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Cilic def. Davydenko 1-6 7-5 6-1, Davydenko fined for lack of best effort

scoobs
10-25-2007, 05:11 PM
Strange match.

Davydenko got a code violation for lack of effort in the 3rd set

Then he got into a long argument about whether or not he needed the doctor and why he wasn't really trying.

Totally bizarre.

It hasn't done much to clear his reputation for unusual match resolutions, to put it politely.

TMJordan
10-25-2007, 05:12 PM
Davy doing what he does best in front of his home crowd :yeah:

Get this living pile of scum out of the game.

SwiSha
10-25-2007, 05:13 PM
what is strange on that?

fixing tanking

Deboogle!.
10-25-2007, 05:13 PM
Would he really be THAT stupid????? I mean, that is almost impossible to believe.....if he'd be so stupid to not only do it but make it so obvious, i really really hope he gets what he deserves.

TankingTheSet
10-25-2007, 05:13 PM
I think the code violation was probably based on prejudice and bad reputation. He wasn't physically right after winning Moscow. There's no way he would purposely lose a match with all the eyes and pressure on him.

He may have been involved in some dodgy matches, but I fear a lynch mob mentality is developing against him.

SwiSha
10-25-2007, 05:14 PM
Would he really be THAT stupid????? I mean, that is almost impossible to believe.....if he'd be so stupid to not only do it but make it so obvious, i really really hope he gets what he deserves.

i believe he is that stupid Deb

TMJordan
10-25-2007, 05:14 PM
Yes, he is definatly that stupid.

Corey Feldman
10-25-2007, 05:15 PM
:haha: take that Davydonkey... wanna slam Murray some more about fixing just to divert attention from yourself? well goodbye from this tournament at least :wavey:

What a total and utter scumbag of tennis this horrible Russian is

LocoPorElTenis
10-25-2007, 05:16 PM
The scoreline and circumstances STRONGLY suggest a fixed match. Any odd betting patterns?

Blue Heart24
10-25-2007, 05:16 PM
:woohoo:

Jadranka
10-25-2007, 05:17 PM
:lol: well done marine :yeah:

Deboogle!.
10-25-2007, 05:17 PM
i believe he is that stupid DebI mean, if so, that's so stupid that it takes stupidity to a whole new level i didn't even know existed. :o

+alonso
10-25-2007, 05:17 PM
Such a disgrace! Boo for him!

danton
10-25-2007, 05:17 PM
I started a thread asking what Davy and the Umpire were arguing about. A couple of people said the umpire told him off for not making an effort. If Davy was then he was being very stupid.

Any ideas why my thread was deleted - there were no bad/rude posts?

Deboogle!.
10-25-2007, 05:18 PM
I started a thread asking what Davy and the Umpire were arguing about. A couple of people said the umpire told him off for not making an effort. If Davy was then he was being very stupid.

Any ideas why my thread was deleted - there were no bad/rude posts?probably b/c it was a discussion of a match as it was going on, which is against the rules for GM

Fergie
10-25-2007, 05:19 PM
Davydenko :cuckoo: :cuckoo: :cuckoo:

Marin :yeah:

TankingTheSet
10-25-2007, 05:20 PM
By the way this match was NOT covered by the betfair (where the Vassallo match betting odds caused uproar) so there were probably no suspect betting odds.

scoobs
10-25-2007, 05:21 PM
The umpire gave him a code violation for "lack of best effort" ie pretty much accusing him of tanking.

He argued, the umpire cited a lot of double faults, Davydenko said sometimes he does that, like in the Moscow final, umpire said yeah but you served 4 in like 2 games and only 1 the whole second set, plus you weren't trying to return Cilic's serve very hard, Davydenko's all like I have problems, umpire said I asked you if you were okay a couple of games ago and you said it was nothing, why haven't you called the doctor, then Davydenko attempted to call the doctor then, claiming rather weakly he had pain in his legs. Umpire wouldn't have it, they argue some more, umpire's had enough and say resume play, Davydenko wants the doctor, umpire says not now, at the next change of ends ask them if you want him, play resumes. Davydenko does not call for the doctor at the change of ends.

LocoPorElTenis
10-25-2007, 05:22 PM
The umpire gave him a code violation for "lack of best effort" ie pretty much accusing him of tanking.

He argued, the umpire cited a lot of double faults, Davydenko said sometimes he does that, like in the Moscow final, umpire said yeah but you served 4 in like 2 games and only 1 the whole second set, plus you weren't trying to return Cilic's serve very hard, Davydenko's all like I have problems, umpire said I asked you if you were okay a couple of games ago and you said it was nothing, why haven't you called the doctor, then Davydenko attempted to call the doctor then, claiming rather weakly he had pain in his legs. Umpire wouldn't have it, they argue some more, umpire's had enough and say resume play, Davydenko wants the doctor, umpire says not now, at the next change of ends ask them if you want him, play resumes. Davydenko does not call for the doctor at the change of ends.

:spit:

What a fixing bastard.

Merton
10-25-2007, 05:24 PM
I watched the match from the end of the 2nd set, PMK was utter crap but that happens to him occassionaly, he just had to catch that plane to Paris. It was a semi-tank, he didn't really give a crap about this match.

However, a tank is different than a fix.

Fergie
10-25-2007, 05:26 PM
I started a thread asking what Davy and the Umpire were arguing about. A couple of people said the umpire told him off for not making an effort. If Davy was then he was being very stupid.

Any ideas why my thread was deleted - there were no bad/rude posts?

No Livescores/discussion of matches during a match in GM :wavey:

Corey Feldman
10-25-2007, 05:31 PM
Dedicated to Vladimir Putin.

danton
10-25-2007, 05:34 PM
No Livescores/discussion of matches during a match in GM :wavey:

Thanks but no one on that thread knew which is why I asked GM people. Why on earth is this thread and others like it in GM then and not in the tournament section.

Sorry i'm not a troll but i feel like i've been treated like a 5 year old.:sad:

*Viva Chile*
10-25-2007, 05:35 PM
Fixed

never in doubt :p

*Viva Chile*
10-25-2007, 05:38 PM
No Livescores/discussion of matches during a match in GM :wavey:

if only mods respect this rule all the time :rolleyes: all we know that there not always been like that. ex: discussion of crowd behavior in certain matches. :o

Psichogauchovna
10-25-2007, 05:42 PM
have some rest, Kolya :o :rolleyes:

adee-gee
10-25-2007, 05:44 PM
The umpire gave him a code violation for "lack of best effort" ie pretty much accusing him of tanking.

He argued, the umpire cited a lot of double faults, Davydenko said sometimes he does that, like in the Moscow final, umpire said yeah but you served 4 in like 2 games and only 1 the whole second set, plus you weren't trying to return Cilic's serve very hard, Davydenko's all like I have problems, umpire said I asked you if you were okay a couple of games ago and you said it was nothing, why haven't you called the doctor, then Davydenko attempted to call the doctor then, claiming rather weakly he had pain in his legs. Umpire wouldn't have it, they argue some more, umpire's had enough and say resume play, Davydenko wants the doctor, umpire says not now, at the next change of ends ask them if you want him, play resumes. Davydenko does not call for the doctor at the change of ends.
:haha: man I wished I watched it.

The sooner we get this guy out the game the better.

Who was the umpire? He should be given god status on MTF :hatoff:

Björki
10-25-2007, 05:50 PM
:rolleyes:

dijus
10-25-2007, 05:56 PM
kick this russian dickhead from tour please

cmurray
10-25-2007, 06:00 PM
no.freaking.way.

I didn't know you could get fined for lack of effort. That's just INSANE. Have any other top players ever gotten a code violation for this before?

trixtah
10-25-2007, 06:01 PM
The scoreline and circumstances STRONGLY suggest a fixed match. Any odd betting patterns?

I don't see how. Cilic gets blown away in the first, he starts to play to his game in the second, Davydenko injured/Cilic playing well in the third. What are you smoking? Give me some of that shit!

no.freaking.way.

I didn't know you could get fined for lack of effort. That's just INSANE. Have any other top players ever gotten a code violation for this before?

Yeah, Marat hahaha

@topic--Just like someone else said--you guys can bitch about fixing for the rest of your lives but he'd have to literally be a retard or offered a billion dollars to throw a match when there is so much attention already on him. You think that when they're having an investigation he's going to accept any bribes (assuming he did fix)? Probably someone from the ATP calling him up so of course he's going to keep it on the down low. Come on, think!!

Sunset of Age
10-25-2007, 06:08 PM
'Bizarre' is the appropriate word indeed. I think we should abstain from convicting someone when the proof is still not there though, but he sure isn't making things any easier on himself...

LocoPorElTenis
10-25-2007, 06:09 PM
I don't see how. Cilic gets blown away in the first, he starts to play to his game in the second, Davydenko injured/Cilic playing well in the third. What are you smoking? Give me some of that shit!


You are "conveniently" forgetting all of the following facts:

1) It's Davydenko we're talking about.
2) It's St. Petersburg.
3) Kolya >>>>> Cilic.
4) Kolya got a "lack of best effort" violation.
5) Davydenko didn't call the trainer in the whole match nor retired.

Corey Feldman
10-25-2007, 06:09 PM
Yeah Safin at the Aussie Open once, when he was a kid.... getting thrashed by Grant Stafford

7-6 6-4 6-1 ... so you could see his effort levels were going down by the minute :lol:

trixtah
10-25-2007, 06:10 PM
People really think that--assuming he fixed--he would take bribes right now, right now, when all the attention is on him? Anyone offering him bribes could easily be an ATP agent or rat him out.

You are "conveniently" forgetting all of the following facts:

1) It's Davydenko we're talking about.
2) It's St. Petersburg.
3) Kolya >>>>> Cilic.
4) Kolya got a "lack of best effort" violation.
5) Davydenko didn't call the trainer in the whole match nor retired.

And so your conclusion immediately points to fixing? Ridiculous. I mean it's suspicious and all but you would LITERALLY have to be mentally challenged to accept a bribe in his shoes at this point in time.

markd
10-25-2007, 06:10 PM
Maybe he is setting the stage so he can exit the DC ?

Deathless Mortal
10-25-2007, 06:15 PM
Marin :yeah:

Fee
10-25-2007, 06:21 PM
People really think that--assuming he fixed--he would take bribes right now, right now, when all the attention is on him? Anyone offering him bribes could easily be an ATP agent or rat him out.

And so your conclusion immediately points to fixing? Ridiculous. I mean it's suspicious and all but you would LITERALLY have to be mentally challenged to accept a bribe in his shoes at this point in time.

Excellent points. I do not think for one minute Davydenko was trying to fix this match, that wouldn't just be stupid it would be suicide. He just didn't care, it happens. Happened in a Challenger match last week, no one accused that player of fixing.

Peoples
10-25-2007, 06:32 PM
Stop bashing Davydenko

Chris Seahorse
10-25-2007, 06:37 PM
Excellent points. I do not think for one minute Davydenko was trying to fix this match, that wouldn't just be stupid it would be suicide. He just didn't care, it happens. Happened in a Challenger match last week, no one accused that player of fixing.

Agree. I am wouldn't want to speculate to much on whether Davydenko had fixed matches in the past, on that I have an open mind and wouldn't be too surprised either way, but as to fixing matches now with the whole world looking at him well he would have to be out of his mind.

That said, if I was in his shoes right now there is no way on earth I would want to put myself in a position where I could be accused of tanking a match. As has been said before, there is a huge difference between tanking a match and fixing a match, tanking, which is basically giving up, is something that at some level goes on frequently in tennis, and while it is hardly admirable, it isn't a hanging offence either. But in Davydenko's current situation to tank a match like he has just done is like throwing lighter fluid in a fire. So maybe he really is mad. Can a reputation go any lower?

Yappa
10-25-2007, 06:38 PM
So was Davydenko punished for being a bad actor?
He's surely not the first player with the lack of any interest in the result of the match he's playing.

TankingTheSet
10-25-2007, 06:41 PM
Why must Davydenko have "tanked" the match, I think he tried to win but just ran out of steam as his lack of fitness got the better of him. (Remember he was injured when closing out the match against Mathieu in Moscow and withdrew from Madrid).

Chris Seahorse
10-25-2007, 06:49 PM
So was Davydenko punished for being a bad actor?
He's surely not the first player with the lack of any interest in the result of the match he's playing.

True. I am sure if were a professional tennis player there would be days when I wouldn't give it as much effort as I should. I'm human and like most people I have good and bad days. But if I was in Davydenko's exceptional and unique position well that would be different. I would be terrified of the consequences of being accused of not giving it my best and realising the scrutiny I was under I would surely try to play every match like my career rided on it which in Davydenko's case may very well be the reality. For him to allow himself to lose in the manner he did with the whole world looking at him is truely bizarre. I really don't know what to make of it but the guy sure seems to have some kind of death wish.

LocoPorElTenis
10-25-2007, 06:52 PM
Excellent points. I do not think for one minute Davydenko was trying to fix this match, that wouldn't just be stupid it would be suicide. He just didn't care, it happens. Happened in a Challenger match last week, no one accused that player of fixing.

Even more stupid is to make the match look like a fix if he wasn't really trying to fix it...

Fee
10-25-2007, 06:55 PM
Please, I'm not a tennis player and I have days at work where I basically look busy and get nothing done because I'm just not in the effing mood. Why can't that be what happened to Davydenko today? Just because he had an audience?

Even more stupid is to make the match look like a fix if he wasn't really trying to fix it...

Do you really think he was thinking about it that much? I doubt it.

Corey Feldman
10-25-2007, 06:55 PM
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/waffen/violent-smiley-090.gif Alert.

trixtah
10-25-2007, 06:59 PM
Even more stupid is to make the match look like a fix if he wasn't really trying to fix it...

That would be pretty smart now that I think about it. When asked about the Cilic match he could be all like, "Oh, everyone had their eye on me about the fixing but this match turned out the same as that match so this is proof that I'm not a fixer."

Assuming he fixed the match, of course, which we have no conclusive proof of

danton
10-25-2007, 07:01 PM
Whatever happened DAvy is not doing himself any favours and i'm not sure he can now - other than only losing to top 15 players i can't see him breaking free of this. Murray was a bit daft in his comments but Davy's back were pathetic, he's under pressure and even if he is found blameless in all this when he retires this will be his epitaph

cherry@cupcake
10-25-2007, 07:13 PM
I didn't even know such a code violation existed.

People have mentioned that Marat was given the same code before. Have any other players ever been 'told off' by the umpire for not trying?

Oh, and I'm with Trixtah and Fee on this. The man's an idiot if this is all done on purpose. Now is definitely not the time, and as it is I bet the ATP ask him some questions.

RickDaStick
10-25-2007, 07:13 PM
You have to be extremely stupid to think Davydenko was in on a fix . The guy just didnt give a shit today, and no one besides the people who paid to watch him should care.

Fee
10-25-2007, 07:39 PM
You have to be extremely stupid to think Davydenko was in on a fix . The guy just didnt give a shit today, and no one besides the people who paid to watch him should care.

EXACTLY!!!! :worship: :worship:

dylan24
10-25-2007, 07:43 PM
he needs to be banned for life
of course atp is too gutless to do anything

Sjengster
10-25-2007, 08:02 PM
Particularly bad timing considering what's coming up next week, of course - I wonder what kind of reception he'll get in Paris.

elessar
10-25-2007, 08:06 PM
Particularly bad timing considering what's coming up next week, of course - I wonder what kind of reception he'll get in Paris.

Like before I would think, even with the match fixing scandal and winning Bercy he's still pretty unknown...

Chris Seahorse
10-25-2007, 08:08 PM
I certainly do not believe the guy to have fixed today's match. The worst thing I would accuse him of today would be a severe lack of self preservation.

cmurray
10-25-2007, 08:09 PM
Particularly bad timing considering what's coming up next week, of course - I wonder what kind of reception he'll get in Paris.

I shudder to think. While I agree with most that he probably just tanked instead of "fixing" the match, it is STILL stupid of him to do it right now when people are watching him closely. And you can certainly bank on the fact that tennis commentators will be reminding and informing fans of this fine often.

It was just a dumb thing to do.

bad gambler
10-25-2007, 08:12 PM
It's not like Davydenko has been averse to a tank before in his career. :lol:


Good for Marin

musefanatic
10-25-2007, 08:13 PM
Code violaton for lack of effort??? that sounds really odd :lol: Ah i don't know what's going on with him at the moment, maybe this whole match fixing thing is taking its tole on him, ah well, well done Cilic :)

Deboogle!.
10-25-2007, 08:14 PM
Who was the umpire? He should be given god status on MTF :hatoff:Yeah, I'd like to know as well. Scoobs, anyone who saw it?

Tommy fan
10-25-2007, 08:15 PM
Was that fixed??? I was sure 100% he'll win in 2 by lloking on the scorbored!..

Damn, now Murray will win and Pass Tommy (Haas!) on the race... :sad:

scoobs
10-25-2007, 08:16 PM
Hold please. It was not one of the usual suspects.

Corey Feldman
10-25-2007, 08:18 PM
There is definetely something not right about Davydenko, not legal....

even the way he went after Muzza and said the ATP should go after him and he flat out accused muzza of being a cheat, like he thinks that gets him of the hook.

he's a real bad egg this one, his days on tour should be numbered.

MariaV
10-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Mikey, I have to agree with you this time. :tape: :scared:
Davy's comment about Murray was totally stupid.

scoobs
10-25-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm not sure who it was - he was French but not one of the usual suspects.

Corey Feldman
10-25-2007, 08:30 PM
Mikey, I have to agree with you this time. :tape: :scared:Me just --> http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/obm.gif


Edit: without the bow in my hair obviously

Deboogle!.
10-25-2007, 08:33 PM
I'm not sure who it was - he was French but not one of the usual suspects.oh ok thanks! interesting.

Bilbo
10-25-2007, 08:43 PM
this donkey is good

magarah64
10-25-2007, 08:47 PM
I'm no expert and I don't care for Davydenko, but doesn't he play alot more tournaments than most the other top guys?? I may be wrong, but I think he plays more than most the other top 10 or even top 20. Seems like he has a right to crash out some and it doesn't seem like he would play so many if he didn't care. Like I said, I don't care for him, but sometimes it's easy to get on the witch hunt bandwagon, especially on someone like him who lacks a personality, looks, charm, etc................

Bilbo
10-25-2007, 08:52 PM
this is what i meant a few weeks ago. donkey is giving his best in moscow and crashes out early in st. petersburg. he does this each year.

alelysafina
10-25-2007, 09:14 PM
Nikolay has been injured since winning Moscow, that's why he pulled out of Madrid and why he was contemplating calling a doctor. Most people don't know but if the Moscow final had gone into a third set Nikolay would have pulled out because he could barely serve. His shoulder was completely swollen and he was in complete pain. This comes from Irina herself. Nikolay is injured but he is trying his best to work through all of this and get healthy in time for the TMC.

