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didadida
10-24-2007, 08:32 PM
There Are A Few Days And This Tournament Is Going To Start

Lets Hope That Roger Can Collect Some Points In Paris

C'mon Roger We Dont Wanna See Another Plate

Lets Hope For The 15th Masters Shield

Allez Rogiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

SUKTUEN
10-25-2007, 03:09 PM
Is Roger will go?

didadida
10-25-2007, 03:51 PM
he said that after his lost in madrid

hope he can play there

lunahielo
10-26-2007, 12:06 AM
Yes, Roger....if you go, please no more dishes! :)

Win one of those neat trophies (I think that's the one that looks like a tree, right?)
luna

stebs
10-26-2007, 12:14 AM
I hope he can win Paris this year. In fact, I hope he plays at all.

Sunset of Age
10-26-2007, 01:07 AM
^^ Me too, for perhaps different reasons than the majority in this particular part of MTF... :p

SUKTUEN
10-26-2007, 02:06 AM
but I worry he will be too tired to Shanghai~~

didadida
10-26-2007, 02:40 PM
yeh me too
but we will see after basel
lets hope he will be ok

SUKTUEN
10-26-2007, 05:31 PM
just hope Roger win Basel first!!

Go Roger!!!

nobama
10-26-2007, 07:41 PM
Paris draw is out. What a joke. :o Djokovic, Murray, Berdych, Karlovic, Nalbandian, Ferrer all in Roger's half of the draw. :o Possibly 1st match against Karlovic, and 2nd Nalbandian. :o

1) R. Federer v. bye
F. Verdasco v. I. Karlovic
N. Almagro v. D. Nalbandian
bye v. 14) C. Moya

12) T. Berdych v. bye
P-H. Mathieu v. M. Ancic
D. Tursunov v. Fish
bye v. 5) D. Ferrer

3) N. Djokovic v. bye
F. Santoro v. A. Montanes
J. Nieminen v. J. Monaco
bye v. 15) A. Murray

10) R. Gasquet v. bye
WC) J-W. Tsonga v. WC) S. Grosjean
Q) v. WC) N. Mahut
bye v. 6) J. Blake

7) F. Gonzalez v. bye
P. Starace v. G. Simon
Q) v. Q)
bye v. 11) G. Canas

13) I. Ljubicic v. bye
J.C. Ferrero v. M. Baghdatis
Q) v. F. Lopez
bye v. 4) N. Davydenko

8 ) T. Robredo v. bye
A. Clement v. M. Youzhny
Q) v. Q)
bye v. 9) T. Haas

16) J.I. Chela v. bye
S. Wawrinka v. N. Kiefer
J. Melzer v. F. Volandri
bye v. 2) R. Nadal

ExpectedWinner
10-26-2007, 07:50 PM
Change the title of this thread- The Mission (Im)Possible- trying to win in Paris.

nobama
10-26-2007, 07:57 PM
Uncle Toni was busy this past week. That is one of the most lopsided draws ever. :haha:

My guess is if Roger wins Basel and thus locks #1 he'll withdraw from Paris.

didadida
10-26-2007, 10:46 PM
good idea roger c'mon win basel and withdraw from paris
i think i can change the title to withdrawing from paris is more possible than to win the title

didadida
10-26-2007, 10:48 PM
Uncle Toni was busy this past week. That is one of the most lopsided draws ever. :haha:

My guess is if Roger wins Basel and thus locks #1 he'll withdraw from Paris.

i hate that nadal always has the easiest draw ever,this is unfair

nobama
10-26-2007, 10:57 PM
i hate that nadal always has the easiest draw ever,this is unfairHe doesn't always have the easiest, but it's rare for him to get a draw from hell and Roger to get an easy draw. Usually it's Nadal gets a really easy draw or the draw is more balanced. This draw is a joke. :o

Sunset of Age
10-26-2007, 11:35 PM
Wel, that draw isn't what I call 'balanced', no - but we're not to blame the PLAYERS on the draw they get, do we?

Just wait and see whether Raf will indeed be able to get through - it's still HARDCOURT after all. There are many players in his draw that can seriously trouble him - Wrawrinka, Lopez and Davydenko come to mind.

Draws are always 'unfair' - that's what you have with draws in general. :angel:

World Beater
10-26-2007, 11:38 PM
He doesn't always have the easiest, but it's rare for him to get a draw from hell and Roger to get an easy draw. Usually it's Nadal gets a really easy draw or the draw is more balanced. This draw is a joke. :o

in all seriousness, nadal gets really "nice" draws.

why do you think it took 3 years for nadal to play safin and nalbandian? he's never played karlovic. has he played tursunov?

but he plays his personal mug baghdatis many times during the year.

nadal is an exceptional player but at the same time many of his success off-clay have come when the draws have been complete gimmes.

nadal could play all dirtballers en route to the final. ridiculous. volandri, canas, chela, boredo all in his side?

i dont mind nadal getting to the wimbledon final because he really is a good player on grass, but indoors he is really just above average.

Sunset of Age
10-26-2007, 11:49 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - just wait and see if Raf is indeed capable of beating all those so-called 'mugs' in his half of the draw. :angel:

Not just that - isn't whining about a draw a bit 'tardish'?
It's like that with draws - you win some, you lose some. And how often did it not happen that everyone said Raf had a relatively easy draw (USO 2007 comes to mind), where every 'serious' contender seemed to get beaten before meeting Raf, ending up with Rafa being defeated by someone that no-one ever expected that particular player to be capable of?

If Roger shows up in Paris - note the word IF - I'm sure he'll have to play his best to overcome his opponents. But isn't THAT what we all want a genuine champion to be able to do? (same goes for Raf in this respect - IF he manages to win Paris, I can see all those "Cupcake Draw"-comments coming up real fast... :rolleyes:)


i dont mind nadal getting to the wimbledon final because he really is a good player on grass, but indoors he is really just above average.

True. At least you are able to indeed admit he's a (very) good competetor on grass. That makes me happy, to say the least. :p :D

Marek.
10-27-2007, 01:57 AM
I think Roger will play Paris this year. Whether or not he "shows up" is a different matter though.

NYCtennisfan
10-27-2007, 02:08 AM
:lol: That's what a draw would look like if you tried to place all the contenders in the top half.

The thing about Fed withdrawing is that he could theoretically wind up leading by less than 450 points going into the AO next year if he doesn't win the TMC and Nadal does. This would mean that Nadal could get to #1 by reaching the finals. Nadal is probably going to make the finals in Bercy and cut his lead to 180 race points and the who knows what happens at the TMC. Winning Paris might be as hard as winning the TMC for Federer.

NYCtennisfan
10-27-2007, 02:13 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - just wait and see if Raf is indeed capable of beating all those so-called 'mugs' in his half of the draw. :angel:

Not just that - isn't whining about a draw a bit 'tardish'?
It's like that with draws - you win some, you lose some. And how often did it not happen that everyone said Raf had a relatively easy draw (USO 2007 comes to mind), where every 'serious' contender seemed to get beaten before meeting Raf, ending up with Rafa being defeated by someone that no-one ever expected that particular player to be capable of?

If Roger shows up in Paris - note the word IF - I'm sure he'll have to play his best to overcome his opponents. But isn't THAT what we all want a genuine champion to be able to do? (same goes for Raf in this respect - IF he manages to win Paris, I can see all those "Cupcake Draw"-comments coming up real fast... :rolleyes:)



True. At least you are able to indeed admit he's a (very) good competetor on grass. That makes me happy, to say the least. :p :D

Whether he wins or loses is completely irrelevant--the draw is one of the most lopsided I have ever seen. It would be pretty sad if Nadal couldn't make it to the finals with that draw.

nobama
10-27-2007, 02:19 AM
:lol: That's what a draw would look like if you tried to place all the contenders in the top half.

The thing about Fed withdrawing is that he could theoretically wind up leading by less than 450 points going into the AO next year if he doesn't win the TMC and Nadal does. This would mean that Nadal could get to #1 by reaching the finals. Nadal is probably going to make the finals in Bercy and cut his lead to 180 race points and the who knows what happens at the TMC. Winning Paris might be as hard as winning the TMC for Federer.
At this point all I care about is Roger ending the year at #1. He's already got the record for consecutive weeks at #1 so now it's just about ending the year at #1. I fully expect at some point early in 2008 he will lose it. But hopefully can maybe get it back during IW and Miami when Nadal and Djokovic have a lot of points to defend.

As far as Nadal in Paris, yeah he should make the finals with that piss easy draw. But this isn't his best surface so if anyone has a shot it would be indoors. Is Paris carpet or hard?

nobama
10-27-2007, 02:28 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - just wait and see if Raf is indeed capable of beating all those so-called 'mugs' in his half of the draw. :angel:

Not just that - isn't whining about a draw a bit 'tardish'?
It's like that with draws - you win some, you lose some. And how often did it not happen that everyone said Raf had a relatively easy draw (USO 2007 comes to mind), where every 'serious' contender seemed to get beaten before meeting Raf, ending up with Rafa being defeated by someone that no-one ever expected that particular player to be capable of?This I will agree with you on. Very few players are expected to beat Nadal or cause him trouble but yet when someone not expected does then there's all the reasons why people aren't surprised player xyz gave Nadal trouble - even though prior to the match no one was expecting it.

