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Why don't the Argentines get along.

Ballbuster
06-03-2004, 04:21 PM
Is it true that the Argentines don't get along?
I heard someone on this forum say none of them like Coria, and I remember PMac said something about Nalbandian not having many friends on tour plus the French press gave him some kind of sour apple award. I also remember last year that the announcers said Coria and Zabaleta were not friends.

Is this true, and if it is, can someone explain to me why they don't get along?

Shy
06-03-2004, 04:51 PM
Never listen to the commentators on Nalbandian, Pmac and the other espn commentators seem to have a dislike toward him.I think that Nalbandian is a much more reserved guy than some of the guys and he doesn't really speak english much wich make it harder for the international press.

jmp
06-03-2004, 05:07 PM
I agree with Shy. When I was at the Houston tournament at the end of last year, I noticed that the Argentinian contingent was more enthusiastic for Coria than they were for Nalbandian. But, I think that's because of their personalities.

In the French, I've noticed a lot of national pride about their huge accomplishment. David was sitting next to Suarez's coach for her semi and he was really cheering her on.

I think David is probably a nice guy in one on one relationships. He doesn't owe the English speaking press anything. I really, really like the fact that David does his talking on the court. I like that about Lleyton, too. I could care less about their favorite color, who they're dating, or how many houses they own.

jazz_girl
06-03-2004, 05:51 PM
Yeah, that's true. I thought it was a really nice gesture from him being there and cheering for her. It's not that usual to see.

Carito_90
06-03-2004, 05:55 PM
This pic says it all

http://www.51tennis.com/cgi-bin/bbs1/UploadFile/2004640262249864.jpg

Gaudio: I wanna sleeeeeeep..
Coria: I'm gonna win RG, I'm gonna win RG lalala
Nalbi: Do I have any croissants left at home?...

alfonsojose
06-03-2004, 06:33 PM
Definitely, the pic says everything. Coria, cocky, Gaudio scared and Nalbadian relaxed as bush on a gay parade ;)

jazz_girl
06-03-2004, 06:36 PM
ROTFLMAO!!!!! :haha: :haha:

Carito_90
06-03-2004, 06:39 PM
LMFAO Alfonso :haha:

Horatio Caine
06-03-2004, 07:00 PM
Definitely, the pic says everything. Coria, cocky, Gaudio scared and Nalbadian relaxed as bush on a gay parade ;)


:haha: :haha: :haha:

Peoples
06-03-2004, 07:38 PM
Definitely, the pic says everything. Coria, cocky, Gaudio scared and Nalbadian relaxed as bush on a gay parade ;)
:D:devil:

Haasfan
06-03-2004, 08:08 PM
Argentinians are loud, cocky, macho and very blunt. Its there culture, they just are hit-blooded peeps. Nalby isnt a hardcore Argie, cos hes Armenian, thats probs why they dont get along, or just a plain clash of personalities. Hey and believe me what Argentinians are like, ive been to their bloody country!!!

Carito_90
06-03-2004, 09:23 PM
And so what? the fact that you've been for our country means that you KNOW us?
Yes, we are loud and we are cocky, but do you think we're ALL like that? I mean, I don't blame you for being damn serious, damn patriotic and damn 'i have no sense of humor' people (except for jez :) ) cuz I know not all of you are like that!

Fostin
06-03-2004, 09:42 PM
that`s a cool pic actually... :) and those are rumors created by the crap=media...

RogiFan88
06-03-2004, 10:35 PM
so... DO the Argies get along or not? hee hee... nice of David to support Paola, btw. showing his nice side.

Carito_90
06-03-2004, 11:53 PM
ahm.. i'm pretty sure Coria and Gaudio don't... but then the others may.. who knows lol

ale
06-04-2004, 12:27 AM
Argentinians are loud, cocky, macho and very blunt. Its there culture, they just are hit-blooded peeps. Nalby isnt a hardcore Argie, cos hes Armenian, thats probs why they dont get along, or just a plain clash of personalities. Hey and believe me what Argentinians are like, ive been to their bloody country!!!

Keep saying that and we are going to start to get along sooner than you think. :D We need your bloody cocky commets! :woohoo: All of them(players) are proud because Argentina is having three players on the semifinals. Surprised? :eek: When are the Brits going to have three playes on the semis of a Grand Slam? It could only happen if the brits organize a new Grand Slam in Baghdad. :haha: C'MON GUILLERMO!!!

TennisLurker
06-04-2004, 01:00 AM
Keep saying that and we are going to start to get along sooner than you think. :D We need your bloody cocky commets! :woohoo: All of them(players) are proud because Argentina is having three players on the semifinals. Surprised? :eek: When are the Brits going to have three playes on the semis of a Grand Slam? It could only happen if the brits organize a new Grand Slam in Baghdad. :haha: C'MON GUILLERMO!!!