TMJordan
10-25-2007, 09:37 PM
Nikolay has been injured since winning Moscow, that's why he pulled out of Madrid and why he was contemplating calling a doctor. Most people don't know but if the Moscow final had gone into a third set Nikolay would have pulled out because he could barely serve. His shoulder was completely swollen and he was in complete pain. This comes from Irina herself. Nikolay is injured but he is trying his best to work through all of this and get healthy in time for the TMC.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4007/realtongueio0.gif

ReturnWinner
10-25-2007, 09:39 PM
:tape:

ChinoRios4Ever
10-25-2007, 09:40 PM
code violation lack of best effort :haha: :haha: :haha:

what a fixer this PMK

Deboogle!.
10-25-2007, 09:46 PM
Nikolay has been injured since winning Moscow, that's why he pulled out of Madrid and why he was contemplating calling a doctor. Most people don't know but if the Moscow final had gone into a third set Nikolay would have pulled out because he could barely serve. His shoulder was completely swollen and he was in complete pain. This comes from Irina herself. Nikolay is injured but he is trying his best to work through all of this and get healthy in time for the TMC.Why doesn't he pull out? I realize the desire to play at home, but playing while hurt is just plain dumb. It shortens careers. He also has the Davis Cup final, doesn't he care about perhaps doing more damage by continuing to play? Whether he fixed, tanked, or just played while hurt - none of them are particularly smart decisions for various reasons!

ufokart
10-25-2007, 10:04 PM
Well, this was a hilarious match to say the least :haha:

player2k0
10-25-2007, 10:06 PM
you people are paranoid:eek:

alelysafina
10-25-2007, 10:13 PM
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4007/realtongueio0.gif

:rolleyes:

RickDaStick
10-25-2007, 10:27 PM
"I was so upset with the whole thing I started crying," added Davydenko

:haha: :haha: :haha: Poor guy

TMJordan
10-25-2007, 10:28 PM
"I was so upset with the whole thing I started crying," added Davydenko

:haha: :haha: :haha: Poor guy

:haha: :haha: :haha:

rocketassist
10-25-2007, 10:28 PM
Nice tank Davy.

Erno v Marin- bring it on. :)

Deboogle!.
10-25-2007, 10:46 PM
It's not like he'd be the first or last player to take stupid decisions with his body/schedule. :lol: Like I said, I highly doubt he or anyone in his situation would be so stupid as to fix/tank a match when all eyes are on him, whether or not he is guilty in the match he's being investigated over.oh of course, i never meant to suggest otherwise, but someone in his situation should also want to be pretty freaking careful. add that to the fact that he has TMC and the DC final coming up - that's the time most guys are going to try to be as smart as possible with their schedule and most of all take no unnecessary risks. I wasn't suggesting he fixed or tanked, but something about this just doesn't sit right with me either.

stebs
10-25-2007, 10:47 PM
Match of the year.

Mane
10-25-2007, 10:53 PM
Who was the chair umpire of that match. At Ljubljana challenger Kollerer has played
recreationally and the chair umpire Zsolt Beda just smiled and didn't give warning.
When I asked Zsolt after the match he has told me that He knows Dani tanked but he doesn't want problems.

cmurray
10-25-2007, 11:31 PM
Who was the chair umpire of that match. At Ljubljana challenger Kollerer has played
recreationally and the chair umpire Zsolt Beda just smiled and didn't give warning.
When I asked Zsolt after the match he has told me that He knows Dani tanked but he doesn't want problems.

well...considering we're talking about Crazy Dani, I can well understand why he didn't fine him. I wouldn't have either.

Henry Chinaski
10-25-2007, 11:36 PM
no way was this a fix for the simple reason that no bookmaker in the world would take a significant bet on a davydenko match at the moment.

maybe he thought retiring would look even more suspicious or he was trying to make some sort of righteous point along the lines of "they accuse me when I retire so fuck them, I'll show them what the alternative looks like". who the fuck knows. total enigma this davydenko. as JayJay showed yesterday, a good marketer's dream.

stebs
10-25-2007, 11:40 PM
Funny to see 'boring old Davydenko' getting everyone riled up. :lol:

jayjay
10-26-2007, 12:08 AM
It hasn't done much to clear his reputation for unusual match resolutions, to put it politely.

Only adds to his marketability as I explained in another thread. Look at him now, he cries on court. The man covers every inch of the court and cries such is his desire in public. They will make a movie about him and it won't go straight to video.

tangerine_dream
10-26-2007, 12:12 AM
Davydenko's reputation is actually worse than Cañas's now. :lol:

no.freaking.way.

I didn't know you could get fined for lack of effort. That's just INSANE. Have any other top players ever gotten a code violation for this before?
I think Safin has before.

jayjay
10-26-2007, 12:13 AM
The umpire gave him a code violation for "lack of best effort" ie pretty much accusing him of tanking.

He argued, the umpire cited a lot of double faults, Davydenko said sometimes he does that, like in the Moscow final, umpire said yeah but you served 4 in like 2 games and only 1 the whole second set, plus you weren't trying to return Cilic's serve very hard

Thank god Mago is a good returner otherwise he'd have been tank fucked by this umpire enough times.

bad gambler
10-26-2007, 12:24 AM
Thank god Mago is a good returner otherwise he'd have been tank fucked by this umpire enough times.

:lol:

Merton
10-26-2007, 12:38 AM
There is a clear difference between a fix and a tank. The first involves gaining money against uninformed gamblers by pre-determining the outcome of the match. The second involves lack of effort and/or motivation, indifference towards the outcome of the match.

jayjay
10-26-2007, 12:45 AM
There is a clear difference between a fix and a tank.

The difference is clear. The signals couldn't be more blurry.

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 12:49 AM
Denko has already lost to Cilic and Korolev and almost did to D. Young, it would not be a suprise if Del Potro and Gulbis beat him in a near future

Merton
10-26-2007, 12:52 AM
The difference is clear. The signals couldn't be more blurry.

Fixes are usually accompanied by strange line moves, due to insiders trading against non-insiders. Tanks are much less clear, the odds may look strange before the match if too many gamblers see it coming but I guess there would be less dramatic midmatch fluctuations. :lol:

CyBorg
10-26-2007, 01:51 AM
Please, I'm not a tennis player and I have days at work where I basically look busy and get nothing done because I'm just not in the effing mood. Why can't that be what happened to Davydenko today? Just because he had an audience?

Exactly. People here can stick it. Nikolai is coming off an injury and he was clearly not feeling well.

He's an athlete - not superman.

gulzhan
10-26-2007, 02:30 AM
There is a clear difference between a fix and a tank. The first involves gaining money against uninformed gamblers by pre-determining the outcome of the match. The second involves lack of effort and/or motivation, indifference towards the outcome of the match.

thanks for the efforts, thank you very much! the only reasonable poster :worship:

i am sick of this bashing thread :eek:

easy to kick a man laying on the ground..... and praising the umpire here is a total bshit... davydenko could not or did not want to play which we see on tour pretty often and the umpire simply used the situation to get on the thread title, jerk!

davydenko should have learnt how to stay cool but i understand the man under the circumstances... it's a miracle he still gets up and goes to play...

and all this crap about him being or not-being on tour?! thankfully, it's not for you to decide, bunch of losers.... it's sport! he gets his ranking by playing and winning matches, not by posting shit on mtf!

Davai, Kolya! :devil:

Corey Feldman
10-26-2007, 02:32 AM
"I was so upset with the whole thing I started crying," added Davydenko

:haha: :haha: :haha: Poor guy:lol:

never believe one word Koyla says, thats what i say.

TMJordan
10-26-2007, 02:33 AM
thanks for the efforts, thank you very much! the only reasonable poster :worship:

i am sick of this bashing thread :eek:

easy to kick a man laying on the ground..... and praising the umpire here is a total bshit... davydenko could not or did not want to play which we see on tour pretty often and the umpire simply used the situation to get on the thread title, jerk!

davydenko should have learnt how to stay cool but i understand the man under the circumstances... it's a miracle he still gets up and goes to play...

and all this crap about him being or not-being on tour?! thankfully, it's not for you to decide, bunch of losers.... it's sport! he gets his ranking by playing and winning matches, not by posting shit on mtf!

Davai, Kolya! :devil:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4007/realtongueio0.gif

DeuX.cl
10-26-2007, 02:59 AM
thank god this guy hasn't won a GS

jayjay
10-26-2007, 02:59 AM
Fixes are usually accompanied by strange line moves, due to insiders trading against non-insiders. Tanks are much less clear, the odds may look strange before the match if too many gamblers see it coming but I guess there would be less dramatic midmatch fluctuations. :lol:

I agree.

I was referring to the the on court action. A fix (not all) starts off by looking like a tank. On court there is no way of differentiating between a tank and a fix. A player who tanks (we know there are many, and that there are many of those matches throughout each and every year) can easily and lazily be accused of fixing by the many arm chair mafia out there who like to cry fix everytime a match doesn't go their way and the losing player didn't play the match of their life and run for each and every lost cause.

On a tangent, I do find it both strange and curious as to why tennis players are held to a higher standard on this regard. A player can potentially be punished by the umpire for perceived lack of effort. This is highly dangerous and subjective. What gives the umpire the ability to know whether player A, B or C is truly giving it their all or just simply having a shit day at the office after a long and tiring season?