This draw though is a complete joke. Reminds me of the US Open women's draw -- all the best players were in the top half and Shriekapova had nobody in her half. Only good thing would be a similar outcome in Paris. :devil:

World Beater
10-27-2007, 02:35 AM
this draw indoors is like a draw on clay composed of fish, blake, tursunov, soderling, mirnyi etc.

why has paris changed from carpet to HC???

yanchr
10-27-2007, 06:28 AM
oh I want Roger to win Paris with this draw.

World Beater
10-27-2007, 07:30 AM
oh I want Roger to win Paris with this draw.

federer plays really well when he has tough draws.

i am still in awe of his 2006 run. That was sick.

elessar
10-27-2007, 09:16 AM
this draw indoors is like a draw on clay composed of fish, blake, tursunov, soderling, mirnyi etc.

why has paris changed from carpet to HC???

They wanted to make the surface more similar to the MC so that player wouldn't have to get used to a new surface a week before Shanghai... On the other hand that means that if Roger does play there it will be perfect for him

bokehlicious
10-27-2007, 12:24 PM
Whether he wins or loses is completely irrelevant--the draw is one of the most lopsided I have ever seen. It would be pretty sad if Nadal couldn't make it to the finals with that draw.

If TFA doesn't make it to the finals it would prove that he's pretty below average on hard courts... :o

stebs
10-27-2007, 12:37 PM
If TFA doesn't make it to the finals it would prove that he's pretty below average on hard courts... :o

What's average?

Nadal is doubtlessly above average on hardcourts unless average means a GS winner. I mean he has several GS QF's which are good acheivements and HC AMS events as well as a final here and there on the stuff.

No, he is not a challenger to being the best HC player in the world but he is still one of the best 8 hardcourt players in the world I would say and you can dispute that fact but the stats don't lie and Nadal may not get win after win but he gets decent results.

SUKTUEN
10-27-2007, 05:31 PM
Roger, hope you will not be too tired after Paris~~

Good Luck Roger in Paris and Shanghai!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Rafas_grl
10-27-2007, 05:39 PM
ALLEZ ROG!!!!
Decent draw
he always gets good ones!;)

Sunset of Age
10-27-2007, 05:40 PM
ALLEZ ROG!!!!
Decent draw
he always gets good ones!;)

:lol:

elessar
10-27-2007, 05:41 PM
ALLEZ ROG!!!!
Decent draw
he always gets good ones!;)

Good to see Rafatards posting here as long as they have a sense of humour :hug:

SUKTUEN
10-27-2007, 05:52 PM
ALLEZ ROG!!!!
Decent draw
he always gets good ones!;)

Because GOD Love him~~~

Hope my LORD always love Roger~~~:worship: :worship:

nobama
10-27-2007, 06:08 PM
oh I want Roger to win Paris with this draw.Exactly what shape would he be in going into TMC? Yeah I'd get sick pleasure out of him winning a tournament with a draw like this. But this draw is brutal enough that I fear he'll have not much left in the tank for TMC.

FedFan_2007
10-27-2007, 06:13 PM
Omigod, Roger giggling? I need this video!

didadida
10-27-2007, 06:14 PM
Exactly what shape would he be in going into TMC? Yeah I'd get sick pleasure out of him winning a tournament with a draw like this. But this draw is brutal enough that I fear he'll have not much left in the tank for TMC.


yeh as much i want him to play and win with this draw as much as i fear of injuries or he gets tired,we all want him to win in shanghai

but roger knowa what right for him and he knows his body well

so good luck roger

SUKTUEN
10-28-2007, 02:36 PM
may be he want to not be too hard in the AO next year~

Rogieva
10-28-2007, 04:47 PM
From what I saw in Basel F, I really think Roger should rest.

elessar
10-28-2007, 05:03 PM
After seeing that match, I'm now picturing Roger in a bogart coat saying "we'll never have Paris" :crying2:

SUKTUEN
10-28-2007, 05:20 PM
From what I saw in Basel F, I really think Roger should rest.

really? why?:eek:

didadida
10-28-2007, 06:34 PM
no i still think if he bring his A game and have his fighting spirit i can win it
but i fear of fatigue and that he couldnt play well in shanghai

bokehlicious
10-28-2007, 07:58 PM
I doubt Roger will finally grab a title on France soil yet... Good luck anways !

nobama
10-29-2007, 12:09 AM
So now we know why Fed is showing up in Paris.....to collect his $1.5M bonus. :lol:

http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2007news/federer_race07.asp
Swiss in line for $1.5m payout from ATP Masters Series Bonus Pool

Basel, Switzerland – Roger Federer clinched the year-end No. 1 ranking for the fourth consecutive year after defending his hometown title at the Davidoff Swiss Indoors Basel title on Sunday. He is the fourth player to finish No. 1 in the South African Airways ATP Rankings for at least four consecutive years, joining Pete Sampras (6), Jimmy Connors (5) and John McEnroe (4). Ivan Lendl also finished No. 1 four times but in five years.

As well as securing the end of season No. 1 slot, Federer is also in line to secure a $1.5m payout from the ATP Masters Series Bonus Pool. The $3 million ATP Masters Series Bonus Pool pays $1.5m, $750,000, $500,000 and $250,000 respectively to the world's top four players in the year-end ATP Race standings (released after Tennis Masters Cup) provided they have played eight of the season's nine ATP Masters Series tournaments, including Madrid and Paris.

lunahielo
10-29-2007, 12:24 AM
Well~~~So all he has to do is play one match...Right?
Sweet.

Wonder when he will play and who he will play?

marcRD
10-29-2007, 01:30 AM
He doesnt need to play paris to get the bonus, he has alraedy played in 8 master series this year.

Mechlan
10-29-2007, 01:35 AM
I doubt Roger will finally grab a title on France soil yet... Good luck anways !

Nothing in Paris yet, but he does have Marseille. :angel:

nobama
10-29-2007, 01:36 AM
He doesnt need to play paris to get the bonus, he has alraedy played in 8 master series this year.

according to the ATP webite: "provided they have played eight of the season's nine ATP Masters Series tournaments,
including Madrid and Paris". That's the whole point....to make sure these guys show up at the end of the year.

SUKTUEN
10-29-2007, 02:01 AM
Congratulations Roger! Go Roger in Paris!!!!

victory1
10-29-2007, 03:55 AM
Well~~~So all he has to do is play one match...Right?
Sweet.

Wonder when he will play and who he will play?

I don't think he'll play until Wednesday because his 2nd round opponents are not on Monday's schedule, so that would mean they will play on Tuesday and the winner will meet Fed on Wednesday!

didadida
10-29-2007, 04:14 AM
hope he get the rest for these couple of days
good luck roger

NYCtennisfan
10-29-2007, 04:22 AM
Good find mirkaland. I sense a tank coming up against Ivo for some reason....

Billabong
10-29-2007, 04:45 AM
Hmmmm... 2006 Cincinnati anyone;)?
Seriously I think if Rogi gets passed Karlovic (which will be very tough, Paris is extremely quick and Ivo will want revenge for yesterday), he will try his very best to beat Nalbandian in the 3rd round as he really won't want to lose to him again in the space of 3 weeks (and do a Canas in last March).. If he gets passed Nalbandian, he might want to try to win the whole thing, but I'm not sure what are his ecpectations in this tournament when he plays his first match there;)..

nobama
10-29-2007, 07:05 AM
Good find mirkaland. I sense a tank coming up against Ivo for some reason....I'll be very disappointed if he does. :(

Xristos
10-29-2007, 09:42 AM
Please rest up.

Such a horrible draw!

Rogette
10-29-2007, 01:23 PM
Goooo Roger Go

We love you ....

shacklebolt
10-29-2007, 03:38 PM
Good luck, Roger!

mangoes
10-29-2007, 04:04 PM
I didn't expect that Roger would play Paris. Thanks for the info about the requirements Mirkaland.

Best of luck to Roger......it's a hard draw. I expect a loss to Ivo:lol: :lol: I can't imagine he'd want to lose to Nalby or one of the youngsters. Ivo is the safest guy to lost to:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-29-2007, 04:28 PM
I didn't expect that Roger would play Paris. Thanks for the info about the requirements Mirkaland.

Best of luck to Roger......it's a hard draw. I expect a loss to Ivo:lol: :lol: I can't imagine he'd want to lose to Nalby or one of the youngsters. Ivo is the safest guy to lost to:lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:

Nah, you know what? I think Roger will just try to WIN this tournament. It's in his blood - he's no tanker. ;)
Also, he'd be happy to beat Nole again, just to make sure Raf has a better outlook to keep his #2 position... :p

SUKTUEN
10-29-2007, 04:29 PM
is Roger play in Wed?

mangoes
10-29-2007, 04:35 PM
:lol:

Nah, you know what? I think Roger will just try to WIN this tournament. It's in his blood - he's no tanker. ;)
Also, he'd be happy to beat Nole again, just to make sure Raf has a better outlook to keep his #2 position... :p

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yep, I also think he'd be more than happy to have Djerkovic not overtake Rafa:lol: But, I really will be shocked if he puts much effort into this tournament.

mangoes
10-29-2007, 04:38 PM
Hmmmm... 2006 Cincinnati anyone;)?
Seriously I think if Rogi gets passed Karlovic (which will be very tough, Paris is extremely quick and Ivo will want revenge for yesterday)

I didn't realize Paris was exteremly quick. I thought, of all the indoor courts, Paris was the slowest. Hence the reason guys like Ferrer, Davydenko...etc., do really well here.

