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Decline of the 'RAFA'?

hasanahmad
10-19-2007, 06:02 PM
Federer came the closest he has been ever last french open in beating Federer, He then actually beat him on Clay as well. Nadal got a very easy field at Wimbledon and then the real decline of Nadal. Is Nadal going to be the next Hewitt or Roddick who amazed everyone when they first came but could not change the game with the times unlike Federer or Sampras

Action Jackson
10-19-2007, 06:04 PM
Earlier in the year Fed was in decline and now it's Nadal.

Yes, they will decline eventually and surprise they might even retire as well.

Sjengster
10-19-2007, 06:04 PM
Ah, the joys of bandwagoning.

ReturnWinner
10-19-2007, 06:04 PM
expected thread

Sunset of Age
10-19-2007, 06:05 PM
Troll Alert.

Federer beating Federer? Interesting.

G4.
10-19-2007, 06:06 PM
Earlier in the year Fed was in decline and now it's Nadal.

Yes, they will decline eventually and surprise they might even retire as well.

they will be hitting balls in the challenger tour by may 2008

guga2120
10-19-2007, 06:06 PM
Ah, the joys of bandwagoning. exactly

ReturnWinner
10-19-2007, 06:06 PM
Troll Alert.

Federer beating Federer? Interesting.

maybe he means in virtua tennis 3 or in another tennis video game :shrug:

victory1
10-19-2007, 06:07 PM
Federer came the closest he has been ever last french open in beating Federer, He then actually beat him on Clay as well. Nadal got a very easy field at Wimbledon and then the real decline of Nadal. Is Nadal going to be the next Hewitt or Roddick who amazed everyone when they first came but could not change the game with the times unlike Federer or Sampras

Please Nadal always sucks at the end of the year, 2005 was the only exception. He will be back to his old dominating self at the beginning of the year!

R.Federer
10-19-2007, 06:08 PM
Now we only need a "Who will roast Nadal in Paris" thread to complete the hysteria from one loss.

(Sorry Rogiman, but that thread does live a bit in infamy)

mangoes
10-19-2007, 06:12 PM
Please Nadal always sucks at the end of the year, 2005 was the only exception. He will be back to his old dominating self at the beginning of the year!

Very true:lol: :lol:

Now we only need a "Who will roast Nadal in Paris" thread to complete the hysteria from one loss.

(Sorry Rogiman, but that thread does live a bit in infamy)

:haha: :haha: Just in case some newbie Fedtard gets a lightbulb moment......DO NOT POST SUCH A THREAD!!!

RagingLamb
10-19-2007, 06:13 PM
another premature thread...

Psichogauchovna
10-19-2007, 06:15 PM
:lol: expected thread indeed

Allure
10-19-2007, 06:17 PM
I don't like Nadal but it's being presumptuous to say that he is declining. It's just one loss.

Kitty de Sade
10-19-2007, 06:21 PM
He had a rough day at the office, that's all. Lots of players have horrible losses, and they come out just fine. Sampras lost to George What's-his-name at Wimby in 2002. Guess what he ended up doing later in the year? ;)

Bad day for Rafa, yeah, but a little bit too soon to ring the death knell.

rosamunda
10-19-2007, 06:22 PM
First Roger loses it(then gets it back....until the next loss); now Rafa's losing it (gosh - will he ever get it back....even when the clay season comes around again?) Next it'll be Novak losing some match unexpectedly, and he'll be losing it with no hope of recovery - at the tender age of 20. And now Nalbandian will soon be the new Number 1 after such a historic victory today......before losing it at some point, of course. These possible declines are never-ending.:rolleyes:

CyBorg
10-19-2007, 06:28 PM
Rafa's an old man now. It's time to let the kids take over.

scarecrows
10-19-2007, 06:31 PM
he's done, finished

he'll be selling matches in the streets from now on

R.Federer
10-19-2007, 06:32 PM
he's done, finished

he'll be selling matches in the streets from now on

Matches was the wrong choice of words seeing as that is what he plays for a living .. :)

rofe
10-19-2007, 06:34 PM
Matches was the wrong choice of words seeing as that is what he plays for a living .. :)

I thought DVDs of himself playing on clay...:p

Dimonator133
10-19-2007, 06:39 PM
ah how to describe this thread?

expected, typical, dumb, tired act, etc. etc. etc.


same as when Federer doubters see him lose a match or even a set.

