St Petersburg R2 : D.Tursunov def. B.Pashanski 4:6 6:3 6:4 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

St Petersburg R2 : D.Tursunov def. B.Pashanski 4:6 6:3 6:4

Jelena_78
10-24-2007, 06:18 PM
Congrats Dima!:worship:

Pasha,good to see you're not only a good claycourt player anymore.:yeah:

Jaap
10-24-2007, 06:23 PM
The thread starter obviously believes this match was straight.

s.m.
10-24-2007, 06:23 PM
Congrats Dima!:worship:

Pasha,good to see you're not only a good claycourt player anymore.:yeah:


now heīs also a world known match fixer :worship:

Bascule
10-24-2007, 06:27 PM
now heīs also a world known match fixer :worship:

Did I miss somthing?!

Anyway bad day for serbian tennis. Janko lost twice today.

scarecrows
10-24-2007, 06:28 PM
great match, 2 players fighting till the last breath
shame that 1 had to lose

Tommy fan
10-24-2007, 06:29 PM
Congrats Dima..
But.. was that match fixed???

RickDaStick
10-24-2007, 06:30 PM
What a clown this Tursunov. Losing a set indoors to a racist mug like boris

Horatio Caine
10-24-2007, 06:31 PM
great match, 2 players fighting till the last breath
shame that 1 had to lose

:lol:

Horatio Caine
10-24-2007, 06:32 PM
Wishing injuries, or worse, on a player is wrong, but I hope Pashanski gets what should come to him. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke either.

Labamba
10-24-2007, 06:34 PM
another match to be added to the fixed list :rolleyes:

funny to watch how the fix unfolded...Pasha played well until 6-4 2-0, hitting nicely from the baseline, forcing Dimi into errors...then came the timely doublefaults, ridiculous netrushes at breakpoints, overhit returns, etc.

Jelena_78
10-24-2007, 06:38 PM
The thread starter obviously believes this match was straight.


You don't know what the thread starter believes...

That was not only comment about the match,but his progress in general...
I watched the match,I'm not blind or anything.
The one who posted after the thread starter is obviously alergic to red,blue and white:rolleyes: ,and just can't restrain from commenting in a sarcastic way.

Labamba
10-24-2007, 06:39 PM
now heīs also a world known match fixer :worship:

fixer and a racist, great guy this Boris :worship:

Deboogle!.
10-24-2007, 06:40 PM
How are people so sure this was a fix? I mean, in this case it doesn't make sense because Dmitry should've been the huge favorite. Before the match, how would gamblers know that Pashanski could win the first set or be in any kind of winning position? I mean most people would have picked Dmitry to win this in straight sets normally, no? It just doesn't make sense to me in this case, can someone explain? Also man, if so, it takes one really ballsy person to do it right now when all the investigations are going on.

Jaap
10-24-2007, 06:41 PM
You don't know what the thread starter believes...

That was not only comment about the match,but his progress in general...
I watched the match,I'm not blind or anything.
The one who posted after the thread starter is obviously alergic to red,blue and white flag:rolleyes: ,and just can't restrain from commenting in a sarcastic way.

WTF are you talking about?

G4.
10-24-2007, 06:43 PM
How are people so sure this was a fix? I mean, in this case it doesn't make sense because Dmitry should've been the huge favorite. Before the match, how would gamblers know that Pashanski could win the first set or be in any kind of winning position? I mean most people would have picked Dmitry to win this in straight sets normally, no? It just doesn't make sense to me in this case, can someone explain? Also man, if so, it takes one really ballsy person to do it right now when all the investigations are going on.

i think it's because the odds didnt move after turso lost the first set , but i didnt follow the match so cant i really tell

s.m.
10-24-2007, 06:43 PM
funny to watch how the fix unfolded...Pasha played well until 6-4 2-0, hitting nicely from the baseline, forcing Dimi into errors...then came the timely doublefaults, ridiculous netrushes at breakpoints, overhit returns, etc.


2nd set, 8th game,1st point
pashanski plays serve and volley
after that everything started to make sense

RickDaStick
10-24-2007, 06:43 PM
How are people so sure this was a fix? I mean, in this case it doesn't make sense because Dmitry should've been the huge favorite. Before the match, how would gamblers know that Pashanski could win the first set or be in any kind of winning position? I mean most people would have picked Dmitry to win this in straight sets normally, no? It just doesn't make sense to me in this case, can someone explain? Also man, if so, it takes one really ballsy person to do it right now when all the investigations are going on.

at 64 20 odds for 5.5 for Pashanski

s.m.
10-24-2007, 06:44 PM
You don't know what the thread starter believes...

That was not only comment about the match,but his progress in general...
I watched the match,I'm not blind or anything.
The one who posted after the thread starter is obviously alergic to red,blue and white:rolleyes: ,and just can't restrain from commenting in a sarcastic way.

yes, i am claiming that the match was fixed because i hate serbians, not because betfair had odds 5.6 on pashanski when he led 6-4, 2-0

p.s.
i made money on this match so thank you boris

Jaap
10-24-2007, 06:44 PM
How are people so sure this was a fix? I mean, in this case it doesn't make sense because Dmitry should've been the huge favorite. Before the match, how would gamblers know that Pashanski could win the first set or be in any kind of winning position? I mean most people would have picked Dmitry to win this in straight sets normally, no? It just doesn't make sense to me in this case, can someone explain? Also man, if so, it takes one really ballsy person to do it right now when all the investigations are going on.

Tursunov odds pre match were 1.14. After he lost a set and was down a break in the 2nd set, his odds peaked at 1.2. If this match was straight, Turso's odds at this point would have been 4.0+. Who would in there right mind throw big 5 figure sums down at 1.2 on a player at a set and a break down without knowing what was going on?

Horatio Caine
10-24-2007, 06:46 PM
How are people so sure this was a fix? I mean, in this case it doesn't make sense because Dmitry should've been the huge favorite. Before the match, how would gamblers know that Pashanski could win the first set or be in any kind of winning position? I mean most people would have picked Dmitry to win this in straight sets normally, no? It just doesn't make sense to me in this case, can someone explain? Also man, if so, it takes one really ballsy person to do it right now when all the investigations are going on.

It was definitely fixed, Deb...this is coming from a poster who doesn't go around screaming "fix" after any slightly weird scoreline, or anything.

I only checked the scoreboard at 4/6 0/2, but it was immediately apparent, to me, that something was wrong...Tursunov's price had hardly moved, and Pashanski, statistically at least, was on his way to victory at that point.

Others who watched it would be better placed to comment.

Bascule
10-24-2007, 06:47 PM
What a clown this Tursunov. Losing a set indoors to a racist mug like boris

Do you (two croat people on this thread) know somthing about him that I don't know? Tell me, please. And why is he rasist?

RickDaStick
10-24-2007, 06:49 PM
Do you (two croat people on this thread) know somthing about him that I don't know? Tell me, please. And why is he rasist?

Yes Pashanski is a racist idiot. I could care less that he is Serb i would say the same for anyone who made comments like his. I dont feel like looking for it now but if you do a little search im sure you will find it:wavey:

s.m.
10-24-2007, 06:50 PM
Tursunov odds pre match were 1.14. After he lost a set and was down a break in the 2nd set, his odds peaked at 1.2. If this match was straight, Turso's odds at this point would have been 4.0+. Who would in there right mind throw big 5 figure sums down at 1.2 on a player at a set and a break down without knowing what was going on?

absolutely
baw had @5 on dima at that moment :devil:

s.m.
10-24-2007, 06:51 PM
Do you (two croat people on this thread) know somthing about him that I don't know? Tell me, please. And why is he rasist?

i didnīt say he was a racist
iīve said that heīs a world known fixer:wavey:

Deboogle!.
10-24-2007, 06:53 PM
Tursunov odds pre match were 1.14. After he lost a set and was down a break in the 2nd set, his odds peaked at 1.2. If this match was straight, Turso's odds at this point would have been 4.0+. Who would in there right mind throw big 5 figure sums down at 1.2 on a player at a set and a break down without knowing what was going on?OK, this part i get. But a match being fixed has to happen BEFORE the match, right? That's the part I'm having trouble with. or is it that they just say to Pashanski, IF you DO get in a winning position, then you have to throw it. My point is, it doesn't take into account the fact that Dmitry is a better player and could theoretically have come out playing great and won 6-2 6-2. Then, Pashanski could not have fixed the match?

It was definitely fixed, Deb...this is coming from a poster who doesn't go around screaming "fix" after any slightly weird scoreline, or anything.

I only checked the scoreboard at 4/6 0/2, but it was immediately apparent, to me, that something was wrong...Tursunov's price had hardly moved, and Pashanski, statistically at least, was on his way to victory at that point.

Others who watched it would be better placed to comment.I'm not saying it wasn't fixed, I'm just trying to understand how it would work in this particular situation. I guess one must accept that people as a whole would not assume that a better player would be able to come back from a set and a break down? I mean for me, common sense would dictate that on carpet, Dima would be able to come back from a set and a break on his own without a fix. I'm just having a hard time with the logic in this particular situation i guess. thanks for explaining both of you :)

Jaap
10-24-2007, 06:56 PM
OK, this part i get. But a match being fixed has to happen BEFORE the match, right? That's the part I'm having trouble with. or is it that they just say to Pashanski, IF you DO get in a winning position, then you have to throw it. My point is, it doesn't take into account the fact that Dmitry is a better player and could theoretically have come out playing great and won 6-2 6-2. Then, Pashanski could not have fixed the match?

I'm not saying it wasn't fixed, I'm just trying to understand how it would work in this particular situation.

If Turso just wins 6-3, 6-4, then no one will take the big bets on Turs. Whereas by having him lose a set and then go a break down, it allows for their big 5 figure bets to be matched.

Deboogle!.
10-24-2007, 06:57 PM
If Turso just wins 6-3, 6-4, then no one will take the big bets on Turs. Whereas by having him lose a set and then go a break down, it allows for their big 5 figure bets to be matched.ok so what's happening is what i described in my last post - pashanski agrees to throw the match IF he gets into a winning position? If not, it doesn't matter? If the result is 4-6 6-3 6-4 or just 6-3 6-2, the same fixing discussion has gone on beforehand between Pashanski and whoever he's fixing with, yes? because at the point they have to fix before the match, they don't know what will actually end up happening.

Jelena_78
10-24-2007, 07:01 PM
yes, i am claiming that the match was fixed because i hate serbians, not because betfair had odds 5.6 on pashanski when he led 6-4, 2-0

p.s.
i made money on this match so thank you boris

Who mentioned you?
I started the thread and the wise guy immediatelly knows my 'profile',and can read my mind,based on...what? I wouldn't think that, if it hasn't happened before...

And next time,let me know,so I could take some money,too.;)

Bascule
10-24-2007, 07:02 PM
It was definitely fixed, Deb...this is coming from a poster who doesn't go around screaming "fix" after any slightly weird scoreline, or anything.

I only checked the scoreboard at 4/6 0/2, but it was immediately apparent, to me, that something was wrong...Tursunov's price had hardly moved, and Pashanski, statistically at least, was on his way to victory at that point.

Others who watched it would be better placed to comment.

Is that the prove of fixing the match?!
It happens all the time in tennis.

Jaap
10-24-2007, 07:03 PM
ok so what's happening is what i described in my last post - pashanski agrees to throw the match IF he gets into a winning position? If not, it doesn't matter? If the result is 4-6 6-3 6-4 or just 6-3 6-2, the same fixing discussion has gone on beforehand between Pashanski and whoever he's fixing with, yes? because at the point they have to fix before the match, they don't know what will actually end up happening.

I reckon both players were involved. I've seen plenty of fixed matches and it always follows the same pattern - player A goes a set and break up, his odds hardly move from the starting price, big chunks of money comes in for player B, player B wins the next two sets.

LocoPorElTenis
10-24-2007, 07:04 PM
ok so what's happening is what i described in my last post - pashanski agrees to throw the match IF he gets into a winning position? If not, it doesn't matter? If the result is 4-6 6-3 6-4 or just 6-3 6-2, the same fixing discussion has gone on beforehand between Pashanski and whoever he's fixing with, yes? because at the point they have to fix before the match, they don't know what will actually end up happening.

It is possible that Dima was also aware of the fixing scheme and the whole match was rigged. I have no opinion on this case, since I don't bet and didn't see the match, just posting a hypothesis for what happened.

Jelena_78
10-24-2007, 07:06 PM
WTF are you talking about?
WTH were you talking about?

Bobby
10-24-2007, 07:14 PM
Is that the prove of fixing the match?!
It happens all the time in tennis.

You're missing the point. Yes, players do come back from 46 02. That's for sure. But if a player has lost the first set and is a break down in the second set, his odds should be much much higher than 1,2. Apparently there were people who knew that Pashanski will not win this match.

Shit! This match fixing is ruining the game. No more bets for me.

Bilbo
10-24-2007, 07:34 PM
the fix is in

Bascule
10-24-2007, 07:38 PM
You're missing the point. Yes, players do come back from 46 02. That's for sure. But if a player has lost the first set and is a break down in the second set, his odds should be much much higher than 1,2. Apparently there were people who knew that Pashanski will not win this match.

Shit! This match fixing is ruining the game. No more bets for me.

OK, I got it. Thanks. It's because I never bet. Hope it'll be investigated. None of us likes those things.

*Ljubica*
10-24-2007, 07:47 PM
It is possible that Dima was also aware of the fixing scheme and the whole match was rigged. I have no opinion on this case, since I don't bet and didn't see the match, just posting a hypothesis for what happened.

And to me it is equally possible that the higher ranked player came through to win as expected with no scandal involved at all, - just a case that after starting badly and going a set and a break down, Dmitry suddenly woke up to the fact he ought to focus more and play better, and came though because he is the better player. And yes - I am a fan of Dmitry, but I am not blind to his (many) faults either. I just don't believe fixing matches is one of them - after all, only a couple of weeks ago he came out and admitted he had been approached to fix a match and refused, - so why would he be stupid enough to do it now with the tennis world focussed on the issue? Seems too many people on here attack those who can't answer back by slandering them with names like "fixer" and "doper scum" :rolleyes: when they honestly have no clue what really goes on behind the scenes.

Jaap
10-24-2007, 08:35 PM
You would be very naive to believe this match wasn't fixed IMO.

When a punter like Jez who usually dimisses the fix rumours, says its a fix, then there must be something up. I'm sure the other gamblers would back it up as well.

Horatio Caine
10-24-2007, 09:08 PM
You would be very naive to believe this match wasn't fixed IMO.

When a punter like Jez who usually dimisses the fix rumours, says its a fix, then there must be something up. I'm sure the other gamblers would back it up as well.

I think you're mis-reading Rosie's post, mate...I interpret it as Rosie defending Tursunov against any wrongdoing (and I don't believe he had anything to do with it, either). Besides, he was, according to sources, struggling with a back injury, which would certainly explain his poor serving.

I stand by what I said, initially, though - something was very wrong with that match. Sure, punters can be confident that a player of Dima's class can come back from a set and a break down (I'm confident in a number of cases), but the amounts of money being matched on such an outcome (and at such low odds) were incredible...just not ordinary betting patterns when compared to most other matches. Someone (probably plural) knew that there was no way in hell Pashanski was going to win.

And yes, I don't make a habit of saying this. :lol:

ReturnWinner
10-24-2007, 09:30 PM
Dimitry barely beating Pashasnki 64 in the third on a fast indoor carpet

:o this should be his worst win ever :lol:,at least it's not was his

worst defeat ever :tape:

Jaap
10-24-2007, 09:36 PM
Jez, I believe both Dima and Pashanski were involved in the fix. Can't see Dima going down 6-4 2-0 to Boris otherwise.

bjurra
10-24-2007, 10:06 PM
And to me it is equally possible that the higher ranked player came through to win as expected with no scandal involved at all, - just a case that after starting badly and going a set and a break down, Dmitry suddenly woke up to the fact he ought to focus more and play better, and came though because he is the better player. And yes - I am a fan of Dmitry, but I am not blind to his (many) faults either. I just don't believe fixing matches is one of them - after all, only a couple of weeks ago he came out and admitted he had been approached to fix a match and refused, - so why would he be stupid enough to do it now with the tennis world focussed on the issue? Seems too many people on here attack those who can't answer back by slandering them with names like "fixer" and "doper scum" :rolleyes: when they honestly have no clue what really goes on behind the scenes.

You should probaby read the entite thread again and take ALL facts into account.

bjurra
10-24-2007, 10:10 PM
You don't know what the thread starter believes...

That was not only comment about the match,but his progress in general...
I watched the match,I'm not blind or anything.
The one who posted after the thread starter is obviously alergic to red,blue and white:rolleyes: ,and just can't restrain from commenting in a sarcastic way.

You don't have to be blind to watch a match without realizing it is fixed. I saw Tsonga - Kohlschreiber and at 7-5 6-6, I could have sworn it was a fair fight - had it not been that I checked the Betfair market on my phone.

What surprises me is that players don't realize how easy it is for us tennis punters to detect their fixed matches. Davydenko and Volandri already have a bad rep but Tursunov and Kohlschreiber have a lot to lose.

dylan24
10-24-2007, 10:21 PM
this is what the players think of the atp. atp actively talking about
match fixing and tursunov and pashanski do it anyways...
no surprise this happens in corrupt russia w/ the russian mob involved.
fixing will continue forever because atp isn't going to do jack shit.
oh they will set up a committee that will do nothing..

dylan24
10-24-2007, 10:29 PM
this is what the players think of the atp. atp actively talking about
match fixing and tursunov and pashanski do it anyways...
no surprise this happens in corrupt russia w/ the russian mob involved.
fixing will continue forever because atp isn't going to do jack shit.
oh they will set up a committee that will do nothing..

musefanatic
10-24-2007, 10:46 PM
Nice one Dima :)

rocketassist
10-24-2007, 11:13 PM
Often the winner isn't part of the scandal, just the loser, a la Hewitt-Tipsarevic, Arthurs-Volandri.

But for sure a fix and Tursunov will have to be better when he comes up against most likely Muzza.

adee-gee
10-24-2007, 11:19 PM
I wasn't following this, but if it's true that Tursunov was 1.2 when trailing 4-6 0-2 and Pashanski was 5.5 it's pretty damn dodgy :spit:

You'd have to be either extremely thick or short of cash to fix amatch with the current stuff going on. But it's pretty hard to argue against, Tursunov should've been at least 3 or 4 if trailing by a set and a break on a quick indoor court.

Merton
10-24-2007, 11:22 PM
It is good to see Pashanski losing, as for being a fix I am not sure, Dima had obvious back problems, it could be a controlled tank by Pashanski if he was aware of Dima's condition before the match.

DhammaTiger
10-24-2007, 11:40 PM
yes, i am claiming that the match was fixed because i hate serbians, not because betfair had odds 5.6 on pashanski when he led 6-4, 2-0

p.s.
i made money on this match so thank you boris

How can you hate a whole nation? your attitude makes me wonder what the world is coming to. I for one cannot bring myself to hate any individual let alone a whole nation. It's so sad to see this attitude. I don't care if Pashanski is a racist or not, but I cannot bring myself to understand this hatred of a whole nation because one's country was at war with the other country. It's so sad.
I am sure people will attack me here for this post but I will not change my opinion.
"Through hatred, hatreds are never appeased; through non-hatreds are hatreds always appeased- and this is a law eternal"- Gautama the Buddha.

Pigpen Stinks
10-25-2007, 04:09 AM
Jez, I believe both Dima and Pashanski were involved in the fix. Can't see Dima going down 6-4 2-0 to Boris otherwise.

Can't see Roger dropping a set to Berrer. That match must have been fixed. Roger needs to be booted from the ATP tour.

Action Jackson
10-25-2007, 05:18 AM
at 64 20 odds for 5.5 for Pashanski

This match was legit, it was a computer malfunction at the time.

Action Jackson
10-25-2007, 05:23 AM
Do you (two croat people on this thread) know somthing about him that I don't know? Tell me, please. And why is he rasist?


http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=4404116&postcount=5

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=89790&highlight=Pashanskis

maxxo
10-25-2007, 09:25 AM
How can you hate a whole nation? your attitude makes me wonder what the world is coming to. I for one cannot bring myself to hate any individual let alone a whole nation. It's so sad to see this attitude. I don't care if Pashanski is a racist or not, but I cannot bring myself to understand this hatred of a whole nation because one's country was at war with the other country. It's so sad.
I am sure people will attack me here for this post but I will not change my opinion.
"Through hatred, hatreds are never appeased; through non-hatreds are hatreds always appeased- and this is a law eternal"- Gautama the Buddha.
:haha:
he was being sarcastic

DhammaTiger
10-25-2007, 09:39 AM
:haha:
he was being sarcastic

If he was sarcastic or not hatred is not acceptable to me. It maybe acceptable to you or others but for me it's not and will never be. To say unacceptable things and then say it was sarcasm is just as unacceptable as if it was said with a straight face. Don't you know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? Hatred is unwholesome and a poison, it destroys the hater and creates more hatred.

maxxo
10-25-2007, 09:58 AM
If he was sarcastic or not hatred is not acceptable to me. It maybe acceptable to you or others but for me it's not and will never be. To say unacceptable things and then say it was sarcasm is just as unacceptable as if it was said with a straight face. Don't you know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? Hatred is unwholesome and a poison, it destroys the hater and creates more hatred.


so we should let that fixed match slide and dream of a better
world full of love?
he was just trying to make a point about the suospicious betting
patterns concerning that match. this has noting to do with
nationality or with hatred.

go back to your bong smoking dreams of a perfect world :wavey:

SwiSha
10-25-2007, 10:10 AM
great stuff

bjurra
10-25-2007, 10:21 AM
If he was sarcastic or not hatred is not acceptable to me. It maybe acceptable to you or others but for me it's not and will never be. To say unacceptable things and then say it was sarcasm is just as unacceptable as if it was said with a straight face. Don't you know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? Hatred is unwholesome and a poison, it destroys the hater and creates more hatred.

Look up "sarcastic" in a dictionary and stop pestering us with your mother Theresa crap. Thanks.

bjurra
10-25-2007, 10:26 AM
Can't see Roger dropping a set to Berrer. That match must have been fixed. Roger needs to be booted from the ATP tour.

After the first set, Berrer was 50-1 to win the second set...

*Ljubica*
10-25-2007, 10:34 AM
You should probaby read the entite thread again and take ALL facts into account.

I have read this thread perfectly well thank you. And maybe you and some of the other gamblers here should read enough to take all the facts into consideration too. For example, the fact there was evidently a glitch in the betting scoreboard that people were basing most of their assumptions on here yesterday. I am far from niaive, and I know betting scams and fixing exist in every sport, but so many people here on MTF are so quick to spout rubbish without thinking first, or at least being in possession of all the facts. According to some people, every match is fixed and almost every player is suss in some way :rolleyes:

A_Skywalker
10-25-2007, 10:40 AM
http://www.endemol.co.za/UploadedImages/LetsFixIt(1).jpg

s.m.
10-25-2007, 12:47 PM
How can you hate a whole nation? your attitude makes me wonder what the world is coming to. I for one cannot bring myself to hate any individual let alone a whole nation. It's so sad to see this attitude. I don't care if Pashanski is a racist or not, but I cannot bring myself to understand this hatred of a whole nation because one's country was at war with the other country. It's so sad.
I am sure people will attack me here for this post but I will not change my opinion.
"Through hatred, hatreds are never appeased; through non-hatreds are hatreds always appeased- and this is a law eternal"- Gautama the Buddha.

i want the same pills you are taking:worship:

bjurra
10-25-2007, 12:59 PM
I have read this thread perfectly well thank you. And maybe you and some of the other gamblers here should read enough to take all the facts into consideration too. For example, the fact there was evidently a glitch in the betting scoreboard that people were basing most of their assumptions on here yesterday. I am far from niaive, and I know betting scams and fixing exist in every sport, but so many people here on MTF are so quick to spout rubbish without thinking first, or at least being in possession of all the facts. According to some people, every match is fixed and almost every player is suss in some way :rolleyes:

Nobody here claims every match is fixed. In fact, the only matches discussed here lately in terms of match fixing are those that were 99% fixed.

The patterns cannot be explained by a glitch in the scoreboard. Anyone who knows a little bit about tennis betting can confirm that.

ezekiel
10-25-2007, 01:02 PM
i think it's because the odds didnt move after turso lost the first set , but i didnt follow the match so cant i really tell

that makes sense but it only becomes suspicious if much inordinate amount of cash is involved because these 2 guys are not on the same level right now

ezekiel
10-25-2007, 01:05 PM
This match was legit, it was a computer malfunction at the time.


well that clears it I guess but too late for the lynch mob

ezekiel
10-25-2007, 01:12 PM
Yes Pashanski is a racist idiot. I could care less that he is Serb i would say the same for anyone who made comments like his. I dont feel like looking for it now but if you do a little search im sure you will find it:wavey:

If I am not confusing you with someone else and I doubt it , you had links to "Thompson" so you definitelly have some issues with Serbs and racism and you seem to be wrong about this issue too .

RickDaStick
10-25-2007, 01:14 PM
If I am not confusing you with someone else and I doubt it , you had links to "Thompson" so you definitelly have some issues with Serbs and racism and you seem to be wrong about this issue too .


I think you are confusing me with someone else because I have no idea what "Thompson" means anyways you would have to be a complete moron to defend Pashanski after those comments he made

ezekiel
10-25-2007, 01:28 PM
How can you hate a whole nation? your attitude makes me wonder what the world is coming to. I for one cannot bring myself to hate any individual let alone a whole nation. It's so sad to see this attitude. I don't care if Pashanski is a racist or not, but I cannot bring myself to understand this hatred of a whole nation because one's country was at war with the other country. It's so sad.
I am sure people will attack me here for this post but I will not change my opinion.
"Through hatred, hatreds are never appeased; through non-hatreds are hatreds always appeased- and this is a law eternal"- Gautama the Buddha.


Let me put it this way as a born Serb, Cros overrate themselves always and denigrate Serbs always , that's how media over there works with extreme bitterness and delusion and the types of people in power. There is this clip I found on youtube after serbian entry won eurovision that really illustrated this. This puppet is probably too young so he proudly shows it publicly

ezekiel
10-25-2007, 01:35 PM
I think you are confusing me with someone else because I have no idea what "Thompson" means anyways you would have to be a complete moron to defend Pashanski after those comments he made


There is many , too many Ljubicic fans with that name or variation so I can't be sure and of course originality in this case would help. Anyway, I find it hard to believe you don't know who "Thompson" is , granted I didn't know awhile ago either but he is by far the most popular act in cro .

As for Pashanski's comment's , I condemn(ed) his comment but granted I am not calling him racist based on what he said somewhere in obscure circumstances. If he shows it consistently and if he is truelly racist he will , then it will become much clearer

s.m.
10-25-2007, 01:53 PM
If he was sarcastic or not hatred is not acceptable to me.

I don't care if Pashanski is a racist or not


and after stoned gandhi wannabe, comes the rant from slobo wannabe
this topic keeps getting better and better

LocoPorElTenis
10-25-2007, 01:59 PM
Why don't you create a thread in non-tennis where Croats and Serbs can argue all you want instead of hijacking any tennis thread where a Croat or Serb player is involved? :rolleyes:

s.m.
10-25-2007, 02:03 PM
Why don't you create a thread in non-tennis where Croats and Serbs can argue all you want instead of hijacking any tennis thread where a Croat or Serb player is involved? :rolleyes:

i see one canadian hijacking
is that ok ?
i didn´t start argument about nations, i started the argument about fixed match
it´s not my fault that some people are dumb and other malicous
that´s their problem

AnnaK_4ever
10-25-2007, 04:17 PM
Tursunov after the match:

The tennis I showed today was disgusting but I was fighting for every point and managed to win. I felt sick all day long and barely made myself get up in the morning. Don't know, maybe it's weather or something else but players I've talked to also don't feel good...
I don't wanna blame the court surface but none of us has played on this type of surface this season. It was very difficult to get used to it and the next week we'll have to switch back to Madrid-like surface at Paris Masters...
Big-sized players are at disadvantage on St.Petersburg's carpet. For example, Ancic clearly struggles playing on it. And you have to be very cautious on the court, it's rather easy to twist your ankle on this surface.

http://www.sports.ru/tennis/3588829.html
(in Russian)

ezekiel
10-25-2007, 04:18 PM
i see one canadian hijacking
is that ok ?
i didnīt start argument about nations, i started the argument about fixed match
itīs not my fault that some people are dumb and other malicous
thatīs their problem

I am Serbian Canadian, the one half you admit to hate . So with that in mind and you may be too young but you had no argument just an assertion based on ignorance and hate. Anyway , I think this case is closed for good

Bobby
10-25-2007, 07:58 PM
Tursunov after the match:

The tennis I showed today was disgusting but I was fighting for every point and managed to win. I felt sick all day long and barely made myself get up in the morning. Don't know, maybe it's weather or something else but players I've talked to also don't feel good...
I don't wanna blame the court surface but none of us has played on this type of surface this season. It was very difficult to get used to it and the next week we'll have to switch back to Madrid-like surface at Paris Masters...
Big-sized players are at disadvantage on St.Petersburg's carpet. For example, Ancic clearly struggles playing on it. And you have to be very cautious on the court, it's rather easy to twist your ankle on this surface.

http://www.sports.ru/tennis/3588829.html
(in Russian)

So the weather is bad, he's not feeling well, the surface is strange and dangerous and difficult for the big guys.

Well, Tursunov. Pick some other tournament next year, if it's really that bad over there!

Action Jackson
10-26-2007, 03:15 AM
Why don't you create a thread in non-tennis where Croats and Serbs can argue all you want instead of hijacking any tennis thread where a Croat or Serb player is involved? :rolleyes:

There is one in non-tennis.