Sunset of Age
10-29-2007, 05:54 PM
I didn't realize Paris was exteremly quick. I thought, of all the indoor courts, Paris was the slowest. Hence the reason guys like Ferrer, Davydenko...etc., do really well here.

Uhm, bad news: the surface in Paris has been changed this year, and it has reportedly become much, much slower than it used to be.

nobama
10-29-2007, 06:45 PM
Gotta say I'll be pissed if Roger shows up and doesn't try. I never wanted him to go, but since he is going I really hope he doesnt 'tank'. Someone posted in GM that Roger did an interview on a local radio station and got pissed off at the suggestion that he wasn't serious about trying to win Paris.

Everyone keeps talking about Ivo, but Ivo has to win a match before he meets Roger. That's not a 100% for sure thing. It's not like he's the king of winning TB's.

mangoes
10-29-2007, 07:54 PM
Gotta say I'll be pissed if Roger shows up and doesn't try. I never wanted him to go, but since he is going I really hope he doesnt 'tank'. Someone posted in GM that Roger did an interview on a local radio station and got pissed off at the suggestion that he wasn't serious about trying to win Paris.

Everyone keeps talking about Ivo, but Ivo has to win a match before he meets Roger. That's not a 100% for sure thing. It's not like he's the king of winning TB's.

I hope he does try in Paris..........but I also hope it doesn't mess with his TMC preparations. I suppose the plus is that his TMC opponents are also playing Paris.

Ivo is playing Verdasco................This really isn't a toss up as to who will be Roger's 2nd round opponent:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

nobama
10-29-2007, 08:26 PM
Ivo is playing Verdasco................This really isn't a toss up as to who will be Roger's 2nd round opponent:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Hey the courts are slower (thanks, Roger. :( ) and Ivo himself might be a bit tired. You just never know. Anyway I don't think about Roger's opponents until I know for sure who they are. :)

mangoes
10-29-2007, 08:48 PM
Hey the courts are slower (thanks, Roger. :( ) and Ivo himself might be a bit tired. You just never know. Anyway I don't think about Roger's opponents until I know for sure who they are. :)

I don't expect Roger to win Paris, so I'd just like him to go out to someone who won't let the win result in a puffed out chest like a peacock......eg. Djerkovic.

Sunset of Age
10-29-2007, 08:50 PM
I don't expect Roger to win Paris, so I'd just like him to go out to someone who won't let the win result in a puffed out chest like a peacock......eg. Djerkovic.

:lol:

If Roger would have to lose to anybody (besides the Usual Suspect :p), let's hope it'll be Murray. :bounce:

mangoes
10-29-2007, 09:12 PM
:lol:

If Roger would have to lose to anybody (besides the Usual Suspect :p), let's hope it'll be Murray. :bounce:

Granted......I really don't have anything against Murray(I don't care either way about him).........but I live in the US and another Murray win against Roger will result in more Brad Gilbert time on ESPN:banghead: I have a love/hate opinion about Brad. I do enjoy his commentating at times because he gives detailed analysis during tennis matches.........But, that's about all I enjoy about him:lol:

Sunset of Age
10-29-2007, 09:36 PM
Granted......I really don't have anything against Murray.........but I live in the US and another Murray win against Roger will result in more Brad Gilbert time on ESPN:banghead: I have a love/hate opinion about Brad. I do enjoy his commentating at times because he gives detailed analysis during tennis matches.........But, that's about all I enjoy about him:lol:

Well, coming to speak of TV coverage - does anyone over here have a good link to a livestream (NOT Betfair and/or bwin)?

I'd even be willing to go through an ESPN one... :angel:

Eden
10-29-2007, 09:37 PM
is Roger play in Wed?

Yes, Suktuen. Verdasco and Karlovic are playing against each other tomorrow and the winner of it will have to play against Roger in the next round.

ExpectedWinner
10-29-2007, 09:45 PM
:lol:

If Roger would have to lose to anybody (besides the Usual Suspect :p), let's hope it'll be Murray. :bounce:

Why am I supposed to hope for it? Out of all youngsters Murray might be the worst match up for Fed on various hcs/grass.
The way this draw is "composed", the 2nd round loss (Karlovic/Verdasco) is the only harmless loss Fed can take.

mangoes
10-29-2007, 09:47 PM
Well, coming to speak of TV coverage - does anyone over here have a good link to a livestream (NOT Betfair and/or bwin)?

I'd even be willing to go through an ESPN one... :angel:

Check over at the Paris Masters Forum. Sometimes Four:Love posts several links. I have the AMS TV online. During Madrid, they ran a special for the service, but they seem to have discontinued it for Paris.....

Eden
10-29-2007, 11:30 PM
Gotta say I'll be pissed if Roger shows up and doesn't try. I never wanted him to go, but since he is going I really hope he doesnt 'tank'. Someone posted in GM that Roger did an interview on a local radio station and got pissed off at the suggestion that he wasn't serious about trying to win Paris.

Good reaction of Roger then ;) I think he shows a good attitude towards the tournament. He is aware of his difficult draw, but apparently he feels good after his two weeks in Madrid and Basel and has no worries to risk injury when playing in Paris. As we have seen in the past he doesn't hesitate to cancel a tournament so I trust him that he wouldn't play Paris when he wouldn't feel ok.

Lets take round by round and not look to far ahead. Anything can happen, but I doubt that the outcome of Paris will affect Rogers chances in Shanghai. He won't suffer when he would lose early and if he would still be in Paris the next weekend he has another week before Shanghai starts.

Billabong
10-30-2007, 01:06 AM
You guys are right, I just saw the Paris courts and they look much slower than before:eek:

elessar
10-30-2007, 01:08 AM
Uhm, bad news: the surface in Paris has been changed this year, and it has reportedly become much, much slower than it used to be.

I've just come back from Bercy and it doesn't feel that slow to me, it's about the same surface they use for Shanghai and Madrid so it's a medium/quick indoor hard court. From what I saw today players seemed to get a lot of free points on their serve (Ancic only lost 1 in the third set against PHM) and while it is indeed slower that the carpet they used before it's certainly no Indian Wells

nobama
10-30-2007, 01:23 AM
I've just come back from Bercy and it doesn't feel that slow to me, it's about the same surface they use for Shanghai and Madrid so it's a medium/quick indoor hard court. From what I saw today players seemed to get a lot of free points on their serve (Ancic only lost 1 in the third set against PHM) and while it is indeed slower that the carpet they used before it's certainly no Indian WellsPhew. From the way some have described it I was expecting blue clay. :lol:

Flibbertigibbet
10-30-2007, 01:24 AM
Are there even any carpet tournament these days?

elessar
10-30-2007, 01:47 AM
Phew. From the way some have described it I was expecting blue clay. :lol:

Are you kidding the organisers were too afraid Roger would pull out to do that :devil: More seriously the surface was made specifically to ensure players wouldn't have to adapt to a new surface between Madrid and Shanghai which are not ice rinks but still relatively quick surfaces.

elessar
10-30-2007, 01:49 AM
Are there even any carpet tournament these days?

I think Lyon st Petersburg and the Kremlin cup are but other than that I don't know

mangoes
10-30-2007, 01:55 AM
Are you kidding the organisers were too afraid Roger would pull out to do that :devil: More seriously the surface was made specifically to ensure players wouldn't have to adapt to a new surface between Madrid and Shanghai which are not ice rinks but still relatively quick surfaces.

I wish the ATP would have put this out as the reason for the change in surface instead of laying it all at Roger and Nadal's feet. I'm not to cheery about a surface change being required for the both of them to play the tournament:(

elessar
10-30-2007, 02:06 AM
I wish the ATP would have put this out as the reason for the change in surface instead of laying it all at Roger and Nadal's feet. I'm not to cheery about a surface change being required for the both of them to play the tournament:(

I've seen several interviews and all I heard was that they wanted to accomodate all the players who had to play Shanghai the week after not just Federer and Nadal. I know how much trouble they had with previous editions and I can certainly understand why they felt it was necessary to make some changes.
They must have talked to all the top players to figure out how to have everybody there and decided a surface change was best for the tournament. Now I know people seem to be pissed but after having attended last year's final of Davydenko and Herbaty it seems to me that this is the lesser of two evils.

nobama
10-30-2007, 02:45 AM
I'm not ready to believe the surface was changed just because Roger and Nadal refused to show up if they didn't do so. Apparently other players tested the change during RG so if it was just a demand from the top 2 why would other players be testing it? Plus as I said in GM no way do I believe Roger would lobby for a slow, high bouncing court (if that's what it is).

It's quite plausable to me that the tournament reached out to players and one request was to have a surface similar to the one used at TMC.

mangoes
10-30-2007, 02:49 AM
I've seen several interviews and all I heard was that they wanted to accomodate all the players who had to play Shanghai the week after not just Federer and Nadal. I know how much trouble they had with previous editions and I can certainly understand why they felt it was necessary to make some changes.
They must have talked to all the top players to figure out how to have everybody there and decided a surface change was best for the tournament. Now I know people seem to be pissed but after having attended last year's final of Davydenko and Herbaty it seems to me that this is the lesser of two evils.