Exodus
10-19-2007, 06:41 PM
nadal is done too many players can beat him now...

LocoPorElTenis
10-19-2007, 06:41 PM
expected thread

So true :lol:

jasmin
10-19-2007, 06:42 PM
We will see but I do think it's premature but for the last 2 years this has been the pattern. Actually last year I don't remember Nadal ever losing on clay or getting crushed but it's too soon to tell. I'm just going to believe he will shine at the beginning of the year (especially at the clay tournaments).

Nadal may get beat more but I think he still be a factor.

Rogiman
10-19-2007, 06:49 PM
he's done, finished

he'll be selling matches in the streets from now onAlong with Davydenko? :eek:

Sunset of Age
10-19-2007, 09:09 PM
He had a rough day at the office, that's all. Lots of players have horrible losses, and they come out just fine. Sampras lost to George What's-his-name at Wimby in 2002. Guess what he ended up doing later in the year? ;)

Bad day for Rafa, yeah, but a little bit too soon to ring the death knell.

Ah yeah, I remember Feddy Guy losing from Willy Wonka in Spring this year, and guess what happened yesterday? :p

Come on people, give Raf a break. He's probably been partying too much after his victory against Andy yesterday. :D

mariyella80
10-19-2007, 09:14 PM
uuum I think you're jumping tooo far ......RELAX, nadal is 21, and as far as the wimbeldon draw federer had it easy, he had 4 DAYS OFF nadal finished on crucial match against Soderling IN 3days, he played EVERY DAY, he BEAT youzghy, berdch, and SILLLY djokovic retired, BUT nadal was still in the lead of the match.....SO IT WASNT EASY......his BIGGEST MISTAKE is playing stuggart when he had already hurt his knee in the wimbeldon final.....and that is WHERE THE PROBLEM BEGINS.......

mariyella80
10-19-2007, 09:16 PM
UUUUM which kids are u talking about......which players under 20yrs of age CURRENTLY have the potential to win a tournament ......what are u talking about ....dumb ass

Sunset of Age
10-19-2007, 09:18 PM
^^ Did you actually READ the thread? About 90% of the posters are making fun of the original poster.

mariyella80
10-19-2007, 09:22 PM
I HAVE COME TO A REALIZATION....there are alot of you he in MTF that are either EXTREMELY ENVIOUS or JEALOUS of certain top players in the atp .......GET A LIFE....there doing something U COULD NEVER DO....so DEAL WITH IT

scarecrows
10-19-2007, 11:20 PM
I HAVE COME TO A REALIZATION....there are alot of you he in MTF that are either EXTREMELY ENVIOUS or JEALOUS of certain top players in the atp .......GET A LIFE....there doing something U COULD NEVER DO....so DEAL WITH IT

was your other account called rafagirlno.1?

gogogirl
10-20-2007, 12:12 AM
Greetings All,

Good on David for netting a win over Rafa. It all boils down to the fact that David was more on his game than Rafa.

I wanted to reiterate that in my estimation - the field on the men's tour is getting deeper and deeper. These men realize that they can make a living and in some cases, a killing if they are skilled enough to win more than they lose. This of course, goes for doubles' players also.

I've always approached WTAWORLD and ATPMENSTENNIS from a fan of the sport' viewpoint. I put the game first and the player(s) second. I love to give props where they are due. I appreciate seeing a player that had never beaten this one or that one finally net a win and etc.

Last week, the players that went to the semis were Thomas J., Ivo K., Tommy H., and James B., Last year, James had a winning record against them all - if I am not mistaken. This year, they all paid him back. Sure, James probably had his chances in some of the matches where these fellas finally netted a win against him, but I like to look at it as mentioned above. The tour is getting deeper. These players are ready - able and willing to take it up a notch and win - period. I love the parity in the league.

When reading a few pages concerning James' loss here this week - I had to shake my head. I knew he'd have a hard time against Mario - but not once did I totally count him out and think that he had no chance. I believe that the player that is on his/her game the bestest during any given match will most likely win. It is not rocket science.

But some had to tear James apart. I've never gotten that. If James sucked so bad - then what did that say about Mario's win? He deserved the credit more than James deserved the ragging. And that goes for every player that lost - and especially the ones in the top twenty.