Only in tennis (off the top of my head) can I recall there being such a potential situation. You wouldn't see a football match between one side playing well and another looking lethargic and disinterested (for a multitude of reasons from bad team morale to lack of respect for the coach) where the ref decides to deduct a goal or award a penalty against the disinterested team for perceived lack of effort.

It's a rule that needs changing. Umpires have no better judgement than anyone else and we've all seen tanks this season and in past seasons and when are players penalised for it? I can only remember Safin and now today's incident.

Umpires should stick to calling out the score (and some of them can't even do that properly re: Sprem/Venus @ Wimbledon a few years back).

Action Jackson
10-26-2007, 03:09 AM
Funny that Gaudio has never got one of these, but as usual the majority of people can't tell the difference between a tank and a fix.

Davydenko has never given a fuck about playing well in St. Petersburg, so this isn't unusual.

Merton
10-26-2007, 04:47 AM
I agree.

I was referring to the the on court action. A fix (not all) starts off by looking like a tank. On court there is no way of differentiating between a tank and a fix. A player who tanks (we know there are many, and that there are many of those matches throughout each and every year) can easily and lazily be accused of fixing by the many arm chair mafia out there who like to cry fix everytime a match doesn't go their way and the losing player didn't play the match of their life and run for each and every lost cause.

On a tangent, I do find it both strange and curious as to why tennis players are held to a higher standard on this regard. A player can potentially be punished by the umpire for perceived lack of effort. This is highly dangerous and subjective. What gives the umpire the ability to know whether player A, B or C is truly giving it their all or just simply having a shit day at the office after a long and tiring season?

Only in tennis (off the top of my head) can I recall there being such a potential situation. You wouldn't see a football match between one side playing well and another looking lethargic and disinterested (for a multitude of reasons from bad team morale to lack of respect for the coach) where the ref decides to deduct a goal or award a penalty against the disinterested team for perceived lack of effort.

It's a rule that needs changing. Umpires have no better judgement than anyone else and we've all seen tanks this season and in past seasons and when are players penalised for it? I can only remember Safin and now today's incident.

Umpires should stick to calling out the score (and some of them can't even do that properly re: Sprem/Venus @ Wimbledon a few years back).

Well, I doubt that Davydenko would get a warning in this match if it was not about the publicity he got about fixing, he just carries too much attention these days. It is good to have a rule as it is now as long as it is carried with discretion. There is no remedy about tanking, there will always be players who just don't care, or don't bother, or don't feel like pushing themselves. Ultimately it hurts the tankers, the fans that watch this "effort" and perhaps some player that lost a spot in the main draw due to the presence of the tanker.

Fixing is a different thing as it involves uninformed gamblers and bookies writing checks to the fixer and the mafia that organizes the fix.

Merton
10-26-2007, 04:49 AM
Funny that Gaudio has never got one of these, but as usual the majority of people can't tell the difference between a tank and a fix.

Davydenko has never given a fuck about playing well in St. Petersburg, so this isn't unusual.

When I saw this post the first thing that came to my mind was the 1st round match against Brian Baker at the 2005 US Open. Pure quality.

Kolya
10-26-2007, 04:50 AM
Any video of the 3rd set?

"Hitting the ball too hard" :lol:

RickDaStick
10-26-2007, 04:51 AM
I do find it a little funny Davydenko had 0 Double faults in the 1st then managed 10 over the next 2 sets indoors

Kolya
10-26-2007, 04:58 AM
Independent Online Davydenko warned for lack of effort

October 26 2007 at 02:44AM

By Gennady Fyodorov

St Petersburg - Top seed Nikolay Davydenko received a warning from the umpire for not trying hard enough as he lost to Croatian qualifier Marin Cilic 1-6 7-5 6-1 in the second round of the St Petersburg Open on Thursday.

The Russian played near flawless tennis in the first set but then started making numerous errors and committed 10 double-faults in the last two sets.

He was then warned by Belgian umpire Jean-Philippe Dercq in the final set for tanking.

"I double-faulted to lose a game in the third set and he gave me a warning saying I was trying to lose on purpose," the world number four, whose match against Argentine Martin Vassallo Arguello in August is being investigated by the ATP Tour after irregular betting patterns, told reporters.


"I was simply shocked to hear him say that. This is just outrageous. How does he know what I was trying to do? I was so upset with the whole thing I started crying," added Davydenko, who was talking to the tournament supervisor after the match.

"Well, I was just trying to find out if they were going to fine me or not," he said.

"The reality is that I started feeling tired. My legs were just dead by the third set. Maybe my problems are psychological, maybe it's in my head."

He was cruising to a comfortable win after taking the first set in 27 minutes, but the 102nd-ranked Cilic broke him late in the second to level the score before racing through the decider to record a memorable victory.

krystlel
10-26-2007, 05:32 AM
Yes, I think Davydenko was warned because of his reputation. I don't think warnings should be given out for things like this during the match.

Wojtek
10-26-2007, 06:26 AM
Last year he retired in this event now code violation :lol: He's cheater

Kolya
10-26-2007, 07:11 AM
Kolya is a good kid trying to act cool because Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are the popular kids in school.

scoobs
10-26-2007, 07:14 AM
Only adds to his marketability as I explained in another thread. Look at him now, he cries on court. The man covers every inch of the court and cries such is his desire in public. They will make a movie about him and it won't go straight to video.

Well I watched the match and I don't recall seeing him cry on court.

Then again it may have been a Zvonareva style leak under a towel rather than a full-on Chakvetadze style wailing meltdown.

Sakura 0101
10-26-2007, 07:42 AM
Kolya :sad:

Horatio Caine
10-26-2007, 07:51 AM
The scoreline and circumstances STRONGLY suggest a fixed match.

No, especially when you follow that comment up with:


Any odd betting patterns?



The FIRST thing that must be amiss is the odds...not mere "scoreline" or "circumstances." You're probably reading too much into it.

susuteko
10-26-2007, 08:29 AM
Well I don't know if he fixed or tanked the match, but I don't like Davydenko, and is always praying he would be out of the tour asap together with Canas, Gaudio (almost came true) and Puerta (came true).

Tutu
10-26-2007, 08:32 AM
Would he really be THAT stupid????? I mean, that is almost impossible to believe.....if he'd be so stupid to not only do it but make it so obvious, i really really hope he gets what he deserves.

He probably is that stupid. His murray comments weren't exactly genius.

The umpire gave him a code violation for "lack of best effort" ie pretty much accusing him of tanking.

He argued, the umpire cited a lot of double faults, Davydenko said sometimes he does that, like in the Moscow final, umpire said yeah but you served 4 in like 2 games and only 1 the whole second set, plus you weren't trying to return Cilic's serve very hard, Davydenko's all like I have problems, umpire said I asked you if you were okay a couple of games ago and you said it was nothing, why haven't you called the doctor, then Davydenko attempted to call the doctor then, claiming rather weakly he had pain in his legs. Umpire wouldn't have it, they argue some more, umpire's had enough and say resume play, Davydenko wants the doctor, umpire says not now, at the next change of ends ask them if you want him, play resumes. Davydenko does not call for the doctor at the change of ends.

:spit: what a joke.

I don't see how. Cilic gets blown away in the first, he starts to play to his game in the second, Davydenko injured/Cilic playing well in the third. What are you smoking? Give me some of that shit!



Yeah, Marat hahaha

@topic--Just like someone else said--you guys can bitch about fixing for the rest of your lives but he'd have to literally be a retard or offered a billion dollars to throw a match when there is so much attention already on him. You think that when they're having an investigation he's going to accept any bribes (assuming he did fix)? Probably someone from the ATP calling him up so of course he's going to keep it on the down low. Come on, think!!

Maybe he didnt fix it and maybe he just doesnt care about tennis anymore since he can't make millions the illegal way anymore :shrug:

Tutu
10-26-2007, 08:34 AM
is it true he cried after the match? :spit:

EDIT: He did. :haha:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25102007/58/atp-tour-davydenko-warned-trying.html

ATP Tour - Davydenko warned for "not trying"
Eurosport - Thu, 25 Oct 22:55:00 2007
Top seed Nikolay Davydenko received a warning from the umpire for not trying hard enough as he lost to Croatian qualifier Marin Cilic 1-6 7-5 6-1 in the second round of the St Petersburg Open on Thursday.

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The Russian played near flawless tennis in the first set but then started making numerous errors and committed 10 double-faults in the last two sets.

He was then warned by Belgian umpire Jean-Philippe Dercq in the final set for tanking.

"I double-faulted to lose a game in the third set and he gave me a warning saying I was trying to lose on purpose," the world number four, whose match against Argentine Martin Vassallo Arguello in August is being investigated by the ATP Tour after irregular betting patterns, told reporters.

"I was simply shocked to hear him say that. This is just outrageous. How does he know what I was trying to do? I was so upset with the whole thing I started crying," added Davydenko, who was talking to the tournament supervisor after the match.

"Well, I was just trying to find out if they were going to fine me or not," he said.

"The reality is that I started feeling tired. My legs were just dead by the third set. Maybe my problems are psychological, maybe it's in my head."

He was cruising to a comfortable win after taking the first set in 27 minutes, but the 102nd-ranked Cilic broke him late in the second to level the score before racing through the decider to record a memorable victory.

Cilic, 19, who also beat Davydenko in their only previous encounter at last month's China Open in Beijing, said he was a bit surprised by the manner of his victory.

"It was very tough for me to compete with him in the first set. He was hitting winners from almost anywhere, making no mistakes, but then he lost his concentration a little bit," said the Croat, who will take on fellow 19-year-old, Latvia's Ernests Gulbis, in Friday's quarter-finals.