Without a doubt, last year's final was ridiculous. Your explanation makes sense. I hope such was the case instead of Roger and Rafa making "roundabout" demands.

elessar
10-30-2007, 03:04 AM
Without a doubt, last year's final was ridiculous. Your explanation makes sense. I hope such was the case instead of Roger and Rafa making "roundabout" demands.

I just listened again to interviews of the organisators and they clearly state that while Roger and Nadal were their primary concerns, they initiated talks with the players. In no way did Rog and Rafa just decide to have their demands carried out or they wouldn't play Bercy.

It's just GM's usual "storm in a teacup" syndrome :p

World Beater
10-30-2007, 03:07 AM
Madrid is definately faster than bercy this year.

I'm not sure whether its the surface or the altitude. Its probably the surface because the altitude factor in madrid should be insignificant.

Having watched indoor courts in the past, it really does look like indoor blue clay to me. :lol:

World Beater
10-30-2007, 03:09 AM
Without a doubt, last year's final was ridiculous. Your explanation makes sense. I hope such was the case instead of Roger and Rafa making "roundabout" demands.

Since the time roger has taken over the sport, the indoor season has suffered a painful death.

Its no coincidence that in the 90's, sampras finished YE #1 so many times. He always had the slick indoor surface to pick up mad pts to finish the year #1.

elessar
10-30-2007, 03:13 AM
Madrid is definately faster than bercy this year.

I'm not sure whether its the surface or the altitude. Its probably the surface because the altitude factor in madrid should be insignificant.

Having watched indoor courts in the past, it really does look like indoor blue clay to me. :lol:

Do you know what balls they use in Paris ? because I remember some comments that they were really flying in Madrid. I agree it's slower than last year but it's still funny to read some of the comments in GM right now : it seems that the surface is becoming bouncier and slower by the minute :lol:

nobama
10-30-2007, 03:13 AM
Madrid is definately faster than bercy this year.

I'm not sure whether its the surface or the altitude. Its probably the surface because the altitude factor in madrid should be insignificant.

Having watched indoor courts in the past, it really does look like indoor blue clay to me. :lol:
Blech. :ras: Scoobs in GM said it't not high bouncing though so thank god for that at least. But yeah it would be nice to have a proper indoor carpet season. I'm not a huge fan of s/v tennis, but I do like seeing players finish more points off at the net. Plus there are enough slow/medium paced hard courts throught the year.

mangoes
10-30-2007, 03:14 AM
Since the time roger has taken over the sport, the indoor season has suffered a painful death.

Its no coincidence that in the 90's, sampras finished YE #1 so many times. He always had the slick indoor surface to pick up mad pts to finish the year #1.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Sampras.......I didn't enjoy the days when the indoor tournaments involved serving ace after ace....BORING!!

I do feel bad for Paris. It has indeed suffered over the past few years. I think 03 was the last time Roger played Paris.

Last year wasn't a good tournament, but the year before was actually a good one- the Berdych/Ljubicic final was entertaining. I honestly thought it was the jumpstart Berdych:smash: needed for his career.

nobama
10-30-2007, 03:17 AM
Do you know what balls they use in Paris ? because I remember some comments that they were really flying in Madrid. I agree it's slower than last year but it's still funny to read some of the comments in GM right now : it seems that the surface is becoming bouncier and slower by the minute :lol:Same thing happened when it was announced AO was switching from Rebound Ace to Plexipave/Plexicushion. Immediately it was deemed AO was now a carbon copy of the US Open (even though Indian Wells, which is not considered a fast surface by any means, uses that same surface). :lol:

elessar
10-30-2007, 03:30 AM
Same thing happened when it was announced AO was switching from Rebound Ace to Plexipave/Plexicushion. Immediately it was deemed AO was now a carbon copy of the US Open (even though Indian Wells, which is not considered a fast surface by any means, uses that same surface). :lol:

Gotta love GM :hug: Well I'd love to keep discussing this but I gotta get up for work in 4 hours, even when a tournament takes place in my very own time zone, tennis still manages to leave me sleep deprived :lol:

lunahielo
10-30-2007, 03:41 AM
Tennis seems to always leave me sleep deprived!
But, I DO love it~~~and, Roger~~Bonne Chance..
Go get em cougar!!!

World Beater
10-30-2007, 04:23 AM
Do you know what balls they use in Paris ? because I remember some comments that they were really flying in Madrid. I agree it's slower than last year but it's still funny to read some of the comments in GM right now : it seems that the surface is becoming bouncier and slower by the minute :lol:

The surface in actuality is very fair for all the players.

Nadal's spin will whizz off the surface and flat shots should still be penetrating enough to cause weak replies.

I will wait to see nadal before i conclude its high bouncing. But lopez was getting some nice kick on his serve :scared:

Xristos
10-30-2007, 05:30 AM
Why is Rog playing this?

Or Levy
10-30-2007, 10:28 AM
A) He promised he would, and doesn't have any great excuses with Wendsday start and first round bye.
B) He wants to remind Ivo that even though Ivo 'may be bigger in the locker room' -Roger is still the TB king (and the guy who collects 1.5 dollars)
c) He wants to spank Nalby a-la Canas.
d) He wants to remind Nole who is really boss (or kill Murray's YEC hopes, both would serve)
h) He wants a chance to dent that H2h he got with Rafa.

buzz
10-30-2007, 11:14 AM
A) He promised he would, and doesn't have any great excuses with Wendsday start and first round bye.
B) He wants to remind Ivo that even though Ivo 'may be bigger in the locker room' -Roger is still the TB king (and the guy who collects 1.5 dollars)
c) He wants to spank Nalby a-la Canas.
d) He wants to remind Nole who is really boss (or kill Murray's YEC hopes, both would serve)
h) He wants a chance to dent that H2h he got with Rafa.

Only A) doesn't matter :rolleyes: ;)

rofe
10-30-2007, 02:32 PM
Blech. :ras: Scoobs in GM said it't not high bouncing though so thank god for that at least. But yeah it would be nice to have a proper indoor carpet season. I'm not a huge fan of s/v tennis, but I do like seeing players finish more points off at the net. Plus there are enough slow/medium paced hard courts throught the year.

It does seem a slower and higher bouncing surface to me than Madrid though I can't compare it to IW or Miami. Of course the camera angle is different than Madrid so that may have something to do with my observation.

ExpectedWinner
10-30-2007, 03:14 PM
A) He promised he would, and doesn't have any great excuses with Wendsday start and first round bye.
B) He wants to remind Ivo that even though Ivo 'may be bigger in the locker room' -Roger is still the TB king (and the guy who collects 1.5 dollars)
c) He wants to spank Nalby a-la Canas.
d) He wants to remind Nole who is really boss (or kill Murray's YEC hopes, both would serve)
h) He wants a chance to dent that H2h he got with Rafa.

What is this? A telegram from Fed to you?

SUKTUEN
10-30-2007, 03:36 PM
no Roger's match today~~~

Rogieva
10-30-2007, 05:33 PM
Karlovic won in 3 sets

Another Fed vs Ivo match

didadida
10-30-2007, 05:37 PM
oh no i hate this match,but verdasco break his serve once,lets hope roger can do it and win without this tierbreak
anywa good luck roger

didadida
10-30-2007, 05:38 PM
oh no i hate this match,but verdasco break his serve once,lets hope roger can do it and win without this tiebreak
anyway good luck roger

RogiFan88
10-30-2007, 06:15 PM
it's ridiculous to have these leadup carpet tourneys only to change the once-only carpet TMS to hc...

Sampras may have ENDED No 1 6 yrs in a row but he didn't always hold that No 1 spot throughout the entire year -- someone w have to look this up. At least for the first 4 yrs, Rogi has been No 1 continuously without a break...

Ivo again?? bad enough I had to sit thru that windy one in MTL this summer...

nobama
10-30-2007, 06:50 PM
If Verdasco can break Ivo I gotta believe Roger can. But maybe Ivo got his one break out of the way for this tournament. :lol:

elessar
10-30-2007, 06:59 PM
If Verdasco can break Ivo I gotta believe Roger can. But maybe Ivo got his one break out of the way for this tournament. :lol:

Poor guy has to be exhausted after breaking his opponent's serve not once but two times in a match, and no tie breaks :eek: which just shows that in tennis like in life anything can happen

elessar
10-30-2007, 07:36 PM
they just showed some images of Roger training with Stan, he was fooling around a bit and seemed to be in a pretty good mood

shacklebolt
10-30-2007, 09:20 PM
Good luck, Roger!!!!!!

didadida
10-30-2007, 09:29 PM
good luck ROGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Eden
10-30-2007, 11:29 PM
Wednesdays OOP:

COURT CENTRAL Matches Start At: 11:00 AM
Jarkko NIEMINEN (FIN) vs Andy MURRAY (GBR)
followed by
Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) vs Fabrice SANTORO (FRA)
followed by
Filippo VOLANDRI (ITA) vs Rafael NADAL (ESP)
followed by
Richard GASQUET (FRA) vs Jo-Wilfried TSONGA(FRA)

Not Before 8:15 PM
Roger FEDERER (SUI) vs Ivo KARLOVIC (CRO)
followed by
Nicolas MAHUT (FRA) vs James BLAKE (USA)


Good luck to Roger :)

didadida
10-30-2007, 11:49 PM
it is a late match for roger

soraya
10-31-2007, 12:05 AM
Karlovic won in 3 sets

Another Fed vs Ivo match

:banghead: :banghead: :zzz: :zzz:

RogiFan88
10-31-2007, 03:29 AM
not HIM again...