A couple even alluded to the fact that James didn't know how to hit ground strokes. How ludicrous? He hit them well enough to make three finals this past summer - and he handled them well enough at last year's TMC. David N. just beat Rafa. Well at Shanghai 2006 - James beat them both and made the final. How did he do that?

Excuse the long post - but what I am saying in a nutshell is that we should be glad that there is parity on the tour - and that there are no guarentees going into any given match. There are the odds, but not the aforementioned.

I knew last year that Ivo would beat James the next time they played. I knew Ivo would improve, and he has. I love it!

The bottom line is, no player can win them all. And as it pertains to the end of the year championship, James, nor any others that don't make it deserve to be there. It really is that simple. James' coach urged his mother last year to travel to the TMC because as he told her - James might not ever make it there again. And guess what? The same could be said for 95% of the players on tour that won't make it back. There is no shame in it. He at least, had his day in the sun.

As it stands now - Rafa is in that 5%. And over all - he still has lots of game. Let's check back here this time next year and see about it. If he's lost his #2 ranking by then, well, that will be the way the ball bounced. These men on the tour are hungry for the wins = ducketts/moolah/money/Benjamins.

Again, congrats to David. Many had him dead and buried too, so.............see - said some of the blind leading some of the blind.

Sunset of Age
10-20-2007, 12:21 AM
^^ Good post. :worship:

Merton
10-20-2007, 12:25 AM
This thread conclusively shows why Rafa was a worthy bandwagon player of the month back in spring, even though he is the #2 player in the world.

leng jai
10-20-2007, 12:32 AM
I heard from a very reliable source that Rafa will skip Paris and WTF to assess his future in the sport.

Snowwy
10-20-2007, 12:35 AM
I love how a QF in a MS event on his worst surface, losing to a player who when on is probably still one of the top 5 in the world is cuz of such a thread.

Sunset of Age
10-20-2007, 12:40 AM
I heard from a very reliable source that Rafa will skip Paris and WTF to assess his future in the sport.

I love how a QF in a MS event on his worst surface, losing to a player who when on is probably still one of the top 5 in the world is cuz of such a thread.

Come on people. Most of the posters over here are only joking around!

OF COURSE Raf isn't 'finished'. Not at all. Just a bad day at the office, happens to everyone once in a while!

mariyella80
10-20-2007, 12:40 AM
whatever...blah blah

Auscon
10-20-2007, 01:12 AM
Weren't people saying the same stuff before this year started? Then he wins Roland Garros again and pushes Federer to the limit in another Wimbledon final

Nah, I think he's alright at the moment

hra87
10-20-2007, 01:31 AM
Obviously not a decline, but the hope of him improving significantly on fast hard courts keeps being diminished.

FedFan_2007
10-20-2007, 03:32 AM
Expected thread. Rafa is only 21. He'll be back when clay season comes around...

Corey Feldman
10-20-2007, 03:39 AM
I just wish he would decline around May time every year and not August-September :devil:
cmon Rafa, do it differently next year - peak in October... take a rest in the summer

Bobby
10-20-2007, 07:04 AM
UUUUM which kids are u talking about......which players under 20yrs of age CURRENTLY have the potential to win a tournament ......what are u talking about ....dumb ass

Relax... do learn how to write clear sentences...it's annoying to read text like this... feels stupid... don't you think... dumb ass...

Good match from Nalbandian though! Maybe he is coming back. These are sentences. Try it!

Forehander
10-20-2007, 07:55 AM
Nadal's clay game improved quite alot this year. That lost he had to federer err.. dunno i wouldn't really count that because it was so obvious he didn't give a crap anymore.

BlueSwan
10-20-2007, 08:55 AM
I can't help but wonder how much different this second half of 2007 could have turned out for Rafa if he had beaten Federer in the Wimbledon final. I think that was a rather crucial match.

Kuhne
10-20-2007, 09:09 AM
Rafa and company (those who get to bet Roger) are compared to the 300 spartans.

They fight a good fight, they have more guts and stamina than everyone and they don't mind showing their finely toned bodies in homosexual ways, very confident of themselves but remember, at the end of the day, the spartans were allways meant to lose. calling rafa and the rest of the roger "nemesis'" spartan's is just a nice way of telling them "you'll put a great fight, show great guts but in the end you'll get ***** by roger like a true loser spartan who fights a fight he knows can't win"

So now that the decline of Rafa is apparent, the chronic injury pains, the fact that he is not roger's one and only nemesis now but djokovic is fighting to take that spot from him, the complaints about how hardcourt is too hard for his body (not very spartan of himself I must admit). Rafa is at his peak and if he goes anywhere from here is down, he won't get any better because his style is phisical ability first, tennis skill second, right now he is at his peak of phisical ability, he won't run any faster or hit the balls any harder in a few years than he is now, he will actualy be slower and injured all the time, he will still have good years but by season end he will allways be tired and losing badly.

There's actualy a good way to look at this rafa fans, if Rafa had actualy made it all the way to play Roger more often after wimbledon, the head to head between them would be very different by now, thanks to the fact that Rafa can suck the way he did yesterday, he makes sure he meets roger on clay more than everything else, which is why the head to head will allways (for a while at least) be in Rafa's favor. watch for Rafa to get owned early in the masters cup the way he did in this tournament (not as badly)

I am sorry to say but the new Roger nemesis is djokovic, which sucks for me cos I like Rafa much much more.

Oh well, it's all good, once clay season starts it's as is Rafa yelled "SHAZAM!!" and everything changes and he is virtualy unstopable on that surface, only a really, really, really awesome roger can beat Rafa on clay and even then it's a toss up. but I am starting to seriously believe Rafa will never win a slam that is not on clay.

skill, luck and draw factors were some of the reasons why he made two wimbledon finals in a row, the first final he had a cakewalk draw and the secon final he had a difficult draw in which he almost lost in the initial matches and then in matches he was losing (Youzny, Djokovic) they got (or were) injured and like it or not, this is the reason why Rafa won. then in the end he met a very below average Federer, with Rafa playing his best grasscourt tennis ever and he still lost that match. that had to hurt so bad as far as confidence goes, I am pretty sure that has a lot to do with his performances after that.

At the end of the day, he is still Rafa and well, Rafa is Rafa, all I said here he can pretty much erase from his mind with a quick sprint from the net to the baseline to get ready and he is super rafa again. so I am not really counting him out, all I am saying is, Rafa fans (I like him but I don't consider myself a hardcore rafa fan) should accept the fact that he may never be #1

CmonAussie
10-20-2007, 09:38 AM
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Rafa`s game hasn`t got any worse, in fact he looks much stronger & well rounded compared with 2-years ago...
However most of the other players have now realised that Rafa`s doesn`t suit hardcourts, & thus despite his lofty ranking & big match experience, he`s perpaps the easiest Top-10 scalp~~ on a hardcourt!

In 2005 when Rafa was winning Canada AMS & Madrid AMS there was still the element of awe & surprise, so mental midgets like Ljubicic lost in 5-sets to him @ the Madrid final.
Even earlier this year @ Indian Wells i felt that Djokovic played very nervously, which was to be expected since it was his 1st big final, & not surprisingly Rafa capitalised on his opponents nerves. Now Djokovic is much improved, though his nerves played a big part in the USO final..

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Rafa`s best & perhaps only chance to win Wimbledon was this year I believe..
He could still win AO, though it`ll be interesting to see how the new surface suits his game>> most likely he would have preferred AO to remain on Rebound Ace. Now AO may become even easier for Roger to win [with the new plexi surface].

DrJules
10-20-2007, 10:21 AM
The post Wimbledon performances of Nadal have mostly related to injury.

Hard to say it is decline.

Forehander
10-20-2007, 03:02 PM
I can't help but wonder how much different this second half of 2007 could have turned out for Rafa if he had beaten Federer in the Wimbledon final. I think that was a rather crucial match.

It wouldn't have made any difference. He played a totally different game play during wimbledon. Nadal to me is very foolish for not trying to adapt his wimbledon style into his hard court game. He was clearly more aggressive yet maintaining his super defense, ie, more balanced. People are clearly smacking the crap out of his balls.

Forehander
10-20-2007, 03:02 PM
I can't help but wonder how much different this second half of 2007 could have turned out for Rafa if he had beaten Federer in the Wimbledon final. I think that was a rather crucial match.

It wouldn't have made any difference. He played a totally different game play during wimbledon. Nadal to me is very foolish for not trying to adapt his wimbledon style into his hard court game. He was clearly more aggressive yet maintaining his super defense, ie, more balanced. People are clearly smacking the crap out of his balls.

FiBeR
08-20-2008, 07:36 PM
*bump :p

RafaTheBest
08-20-2008, 07:46 PM
Tehehe! :lol: