable as the weather.

Jimnik
10-27-2007, 02:24 AM
I'm so loving this "let's change the draw after the draw is made" nonsense.

Why has Gonzo and Robredo swapped places again? What's all this about anyway? And can we swap Ljubicic and Murray around, that works better for me :wavey:

What a joke. They should redraw - their own graphics of the live draw were apparently wrong?
Shit, I didn't even notice until just now. I've never seen that before. :eek:

It does make a big difference. Robredo's TMC chances have improved dramatically and Nadal's draw looks more difficult now.

Yappa
10-27-2007, 02:32 AM
I don't know. Farcical.

I've written them an email in French to complain.

Didn't know that you speak french. :)


I'd love to know how we're supposed to make FT picks when the draw is apparently as changeable as the weather.

Weird. Wasn't the draw ceremony broadcasted? Did anyone watch it?

Too bad that we won't have a Shanghai Qualifying face off between Haas and Robredo. (Ok, we currently don't even know if Haas will play his first match, anyways.)

krystlel
10-27-2007, 02:35 AM
According to the official site, the draw was done by drawing names out of a hat, so I guess it was transcribed incorrectly then.

scoobs
10-27-2007, 02:36 AM
My French isn't great but I can get by with it and make my point. I'm better written than spoken anyway.


I watched it live. The draw I posted on page 1 that Adam reposted in post 1 was what I wrote down.

http://www.fft.fr/cms/GetDoc.asp?Type=5&ID=6507 is the PDF version released on their site

Compare it to http://tirage-rg-ref.fft.fr/web/tab.htm which is the graphic from the live drawing once completed.

Gonzalez and Robredo have been swapped around in the PDF version compared to the live draw version.

ASP0315
10-27-2007, 03:30 AM
Roddick is out. Maybe he didn't wan't to get humiliated here again. :lol:
Another "injury" excuse for him. no suprise here
He rarely plays outside US.

Yes am i the only one who likes this draw. ? :lol:
I hope federer doesn't pull out.
Tough first half draw. But these kind of matches are exiting.
paris plays very fasts. Big servers will have the edge on this surface.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-27-2007, 04:14 AM
Gonzo :help:

why those idiots changed the draw? :mad:

enqvistfan
10-27-2007, 09:13 AM
Yes, I think you are the only one :lol:

I read that this year, in Paris, the surface will be the same as in the other indoor tournaments, esp. Madrid. So, don't think it will be very very fast.

Yes am i the only one who likes this draw. ? :lol:

paris plays very fasts. Big servers will have the edge on this surface.

adee-gee
10-27-2007, 10:14 AM
Draw changed on 1st page :o

I must say, despite the cock-up, I did enjoy watching the live draw.

scarecrows
10-27-2007, 10:26 AM
lucky fuck boredo

leng jai
10-27-2007, 10:28 AM
What the fuck is this crap. Fucken faulty.

Farenhajt
10-27-2007, 10:30 AM
Mmmm, juicy draw for Nole (but I reckon such things motivate him)... interesting things could happen if Nole takes care of Murray (likely) and Nalby gets rude to Roger yet again (not very likely, but far from impossible)...

stebs
10-27-2007, 11:39 AM
I'm not a big fan of this draw.

Interesting 1st round ties

Nalbandian - Almagro
Mathieu - Ancic (again)
Ferrero - Baghdatis
Wawrinka - Kiefer

Interesting (potential) 2nd round ties

Federer - Karlovic (again)
Santoro - Djokovic
Davydenko - Lopez
Gonzalez - Youzhny

Predicted QF's (assuming Federer plays)

Federer - Berdych
Djokovic - Gasquet
Canas - Ljubicic
Haas - Nadal

MrChopin
10-27-2007, 06:30 PM
This draw is total shit. Nevermind that the top half contains all but 3-4 of the best hardcourt players. Robredo or Canas are hardly great hardcourt players, but neither could've payed for a better draw as one of them is nearly guaranteed Q. If Robredo goes to Shanghai, I'll be sick. Ljubicic is also handed semi-cake with Davydenko's recent form, but I hope that Ljubicic is gone in R2.

That said, there are still some potentially huge R3 matches to anticipate:

- Blake v. Gasquet
- Murray v. Djokovic
- Berdych v. Ferrer
- Haas v. Gonzalez
- Robredo v. Canas

BlakeorHenman
10-27-2007, 06:54 PM
It's just shitty to not see Safin in this draw :(

BlakeorHenman
10-27-2007, 06:56 PM
I'm not a big fan of this draw.

Interesting 1st round ties

Nalbandian - Almagro
Mathieu - Ancic (again)
Ferrero - Baghdatis
Wawrinka - Kiefer

Interesting (potential) 2nd round ties

Federer - Karlovic (again)
Santoro - Djokovic
Davydenko - Lopez
Gonzalez - Youzhny

Predicted QF's (assuming Federer plays)

Federer - Berdych
Djokovic - Gasquet
Canas - Ljubicic
Haas - Nadal


Canas v. Ljubicic QF? Are you high?

stebs
10-27-2007, 07:12 PM
Canas v. Ljubicic QF? Are you high?

Canas has a qualifier and to my mind you always have to pick a seeded player to beat a qualifier before they are placed. After that he is a bad matchup for the other guys in that section and I see him fighting through an R3 match.

Ljubicic, yes it's a long shot and maybe hipocritical after I said I think he's done in another thread but he still has some good tennis in him I think. Ferrero and Baghdatis are both capable of bad performances and I think that they will turn one in to give Ljubo the win and Ljubicic has a decent shot at beating Lopez in a semi-serve fest considering Davydenko is out of form and potentially injured.

Is it a very high chance? No. Is it possible? Yes, so leave me to make my silly predictions.