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Pico Monaco barely beats De Chaunac (ranked around 500)

LocoPorElTenis
10-23-2007, 02:33 PM
It was 6-7(11) 6-3 7-6(3) for Pico. A win is a win, but a bit worrying considering De Chaunac is ranked around 500 and plays mostly futures :help:

Fergie
10-23-2007, 02:43 PM
Pico :help:

JMG
10-23-2007, 02:50 PM
It was 6-7(11) 6-3 7-6(3) for Pico. A win is a win, but a bit worrying considering De Chaunac is ranked around 500 and plays mostly futures :help:

:bs: 6 of his last 22 tournaments were Futures, so how is that "mostly Futures"?

LocoPorElTenis
10-23-2007, 02:53 PM
:bs: 6 of his last 22 tournaments were Futures, so how is that "mostly Futures"?


This year he's played 16 Futures matches and 11 Challenger matches. This is his first ATP match of the year. So yes, currently he plays mostly Futures and the :bs: smilie is unwarranted.

JMG
10-23-2007, 04:51 PM
This year he's played 16 Futures matches and 11 Challenger matches. This is his first ATP match of the year. So yes, currently he plays mostly Futures and the :bs: smilie is unwarranted.

That's just a cheap try to get out of it. Just admit that you were wrong.

rocketassist
10-23-2007, 05:24 PM
De Chaunac did have a little run at one time where he got into the slams and bigger tournaments so on a good day he could make a decent player work.

Snowwy
10-23-2007, 06:52 PM
De Chaunac did beat Coria in Marseille a few years ago when Coria was ranked 5th

He also has wins over:

Radek Stepanek 67 76 61
Frank Dancevic 46 64 62
Marcos Baghdatis 16 76 64
Michael Chang 46 46 64 62 64
Nikolay Davydenko 06 62 76

Andre♥
10-23-2007, 07:15 PM
Nikolay Davydenko 06 62 76

:haha:

Allegretto
10-23-2007, 07:35 PM
De Chaunac did beat Coria in Marseille a few years ago when Coria was ranked 5th

He also has wins over:

Radek Stepanek 67 76 61
Frank Dancevic 46 64 62
Marcos Baghdatis 16 76 64
Michael Chang 46 46 64 62 64
Nikolay Davydenko 06 62 76
Crikey, he's a slow starter, isn't he? :lol:

CooCooCachoo
10-23-2007, 07:35 PM
This year he's played 16 Futures matches and 11 Challenger matches. This is his first ATP match of the year. So yes, currently he plays mostly Futures and the :bs: smilie is unwarranted.

No, the :bs: smilie is very much warranted.

Sébastien is a Challenger-level player. The fact that he had to play Futures was because his ranking collapsed after a very long period of injuries. Playing mostly Futures does not mean that you are a Futures player. Following that logic, Cañas would have been a Challenger player at the end of last year, simply because that was pretty much all he played in order to get his ranking back up.

GustavoM_Fan
10-23-2007, 07:39 PM
you are underrating De Chaunac...
at least Monaco did the job and beat him.. that is the most important :shrug:

ASP0315
10-24-2007, 03:19 AM
pico :help:

azza
10-24-2007, 05:20 AM
De Chaunac did beat Coria in Marseille a few years ago when Coria was ranked 5th

He also has wins over:

Radek Stepanek 67 76 61
Frank Dancevic 46 64 62
Marcos Baghdatis 16 76 64
Michael Chang 46 46 64 62 64
Nikolay Davydenko 06 62 76

Fixed.

TMJordan
10-24-2007, 05:31 AM
De Chaunac is definatly a lot better than his ranking.

Oh and clearly that Davydenko match was fixed, I would bet ezekiel's life on it.

LocoPorElTenis
10-24-2007, 08:09 AM
That's just a cheap try to get out of it. Just admit that you were wrong.

Huh? This year he's played mostly futures, that's what I said and it's factually correct (I didn't specify "this year" but it seems obvious to me that what he did a few years ago is not very relevant to yesterday's match). Yes, he's seen better times and yes, he's had a few good wins, and yes, he USED TO play mostly challengers. The fact remains that lately (2007) he plays mostly futures matches and is ranked below 500, which is a typical futures ranking. By the way, he didn't even win any of those futures and loses in the first round of many of the challengers he plays :help:

LocoPorElTenis
10-24-2007, 08:19 AM
No, the :bs: smilie is very much warranted.

Sébastien is a Challenger-level player. The fact that he had to play Futures was because his ranking collapsed after a very long period of injuries. Playing mostly Futures does not mean that you are a Futures player. Following that logic, Cañas would have been a Challenger player at the end of last year, simply because that was pretty much all he played in order to get his ranking back up.

I disagree (no need to call your post :bs: as you're doing with mine though). He USED TO be a challenger journeyman. He had injuries, he got older, and NOW he plays a mix of challengers and futures, but in the challengers he loses almost always in the early rounds, while in the futures he is more competitive (although he hasn't even made a futures final this year). He's not getting his ranking up, unless a ranking of 500 at the end of the season is considered big progress (granted, he'll jump a lot of positions after qualifying for an ATP tournament).

Cañas, on the other hand, played challengers for just a few months, and was getting to the final of almost all of them (again, let me underline that De Chaunac best result at a Futures is a lone SF, though he did reach a Challenger QF earlier this month). Because Cañas did so well, he quickly moved to the ATP level. So both situations are dramatically different.

CooCooCachoo
10-24-2007, 03:59 PM
I disagree (no need to call your post :bs: as you're doing with mine though). He USED TO be a challenger journeyman. He had injuries, he got older, and NOW he plays a mix of challengers and futures, but in the challengers he loses almost always in the early rounds, while in the futures he is more competitive (although he hasn't even made a futures final this year). He's not getting his ranking up, unless a ranking of 500 at the end of the season is considered big progress (granted, he'll jump a lot of positions after qualifying for an ATP tournament).

Cañas, on the other hand, played challengers for just a few months, and was getting to the final of almost all of them (again, let me underline that De Chaunac best result at a Futures is a lone SF, though he did reach a Challenger QF earlier this month). Because Cañas did so well, he quickly moved to the ATP level. So both situations are dramatically different.

The fact that he played seven Challengers versus six Futures does not warrant the label Futures player, especially when you take his history into consideration. Moreover, he is still battling with injuries, indicated by the fact that he had to retire in one match and had to give a walkover to his opponent in another (both times in a Future, meaning your comments on him not doing that well in Futures carry less weight). On top of this, he has played the French Futures, which are more competitive than quite some Challengers. Since March, he hasn't had any bad losses (and even the losses to Pequery and Dupré were not that dreadful) to real Futures players.

The comparison between Cañas and De Chaunac still holds, despite a difference in results. You are calling De Chaunac a Futures player, simply because he played a few of them this year, and without any documentation of his career prior to 2007. If one were to judge Cañas in 2006, following your reasoning, one could do nothing other than calling him a Challenger player too. All I am saying is that you should look beyond the obvious when making disrespectful comments about a player.

ReturnWinner
10-24-2007, 04:09 PM
agree with COcocacho , De chaunac is a challenger player and i am sure

he is used to play in that kind of surfaces which have a pretty good speed, plus he was playing at home and Monaco does not play his best tennis on indoor carpet, hence the result.

LocoPorElTenis
10-24-2007, 04:16 PM
The fact that he played seven Challengers versus six Futures does not warrant the label Futures player


In the post I said he plays mostly futures. Key word is mostly - it implies that he doesn't play exclusively Futures. This year, over 50% of his matches have been at the futures level. Lately he's played mostly challengers to be fair, but not doing great at them.


The comparison between Cañas and De Chaunac still holds, despite a difference in results.


:spit:

Results for Willy in Challengers since he came back from the suspension: W, F, SF, R16, W, W, W.
Results for De Chaunac in Futures/Challengers in 2007: CH R32 (first round), CH R32, F SF, F QF, CH R16, F QF, CH R32, F R32, CH R16, CH R16, CH QF, CH R32.


You are calling De Chaunac a Futures player


I went for a little of effect in the title of the thread. Granted, he's not exclusively a futures player. But he has a futures ranking and has played many futures tournaments this year.


, simply because he played a few of them this year, and without any documentation of his career prior to 2007.


:spit:

I'm fully aware he was ranked in the top 200 for a long time. How is that relevant to the context in which I mentioned that he plays mostly futures - discussing Pico's win, which happened in October 2007, not when De Chaunac was doing well at challengers.


If one were to judge Cañas in 2006, following your reasoning, one could do nothing other than calling him a Challenger player too.


Cañas was WINNING Challengers, and in a very short period he was going far in ATP tournaments. De Chaunac, unfortunately, is NOT winning futures (far from it), and not doing well when he enters challengers. Hopefully the fact that he qualified for Lyon will be a boost for his career.


All I am saying is that you should look beyond the obvious when making disrespectful comments about a player.

What disrepectful comment? :confused: . Pico is ranked 20 and De Chaunac below 500. I just wanted to emphasize that despite the huge difference in raking the match was very close. Props to De Chaunac but Pico should beat him a lot easier than that.

Since some of you are so offended, I'll go ahead and change the title of the thread. It's really no big deal, but I don't understand why all the :bs: signs and taking it personal for what in the end is a matter of semantics.

scarecrows
10-24-2007, 04:39 PM
Loco, enough with the bullshit

Voo de Mar
10-24-2007, 05:32 PM
Nikolay Davydenko 06 62 76

7-5 not 7-6 in the third.

Fixed.

Not necessarily.
Davydenko was then No. 87... de Chaunac 180. BTW that match was played in my home country ;)