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Netcord ball (Kiefer) def. Gonzalez. 7:6(5), 6:2

Yappa
10-19-2007, 10:54 PM
The lucky netcord ball at 5:5 in the TB of the first basically led to Gonzalez' self destruction. Great S+V though from Kiefer. :yeah: He went to the net 36 times. :)

LocoPorElTenis
10-19-2007, 10:55 PM
:sad: Disappointing end to the day after Nalbi's win over Rafa :sad:

jasmin
10-19-2007, 10:56 PM
Bad for Gonzo...sorry don't like Kiefer's ethics.

Dimonator133
10-19-2007, 10:58 PM
disastrous result for Gonzo (and the game of tennis)

rofe
10-19-2007, 10:58 PM
It was spectacular self-destruction after the lucky netcord. Gonzo basically went back to his irresponsible ball-bashing ways after that and the match was basically over.

Gonzo deserved the jeering he got from the crowd.

Kiefer calmly played his game and deserved the win.

Bilbo
10-19-2007, 10:58 PM
expected one

Stensland
10-19-2007, 10:58 PM
YIKES!! GO KIWI!!! :)

that guy's on fire!

SwiSha
10-19-2007, 10:59 PM
good job 96

LocoPorElTenis
10-19-2007, 11:00 PM
The typical Crapnando Mugzalez showed up today, esp. in the second set.
At least he won a couple matches unlike all the other Masters contenders...

mangoes
10-19-2007, 11:00 PM
The Netcord has been ridiculous throughout the entire tournament.


Nevertheless, it was a horrible performance from Gonzo. I like Gonzo, but I wish he were not going to Shanghai. Personally, I don't feel like he deserves a spot there, but, of course the rankings may say otherwise. It was just really pathetic the way he lost the plot over one netcord ball:o I'm no fan of Kiefer, so it was really disappointing to see Gonzo let this slip through his fingers without putting up a fight. Kiefer didn't exactly play out of this world tennis, but he deserved to win.

Kitty de Sade
10-19-2007, 11:00 PM
I was hoping to see Gonzo defend his points here. Doesn't bode well for the end of the year. :sad:

Sunset of Age
10-19-2007, 11:00 PM
It was spectacular self-destruction after the lucky netcord. Gonzo basically went back to his irresponsible ball-bashing ways after that and the match was basically over.

Gonzo deserved the jeering he got from the crowd.

Kiefer calmly played his game and deserved the win.

I'm sad to admit that you are entirely right about all of this. :sad:
Anyways, congrats Nicholas! :yeah:

Yappa
10-19-2007, 11:00 PM
Bad for Gonzo...sorry don't like Kiefer's ethics.

That's ok. As long as you stay fair and don't insult him, you can hate him all you want. Everybody has different tastes. :)

Winnipeg
10-19-2007, 11:01 PM
kiefer will get a set off federer

R.Federer
10-19-2007, 11:02 PM
So, Federer Kiefer next? They haven't played for a while but those Federer wins have always been tricky ones against the Tricky Kiwi

LocoPorElTenis
10-19-2007, 11:04 PM
Personally, I don't feel like he deserves a spot there

Sorry, but at least he got to QFs. Ferrer, Haas, Robredo, Blake, Gasquet, Berdych, Moya, Ljubicic, Chela and Youhzny they all lost in the second round. So who deserves a spot more than him? Or are you proposing to cut the field to 4 participants?

rofe
10-19-2007, 11:04 PM
So, Federer Kiefer next? They haven't played for a while but those Federer wins have always been tricky ones against the Tricky Kiwi

Yeah Kiwi's quirky play does not give Fed much of a rhythm so it will be an interesting match.

Blue Heart24
10-19-2007, 11:06 PM
The typical Crapnando Mugzalez showed up today, esp. in the second set.
At least he won a couple matches unlike all the other Masters contenders...

:haha:

mangoes
10-19-2007, 11:07 PM
Sorry, but at least he got to QFs. Ferrer, Haas, Robredo, Blake, Gasquet, Berdych, Moya, Ljubicic, Chela and Youhzny they all lost in the second round. So who deserves a spot more than him? Or are you proposing to cut the field to 4 participants?

I was reflecting on his year's performance............not only Madrid. And how on earth did my words give any impression of wanting the field cut to 4 participants?? I just expressed an opinion about Gonzo after watching his pathetic performance.

Sjengster
10-19-2007, 11:09 PM
Federer is always made to sweat against Kiefer, the last time he didn't lose a set to him was all the way back in IW in 2005. And talking of amazing games like the one Lopez played at the US Open this year to break Federer, in that IW match Kiefer broke serve to love in the opening game with four ridiculous points, Federer was simply a spectator. I think he'll be that much more dangerous indoors with his serve and general netrushing play.

FluffyYellowBall
10-19-2007, 11:10 PM
This is a pure example of a mental battle. This match was only about mentality. Kiefer was just being patient, playing his game but after that netcord, gonzo couldnt get over that. It was an important point but it just went downhill from there. He wasnt patient enough and resorted to hard hitting.