Ale, I guess you must be really young, but, try to remember, a few years ago we only had Hernán Gumy in the top 100.

So, please try to not rub the argentinean victories in people's faces.

Chloe le Bopper
06-04-2004, 01:23 AM
Ale, I guess you must be really young, but, try to remember, a few years ago we only had Hernán Gumy in the top 100.

So, please try to not rub the argentinean victories in people's faces.
Well said, Lurker :wavey:

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 02:42 AM
so... DO the Argies get along or not? hee hee... nice of David to support Paola, btw. showing his nice side.

The media don't like Nalbandian and no matter what happens and what he achieves it will be the same, it was exactly like when Muster was playing.

Gaudio, Zabaleta, Chela and Canas get along well with each other. Gaudio and Nalbandian are friendly enough, most of them like Calleri and not many like Coria and the reasons have been explained here numerous times.

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 02:42 AM
Ale, I guess you must be really young, but, try to remember, a few years ago we only had Hernán Gumy in the top 100.

So, please try to not rub the argentinean victories in people's faces.

That's one of the best ever posts on MTF.

Shy
06-04-2004, 02:44 AM
The media don't like Nalbandian and no matter what happens and what he achieves it will be the same, it was exactly like when Muster was playing.

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Like I say many times,I don't really understand why they don't like him.I would love to see their face when he win a slam.

Horatio Caine
06-04-2004, 02:44 AM
When are the Brits going to have three playes on the semis of a Grand Slam? It could only happen if the brits organize a new Grand Slam in Baghdad. :haha:

We wouldn't get 3 in the SF even if it were held there! :lol:

Ballbuster
06-04-2004, 02:48 AM
Gaudio, Zabaleta, Chela and Canas get along well with each other. Gaudio and Nalbandian are friendly enough, most of them like Calleri and not many like Coria and the reasons have been explained here numerous times.

would you mind going over those anti-Coria reasons please GWH?

Like I said before, I think Coria is badass

Ballbuster
06-04-2004, 02:50 AM
When are the Brits going to have three playes on the semis of a Grand Slam? It could only happen if the brits organize a new Grand Slam in Baghdad

This post was ludicrous. Ale, why go there? it doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it and it's not funny at all.

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 02:53 AM
We wouldn't get 3 in the SF even if it were held there! :lol:

What if was only a 4 person draw?

Horatio Caine
06-04-2004, 02:55 AM
What if was only a 4 person draw?


Even then! :lol: We are going through another slump at the mo. :)

Horatio Caine
06-04-2004, 02:56 AM
Even then! :lol: We are going through another slump at the mo. :)

...that is apart from the wonderful work Henman is doing at the moment...but don't get me started on that! :)

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 03:01 AM
...that is apart from the wonderful work Henman is doing at the moment...but don't get me started on that! :)

At least you acknowledge that you are a bit over enthusiastic when it comes to supporting Henman. One point I need to correct you on, Coria probably along with Hewitt have the best lobs in the game.

ale
06-04-2004, 03:10 AM
...that is apart from the wonderful work Henman is doing at the moment...but don't get me started on that! :)

Who is Henman? oh...Henman Gumy :haha: Just joking Jez...I like Tim - honestly. ;)

Ballbuster
06-04-2004, 03:11 AM
someone answer my question?
Why is Coria not-liked?

willie
06-04-2004, 03:14 AM
I think people is talking here without knowing very much, here in Argentina the players are seen as friends(the only exception is gaudio and coria), the journalists of tennis show the same enthutiasm in their reports when any argentine player wins(isnt true that nalbandian has less press than other players). You have to remember tennis is an indivual sport and the relation between the players isnt as good as in a plural sport.

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 03:17 AM
someone answer my question?
Why is Coria not-liked?

There are so many posts about this topic and doing a search using Coria and gamesmanship will bring up plenty of them.

This is only the short version, well always whining about calls, using strategic toilet breaks and gamesmanship faking injury against Gaudio as an example doesn't help endear himself to many people.

ale
06-04-2004, 03:27 AM
The perception of Argentines players not getting along is plain wrong. Of course not all of them are great friends. They all got together to talk about the Davis Cup in order to be a unit on a really delicate matter. They would not do it if they would not like each other. That didnt happen before with Vilas and Clerc (those guys really didnt get along). The same with Gaudio and Chela playing doubles - they are really close. Also, who does get along in this forum with everybody except me? :woohoo:

But Willie brought up the main point - tennis is a really self centered game. So many things at stake - money - power - etc. It is tough to create a team spirit on a single man sport.

ale
06-04-2004, 03:33 AM
someone answer my question?
Why is Coria not-liked?