ALLEZ, RODG!

Sunset of Age
10-31-2007, 03:30 AM
not HIM again...

ALLEZ, RODG!

Well, anyone against yet ANOTHER nice Ivo-spanking by Rogi? :p

I agree though... these two have been meeting each other on court a mite too often lately. :mad:

lunahielo
10-31-2007, 05:11 AM
Go Roger!!! :)

SUKTUEN
10-31-2007, 11:29 AM
Roger play in 3:15 AM in HK!!!:eek: :eek:

Rogieva
10-31-2007, 11:30 AM
i had a weird dream that ivo won 75 in the third set :scared:

SUKTUEN
10-31-2007, 11:37 AM
i had a weird dream that ivo won 75 in the third set :scared:

What~~~~:eek: it just a dream~~:p

MarcelaTauro
10-31-2007, 11:48 AM
Oh against the boring Karlovic :o :yawn:
I dont know if i will see the match, Ivo is too boring.

SUKTUEN
10-31-2007, 11:53 AM
I must watch it~~I miss Roger~~

MarcelaTauro
10-31-2007, 11:55 AM
You watched Basel tournament?
Here in Argentina we have TV Covarage and hopefully i watched. So i dont miss roger a lot now :lol<.

SUKTUEN
10-31-2007, 11:58 AM
no, I just will buy Basel DVD to watch~

but the Paris TMS I can watch in Starsport HK

nobama
10-31-2007, 09:30 PM
Roger gets broken at love to lose the second set. :rolleyes:

stebs
10-31-2007, 10:06 PM
Roger gets broken at love to lose the second set. :rolleyes:

You watching the match? I guess not if you think Roger got broken at love (he got broken at 30).

Nothing wrong with being broken once by the big guy, he is underrated off the ground.

ExpectedWinner
10-31-2007, 10:16 PM
When everyone thinks he's going to tank, he's getting fired up.

nobama
10-31-2007, 10:17 PM
You watching the match? I guess not if you think Roger got broken at love (he got broken at 30).

Nothing wrong with being broken once by the big guy, he is underrated off the ground.
Oops. :o No I was watching the scoreboard at work and turned it off when I saw 0-40. :lol:

nobama
10-31-2007, 10:17 PM
When everyone thinks he's going to tank, he's getting fired up.I hope he brings that fire (and a healthy 1st serve %) tomorrow against Fat Dave.

Rogieva
10-31-2007, 10:18 PM
Indeed.

Broke Ivo twice in the third. :cool:

Good match, Roger's serve % was a bit off. 40 winner to 13 unforced errors. Good match overall with some great rallies, but the winner was never in doubt. :bounce:

didadida
10-31-2007, 10:20 PM
congrats roger
finally he broke him 3 times this is wonderfuull
he should not lose the second set

yanchr
10-31-2007, 10:21 PM
Good match. He looked like he wants to win here.

Rogieva
10-31-2007, 10:22 PM
So King Fed plays Fat Dave in next round ?

didadida
10-31-2007, 10:24 PM
good luck roger time to revenge

RogiFan88
10-31-2007, 10:51 PM
so he lost a set... at least there were no TBs... :lol:

ALLEZ, RODG!

Wield that sword of yours vs. Nalby tomorrow!

[what, not HIM again?!] sheesh...

Allez, Ferru too! ;)

rofe
10-31-2007, 11:34 PM
This surface seems to suit his game - he is more comfortable retrieving shots. Dave will be a good test of that assertion of course. :)

World Beater
10-31-2007, 11:35 PM
When everyone thinks he's going to tank, he's getting fired up.

i'm not sure where these suspicions about tanking came from with regards to federer, but they are not true.

Federer does not tank. He is above that shi$

bokehlicious
10-31-2007, 11:39 PM
so he lost a set... at least there were no TBs... :lol:


Roger was asked by the French TV if he was annoyed to have lost a set and he replied that he'd rather lose a set and break him 3 times than winning on 2 breakers as tie-breaks could often go either way...

rofe
10-31-2007, 11:46 PM
Also the ball seems to be stopping a bit after the bounce instead of coming through and I think that is helping Fed.

rwn
10-31-2007, 11:51 PM
i'm not sure where these suspicions about tanking came from with regards to federer, but they are not true.

Federer does not tank. He is above that shi$

Yes, these suspicions are weird. Federer has to much pride to tank. He plays every tournament to win.

NYCtennisfan
10-31-2007, 11:58 PM
The points he lost to get broken in the 2nd set were pretty much the only points he lost on serve in the 2nd. Good returning, the rest so so. He'll have to step it up against Fat Dave.

nobama
11-01-2007, 12:20 AM
I hope we see these same images after tomorrows match. :lol:

http://new2.isifa.com/photo/preview/15732271.jpg

http://new2.isifa.com/photo/preview/15732270.jpg

elessar
11-01-2007, 01:11 AM
:lol: at the on court interview :
-First a little word with the winner, Roger you hadn't been here since 2003 what does it feel like to play here again ?
-Finally, finally I'm here !
-I guess you feel really good here ?
-Yes so much I'd like to stay a little longer

shacklebolt
11-01-2007, 03:15 AM
Good luck against Nalbandian, Roger!!!!!!

SerenaFederer
11-01-2007, 03:33 AM
fed will do to david what he did to canas in madrid....payback is a *woo*

Marek.
11-01-2007, 04:12 AM
I didn't see the match but from the sounds of it Fed looked serious in the third set which is great to hear. If he does end up winning this tournament I don't think he'll be too tired for Shanghai since he has about a week off.

Rogiman
11-01-2007, 04:19 AM
Roger play in 3:15 AM in HK!!!:eek: :eek:I'm in Taiwan ATM.

No tennis for me this week.

I'm at Philips every day from 9am to 10pm when I return to my hotel only to find out it's still early afternoon in europe and no chance for me to watch tennis :o

ExpectedWinner
11-01-2007, 05:12 AM
I hope he brings that fire (and a healthy 1st serve %) tomorrow against Fat Dave.


Agree about the serve, Slim Dave will kill him on his second delivery.
I'd say that he needs more concentration against Nalby, not fire.
Btw, what is it on your signature? Don't tell me that it's Fed's Grand Entrance outfit for TMC.

Daniel
11-01-2007, 05:34 AM
Good luck Roger :kiss: :worship:

nobama
11-01-2007, 06:13 AM
Agree about the serve, Slim Dave will kill him on his second delivery.
I'd say that he needs more concentration against Nalby, not fire.
Btw, what is it on your signature? Don't tell me that it's Fed's Grand Entrance outfit for TMC.
I agree about the concentration, but I think he needs the fire too. Or at least some sort of emotion.

My sig? Apparently Fed was involved in some photo shoot for Disney where he's playing the part of King Arthur. :lol:

lunahielo
11-01-2007, 06:28 AM
I sure like that strong arm and fist raised when he wins now!
Yep, sure do~ :)

lunahielo
11-01-2007, 06:30 AM
Love the idea of Rog as King Arthur...*Titled King of the Court*..
Check out the video at the ATP site...:cool:

World Beater
11-01-2007, 06:40 AM
When nadal says the surface is slow, you know its slow.

indoor blue clay. :lol:

It does make the tournament more interesting though. We have more contenders for it.

I like slower surfaces for federer against nalbandian. Federer needs a bit of time on the bh to give it a good rip and he can play defense against dave easier. On a fast court, its so easy for dave to counterpunch.

Unless federer has an really good serve day, he wont beat an on-fire nalbandian on a fast court. Tomorrow will be a different match though.

Eden
11-01-2007, 10:09 AM
Interview with Roger after his match against Karlovic

http://www.atpmastersseries.tv/page/TournamentInterview/0,,11444~1156815,00.html

He sounds really confident :)

Too bad that he plays David so early in the tournament. Good luck for the match Roger :yeah:

lsy
11-01-2007, 11:11 AM
I actually stayed up till 3.30 am to watch the match...well actually coz I couldn't sleep. I'm surprised at how much Karlovic had improved on his groundstrokes since the last time I watched him, admittedly that's quite sometime back. The surfact does look really slow.

I went to bed after the 2nd set though coz it's almost 4sth in the morning. Glad to see he gone through this hurdle. To be honest I wasn't all that confident after he lost a set.

Hope he beats Nalby. I like watching Nalby but I don't like seeing him beating Rogi ;)

i'm not sure where these suspicions about tanking came from with regards to federer, but they are not true.

Federer does not tank. He is above that shi$

Exactly. Don't get this too :shrug:


Btw, what is it on your signature? Don't tell me that it's Fed's Grand Entrance outfit for TMC.

:spit: :scared:

mangoes
11-01-2007, 04:26 PM
QUESTION for anyone with ATP Masters Tv

I keep buffering....is anyone having that problem?? Or is it only me?

Pedigree
11-01-2007, 04:32 PM
Emergency - does anybody have a working web stream of this? I NEED to see the Federer match today but am stuck at work.

Sunset of Age
11-01-2007, 04:34 PM
Emergency - does anybody have a working web stream of this? I NEED to see the Federer match today but am stuck at work.

I guess Star Sports will be showing it this evening. Download TVU-player, choose the Star Sports-channel, et violà.

SUKTUEN
11-01-2007, 05:14 PM
Go Roger!!!

Beat David this time!!:fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

luzkoz
11-01-2007, 06:23 PM
Get your revenge, Roger!:devil:

lunahielo
11-01-2007, 07:54 PM
Payback time, Roger~~~~~~~~~~Pull that sword out of the stone and
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! :)

graciewx
11-01-2007, 08:03 PM
Roger was so honest to say "thank God he cooled down a little bit in Basel and was beaten by my friend Stan Wawrinka..."

Show time!!


Interview with Roger after his match against Karlovic

http://www.atpmastersseries.tv/page/TournamentInterview/0,,11444~1156815,00.html

He sounds really confident :)

Too bad that he plays David so early in the tournament. Good luck for the match Roger :yeah:

Pedigree
11-01-2007, 08:28 PM
I guess Star Sports will be showing it this evening. Download TVU-player, choose the Star Sports-channel, et violà.

Ack - Star Sports doesn't start until 4:30.

tennizen
11-01-2007, 08:34 PM
^^ The match is live on starsports now

didadida
11-01-2007, 08:40 PM
roger lost his serve
he seems not comfortable and nalby keeps playing on roger's bh
allez roger break him back

didadida
11-01-2007, 08:40 PM
2-1 nalby on serve

didadida
11-01-2007, 08:42 PM
omg he makes roger playes the way he wants
i dont feel good about this match

mangoes
11-01-2007, 08:48 PM
I smell a loss today.........damn!! I hope I'm wrong.

didadida
11-01-2007, 08:51 PM
me too,look at the baffle look on roger's face
its remind me of nadal's match
i hope he find a clue for nalbandian
please roger c'mon

neenah
11-01-2007, 08:53 PM
Nalbandian is just... :eek:

He's playing amazingly.

lunahielo
11-01-2007, 08:55 PM
ALLEZ!!! Rog...C'mon

didadida
11-01-2007, 08:56 PM
another break
i cant believe,this match sucks
i thought he will try to revenge
but i see him so confused
we will see what will happen!!!!!

soraya
11-01-2007, 08:56 PM
I am not sure...does he want to stay in Paris?

buzz
11-01-2007, 08:56 PM
Nalbandian is marching over roger....:(

Does he know some kind of secret returning rogers serve??

mangoes
11-01-2007, 08:58 PM
This is why I wanted him to call it a day with Karlovic...... Nalbandian is struting around that court as if he is the no. 1 player while Roger looks lost. Nalbandian is playing so aggressively with lots of confidence.

soraya
11-01-2007, 09:00 PM
really unfortunate, with two missed breakpoint. Better go back to work.

didadida
11-01-2007, 09:02 PM
a break for roger
hope he can make it one more time

buzz
11-01-2007, 09:10 PM
getting better!

didadida
11-01-2007, 09:11 PM
bye bye first set
6-4
a lot of ufs

lunahielo
11-01-2007, 09:12 PM
OK...let's move on..and win the next 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

neenah
11-01-2007, 09:13 PM
I think there's still some hope for Fed.

buzz
11-01-2007, 09:16 PM
^me too, I have hope, but am very nervous somehow (I rarely post when Roger plays..)

lunahielo
11-01-2007, 09:26 PM
C'mon

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 09:36 PM
Can anyone watching the match tell me what Roger's doing on Nalby's serve? Because looking at the scoreboard, it looks like Nalbandian's having easy service holds.

buzz
11-01-2007, 09:47 PM
Well just got broken, but federer reached deuce a copple of times. It will be hard....

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 09:54 PM
wow, roger is so clutch winning that game. hold now!!!

neenah
11-01-2007, 09:54 PM
at 6-4, 5-4, *30-15 Nalby, I thought it was over but Fed broke back and it's now *30-0! :D

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 09:59 PM
i thought it was over too. D:

thank god roger broke back but i'm going to be biting my fingernails if there's a tiebreak (and it's looking that way). roger needs to hold serve easily and pressure nalbandian's serve!

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:02 PM
i can't believe roger blew a 2nd serve sp.

buzz
11-01-2007, 10:06 PM
aahh! losing all his service points!

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:09 PM
oh fuck. D:

mangoes
11-01-2007, 10:09 PM
I am so annoyed right now............I can't believe this.

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:10 PM
this is just like canas (except nalby is better) with feds getting beaten twice. :banghead:

i just can't believe he lost the important points: especially when they were on 2nd serves.

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:11 PM
I am so annoyed right now............I can't believe this.

me too. i'm just hoping that roger doesn't have some kind of mental block against nalbandian - he's struggled against him before. i really hope roger realizes that he needs a coach for next season.

nobama
11-01-2007, 10:11 PM
Thankfully I didn't see this. Was Roger just not interested today or was he ouplayed again?!?

neenah
11-01-2007, 10:12 PM
Tough loss for Fed...Nalby would have killed anyone he played today, it's unfortunate Roger was in his path. :sobbing:

neenah
11-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Thankfully I didn't see this. Was Roger just not interested today or was he ouplayed again?!?

Nalbandian played an excellent match. Federer wasn't awful. He fought back from 4-6, 4-5, 15-30* to a tiebreak. But Nalbandian was doing just about everything right.

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Tough loss for Fed...Nalby would have killed anyone he played today, it's unfortunate Roger was in his path. :sobbing:

but i just don't find that an excuse. so what if nalbandian is playing amazing? roger should find that next level that he usually can and match it. i didn't watch the match, so i can't say, but roger missed a lot of 2nd serve opportunities on important points.

mangoes
11-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Thankfully I didn't see this. Was Roger just not interested today or was he ouplayed again?!?

Outplayed......and couldn't find a first serve at critical times:mad: Not to mention the celebration of Nalbandian's crew after the win was as if he just won a GS.........

didadida
11-01-2007, 10:14 PM
roger lost the match
i felt it from the beginnig of the match
roger looked so helpless,he seemed that he came on court without a strategy
and nalbandian was moving him all over the court and playing the same shots ,he made him stuck in the bh corner
same shots and roger didnt even to try to scape and to try to play his game

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:15 PM
Outplayed......and couldn't find a first serve at critical times:mad: Not to mention the celebration of Nalbandian's crew after the win was as if he just won a GS.........

i was surprised that fed's serve was broken so much in the tiebreak. i thought that was his biggest asset this year. :o

i just hope that roger can bounce back and re-evaluate his strengths and weaknesses.


roger looked so helpless,he seemed that he came on court without a strategy

this is the reason that i think roger needs a coach; they can see roger's game objectively wheras i sometimes think roger glazes over his weaknesses.

didadida
11-01-2007, 10:16 PM
im pissed of roger
another back to back lose
thank god the season is alomost over
i hope next season we wont see any of this loses anymore

mangoes
11-01-2007, 10:17 PM
Tough loss for Fed...Nalby would have killed anyone he played today, it's unfortunate Roger was in his path. :sobbing:

Oh spare me............Roger looked lost out there. Nalbandian wasn't just playing another player. He was playing Roger. That excuse maybe worked last week, but Roger should have known what to expect today and come out with a game plan. Nalbandian played aggressively, took the ball early and never doubted he was going to win today. It shouldn't have been this easy for Nalbandian to win.

mangoes
11-01-2007, 10:19 PM
this is the reason that i think roger needs a coach; they can see roger's game objectively wheras i sometimes think roger glazes over his weaknesses.

I agree with you...

neenah
11-01-2007, 10:23 PM
but i just don't find that an excuse. so what if nalbandian is playing amazing? roger should find that next level that he usually can and match it. i didn't watch the match, so i can't say, but roger missed a lot of 2nd serve opportunities on important points.

Because Roger isn't unbeatable? :shrug: A tight head-to-head like theirs obviously shows that Nalby has something with which he can beat Fed more easily than others. It's not an excuse, it's the truth. Roger might be able to find the next level against other players, but he couldn't today, so he lost.

i was surprised that fed's serve was broken so much in the tiebreak. i thought that was his biggest asset this year. :o

That surprised me too. I thought the breaker would have been more of a fight considering Roger is normally very good in them.

im pissed of roger
another back to back lose
thank god the season is alomost over
i hope next season we wont see any of this loses anymore

:hug:

Oh spare me............Roger looked lost out there. Nalbandian wasn't just playing another player. He was playing Roger. That excuse maybe worked last week, but Roger should have known what to expect today and come out with a game plan.

I'm just giving Nalbandian well-deserved credit. He played a very nice match, and Federer wasn't awful. Maybe he didn't learn as much as he should have from his match in Madrid, I'll say that much.

lunahielo
11-01-2007, 10:23 PM
on to Shanghai.........Nalbandian played an awesome match.

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:24 PM
I agree with you...

i think the only good thing about this loss is that it will wake roger up to the fact that he still has many areas to improve in. i think if he had won this match, he probably would have thought that his first loss to nalbandian was a fluke and that everything was all right.

:o :o at roger.

(i'm pissed at how many of federer's "fans" declare that his time is over.)

neenah
11-01-2007, 10:25 PM
Sorry if I sounded kind of rude in my last post. :hug:

I'm going to watch Youzhny/Haas now, two players that I like equally, and the win/win situation should cheer me up. :)

neenah
11-01-2007, 10:26 PM
(i'm pissed at how many of federer's "fans" declare that his time is over.)

I know, that's ridiculous. Same as after the Cañas loss. :rolleyes:

yanchr
11-01-2007, 10:27 PM
At least I didn't think he could break back when Nalbandian was serving for the match. Nice try anyway...and followed by a clueless TB...

Just go to Shanghai now...Hope this Nalbandian will never fall in his quarter in a GS...

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:27 PM
Because Roger isn't unbeatable? :shrug: A tight head-to-head like theirs obviously shows that Nalby has something with which he can beat Fed more easily than others. It's not an excuse, it's the truth. Roger might be able to find the next level against other players, but he couldn't today, so he lost.

That surprised me too. I thought the breaker would have been more of a fight considering Roger is normally very good in them.


i know that roger isn't unbeatable (how i wish he was :p); i guess it's that we get used to his amazing results and expect more. but with his talent and abilities it's only right that we expect more. i just really hope that roger takes this loss as something to look at to improve rather than something negative.

this match reminded me a lot of the montreal final where roger played well to get to the breaker (had a set point) only to have his serve broken and lose.

mangoes
11-01-2007, 10:30 PM
I'm just giving Nalbandian well-deserved credit. He played a very nice match, and Federer wasn't awful. Maybe he didn't learn as much as he should have from his match in Madrid, I'll say that much.

Nalbandian has been given credit by most Fed fans........check GM. But, that doesn't take away from the fact that today, the "TOO GOOD", excuse reeks of BS. This isn't about how Nalbandian played. He played a solid match. This is about Roger's response to Nalbandian's challenge.

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:30 PM
Sorry if I sounded kind of rude in my last post. :hug:

I'm going to watch Youzhny/Haas now, two players that I like equally, and the win/win situation should cheer me up. :)

:D

today has been pretty shitty for me since marti has been declared a coke addict and has retired (again) and federer lost to nalbandian (again).

swiss tennis ftl.

i really want to see what roger says about this match.

neenah
11-01-2007, 10:31 PM
i know that roger isn't unbeatable (how i wish he was :p); i guess it's that we get used to his amazing results and expect more. but with his talent and abilities it's only right that we expect more. i just really hope that roger takes this loss as something to look at to improve rather than something negative.

this match reminded me a lot of the montreal final where roger played well to get to the breaker (had a set point) only to have his serve broken and lose.

Aw, I know what you mean about the first paragraph. :) But Roger is truly amazing with his accomplishments, and I'm willing to accept the fact that from time to time he loses. :p At least now people can't complain that they're sick of him winning everything. :lol:

I didn't see the Montreal final, thankfully. I like Nole as well as Fed (and Rafa :p) but I would have cheered for Fed in Montreal. So it's a good thing I saw the USO final and not the Montreal one. :p

nobama
11-01-2007, 10:32 PM
Outplayed......and couldn't find a first serve at critical times:mad: Not to mention the celebration of Nalbandian's crew after the win was as if he just won a GS.........Boo. I don't care that Roger lost. And I'm glad he'll be fresh going into TMC. But if he didn't learn anything from the Madrid match shame on him. And if he expected Nalbandian to bend over for him then really shame on him. I really thought today he would be in the mood to give Nalandian a beatdown.

I don't want to read too much into this match because it's the end of the year and once again Roger caught a hot player early in a tournament. But stil, I don't like it when someone's got him figured out and he mentally isn't able to switch gears or give the guy a different look.

didadida
11-01-2007, 10:32 PM
i dont want to see more losses again next year
roger should hire a coach to help him

ExpectedWinner
11-01-2007, 10:32 PM
Just go to Shanghai now...Hope this Nalbandian will never fall in his quarter in a GS...

Oh, come on, we all know that The Fatty will be randomly "glued" to Fed in all draws next year, unless he decides that car racing and singing are the areas where his talents shine the most.

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:34 PM
At least I didn't think he could break back when Nalbandian was serving for the match. Nice try anyway...and followed by a clueless TB...

Just go to Shanghai now...Hope this Nalbandian will never fall in his quarter in a GS...

why? it's not as if roger has never beaten nalbandian before. roger shouldn't be afraid of nalbandian: roger is the world no.1 after all. plus, a gs will be best of 5 instead of three and i think roger would have more time to think about how to execute his game.

neenah
11-01-2007, 10:34 PM
Nalbandian has been given credit by most Fed fans........check GM. But, that doesn't take away from the fact that today, the "TOO GOOD", excuse reeks of BS.

GM...:scared: :lol:

I agree, "too good" isn't really much of an excuse. Which is why I wouldn't use it as an excuse today. Sorry if it seemed that I was; I was simply stating that for the Federer of November 1, 2007, the Nalbandian of November 1, 2007 was too good. Federer did too much wrong.

I also think Fed should get a coach. And outsider's opinion is always great insight to faults.

mangoes
11-01-2007, 10:38 PM
Boo. I don't care that Roger lost. And I'm glad he'll be fresh going into TMC. But if he didn't learn anything from the Madrid match shame on him. And if he expected Nalbandian to bend over for him then really shame on him. I really thought today he would be in the mood to give Nalandian a beatdown.


I wanted Roger to lose to Karlovic, so him being out of Paris isn't a big deal to me. But, I didn't want him to lose to Nalbandian......that doesn't send a good message to the rest of the field. Not to mention, I didn't expect Roger to allow Nalby to control their match to this degree. I guess what tickled me was the lost look on his face at times.


p.s. :ras:BOO...back to you:lol: :lol:

didadida
11-01-2007, 10:39 PM
see all roger's haters on GM
they are mocking of him

nobama
11-01-2007, 10:41 PM
I wanted Roger to lose to Karlovic, so him being out of Paris isn't a big deal to me. But, I didn't want him to lose to Nalbandian......that doesn't send a good message to the rest of the field. Not to mention, I didn't expect Roger to allow Nalby to control their match to this degree. I guess what tickled me was the lost look on his face at times.
Like he usually has against Nadal on clay. I thought Nalbandian was out of his head, but that loss in Madrid has brought him right back in.

Oh well Roger's got his $1.5M and can get to Shanghai early. If he can't avenge his losses on Nalbandian directly I hope he takes his frustration out on everyone in Shanghai. :lol:

mangoes
11-01-2007, 10:42 PM
see all roger's haters on GM
they are mocking of him

:lol: :lol: R=FK is about to take away Rafa's title of 'Fed Killa' and give it to Nalby:lol:

bokehlicious
11-01-2007, 10:42 PM
Well done David :yeah:

As usual he plays out of his mind vs Fed and loses badly to journeymen... That's the way it is... :sad:

Mechlan
11-01-2007, 10:43 PM
Surprised that Roger didn't really bring it this match. I thought for sure after the last defeat he would be amped up for this one. Also disappointing that Roger fails to win in Paris again. And that he lost to a rival. But all that said, I fully expect him to be ready to play the next time these two meet. And I also expect a great TMC showing now. So hopefully something positive will come of this defeat.

mangoes
11-01-2007, 10:43 PM
Oh well Roger's got his $1.5M and can get to Shanghai early. If he can't avenge his losses on Nalbandian directly I hope he takes his frustration out on everyone in Shanghai. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: ...................starting with serving a bagel to Djokovic:aplot: :lol:

bokehlicious
11-01-2007, 10:44 PM
But, I didn't want him to lose to Nalbandian......that doesn't send a good message to the rest of the field. Not to mention, I didn't expect Roger to allow Nalby to control their match to this degree. I guess what tickled me was the lost look on his face at times.


:worship: completely agree, sweetie :hug: :D

nobama
11-01-2007, 10:44 PM
p.s. :ras:BOO...back to you:lol: :lol:I'm not saying boo to you....I'm saying boo to Roger. :lol:

I didn't give a shit about Paris but then with Roger's fist pumps and 'come on's' against Karlovic I thought he was on a mission to plow through this tough draw. :(

holagirl56
11-01-2007, 10:47 PM
I'm not saying boo to you....I'm saying boo to Roger. :lol:

I didn't give a shit about Paris but then with Roger's fist pumps and 'come on's' against Karlovic I thought he was on a mission to plow through this tough draw. :(

maybe he just really didn't want to lose to karlovic?

this is just depressing. :o

Allure
11-01-2007, 10:49 PM
Disappointed as I thought Roger would win. Nalbandian played great and Roger was okay. (I'm not going to say terrible as it wasn't piss poor and he certainly did NOT tank). But I think this year, aside from the three majors, he has been average compared to other years. (2004-2006). Hopefully 2008 will be a better year.

yanchr
11-01-2007, 10:50 PM
why? it's not as if roger has never beaten nalbandian before. roger shouldn't be afraid of nalbandian: roger is the world no.1 after all. plus, a gs will be best of 5 instead of three and i think roger would have more time to think about how to execute his game.
I just hope...I didn't say Roger wouldn't beat him. Just I think Nalbandian more often than not plays with an extra gear against Roger (I hate you Nalbandian :( )

That said, I don't think this loss will affect Roger's TMC run or even next year. I think he still looked better than USO :o :p

Puschkin
11-01-2007, 10:52 PM
I wanted Roger to lose to Karlovic, so him being out of Paris isn't a big deal to me. But, I didn't want him to lose to Nalbandian......that doesn't send a good message to the rest of the field.

Luckily for Roger, the rest of the field is not as talented as Nalbandian, so the messages won't help. ;)

yanchr
11-01-2007, 10:55 PM
I wanted Roger to lose to Karlovic, so him being out of Paris isn't a big deal to me. But, I didn't want him to lose to Nalbandian......that doesn't send a good message to the rest of the field. Not to mention, I didn't expect Roger to allow Nalby to control their match to this degree. I guess what tickled me was the lost look on his face at times.
But the rest of the field doesn't have what Nalbandian has :p I think the msg is not as effective as when he lost to Canas twice early this year. And we know about the rest after the two losses:p

Well, I don't want Roger to lose to ANYBODY. But such is life, esp in the years to come:p I fully expect a confident and in-form Roger in TMC, and hopefully next year.

Rogieva
11-01-2007, 11:00 PM
Urgh, I thought Roger would be really wanting to get revenge. :o Don't know what to say, I didn't watch the match so I dont' want to comment. Canas all over again. :sad:

Rest up and play #1 at Shanghai.

ExpectedWinner
11-01-2007, 11:02 PM
Well, his bh and volleys have been degrading since Roche's departure.
His movement doesn't seem slow now, but shots on the run are not there (for some reason, he did not try to get a few balls within the reach in the 2nd set; I did not see the 1st). His fh has been on and off all year. He can't get away against well prepared Fatty with so many shortcomings.

Allure
11-01-2007, 11:02 PM
Roger beat Nalbandian before when he was regularly playing at 80%. This year he slipped to where his usual level is 65% and 80% at slams. Unfortunately playing 65% is not good enough to beat Nalbandian. He is reverting to times when David once owned him.

World Beater
11-01-2007, 11:29 PM
i dont understand all this crap about federer not being interested, tanking or whatever.

nalbandian just beat federer hollow today. Federer knows he will need to be ready next time because their next match may actually be in a GS.

Roger needs to stop chipping all those returns. :retard: It wont work indoors against nalbandian.

Federer also needs to stop playing so passive on the break pts. David and Rafa are too mentally tough against roger to just gift him breaks.

Blondie1985
11-01-2007, 11:43 PM
i'm sad...

Sjengster
11-01-2007, 11:46 PM
You can't beat Nalbandian with sluggish footwork, a crap topspin backhand and a forehand that breaks down when it's put under pressure, ie all the weaknesses Federer had back in 2003 that he has improved over the years but have gotten weaker again this year. At times watching the match it was as if the last four years had never happened - with one crucial difference, Nalbandian has a first serve now and it's very effective. Stroke for stroke from the baseline he is comfortably the better player, especially indoors, but probably on all surfaces unless Federer works hard at his ground game for next year. The rumoured speed increase of the AO surface will also play into Nalbandian's hands if he meets Federer there.

didadida
11-01-2007, 11:48 PM
i dont understand all this crap about federer not being interested, tanking or whatever.

nalbandian just beat federer hollow today. Federer knows he will need to be ready next time because their next match may actually be in a GS.

Roger needs to stop chipping all those returns. :retard: It wont work indoors against nalbandian.

Federer also needs to stop playing so passive on the break pts. David and Rafa are too mentally tough against roger to just gift him breaks.

totally agree with you

Sjengster
11-01-2007, 11:49 PM
Just wanted to add, without annoying any of the Swiss posters here, that if ever there was a day to forget for Swiss tennis....

didadida
11-02-2007, 12:13 AM
maybe he should ask stan for an advice
hehehe

Eden
11-02-2007, 12:19 AM
I wanted Roger to lose to Karlovic, so him being out of Paris isn't a big deal to me. But, I didn't want him to lose to Nalbandian......that doesn't send a good message to the rest of the field. Not to mention, I didn't expect Roger to allow Nalby to control their match to this degree. I guess what tickled me was the lost look on his face at times.


I disagree here ;) The matches between those two have shown what David is capable of and therefore it's not a new message that David has the game to beat Roger.

It still has to be seen what kind of performances we will see of David next year and therefore it is a bit premature to worry about matches between him and Roger at a GS. David is a player with a roller-coaster career and you don't know what you get from him before a tournament.

Lets hope Roger has a few relaxing days now before going to Shanghai. I don't think this second consecutive loss to David will affect his chances at the TMC.

mangoes
11-02-2007, 12:43 AM
:worship: completely agree, sweetie :hug: :D
:hug: :hug:

Disappointed as I thought Roger would win. Nalbandian played great and Roger was okay. (I'm not going to say terrible as it wasn't piss poor and he certainly did NOT tank). But I think this year, aside from the three majors, he has been average compared to other years. (2004-2006). Hopefully 2008 will be a better year.

Who said Roger tanked?

Luckily for Roger, the rest of the field is not as talented as Nalbandian, so the messages won't help. ;)

True......but I still don't like the message it sends. On another note, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that your sweetiepie, Gasquet, makes it to the final:banana:

i dont understand all this crap about federer not being interested, tanking or whatever.



Who said that?

World Beater
11-02-2007, 12:53 AM
Who said that?

i wont say who. But if you look through the thread, you can find out.

lunahielo
11-02-2007, 01:09 AM
I think it was just a bad day for him~~~Don't we all have them?
And he did have a lost look on his face at times..He didn't play too poorly, but it seemed he couldn't come up with anything special.. It seemed that he *woke up* in the second set...but it was too late and nothing was flowing for him...

Also I don't think it will effect his performance at Shanghai.

OT...Now, will someone please tell me about this new guy in his corner?
(I don't know his name, but he used to work with Tim)~~
What are his duties? And what does a phisio do? Where are Roger's former
people?
Anyone?
Luna

mangoes
11-02-2007, 01:29 AM
I disagree here ;) The matches between those two have shown what David is capable of and therefore it's not a new message that David has the game to beat Roger.

It still has to be seen what kind of performances we will see of David next year and therefore it is a bit premature to worry about matches between him and Roger at a GS. David is a player with a roller-coaster career and you don't know what you get from him before a tournament.

Lets hope Roger has a few relaxing days now before going to Shanghai. I don't think this second consecutive loss to David will affect his chances at the TMC.

Hi Eden:hug:

1. We are going to have to disagree on the message sent to the other players:D

2. I'm not worrying about Nalby becoming a threat at GSs. Firstly, he'd have to keep that level of play up for a best of 5. Secondly, Nalby goes through spouts of great play ever so often. I don't expect it to last to the AO:o

3. I agree with you. I don't think this loss will affect Roger's chances at TMC.

Billabong
11-02-2007, 01:29 AM
This is officially the worst day for Swiss tennis in a looooong time:o

Roger, how could you lose again to Nalby:sad: Was he distracted with Martina's controversy:eek:? He won't arrive at Shanghai with the same amount of confidence as last year, hopefully he'll be 100% focused and physically ready for that tournament:D GOOOOOO FEDDDDDDD:bounce:!!!

NYCtennisfan
11-02-2007, 02:26 AM
Good points here by Sjengster and EW. Federer's BH has been getting worse after the departure of Roche. When you combine that with the fact that his FH isn't automatic anymore, he's going to have a difficult time beating Fat Dave when the Argentine's game is on.

Take a look at the USO match these two played. It was the first match that the two played after a significant improvement in Fed's BH. Fed surprised Nalbandian by driving the ball deep DTL when Nalbandian tried to pin him in the BH corner. He then got a relatively short FH CC reply which Fed proceeded to attack DTL to Nalbandian's FH. Combine all this with the fact that Nalbandian's serve has improved dramatically and you've got some major problems. This isn't Canas here. Fed can blow him off of the court at any time. This is a guy who reads Federer's game better than anyone else on tour, knows where Fed is serving, knows where Fed is going with the FH, etc. Nalbandian's acute FH angles have always caused Fed fits, but now even moreso with his not so stellar movement in that direction. Honestly, I hope Nalbandian is on the other side of the draw in Australia.

Minnie
11-02-2007, 02:34 AM
NYC ,,, you said everything I have thought for a while. I thought the timing of the breakup with Roche was a tad premature as I felt he gave a lot of confidence to Roger with his b/h and volleying. I absolutely agree with your points in your 2nd para ... only thing I'd add is that I'm so relieved that Nalby hasn't qualified for Shanghai either!!

NYCtennisfan
11-02-2007, 02:38 AM
Actually, even when Fed had won 8 of 9 against Nalbandian, I always looked for Nalbandian's name in the draw hoping that he would be on the other side.

One last note: with Nalbandian's improved serve, Federer will have to take more chances on attacking the 2nd serves that he gets. He's losing the rallies, so he he needs to attack the 2nd serve and set the point up that way the way Blake did at the TMC last year. Nalbandian didn't even serve that well % wise today and gave Fed fits.

mangoes
11-02-2007, 02:42 AM
Has Federer mentioned anything more about getting a new coach in the near future? I think the time has come.

Nalby's serve has indeed improved. Once upon a time, players could depend on being able to break Nalby back. Not so these days.