"I don't think that he was not trying. Maybe he just lost his game plan and I took advantage of that."

Britain's second seed Andy Murray overcame Czech qualifier Lukas Dlouhy 6-2 6-4 in the last match on centre court to reach the last eight, where he will face Russian fifth seed Dmitry Tursunov.

The 20-year-old Scot, who earlier this month said that match-fixing has been a common practice on the ATP Tour, said he was surprised by Davydenko's performance.

"It doesn't happen too often when guys get warned for not trying, so yes, of course, it does surprise me," he said. "Davydenko is one of the best players in tight, close matches."


Andy had a chance to bitch back and he didn't :ras:

adee-gee
10-26-2007, 12:08 PM
He got fined :dance:

He should get banned as well....I mean, in my eyes not trying is worse than someone that goes mad about line calls (e.g. Malisse, he might be crazy but at least it shows he cared).

goldenlox
10-26-2007, 12:37 PM
What are they going to do about situations like Berdych retiring against Roddick at the USO?
The whole tour tanks.
How about Henin in that AO final? She can be at the awards ceremony after she can't finish the match?

None of the players are healthy, and a lot of matches end with retirement or crappy play from a sick/injured player.

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 12:41 PM
What are they going to do about situations like Berdych retiring against Roddick at the USO?
The whole tour tanks.
How about Henin in that AO final? She can be at the awards ceremony after she can't finish the match?

None of the players are healthy, and a lot of matches end with retirement or crappy play from a sick/injured player.

just a retard can think Berdych tanked againt Roddick in the USO

guille&tati4life
10-26-2007, 12:47 PM
C'mon, how often have we seen players stop trying in a match? It happens all the time. It has nothing to do with match-fixing though.

Mane
10-26-2007, 01:08 PM
well...considering we're talking about Crazy Dani, I can well understand why he didn't fine him. I wouldn't have either.

The rules are the same for all players.

Labamba
10-26-2007, 01:21 PM
ATP Tour - Davydenko fined for "lack of effort"

Eurosport - Fri, 26 Oct 14:00:00 2007

World number four Nikolay Davydenko has been fined $2,000 for not trying hard enough during his shock defeat by Croatian qualifier Marin Cilic at the St Petersburg Open.

"Nikolay Davydenko was fined $2,000 for lack of best effort in his second-round match against Marin Cilic," the governing body for men's tennis, ATP, said in a statement.

The top seed played near-flawless tennis in the first set against the 102nd-ranked Cilic but then started making numerous errors and committed 10 double faults in the last two sets.

He was warned by Belgian umpire Jean-Philippe Dercq in the final set for not trying hard enough.

"I double-faulted to lose a game in the third set and he gave me a warning saying I was trying to lose on purpose," Davydenko said after the match.

"I was simply shocked to hear him say that. This is just outrageous. How does he know what I was trying to do? I was so upset with the whole thing I started crying."

The Russian is being investigated by the ATP after his first-round match against Argentine Martin Vassallo Arguello in Poland in August attracted irregular betting patterns.

Davydenko is scheduled to take part in next week's Paris Masters, where he is defending champion.

leng jai
10-26-2007, 01:22 PM
I feel sorry for Davydenko. Hes trying so hard to be banned for max fixing but its just not happening.

goldenlox
10-26-2007, 01:56 PM
If they are fining him for this, are they fining Roddick for his last 3 sets at Wimbledon?
Players don't play as well if they're sick or injured. This is a stupid idea. They can fine everyone for not trying, just as easily as they fine Davydenko.

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 01:58 PM
If they are fining him for this, are they fining Roddick for his last 3 sets at Wimbledon?
Players don't play as well if they're sick or injured. This is a stupid idea. They can fine everyone for not trying, just as easily as they fine Davydenko.

just a tool can say Roddick tanked in wimbledon against Gasquet
the frenchie outplayed him...

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 01:59 PM
at least in the big tournaments i consider Denko a great fighter

goldenlox
10-26-2007, 02:02 PM
Anytime a player is close to winning and doesn't, you can question it.
Davydenko isn't the only player losing after having a lead. How can they tell he was intentionally double faulting?
The ATP can make themselves look very stupid with these kinds of fines.

jdenelle
10-26-2007, 02:03 PM
:eek:

goldenlox
10-26-2007, 02:03 PM
"I double-faulted to lose a game in the third set and he gave me a warning saying I was trying to lose on purpose," Davydenko said after the match.
"I was simply shocked to hear him say that. This is just outrageous. How does he know what I was trying to do? I was so upset with the whole thing I started crying."

Either suspend him or treat him like everyone else. There's a ton of shitty play on the tour. Fine all of them.

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 02:03 PM
Anytime a player is close to winning and doesn't, you can question it.
Davydenko isn't the only player losing after having a lead. How can they tell he was intentionally double faulting?
The ATP can make themselves look very stupid with these kinds of fines.

please stop posting bullshit...

mer
10-26-2007, 02:04 PM
This is ridiculous. Kolya is not the first player to get tired and lose the match after playing great first set, he's not the first to make DF. When players call a trainer for no serious reason just becuase they start losing and feel tired, they are being bashed here. When Kolya didn't call a trainer the umpire thought it's enough reason to give him a warning for not trying just because umpire decided he could play better? WTF? Half of the ATP could be fined following this logic.

m-j-d
10-26-2007, 02:07 PM
This whole witch hunt is quite pathetic!
Davy did afterall win the 1st set and lose the 2nd only 5-7

Are the rules going to be re-written that you will get a warning if a double fault causes you to lose a game - just think what this does to concentration! I can well understand why he then lost the next game 1-6, it would certainly not have been helped by the umpire's sugestion!

Now a precedent has been set, in the interest of fairness are all players going to be warned in this manner if DF while serving to save a game?

Did Andy Murray get fined $2000 when he lost to Baghdatis, losing 5 games in succession with lots of double faults?

I am not suggesting Andy pulled his match, just pointing out that things do fall apart sometimes in the middle of a match.

How can an umpire know what is going on in a players mind or what injury he might be carrying - it is totally unreasonable to interfere in this way during a match.

goldenlox
10-26-2007, 02:09 PM
This is ridiculous. Kolya is not the first player to get tired and lose the match after playing great first set, he's not the first to make DF. When players call a trainer for no serious reason just becuase they start losing and feel tired, they are being bashed here. When Kolya didn't call a trainer the umpire thought it's enough reason to give him a warning for not trying just because umpire decided he could play better? WTF? Half of the ATP could be fined following this logic.
I totally agree. Look how bad Novak played when he had set points in the USO final.
Players choke, go in slumps, get tired, injured. This happens in every tournament.

Winnipeg
10-26-2007, 02:11 PM
heres the video from the davydenko-cilic match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wLtfNlsoCk

guille&tati4life
10-26-2007, 02:15 PM
please stop posting bullshit...

That post isn't bullshit at all, it's true.

I watched a match in a futures event where Haider-Maurer won the first set but in the 2nd kept double faulting and lost it 6-1 before losing the match. He wasn't fined. Plenty of players aren't fined after throwing away leads, it would be ludicrous. Mathieu would be broke by now. How anyone can now for sure whether Davydenko was trying or not I do not know. Even if they did know he wasn't why haven't other players who have given up on matches been fined?

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 02:17 PM
heres the video from the davydenko-cilic match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wLtfNlsoCk

I have never seen Denko gets that angry

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 02:17 PM
That post isn't bullshit at all, it's true.

I watched a match in a futures event where Haider-Maurer won the first set but in the 2nd kept double faulting and lost it 6-1 before losing the match. He wasn't fined. Plenty of players aren't fined after throwing away leads, it would be ludicrous. Mathieu would be broke by now. How anyone can now for sure whether Davydenko was trying or not I do not know. Even if they did know he wasn't why haven't other players who have given up on matches been fined?

i mean bullshit He is saying Berdych tanked against Roddick in the uso ,DJkovic against Federer in the usopen and Roddick against Gasquet in wimbledon :retard:

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 02:19 PM
That post isn't bullshit at all, it's true.

I watched a match in a futures event where Haider-Maurer won the first set but in the 2nd kept double faulting and lost it 6-1 before losing the match. He wasn't fined. Plenty of players aren't fined after throwing away leads, it would be ludicrous. Mathieu would be broke by now. How anyone can now for sure whether Davydenko was trying or not I do not know. Even if they did know he wasn't why haven't other players who have given up on matches been fined?

i know many do that, and its unfair if denko gets fined for that and others players do not

mer
10-26-2007, 02:19 PM
I have never seen Denko gets that angry
He had all the right in the world to get angry.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-26-2007, 02:20 PM
It's not fair,the umpire sucks,he shouldn't only pick on him!There are lots of players play dfs and lose the game as well.

guille&tati4life
10-26-2007, 02:21 PM
i mean bullshit He is saying Berdych tanked against Roddick in the uso ,DJkovic against Federer in the usopen and Roddick against Gasquet in wimbledon :retard:

Yes, that is bullshit :lol:

goldenlox
10-26-2007, 02:21 PM
I didn't say Berdych tanked. I'm saying he walked off the court during a major. So did Henin.
Players can give up, even in a major.
Like Roddick and Novak, they can lose a set when they are in a winning position. Players choke. They can get tired. Their level of play during a match can go down for many reasons.

Psichogauchovna
10-26-2007, 02:21 PM
WTF, this is so unfair! :silly:

mer
10-26-2007, 02:26 PM
Players choke. They can get tired. Their level of play during a match can go down for many reasons.
Exactly. Now fine them all! Let's make a rule to fine every player for the lack of effort every time he loses a match against lower ranked opponent after winning first set.:rolleyes:

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 02:26 PM
Exactly. Now fine them all! Let's make a rule to fine every player for the lack of effort every time he loses a match against lower ranked opponent after winning first set.:rolleyes:

true

nikita13
10-26-2007, 02:27 PM
He should've retired,like the ump says, maybe avoided a fine :crazy:

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 02:28 PM
I didn't say Berdych tanked. I'm saying he walked off the court during a major. So did Henin.
Players can give up, even in a major.
Like Roddick and Novak, they can lose a set when they are in a winning position. Players choke. They can get tired. Their level of play during a match can go down for many reasons.

you took pretty wrong matches as examples

s.m.
10-26-2007, 02:28 PM
it´s seems that all of the problems in atp are breaking on davydenko´s back
all of a sudden he´s the most guilty one for match fixing, for lack of effort, every possible problem, it´s davydenko´s fault
that is just crazy
they have no idea how to solve those issues so they found a scapegoat

mer
10-26-2007, 02:29 PM
true
let's fine Roger, huh? What was the score in that Madrid match?

PS. And don't tell me I'm talking BS, I don't mean to say that Fed tanked the match.

xcrap
10-26-2007, 02:29 PM
hi sorry but if these been posted. anyone got footage of davy crying or anything? lol

if you could. pm or through reputation would be good. thanks

mer
10-26-2007, 02:31 PM
He should've retired,like the ump says, maybe avoided a fine :crazy:
yeah, good point. You retire, you are being bashed. You don't retire, you are get fined AND get bashed again.

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 02:37 PM
That's really not fair. There are many other matches which end with very similar scorelines and no one is given code violations for that. When he is being already suspected of fixing, would he go out and do it in such an obvious way??

How does the referee determine such a thing anyway? It is so subjective. NO FAIR

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 02:41 PM
Here are some other "tanks"

Federer tanks to Hewitt, DC 5-7 2-6 7-6(4) 7-5 6-1
Coria tanks to Gaudio, 1-6 3-6 6-4 6-1 8-6

zethand
10-26-2007, 02:43 PM
Please do not fight! Open your eyes!
ATP, ITF, the Nicea council etc, etc, etc.. are doing this because they want "set an example" like they actually care about the matters of the gambling thing. But you know what? This is a circus, nobody cares!!! I mean Davydenko crying? Come on!!! Lets say he has no ethics, so what? There are many people in this tour without ethic, and this is real life too! C´est la vie. Forget it! Happens all the time... It is like dopping cases. Nothing really happen´ to the ofenders...

adee-gee
10-26-2007, 02:51 PM
This debate has become silly. He wasn't given the violation because he blew a lead, he was given it because he clearly wasn't trying.

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 02:57 PM
This debate has become silly. He wasn't given the violation because he blew a lead, he was given it because he clearly wasn't trying.
Did you watch the match? I didn't.

I am wondering about "clearly wasn't trying" --- how is it determined to be due to tanking or an injury? This is subjective. If it is because of an injury that a player hobbles to even a defeat, he is a hero. Played through pain. If it is PERCEIVED as due to lack of trying, then he is "clearly" not trying. That's not okay

Beforehand
10-26-2007, 03:03 PM
I didn't even know such a code violation existed.

People have mentioned that Marat was given the same code before. Have any other players ever been 'told off' by the umpire for not trying?

Oh, and I'm with Trixtah and Fee on this. The man's an idiot if this is all done on purpose. Now is definitely not the time, and as it is I bet the ATP ask him some questions.

Didn't Gaudio get one at the TMC once? Or did he just not try, and the commentators gave him a raking?

player2k0
10-26-2007, 03:05 PM
Funny to see 'boring old Davydenko' getting everyone riled up. :lol:

:yeah:

mer
10-26-2007, 03:06 PM
This debate has become silly. He wasn't given the violation because he blew a lead, he was given it because he clearly wasn't trying.
That was only subjective umpire's opinion based on what? How could he tell if Kolya couldn't play better or he wasn't trying? Who's he? A God? A psychic?

Beforehand
10-26-2007, 03:10 PM
Funny that Gaudio has never got one of these, but as usual the majority of people can't tell the difference between a tank and a fix.

Davydenko has never given a fuck about playing well in St. Petersburg, so this isn't unusual.

Well, sometimes I should just read through threads. Withdrawn, my claim.

Gulliver
10-26-2007, 03:16 PM
Estoril Final 2007 - Djokovic 7/6, 0/6, 6/1.
That 2nd set was blatant tanking, and he has before and since "lost" a set to give himself a breather.
This warning to Davydenko actually during the match has set a precedent, and I hope the Players' Council pursue it. The fining of him smacks of a witch hunt before any decision on the alleged match fixing has even been published. I feel sorry for the guy.

mer
10-26-2007, 03:21 PM
This warning to Davydenko actually during the match has set a precedent, and I hope the Players' Council pursue it. The fining of him smacks of a witch hunt before any decision on the alleged match fixing has even been published. I feel sorry for the guy.
yes, witch hunt is the term that describes precisely the situaltion.

Beforehand
10-26-2007, 03:23 PM
Estoril Final 2007 - Djokovic 7/6, 0/6, 6/1.
That 2nd set was blatant tanking, and he has before and since "lost" a set to give himself a breather.

Nadal's done that too.

xcrap
10-26-2007, 03:35 PM
what about when federer tanked against murray.

adee-gee
10-26-2007, 03:43 PM
Did you watch the match? I didn't.

I am wondering about "clearly wasn't trying" --- how is it determined to be due to tanking or an injury? This is subjective. If it is because of an injury that a player hobbles to even a defeat, he is a hero. Played through pain. If it is PERCEIVED as due to lack of trying, then he is "clearly" not trying. That's not okay
No but even in the video posted here you could see it could be described as a half-assed effort at best.

If he was injured, why didn't he get treatment? I trust the umpire's decision, he must've known it would be controversial so he must've been pretty confident to call it. The fact that he's since been fined confirms this view.

mer
10-26-2007, 03:54 PM
No but even in the video posted here you could see it could be described as a half-assed effort at best.
All you can see on the video is one double fault. And it's enough for you to describe it as half-assed effort ? Your bias is too apparent.

If he was injured, why didn't he get treatment?
If he had asked for treatment I bet you would have been be the first to bash him for cheating. Playes can get tired sometimes, do you know about it? They can lose concentration etc. It not an injury and not a reason for a treatment. They can't call a trainer every thime their level drops just to avoide the fine.

I trust the umpire's decision, he must've known it would be controversial so he must've been pretty confident to call it. The fact that he's since been fined confirms this view.
Pricless! Umpires never make mistakes, sure. And who's this guy after all? What did he do to deserve credibility that you trust so blindly his judgement?

Kolya
10-26-2007, 04:08 PM
His effort in arguing with the ref must count for something!!!

I feel its stupid that the ref put the code violation.

I remember Kafelnikov and Ivanisevic got no pay for lack of effort years ago.

HNCS
10-26-2007, 04:22 PM
his bad reputation must have gotten the better of him. poor him. hope he gets himself out of this mess. and i agree with most of you, it's suicide for him to actually have fixed the match. he's not THAT stupid.

and what the hell is with this code violation. why would such a violation even exist..=_+ it's like beyond even Disney's imagination...

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 04:25 PM
No but even in the video posted here you could see it could be described as a half-assed effort at best.

That was my point --- I don't see it as a half-assed effort. I see it as the inability to play due to injury. Which is my point- -- it is subjective what you/I/other/umpire sees it as.


If he was injured, why didn't he get treatment? I trust the umpire's decision, he must've known it would be controversial so he must've been pretty confident to call it. The fact that he's since been fined confirms this view.

The umpire AlWAYS calls it, in every match. That confirms nothing. I will have to review the Dubai thread where Youzhny def. Nadal in a controversial linecall by the umpire and see if you actually agree that the umpire's decision was the correct one. ;) The fact that the match did end on that note means that you would have agreed that he was correct, isn't it?

The umpire has the prerogative to make calls of all kinds it in EVERY match. This does not make it any less subjective.

Kolya
10-26-2007, 04:40 PM
Maybe playing 30+ tournaments a year is getting to Kolya physically and mentally.

The downfall?

Winston's Human
10-26-2007, 04:42 PM
If they are fining him for this, are they fining Roddick for his last 3 sets at Wimbledon?
Players don't play as well if they're sick or injured. This is a stupid idea. They can fine everyone for not trying, just as easily as they fine Davydenko.

Gasquet won those last three sets 7-6,7-6,8-6. That is hardly the scoreline of a tanked match.

cardio
10-26-2007, 04:46 PM
If there is code violation "lack of best effort", there should be code violation " trying too hard" as well ;). I´m sick and tired watching players winning matches they should`nt and could`nt possibly win, but they tried so hard they won them anyway. "Effort" must be medium, not too weak, not too hard!

ReturnWinner
10-26-2007, 04:48 PM
If there is code violation "lack of best effort", there should be code violation " trying too hard" as well ;). I´m sick and tired watching players winning matches they should`nt and could`nt possibly win, but they tried so hard they won them anyway. "Effort" must be medium, not too weak, not too hard!

wow I like your chances in the arseclown contest

tangerine_dream
10-26-2007, 04:58 PM
"I double-faulted to lose a game in the third set and he gave me a warning saying I was trying to lose on purpose," Davydenko said after the match.
"I was simply shocked to hear him say that. This is just outrageous. How does he know what I was trying to do? I was so upset with the whole thing I started crying."
Crocodile tears? i didn't see him crying on the video. :tears:

I'm surprised the crowd waited so patiently for Davydenko's argument with the umpire to end. Most crowds whistle and boo throughout the whole encounter.

Lee
10-26-2007, 05:03 PM
If he was injured, why didn't he get treatment?

Because Djokovic told him that if he got treatment, came back and won the match, he would be call a cheater. :p

cardio
10-26-2007, 05:12 PM
wow I like your chances in the arseclown contest
Just pointing how silly this code violation is. Umpires/referees estimating how strong is players effort?! Of cource there is precedents in sports, unsuccesful though. In 1924, IOC wanted to disqualify Paavo Nurmi, because he deliberately slowed down his pace winning 1500 m race, he had chance to break his own world record, but considering he was starting 5000 m final just 55 minutes later he was saving strenght and slowed down. There was similar rule which allowed disgualify runner if he was not showing "his best effort". Common sense won in 1924 and Nurmi was not disqualified, he was allowed to keep his gold medals.

onewoman74
10-26-2007, 05:26 PM
Talk about a shit year for Davy...


http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=ap-davydenkofined&prov=ap&type=lgns



Russian Nikolay Davydenko fined $2,000 by ATP for lack of effort at St. Petersburg Open
October 26, 2007

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) -- Nikolay Davydenko, already at the center of a betting investigation, was fined $2,000 for lack of effort a loss at the St. Petersburg Open.

The ATP said Friday the fourth-ranked Russian was fined for lack of "best effort" in his 1-6, 7-5, 6-1 loss Thursday to Marian Cilic.

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The top-seeded Davydenko won the first set in 27 minutes, but drew a rebuke from chair umpire Jean-Philippe Dercq in the third set. Davydenko double-faulted four times in the second set and six times in the third.

"When I made a double-fault, he gave me a notice for a wrong behavior on the court as if I was throwing the match," Davydenko said Thursday after the match. "I was surprised. I've never heard anything like this before. No matter how I'd played, no matter what had happen to me, I was never given such a notice."

Davydenko said during the exchange, Dercq asked him about his condition. Davydenko first said there was nothing wrong, but later said the problem was in his legs.

"He could not solve my problem anyway, that why I first told him I was OK, but I didn't play the way I did in the first set. That's why he gave me a notice," Davydenko said. "Later I told him that my legs have collapsed. I could not move."

The ATP is investigating a match involving Davydenko in August in which online gambling site Betfair voided bets because of irregular betting patterns.

In that match in Poland, Davydenko won the first set 6-1, then withdrew against 87th-ranked Martin Vassallo Arguello in the third set because of a foot injury.

Davydenko qualified for the season-ending Masters Cup in Shanghai next month by winning the Kremlin Cup two weeks ago.

He is scheduled to play next week in the Paris Masters, where he is the defending champion.

Voo de Mar
10-26-2007, 05:37 PM
:yeah:

TankingTheSet
10-26-2007, 05:39 PM
This is clearly being discussed at length in another thread. Should not have been posted.

goldenlox
10-26-2007, 05:40 PM
I guess the ATP feels any press is good press. They can fine someone every week, if they want.

onewoman74
10-26-2007, 05:40 PM
This is clearly being discussed at length in another thread. Should not have been posted.

If the mods want to remove then so be it...:rolleyes:

sodman12
10-26-2007, 05:58 PM
This is clearly being discussed at length in another thread. Should not have been posted.

chill out.

CyBorg
10-26-2007, 06:00 PM
Witch hunt.

dylan24
10-26-2007, 06:04 PM
2k?
thats it?
should have been 2 million

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 06:35 PM
2k?
thats it?
should have been 2 million
What did you lose on him today Dylan?

Tutu
10-26-2007, 08:23 PM
I feel sorry for Davydenko. Hes trying so hard to be banned for max fixing but its just not happening.

:lol: its true.:awww:

This is clearly being discussed at length in another thread. Should not have been posted.

your name is very fitting to this thread. :tape::o

dylan24
10-26-2007, 09:04 PM
What did you lose on him today Dylan?

yesterday, not today.
i foolishly bet on him to win the tournament.
thankfully he wasn't in my parlay

Jlee
10-26-2007, 09:51 PM
In one sense, I do feel bad for Davydenko. Let's say he wasn't involved at all in any match fixing - now he's being scrutinized about a million times more than he would be otherwise. Plenty of players tank matches, and I doubt he would be getting this fine if it wasn't for the betting controversey. I didn't see the match, but I've seen some pretty bad tanks before that didn't result in fines.

Even if he was guilty of match fixing before, surely he's not moronic enough to try it again when everyone is watching.

Duncan
10-26-2007, 09:56 PM
Even if he was guilty of match fixing before, surely he's not moronic enough to try it again when everyone is watching.



Maybe he is. Maybe he thought that nobody would think he would do it again.... :p

R.Federer
10-26-2007, 10:20 PM
Even if he was guilty of match fixing before, surely he's not moronic enough to try it again when everyone is watching.


Maybe he is. Maybe he thought that nobody would think he would do it again.... :p

Maybe he thought no one is watching his matches :shrug:

16681
10-26-2007, 10:42 PM
How does anyone determine if a player is giving their best effort? Ranked players are defeated by unranked players, players are sick during their match and therefore don't feel well enough to give their best effort, so how does anyone know that someone is deliberately not giving their best effort?

bjurra
10-27-2007, 12:49 AM
How does anyone determine if a player is giving their best effort? Ranked players are defeated by unranked players, players are sick during their match and therefore don't feel well enough to give their best effort, so how does anyone know that someone is deliberately not giving their best effort?

In many cases, it is actually very easy to see that someone doesn't give his best effort. I must say that it is strange that not more players are given code violations for not trying. It was more or less a neglected rule until the ATP found a way to get back on Davy.

Kolya
10-27-2007, 02:12 AM
How about those players returning serve and give up because they can't win it or are too tired and want to go to the next game to serve?

They should get fined for "Lack of best effort".

R.Federer
10-27-2007, 05:28 AM
In many cases, it is actually very easy to see that someone doesn't give his best effort. I must say that it is strange that not more players are given code violations for not trying. It was more or less a neglected rule until the ATP found a way to get back on Davy.
Safin was accused of the same thing not too many years ago. Seems to be a conspiracy against the Ruskies :mad:

Bobby
10-27-2007, 07:09 AM
The ATP is taking a very dangerous road here. Punishing players for lack of effort leads to no good. It's impossible to tell whether a player is trying as hard as possible or not. It's a well known fact that especially in Grand Slams players sometimes give up a set if they are down 1-5 or something. They are already focusing on the next set. It's not tanking, it's just smart play.

We all know that there are famous exmaples of matches where a player has tanked. Obviously it shouldn't happen, but it does. The ATP must apply the same rules to all the players from now. I don't think they have the balls to punish big names like Federer or Nadal even if it should be appropriate. Davydenko was an easy target here because of his reputation as a fixer. The ATp should focus on how the eliminate the fixing, not to concentrate on something this stupid.

I feel sorry for Davydenko. It doesn't matter what he says about all this, people still label him as a fixer and a tanker. He probably is a fixer, but the tanker label is purely provided by the ATP.

Iheartandy&roger
10-27-2007, 07:22 AM
The fine that Davydenko got is absolutely ridiculous. There is no proof what so ever that he was "throwing" the match on purpose....

MisterQ
10-27-2007, 07:39 AM
Just noticed that this story is currently featured (prominently, with photo) on the main yahoo page.

krystlel
10-27-2007, 07:43 AM
Wow, Davydenko on the front page of Yahoo. :eek: Isn't it a bit late to be putting it there though, it's old news now.

Marek.
10-27-2007, 07:44 AM
Just noticed that this story is currently featured (prominently, with photo) on the main yahoo page.

I posted that at the same time in the other thread. :lol:

Il Primo Uomo
10-27-2007, 10:21 AM
The tour really is treating him like a HIVed Dog. He's not the first to tank a match, he won't be the last. Disgusting shit. I would sue the ATP tour lame ass for this very subjective injonction. :retard:

adee-gee
10-27-2007, 10:26 AM
Pricless! Umpires never make mistakes, sure. And who's this guy after all? What did he do to deserve credibility that you trust so blindly his judgement?
Making a call on a ball going at over 100mph and being mm from a line is a lot harder than deciding whether someone is trying. This has almost never been done in the history of tennis, apparently Safin once but other than that it's pretty unprecedented. If he was judged to have been wrong, his career was pretty much in tatters, so it took a lot of balls to make the call and he must've been 100% sure. The ATP have now gone and fined him, so there must've been other people at the match who agreed with him.

I trust the integrity of a tennis official far more than someone who is being strongly linked with fixing matches. Davydenko is close to becoming indefensible in my eyes.

mer
10-27-2007, 11:04 AM
he must've been 100% sure.
Nobody can be 100% sure except for a player.

I trust the integrity of a tennis official far more than someone who is being strongly linked with fixing matches. Davydenko is close to becoming indefensible in my eyes.
Is investigation over? Was he found guilty? So far there have been no real evidence that he was ivolved.

Kolya
10-27-2007, 12:22 PM
Nothing has been proven against Davydenko. As for now he has done nothing wrong besides "not giving his best effort".

R.Federer
10-27-2007, 04:58 PM
I trust the integrity of a tennis official far more than someone who is being strongly linked with fixing matches. Davydenko is close to becoming indefensible in my eyes.
I understand what your position is, but that is like saying that Canas/Rusedski/others are undeniably guilty of doping. Since you take the integrity of tennis officials, you would agree with that as well.

The evidence on past matches (and not including yesterday) is certainly not putting Davydenko in good light, but I can dig up a whole bunch of matches which have the look of a "fixed score" some involving top players. This is all just innuendo until something is proven-- telephone records, vast sums of unaccountable monies floating into his banks, etc.

goldenlox
10-27-2007, 06:56 PM
If they have evidence he fixed a match or was involved somehow, they'll ban him.
But this fine, and 2k is nothing, becomes a huge news story, and it seems the ATP wants to make Davydenko a celebrity.

Gulliver
10-27-2007, 11:51 PM
Apologies for the long post, but the more I look at this, the more it appears that Davydenko has been unfairly treated. According to the ATP Rule Book:

h) Best efforts
i) A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a Tournament. Violation of this Section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000 for each violation.
ii) For purposes of this rule, the Supervisor and/or the Chair Umpire shall have the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty Schedule.
Point Penalty schedule
a) The Point Penalty Schedule to be used for Code Violations is as follows:
FIRST OFFENSE WARNING (he was warned)
SECOND OFFENSE POINT PENALTY (never happened)
THIRD AND EACH SUBSEQUENT OFFENSE GAME PENALTY (never happened)
However, after the third Code Violation, the Supervisor shall determine whether each subsequent offense shall constitute a default.
b) In ATP and Challenger Series Tournaments and events, Code Violations shall be levied by the Chair Umpire for on-court offenses. In the event that the Chair Umpire fails to levy a Code Violation, then the Supervisor may order him to do so.

L. Determination of Violation and Penalty
1) The Supervisor shall make a reasonable investigation to determine the facts regarding all Player On-Site Offenses. Upon determining that a violation has occurred, the Supervisor shall specify the fine and/or other punishment in written notice to the player. (Davydenko gets fined $2000)

I wonder if he is going to make use of the following:

N.Procedures for Appeal
1) Except for appeals of violations of the Stars Program, any player in violation of a Player On- Site Offense may, after paying all fines, appeal to the Administrator of Rules and Competition
(Gayle Bradshaw) for review of a determination of guilt and the penalty assessed.
2) Any player found to have committed a Player On-Site Offense may appeal such decision in writing to the Administrator of Rules and Competition. Such appeal shall be lodged within ten (10) days of the On-Site Offense. The Administrator of Rules and Competition shall review the Appeal within twenty-one (21) days and, if necessary,
designate a date, time and place for a hearing. At the hearing, the Player shall present to the Administrator of Rules and Competition his respective positions on the facts.
The Administrator of Rules and Competition may affirm, reverse or modify the penalty initially imposed by the Supervisor.

On a different note, I see that 2 members of the ATP Board are based in Sydney and actively involved in that area where Davydenko made his unfortunate remarks about the tournament :rolleyes:

ReturnWinner
10-27-2007, 11:55 PM
you can notice when a player tanks,but you need to know that player

well, knowing how well he can play , for example Gaudio, its easy to

note he has tanked many times, i remember to see NALBANDian against

Verdasco and he made a clear tank in the third set :o


but of course sometimes a player can play like crap and that does not means its a tank, or even a player can have an injury but when a player have an injury its not that difficult notice that

stacy25
10-28-2007, 12:19 AM
This is unfair to him I think. They are trying to make him a scapegoat and because he isn't very popular with the fans anyway they know there will be no backlash in that department. They wouldn't call a very popular player up on tanking.

R.Federer
10-28-2007, 12:24 AM
This is unfair to him I think. They are trying to make him a scapegoat and because he isn't very popular with the fans anyway they know there will be no backlash in that department. They wouldn't call a very popular player up on tanking.
Safin was :shrug:

At a slam no less.

stacy25
10-28-2007, 12:35 AM
Safin was :shrug:

At a slam no less.

When was that? I don't know I just feel that with this Davydenko issue it is getting A LOT of attention, they even talk about it here where I am on talk back radio etc, where they never talk about tennis.

R.Federer
10-28-2007, 12:40 AM
It was at the Australian, 2000 or 2001

stacy25
10-28-2007, 12:49 AM
It was at the Australian, 2000 or 2001

Thanks :)

Action Jackson
10-28-2007, 04:32 AM
I saw Safin against Stafford at the AO, that was hilarious. He just didn't give a fuck and catching a serve doesn't help your cause.

leng jai
10-28-2007, 04:54 AM
Its so funny watching Safin when he doesn't give a fuck. Which has been pretty much every match this year.

Deboogle!.
10-28-2007, 05:07 AM
Apologies for the long post, but the more I look at this, the more it appears that Davydenko has been unfairly treated. According to the ATP Rule Book:
Sorry, but how does this from the Rule book show he was unfairly treated? He was warned, that is up to the discretion of the ump according to the rule book and he was subsequently fined for it (just like he would've been fined if it was racquet or ball abuse or unsportsmanlike conduct - those carry automatic fines and warnings just the same). Aside from the subjective nature of what classifies as "Best efforts" and the fact that we can all disagree as to whether Davydenko was giving such effort, how was he treated unfairly under the rule book? Sounds like standard procedures were followed to me, am I missing something?

Action Jackson
10-28-2007, 05:11 AM
you can notice when a player tanks,but you need to know that player

well, knowing how well he can play , for example Gaudio, its easy to

note he has tanked many times, i remember to see NALBANDian against

Verdasco and he made a clear tank in the third set :o


but of course sometimes a player can play like crap and that does not means its a tank, or even a player can have an injury but when a player have an injury its not that difficult notice that

This is very true. I mean Gaudio it's so obvious, especially when he is serve/volleying on 2nd serves at 0-4 or 0-5 down that is a good indication.

Chucho is another one who looks like he isn't trying, but that is like when he plays well and when he is crap. Yes, players have crap days and it goes back to the difference between a shitty day and a tank.

I saw Hrbaty once miss everything and he was trying to win, but it was awful, this doesn't mean he tanked.

leng jai
10-28-2007, 05:12 AM
Until the fine is larger than the amount hes made by fixing it up then hes still coming out of this on top.

trixtah
10-28-2007, 08:16 AM
Until the fine is larger than the amount hes made by fixing it up then hes still coming out of this on top.

sigh...hopeless, this one

leng jai
10-28-2007, 08:20 AM
sigh...hopeless, this one

DING DING DING DING

Gulliver
10-28-2007, 11:53 AM
Sorry, but how does this from the Rule book show he was unfairly treated? He was warned, that is up to the discretion of the ump according to the rule book and he was subsequently fined for it (just like he would've been fined if it was racquet or ball abuse or unsportsmanlike conduct - those carry automatic fines and warnings just the same). Aside from the subjective nature of what classifies as "Best efforts" and the fact that we can all disagree as to whether Davydenko was giving such effort, how was he treated unfairly under the rule book? Sounds like standard procedures were followed to me, am I missing something?


May be I have misunderstood. :confused: I take a "warning" to be just that, as something that precedes a definitive code violation for which a player is fined. It appears then that the interpretation is a) warning = fine, b) second offence = point penalty and another fine, c) third offence = game penalty and another fine, or even default. So does that mean that a warning for taking excess time between points = a fine with follow up by b) and c) if necessary?

Certainly, I agree that of all the reasons for code violations the "best efforts" one is subjective and, as many think, so rarely, if ever used, that this singling out of Davydenko smacks of victimisation.

Bilbo
10-28-2007, 11:56 AM
looks like davydenko still has some fans left

Deboogle!.
10-28-2007, 05:09 PM
May be I have misunderstood. :confused: I take a "warning" to be just that, as something that precedes a definitive code violation for which a player is fined. It appears then that the interpretation is a) warning = fine, b) second offence = point penalty and another fine, c) third offence = game penalty and another fine, or even default. So does that mean that a warning for taking excess time between points = a fine with follow up by b) and c) if necessary?Yes, I believe this is correct. When someone smacks a ball out of the stadium, I believe the umps usually say "warning: ball abuse violation" or something like that. Perhaps someone who is more familiar with the rulebook can correct us, but that's always been my understanding. If it was merely an informal warning, I think the ump would just say casually something over the changeover or something. I believe under the ATP rules, the word "warning" is a term of art, not how we use it normally.

scoobs
11-13-2007, 01:52 PM
BBC reports that Davydenko's appeal on the fine was successful and has been rescinded.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7092156.stm

trixtah
11-13-2007, 02:07 PM
Just read that also, scoobs. And what is with this asshole?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre13nov13,1,4265562.column?coll=la-utilities-sports

"tennis wrongly goes after the little guy"

No. 124-ranked Alessio Di Mauro of Italy for the moment becomes the poster boy for tennis reform with suspension over betting, but the Nikolay Davydenko case remains open.

alfonsojose
11-13-2007, 03:29 PM
Kolya rules :tape:

valexie03
11-13-2007, 04:51 PM
Just read that also, scoobs. And what is with this asshole?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre13nov13,1,4265562.column?coll=la-utilities-sports

"tennis wrongly goes after the little guy"

Excellent article. A must-read. The problem with the credentials is present in every tournament.

scarecrows
11-13-2007, 04:58 PM
and suddenly at age 30 di mauro become more famous than he's ever been