I heard that Coria is not liked but nobody seems to want to talk about that. I would like also like to know the real answer to that question - if there is one. I mean real facts.

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 03:40 AM
I heard that Coria is not liked but nobody seems to want to talk about that. I would like also like to know that real answer to that point - if there is one.

There was this incident and I had this confirmed as true as well.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=220359&postcount=24

Then in Hamburg, Coria was at it again with his whining about line calls and the umpire told him to be quiet. Then when Coria hit a huge double fault and Horna was ready to walk to the other side, then Coria said something to Horna about giving him a second serve, and then they argued and Horna said I am not Gaudio, I will hit you properly.

ale
06-04-2004, 03:48 AM
There was this incident and I had this confirmed as true as well.....

Now that is intersting. :eek: Thanks.

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 03:58 AM
Now that is intersting. :eek: Thanks.

No probs ale there are others concerning Coria. The time he faked injury against Gaudio at Hamburg 2003 to throw Gaudio out after Gato won the 2nd set. Then there was the antics during the Zabaleta match at the French Open last year, which didn't help him win many friends.

Then again Coria was one who got a lot of help from the federation, whereas a lot of guys like Calleri and Canas never did and Gaudio said in his press conference about the lack of support from the federation.

Gaudio: Juan, Mariano, you know, all the younger ones, Canas, Agustin, sometimes we have been in situations that are, well, complicated. It's nothing really complicated. But sometimes there was no money to travel or we had to cancel a tour. Sometimes you had to stay in Europe for an extra month to wait for the next tournament. We couldn't go back home because we couldn't pay the airfare. Of course, this means you suffer more than you usually would. That has a price. It's very difficult to reach the level that we have now.

ale
06-04-2004, 04:44 AM
GW...I am not sure how to use all that information because I am sure other players have the same or more dirt than Coria. I dont know...I am not into the gossip of the circuit and that keeps things fresh for me. I always admired McEnroe despite of all the crazyness he brought with him.

ale
06-04-2004, 04:45 AM
I mean if we talk about all Coria's dirt then we have to dig on the others players too in order to be fair. Just a thought/

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 04:54 AM
I mean if we talk about all Coria's dirt then we have to dig on the others players too in order to be fair. Just a thought/

Gaudio, Mariano, Canas, Calleri don't go around polarising people like Coria does, most people either love him or loathe him, the other guys don't do it as a general rule. These guys don't exactly whine consistently and use questionable but legal tactics when they play especially when they are in trouble.

Those incidents happened, not a question of gossip I was just answering a question that has been asked too many times.

ale
06-04-2004, 05:07 AM
And I thank you for answering my question. I just posted my thoughts not sure that polarizing is something wrong. But that's my point of view.

ale
06-04-2004, 05:09 AM
I do understand your point of view.

ale
06-04-2004, 11:19 PM
From both interviews today:

Q. What happens if you lose? Do you prefer that it's an Argentinian player who actually wins?

GUILLERMO CORIA: Well, yes, of course, for Argentinian tennis. Of course, if it's a Spaniard or somebody else who wins, well, I don't know. I prefer an Argentinian player to win. If Gaston wins, I am sure it will be entirely deserved because of everything that's happened.
He was criticized very much. He struggled. He went through difficult times. I think today he's really delighted by what's happened. Nothing is a coincidence in life.
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Q. In the event that you might be facing Coria, can you describe your relationship with him.

GASTON GAUDIO: It's perfect.

Q. It's perfect? Hamburg notwithstanding last year?

GASTON GAUDIO: Yeah, but we talk about it, and that's it. It's over. Everything is clear now.

Action Jackson
06-05-2004, 08:12 AM
From both interviews today:

Q. What happens if you lose? Do you prefer that it's an Argentinian player who actually wins?

GUILLERMO CORIA: Well, yes, of course, for Argentinian tennis. Of course, if it's a Spaniard or somebody else who wins, well, I don't know. I prefer an Argentinian player to win. If Gaston wins, I am sure it will be entirely deserved because of everything that's happened.
He was criticized very much. He struggled. He went through difficult times. I think today he's really delighted by what's happened. Nothing is a coincidence in life.
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Q. In the event that you might be facing Coria, can you describe your relationship with him.

GASTON GAUDIO: It's perfect.

Q. It's perfect? Hamburg notwithstanding last year?

GASTON GAUDIO: Yeah, but we talk about it, and that's it. It's over. Everything is clear now.

Of course they are going to be complimentary to each other publically especially before the biggest match of their lives, and it makes sense not to say anything bad, to try and give an edge to the opponent.