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Argentinian line calls....

myggen
06-02-2004, 04:50 PM
Why is it that these Argentinians have to question every single ball falling on the line that is in their disfavor? Everybody knows that Coria is horrible doing this all the time, but now I see the others following... Suarez, Nalbandian, you name them. Nalbandian didn't even trust Kuerten saying it was out today, one of the good, decent and honest guys on the tour, but had to have the ref check it. Can somebody enlighten me if I'm wrong, cause this is really getting very annoying....

Gonzalo81
06-02-2004, 04:55 PM
Come on, you are not right :mad: :mad: :mad:
Every player does that.....
open your eyes.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Good LUCK CORIA - NALBI - GASTON

undomiele
06-02-2004, 05:05 PM
If Nalbandian isn't going to verify the call in his own interest, then who will?

myggen
06-02-2004, 05:05 PM
I agree that players do this, but the Argentines are just NOTORIOUS doing this every single time!! At least to me it's like they want to get points that are not rightfully theirs, and I've just had enough.... I used to like several of the Argentines, but this just turns me against them. It probably won't hurt them to show some sportsmanship.

MagoRG
06-02-2004, 05:07 PM
Why is it that these Argentinians have to question every single ball falling on the line that is in their disfavor? Everybody knows that Coria is horrible doing this all the time, but now I see the others following... Suarez, Nalbandian, you name them. Nalbandian didn't even trust Kuerten saying it was out today, one of the good, decent and honest guys on the tour, but had to have the ref check it. Can somebody enlighten me if I'm wrong, cause this is really getting very annoying....

wath´s wrong with that? did you freaking see the match?? Nalbandian never complained about the calls......he just wanted to be sure. A few times he was right and the umpire had to change the call and when he saw the ball was in....he said so...like a perfect gentleman.....

Gonzalo81
06-02-2004, 05:10 PM
I agree that players do this, but the Argentines are just NOTORIOUS doing this every single time!! At least to me it's like they want to get points that are not rightfully theirs, and I've just had enough.... I used to like several of the Argentines, but this just turns me against them. It probably won't hurt them to show some sportsmanship.

Maybe you notice argies more....because, there more argies than other countries men......
jajajaja.....VAMOS ARGENTINA CARAJO!!!!!!!!!! :wavey: :wavey:

DO IT CORIA :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Carito_90
06-02-2004, 05:14 PM
Any player has the right of asking the umpire to check if the ball was in or out.

cause this is really getting very annoying....

Don't watch the matches then.

jazz_girl
06-02-2004, 05:14 PM
I agree Coria always does that, and it drives me crazy, but I don't think David does it on purpose, he gave 2 point to Guga when the line judges said it was out, so it's not fair.

little duck
06-02-2004, 05:34 PM
What a ridiculous thng to say about David! He never does that! Not only on this match, but in general.

Have you wathced the match Roger Federer - David Nalbandian in Australian Open 2004 quaterfinals. myygen? Line judge called Federer's ball out, on Nalbandians serve 0/0, and Nalbadian showed with his hand that it was in, and he gave a point to Federer!! Audiences awarded him with an aplause.

Nalbandian never plays tricks with line calls - I myself wouldn't be his supporter neither if he was doing that.

myggen
06-02-2004, 05:34 PM
I guess you're right about Nalbandian, and I always thought he was a decent guy. Probably seen too much of Coria on TV lately... :) It's not like I dislike Argentina, though. Got plenty of friends from there and I'm going to Buenos Aires next month so it's all good if we exclude the line calls...

Fostin
06-02-2004, 05:37 PM
I`m sorry but I don´t find it stupid check the balls in the line.... I would do the same... he has aaaall the right to do it... :) ;)

Fostin
06-02-2004, 05:39 PM
PLUS... CORIA IS A REAL SPORTMANSHIP... WATCH HIS MATCHES AND YOU`LL SEE ;)

jtipson
06-02-2004, 05:45 PM
Don't get started on Coria and sportsmanship, you'll regret it...

Fostin
06-02-2004, 05:52 PM
LOL, I know, but It`s the truth even though lots in here hates him just coz he wins... and I understand them coz It happened to me with the williamses... NOW I LOVE THEM ;) :p

myggen
06-02-2004, 05:52 PM
PLUS... CORIA IS A REAL SPORTMANSHIP... WATCH HIS MATCHES AND YOU`LL SEE ;)

Sportsmanship consists of fairness, good attitude, good behavior, respect of others... Do you really think this is what Coria stand for?