Im actualy surprised. Its not even a good score but throughtout the match i rlly though Gonzalez could come back.

Yappa
10-19-2007, 11:12 PM
Kiefer will need to cut down on those fh errors. Sure, he made some nice winners in the 2nd set, but that was when Gonzalez was already finished (mentally) anyways.

R.Federer
10-19-2007, 11:12 PM
Well, to Shanghai it's either the Best 8, or the "Least Worst" 8. So if Gonzo gets there playing erratic and with a wild year, well he still got there the same way as all the others, ie points. So it would be well deserved. All 8 going will have earned their spot, no other way to look at it really unless someone cheated and won matches.

LocoPorElTenis
10-19-2007, 11:13 PM
I was reflecting on his year's performance............not only Madrid. And how on earth did my words give any impression of wanting the field cut to 4 participants?? I just expressed an opinion about Gonzo after watching his pathetic performance.

Ok. So who deserves the spot more than Gonzo? All players have pathetic performances from time to time (though Gonzo has them more often to be fair). He's also the only player out of the top 3 to reach a GS final. A lot of people are complaining about this or that player qualifying for Shanghai, but the fact of the matter is that there aren't 8 players who've had a consistently good year. And among the not-so-consistent ones, Feña is clearly one of the best.

jcempire
10-19-2007, 11:14 PM
I bet him 800, I lost it. Gonz suck

Yappa
10-19-2007, 11:15 PM
Well, that's a good question: who actually has the best GS results this year out of the bunch? Is it really Gonzalez?

Or Levy
10-19-2007, 11:15 PM
Roger leads the h2h 8:3, last time he lost against him was the final of Halle in 2002!

He's taken sets from him in the last two times they've played, AO Semi 2006 and USO 2005

Shabazza
10-19-2007, 11:18 PM
Good to see Kiefer back and doing well after being out of the game for over a year.

Sjengster
10-19-2007, 11:21 PM
Roger leads the h2h 8:3, last time he lost against him was the final of Halle in 2002!

He's taken sets from him in the last two times they've played, AO Semi 2006 and USO 2005

The last four, actually. Kiefer is certainly better than most at bringing out the worst in Federer - that saying that you want to bring out the best in your opponent is nonsense, it's the other way round in fact. In particular their three-setter in Cincinnati in 2005 may well be the most poorly played match I've ever seen Federer win.

justClaudia
10-19-2007, 11:22 PM
:yeah: and good luck for tomorrow, Kiwi.

R.Federer
10-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Well, that's a good question: who actually has the best GS results this year out of the bunch? Is it really Gonzalez?

That depends on how you define best results.

If you count points gained from Slams you can come up with one set of names. Or another is if you count how many slams a player went to the 2nd week.

mangoes
10-19-2007, 11:24 PM
Well, to Shanghai it's either the Best 8, or the "Least Worst" 8. So if Gonzo gets there playing erratic and with a wild year, well he still got there the same way as all the others, ie points. So it would be well deserved. All 8 going will have earned their spot, no other way to look at it really unless someone cheated and won matches.

I agree..................Like I said earlier, the ranking points say he deserves a spot there and such are the rules. I've expressed my personal opinion about him...........and quite frankly, I'm disappointed in Gonzo after the incredible start he had to the year. My personal feelings will not impact the rules that state who goes to Shanghai........I just personally don't think Gonzo's overall performance throughout the year merits him a spot in that final 8.

I like the "Least Worst"...:lol: :lol: :lol:

MCL
10-19-2007, 11:25 PM
Good win for Kiefer :) but it was a shame to see Gonzo drop a level after the tiebreak in the first set.

Yappa
10-19-2007, 11:26 PM
That depends on how you define best results.

If you count points gained from Slams you can come up with one set of names. Or another is if you count how many slams a player went to the 2nd week.

Let's just talk about the points, so disregarding the fact that one player might have sucked at one GS, while reaching the SF in the following one etc.

elessar
10-19-2007, 11:27 PM
The last four, actually. Kiefer is certainly better than most at bringing out the worst in Federer - that saying that you want to bring out the best in your opponent is nonsense, it's the other way round in fact. In particular their three-setter in Cincinnati in 2005 may well be the most poorly played match I've ever seen Federer win.

Worse that this year's match against Hewitt ?:eek:

R.Federer
10-19-2007, 11:28 PM
Well, that's a good question: who actually has the best GS results this year out of the bunch? Is it really Gonzalez?

Points from slams --

Gonzo gets 785
Haas gets 850
Ivan Ljubicic gets 230
Blake, 380

More:
Robredo, 610
Ferrer, 710
Gasquet, 670
Berdych 550

It's interesting that the slam haul pretty much dictates their position in the ATP as well. The slams are weighted that much more than the other tournaments, so that's why I dont think it's a bad idea necessarily to think that Gonzo "Deserves" to go to Shanghai for reaching a slam final. The only exception is Ljubicic who has a dismal tally from the slams but made up for it elsewhere.

So yeah, Gonzo is 2nd best in slam points. He should go to Shanghai.

TommyB.
10-19-2007, 11:28 PM
Well done Kiwi!! Way to go. :)

stebs
10-19-2007, 11:31 PM
Great for Kiefer to be in an AMS semi just like that. Of course it is disappointing for Gonzalez but a QF is not too shabby and stands him in good stead for the TMC.

Sjengster
10-19-2007, 11:36 PM
Worse that this year's match against Hewitt ?:eek:

Much. Actually, I'm being unfairly biased here as I only saw highlights of the Hewitt match, but I find it hard to believe it was as bad as the one two years ago. No coincidence that they were both in Cincy, though.

cobalt60
10-19-2007, 11:42 PM
Talk about an implosion. I am not a Kiwi fan but kudos for being patient.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-19-2007, 11:44 PM
Gonzo :smash: take your chances man :mad:

Jogy
10-19-2007, 11:46 PM
Not need to whine about the netball, Kiefer should have just hit into Gonzo body and the deal is over instead of trying to play the ball to him on the side :o
German was closer at end of set to break and played good points in tiebreak from 3-4 on, but good moving work of Kiefer, he got much balls really good

TMJordan
10-19-2007, 11:46 PM
Kiefer :yeah:

GonzoFed
10-20-2007, 12:25 AM
Deserved win for Kiefer and Gonzo Mono Truba made an appearance in the second set. But anyway, he needs to decide whether to concentrate in Basel or Paris to make sure he qualifies for TMC, and try to play well there.

*Viva Chile*
10-20-2007, 12:35 AM
Glad that I couldn't see the match because I was at work :sobbing:

rocketassist
10-20-2007, 12:37 AM
Kiwi fuckin' rules. :yeah:

As for Mugzalez, he's becoming a grinder and no longer thumping that once mighty FH, which is a shame, but it's a mug's game and he won't do a thing in the TMC with passive tennis.

leng jai
10-20-2007, 12:38 AM
How does Gonzo lose with that killer slice of his?

NicolasKiefer44
10-20-2007, 01:35 AM
Gonzo is talented, obviously. But Gonzo is a lot of hype. Chill out, I like Gonzo. But I am not surprised he went out in straight sets to Kiefer. I don't recall Gonzo battling or winning a dramatic match in a long time. Kiefer was focused and he deserved to win.

KaxMisha
10-20-2007, 01:47 AM
The last four, actually. Kiefer is certainly better than most at bringing out the worst in Federer - that saying that you want to bring out the best in your opponent is nonsense, it's the other way round in fact. In particular their three-setter in Cincinnati in 2005 may well be the most poorly played match I've ever seen Federer win.

Worse than his win versus Baghdatis earlier this year? That is by far the worst I've ever seen Federer play and still win.

Sjengster
10-20-2007, 02:03 AM
Worse than his win versus Baghdatis earlier this year? That is by far the worst I've ever seen Federer play and still win.

Now that could be a contender, I suppose... again, they all have one thing in common.

shotgun
10-20-2007, 02:25 AM
Good to see Kiefer doing well again at a big event, he went through a rough time with injuries recently.

He's one of the very few players on the tour that don't get intimidated by Federer, so tomorrow's match should be a good one. Federer will win, obviously.

Corey Feldman
10-20-2007, 02:46 AM
Great stuff Kiwi..

i know a few on MTF dont like him since many years (and his antics during that 06 AO run :lol: ) but i always like to see the older generation still doing well - when i remember them as young pups coming up the ranks in tennis, like myself in the mid/late 90's starting to follow tennis closely.

Gl to him tomorrow, what battles he and Fedexho have had down the years.

sodman12
10-20-2007, 03:07 AM
love seeing Kiefer's crisp volleys.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-20-2007, 06:02 AM
Fena could have played a tighter score.Anyway congrats Kiwi! :D

Alonsofz
10-20-2007, 06:15 AM
If Feña had won that ball at 5-5...

Adler
10-20-2007, 06:30 AM
Err... matchup issue?

jcempire
10-20-2007, 06:33 AM
Bad for Gonzo...sorry don't like Kiefer's ethics.

Suck Gonz, What the hell he did?

He got to make it, but he didn't

trixtah
10-20-2007, 06:58 AM
You might all be blaming that ball for the loss but even if he had won it, I don't see how he could have won the match. I like him and all (when he's on) but personally, I don't believe he deserves a spot in the TMC. Kiefer was playing well and it's good to see some of the older guys doing well.

Tommy fan
10-20-2007, 10:30 AM
Well done Kiwi :)

Too bad for Gonzelez, bit as a top player, who play for several years, he should know how to keep his head instead od going crazy because of one call..

Truc
10-20-2007, 10:48 AM
Well done Kiwi :)

Too bad for Gonzelez, bit as a top player, who play for several years, he should know how to keep his head instead od going crazy because of one call..But it wasn't even a bad call, just a completely normal netcord during a rallye. Gonzo was at the net, Kiwi's passing shot hit the netcord and Gonzo missed his volley because of that. Absolutely nothing happened. :shrug: Surreal Gonzo couldn't get over it.