Fostin
06-02-2004, 05:58 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/anym/teeth.gif IF HE HAS TO GIVE A POINT TO HIS OPPONENT HE WILL DO IT... ;) and HE has a good attitude in the court when he do it... I`ve never seen him disrespecting anybody...

Neely
06-02-2004, 05:59 PM
well, I know that Coria can be sometimes really annoying, especially if his game is not working and he has to look for other things to distract from his game. I'm just thinking of some of his matches in Hamburg (against Horna was a perfect example, I remember) and that was really ridiculous from time to time. He even came to the net and looked at marks that have been OUT clearly visible from the TV screen without slow motion.
But, on the other hand, I have seen him also so many times correcting calls against his favor, so I think he is not that bad and quite fair.

Just take his match against Moyá yesterday? What did Coria do? nothing at all!

What did Nalbandian do? Yeah, maybe he questioned one or two calls in the whole match, but that's not much and more importantly he doubted calls that have been really close and so it's his good right to let do this.
Anyway, I thought while watching this match that Nalbandian and Kuerten even hardly needed the umpire. Ofen, they corrected most of the calls on their own and agreed with each other before the umpire even had the chance to check the mark.

And what did Gaudio do? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, maybe the chair umpire checked two or three marks the whole match and I think only one was on demand by Gaudio.

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overall, I would say that saying "players X from country Y does something bad" is very biased because there are 3 Argentines among the last 4.

If there would be three Germans in the semis, people would attack Kiefer, Schüttler and Haas.

So saying that only Argentines argue these line calls is perfectly biased because you hardly see any players from other countries. ;)

Fostin
06-02-2004, 06:02 PM
I think It would be cooler if he doesnt look at the marks and concentrate in the next point. BUT He is in all his right to do it...

fco253
06-02-2004, 07:30 PM
About the other argentines, I think the judgemente is total BS, they are all very correct (Zabaleta is one of the most respected by other players in all tour);
David and Guga could have played without an umpire, they both awarded calls that were originally in their favour... Paola Suarez!!!! please, she as nice as you will see in the circuit!!!!

So, Totally bogus claim.

Coria is a different matter. The last 3 months his behaviour has worsened. I don't like it at all.

However, it's not a constant thing.
I have noticed it depends mainly on two factors: a) how well he is playing and b) his feeling toward his opponent (against Moya yesterday, whom he admires and besides he was playing well, he was a perfect gentlemen).
It also seems that as he, opposite to most players, plays better when he is angry, doesn't mind to get into arguing some.

Anyway I really hope he had a bad patch and he will improve over this on the future.
I don't want him to become 21st century McEnroe

Besides his tennis is so amazing it would be very sad if this makes some people focus on this isntead of his freak talent...

amethyst
06-02-2004, 08:02 PM
Nalbandian was very fair in his match vs Guga today and did nothing wrong! And it was clear both players respect each other a lot. And for sure Argentinian players generally don´t question line calls more than players of any other nation.

Chloe le Bopper
06-02-2004, 08:17 PM
Ahem. Would it kill people to stop making idiotic generalizations such as "the Argentines all call their own lines"? I mean, seriously. Suarez (since when does she do that?), Nalbandian and Coria do not a nation of people make.

Vass
06-02-2004, 08:18 PM
Coria just initiates marat's campaign against the umpires. These two conspired to give the umpires a more sportive lok, by forcing them to run back and forth and climb the stairs.

Lee
06-02-2004, 08:24 PM
I think It would be cooler if he doesnt look at the marks and concentrate in the next point. BUT He is in all his right to do it...

It may be cool but making sure the point is correct, I believe, helps player concentrate on his next point better than doubting.

Both players, Guga and Nalbandian are fair and right double checking some close line calls.

Neely
06-02-2004, 08:28 PM
Ahem. Would it kill people to stop making idiotic generalizations such as "the Argentines all call their own lines"? I mean, seriously. Suarez (since when does she do that?), Nalbandian and Coria do not a nation of people make.
generally agree with you... you should beware of generalizations

but anyway, in this case it was obvious enough that the creator of this thread did not mean the Argentinian people all together, but only the remaining Argentine players in Roland Garros

Chloe le Bopper
06-02-2004, 08:32 PM
generally agree with you... you should beware of generalizations

but anyway, in this case it was obvious enough that the creator of this thread did not mean the Argentinian people all together, but only the remaining Argentine players in Roland Garros
IN which case he's entirely wrong, and he's still generalizing. What did Gaudio do?

I didn't mean for my statement to be taken literally, I know full well what he meant... but it was bullshit none the less. Right up there with the "no more spaniards and argies during the grasscourt season!" thread. I mean... wtf? Is it international troll week or something?

gretel
06-02-2004, 08:45 PM
Why?
Because all of them are dopped, of course.!!!!!!!!!!!

Neely
06-02-2004, 08:46 PM
IN which case he's entirely wrong, and he's still generalizing. What did Gaudio do?
sure, if you read my earlier post in this thread you will notice that I think the same.

Anyway, I'm just saying that the creator of this thread didn't mean to generalize all the Argentinian people. He/she was obviously refering to the Argentinian players remaining at RG. And what Gaudio did or not did is his/her opinion and no generalization.

Chloe le Bopper
06-02-2004, 08:56 PM
sure, if you read my earlier post in this thread you will notice that I think the same.

Anyway, I'm just saying that the creator of this thread didn't mean to generalize all the Argentinian people. He/she was obviously refering to the Argentinian players remaining at RG. And what Gaudio did or not did is his/her opinion and no generalization.
I'm perfectly aware of what you are saying and have since expressed my disagreement with your assessment of his actions.

sigmagirl91
06-02-2004, 09:00 PM
IN which case he's entirely wrong, and he's still generalizing. What did Gaudio do?

I didn't mean for my statement to be taken literally, I know full well what he meant... but it was bullshit none the less. Right up there with the "no more spaniards and argies during the grasscourt season!" thread. I mean... wtf? Is it international troll week or something?

Yes, it is international troll week, and the person below you, becca, is ushering in the festivities...

sigmagirl91
06-02-2004, 09:00 PM
Why?
Because all of them are dopped, of course.!!!!!!!!!!!


What is "dopped"? Does it mean "super doped" or something? Did I miss something?

little duck
06-02-2004, 09:03 PM
Rebecca, you have a pretty poisonous toungue I noticed.

Be just a little more warm-hearted, please?

Thanks

gretel
06-02-2004, 09:21 PM
THEY ARE DRUG ADDICTS!!!!!!


wHEN nALBA ASK FOR BATHROOM, HE TOOK SOME LINES, SURE!!!!!!!!

sigmagirl91
06-02-2004, 09:27 PM
THEY ARE DRUG ADDICTS!!!!!!


wHEN nALBA ASK FOR BATHROOM, HE TOOK SOME LINES, SURE!!!!!!!!

WTF????!!!!!

gretel
06-02-2004, 09:30 PM
AND HE COMBED ONE'S HAIR VERY WELL TOO!!!!!!!!!

Lestat
06-02-2004, 10:14 PM
What is "dopped"? Does it mean "super doped" or something? Did I miss something?

something related to drugs I think :rolleyes:

Guille's Girl
06-02-2004, 11:21 PM
Coria just initiates Marat's campaign against the umpires. These two conspired to give the umpires a more sportive look, by forcing them to run back and forth and climb the stairs.

:haha: CLASSIC!!!!!!!!

Carito_90
06-02-2004, 11:25 PM
Coria just initiates Marat's campaign against the umpires. These two conspired to give the umpires a more sportive look, by forcing them to run back and forth and climb the stairs.

:haha: :haha:

jazz_girl
06-02-2004, 11:26 PM
THEY ARE DRUG ADDICTS!!!!!!


wHEN nALBA ASK FOR BATHROOM, HE TOOK SOME LINES, SURE!!!!!!!!
What the hell is wrong with you?

Carito_90
06-02-2004, 11:31 PM
I guess she's been sarcastic... or at least i hope so :rolleyes:

jazz_girl
06-02-2004, 11:32 PM
yeah, I hope so too...

Carito_90
06-02-2004, 11:40 PM
I think she's not... read twice what she said in the "Do you see what i see in 'david's nech'?" thread. She's a freak :lol:

Guille's Girl
06-02-2004, 11:43 PM
Rebecca, you have a pretty poisonous toungue I noticed.

Be just a little more warm-hearted, please?

Thanks

awwies. *hug*

gretel
06-02-2004, 11:46 PM
Jazz:
"The argentines are all thief, from the first one as many as the last one".
Battle, President Of Uruguay. ;)

jazz_girl
06-02-2004, 11:55 PM
Jazz:
"The argentines are all thief, from the first one as many as the last one".
Battle, President Of Uruguay. ;)
Yeah, well you should make yourself clear, the other post sounded like an insult, even comming from you...

sigmagirl91
06-03-2004, 12:01 AM
What the hell is wrong with you?

She's ad-dick-ted, jazz... :o

gretel
06-03-2004, 12:05 AM
Yeah, well you should make yourself clear, the other post sounded like an insult, even comming from you...

FALACIA: Invalidar el juicio por el emisor.

prejuiciosa ;)

jazz_girl
06-03-2004, 12:06 AM
fine, whatever you say...

sigmagirl91
06-03-2004, 12:36 AM
I think she's not... read twice what she said in the "Do you see what i see in 'david's nech'?" thread. She's a freak :lol:

She's a little vampire, wanting to suck on David's neck.... :o

sigmagirl91
06-03-2004, 12:37 AM
FALACIA: Invalidar el juicio por el emisor.

prejuiciosa ;)

wtf?!!!!! :eek: :eek:

Chloe le Bopper
06-03-2004, 02:50 AM
Rebecca, you have a pretty poisonous toungue I noticed.

Be just a little more warm-hearted, please?

Thanks
Yes, I suppose that expressing disagreement with another poster in a civil manner as i did with neely here is extremely "poisonous". I apologize profusely!

Chloe le Bopper
06-03-2004, 02:53 AM
awwies. *hug*
lol ;)

Those are my favourite posts, you know. The: "Rebecca? Yeah, I don't really like you. Could you be a better person? Because I? Am SUCH a good person, and as such it is my duty to make the rest of the world good people too! Please... don't disagree! It's like. unfeminine and stuff! Be a good person! Sing! Hug! Sway! Kumbaya!"

Uh, yeah, that's sure going to change me ;)

Why do people bother? :confused:

TennisLurker
06-03-2004, 03:02 AM
be nice, you , evil viper rebecca!

Chloe le Bopper
06-03-2004, 03:42 AM
be nice, you , evil viper rebecca!
Grar! You like your poison!

Horatio Caine
06-03-2004, 03:45 AM
She's a little vampire, wanting to suck on David's neck.... :o

Well... she couldn't possibly miss his neck...or his stomach! :lol:

gina_
06-03-2004, 12:02 PM
Sigh give Coria a break. Whats all this crap abt sportmanship etc? When people are tired and under tremendous pressure in a game, its quite different from their true personality. You can't take their oncourt actions and attitude and judge them by it. Coria's more aggressive and competitive when he's playing; and he's more introverted and laidback out of the game. I don't think he's ungentlemanly or anything; people just act differently when they're in a competitive match. And okay so he might make more linecalls than other plays but that doesn't mean it's unacceptable.

This is called stupid crowd pressure. Crowds who boo at players for taking injury timeouts, i mean it's not wrong. The crowd makes it seem wrong.

Space Cowgirl
06-03-2004, 01:16 PM
There was a funny incident at the start of one of Coria's matches in Hamburg. In the first or second game he started moaning about a line call and the umpire told him to shut it, said something along the lines of "Don't start this already, Guillermo". That kept him quiet for a while heheh.

jazz_girl
06-03-2004, 03:53 PM
There was a funny incident at the start of one of Coria's matches in Hamburg. In the first or second game he started moaning about a line call and the umpire told him to shut it, said something along the lines of "Don't start this already, Guillermo". That kept him quiet for a while heheh.
Yes! I remember that!

Action Jackson
06-04-2004, 03:12 AM
There was a funny incident at the start of one of Coria's matches in Hamburg. In the first or second game he started moaning about a line call and the umpire told him to shut it, said something along the lines of "Don't start this already, Guillermo". That kept him quiet for a while heheh.

That was great, the umpire had enough of him and even better was Luis Horna who told him to shut up and unlike Gaudio I will belt you properly.

Ma. Estefania
06-04-2004, 03:29 AM
Oh great....and here comes all over again :rolleyes: