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Novak de. Mario 7:6 6:2

aeronatasha
10-19-2007, 03:02 PM
Good work!

SwiSha
10-19-2007, 03:03 PM
good job faking as always

Loftra
10-19-2007, 03:03 PM
Ancic 0/6 on bps, Djokovic 2/2. Three bps in Djokovic's first service game of both sets wasted for Mario. He held on to the tiebreak but Novak never looked back after leading a set and a break.

Fergie
10-19-2007, 03:04 PM
Nice try Mario :hug:

World Beater
10-19-2007, 03:04 PM
expected win.

Dimonator133
10-19-2007, 03:06 PM
good all around. Djoker advances, still great tourney for Mario.

Who watched it? Did Mario just go away in the 2nd??:shrug:

danton
10-19-2007, 03:06 PM
Nole gets trainer out looks to have lost his focus then breaks twice in succession. Hmmmmmmm...... Even Sky are now talking about it.

dijus
10-19-2007, 03:06 PM
just one word: FAKOVIC

aeronatasha
10-19-2007, 03:07 PM
Novak was serving good today. Much better from baseline. Foerhand working. Saved 6 BP. Had 87% point won on 1st serve. Mario had a good opportunity in the 2nd game of 2nd set, when it was 0-40 on Novak's serve, but wasn't able to convert.

Action Jackson
10-19-2007, 03:07 PM
Never in doubt.

Deathless Mortal
10-19-2007, 03:08 PM
Mario lost his serve twice after having GPs...
He was done after not converting those 3 BPs in the second set.
Still a good tourney for him

Dimonator133
10-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Nole gets trainer out looks to have lost his focus then breaks twice in succession. Hmmmmmmm...... Even Sky are now talking about it.


oh wow. at what point in match?

aeronatasha
10-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Novak twisted his ankle during TB, he got it bandaged between sets.

stebs
10-19-2007, 03:10 PM
Mario lost concentration and got frustrated in the second set.

good win for the Djoker but he could've been beaten in straights VERY easily.

SwiSha
10-19-2007, 03:10 PM
Novak twisted his ankle during TB, he got it bandaged between sets.

bla bla bla

fake

dijus
10-19-2007, 03:11 PM
bla bla bla

fake

and it's clear as hell

Caio_Brasil
10-19-2007, 03:11 PM
bla bla bla

fake

c'mon man, everybody saw he actually got injured...

n.sad
10-19-2007, 03:12 PM
well done novak, good serve, but still very good tournament for mario

Dimonator133
10-19-2007, 03:13 PM
Mario lost concentration and got frustrated in the second set.

good win for the Djoker but he could've been beaten in straights VERY easily.



how could Ancic have won the second set very easily???

sawan66278
10-19-2007, 03:15 PM
Novak twisted his ankle during TB, he got it bandaged between sets.

Um...I watched the entire match, and there appeared to be no twisting of the ankle. All I saw was ANOTHER injury timeout to catch a breather...and have the opponent think about losing the first set. And after the injury timeout, the man moved around the court like he was on skates:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And so, the streak continues: Darth Cheater takes ANOTHER injury timeout in a tourney in a match where there is NO injury...and it helps him to survive/break momentum/move forward when his talent alone cannot get him there. The man is starting to become tennis' equivalent of Barry Bonds.

aeronatasha
10-19-2007, 03:15 PM
Yeah, so that's why Mario took 1st game of second set without a point lost, and went 0-40 on Novak's serve in the 2nd game. Just what Novak wanted with that time out.:rolleyes:

incognito
10-19-2007, 03:16 PM
Nole called the trainer after winning the tiebreak and first set comfortably 7-2. When they resumed play, Nole quickly faced 3 bps on his serve but managed to save them all...

ezekiel
10-19-2007, 03:16 PM
Nole was lucky , just look at that last point :D

foul_dwimmerlaik
10-19-2007, 03:17 PM
Who watched it? Did Mario just go away in the 2nd??:shrug:
Sort of. He had 40-0 on Nole's serve in the 2nd game, but Nole came up with 3 bombs, won the game and duly broke Mario in the subsequent one. Mario kind of lost it after that, his 1nd serve went away and Nole was doing with his 2nd pretty much watever he wanted. 0/6 2/2 on breakpoints tell the story.

Nole was much better from the baseline than yesterday though.

Matrix
10-19-2007, 03:18 PM
Nole gets trainer out looks to have lost his focus then breaks twice in succession. Hmmmmmmm...... Even Sky are now talking about it.

Yeah, right:rolleyes:
That's why Nole lost SEVEN straight points just after the medical time-out, because he was faking? After all, for the one who didn't watch it, Nole stepped very badly in tie-break with his left foot, replay shows it very good.

Anyway, good win for Nole. Totally in control, second set was the one side domination after the first seven mentioned points.

dijus
10-19-2007, 03:18 PM
:lol: at blind Nole's fans

my0118
10-19-2007, 03:18 PM
Um...I watched the entire match, and there appeared to be no twisting of the ankle. All I saw was ANOTHER injury timeout to catch a breather...and have the opponent think about losing the first set. And after the injury timeout, the man moved around the court like he was on skates:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And so, the streak continues: Darth Cheater takes ANOTHER injury timeout in a tourney in a match where there is NO injury...and it helps him to survive/break momentum/move forward when his talent alone cannot get him there. The man is starting to become tennis' equivalent of Barry Bonds.


I agree. And taking a long time during the serve when it's really tight is so annoying. He learned bad things from Nadal. Damn it.

aeronatasha
10-19-2007, 03:18 PM
I agree he got lucky on a few points, I already saw them in the net. Must have been hard for Mario, but I'm happy to see him playing well on this tournament, wish him all the best.

Adler
10-19-2007, 03:19 PM
Still sensible about injuries, still winning matches against anyone but Federer (sometimes). Tomorrow he'll eat up Nadal unless the audience really makes Rafa flying

janko
10-19-2007, 03:20 PM
well done nole!

and btw, like he cares if people on this board think he is faking or not...

ezekiel
10-19-2007, 03:22 PM
oh wow. at what point in match?

After the 1set Nole took a medical timeout and had his foot bandaged, still he didn't recover completelly and lost 7 straight points to start the 2nd set and then he got it back.

LocoPorElTenis
10-19-2007, 03:24 PM
Congrats to Nole for beating 99% of the tour just out of sheer mental strength. I still don't quite like his game.

MaryX
10-19-2007, 03:32 PM
:lol: at blind Nole's fans

:lol: at fact you are a moderator

stebs
10-19-2007, 03:41 PM
how could Ancic have won the second set very easily???

Ancic was holding easily throughout the first set and had he broken when he had 0-40 early in the second it could easily have been 6-3 Ancic in no time.

janko
10-19-2007, 03:42 PM
:lol: at fact you are a moderator

he he, that made me laugh - was thinking the same :)

Rumour
10-19-2007, 03:48 PM
Another Djokovic win, another 'fake injury' outcry from the haters :yawn: Didn't watch this one but, based on comments here and seeing him play yesterday, it seems like there's significant room for improvement before Novak faces his next opponent. Well done to Ancic for a good run this week - looking forward to seeing him back at full strength and contending for a top ranking spot next season :)

stebs
10-19-2007, 03:50 PM
I don't think it was a fake injury, his foot clearly rolled a little bit. However, when he walked back on court he was hobbling like he'd been in an explosion and then after that there was no sign of the injury until GSM.

zcess81
10-19-2007, 03:53 PM
Um...I watched the entire match, and there appeared to be no twisting of the ankle. All I saw was ANOTHER injury timeout to catch a breather...and have the opponent think about losing the first set. And after the injury timeout, the man moved around the court like he was on skates:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And so, the streak continues: Darth Cheater takes ANOTHER injury timeout in a tourney in a match where there is NO injury...and it helps him to survive/break momentum/move forward when his talent alone cannot get him there. The man is starting to become tennis' equivalent of Barry Bonds.

Cheating (injury timeouts) occurs when you are LOSING and NOT after you've just won the first set. Get your facts straight before you accuse anyone of cheating.

Dimonator133
10-19-2007, 03:55 PM
Ancic was holding easily throughout the first set and had he broken when he had 0-40 early in the second it could easily have been 6-3 Ancic in no time.



well I haven't watched it yet so I can't say, but it seems to me like losing a set 6-2 means he probably couldn't have won it "very easily." Perhaps it would have been different had he broken, but no, you can't assume he could have won it easily. And keep in mind he didn't even WIN the first set! So Ancic winning this easily in straights?:confused:

zcess81
10-19-2007, 03:56 PM
Um...I watched the entire match, and there appeared to be no twisting of the ankle. All I saw was ANOTHER injury timeout to catch a breather...and have the opponent think about losing the first set. And after the injury timeout, the man moved around the court like he was on skates:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And so, the streak continues: Darth Cheater takes ANOTHER injury timeout in a tourney in a match where there is NO injury...and it helps him to survive/break momentum/move forward when his talent alone cannot get him there. The man is starting to become tennis' equivalent of Barry Bonds.

Man, have you been watching the match or you're just cluless. He WON THE FIRST SET THE MOMENTUM WAS WITH HIM!!!

jonny84
10-19-2007, 03:57 PM
Mario had a good tournament, but it seems Novak is just too strong.

stebs
10-19-2007, 03:59 PM
well I haven't watched it yet so I can't say, but it seems to me like losing a set 6-2 means he probably couldn't have won it "very easily." Perhaps it would have been different had he broken, but no, you can't assume he could have won it easily. And keep in mind he didn't even WIN the first set! So Ancic winning this easily in straights?:confused:

I didn't assume anything. I said it coud have happened easily and it could've done.

Straight sets, well if you read my post I was talking about the big points and yes Ancic had more chances than Djoko in the first set as well and change a few points and Ancic could've won this match in straights and that is the point I was making whether you choose to understand it or misinterpret it.

NikolaBGD
10-19-2007, 04:00 PM
Another win, another bad day for haters...

zcess81
10-19-2007, 04:03 PM
Still sensible about injuries, still winning matches against anyone but Federer (sometimes). Tomorrow he'll eat up Nadal unless the audience really makes Rafa flying

Might not have to...Nadal lost the 1st set to Nalbandian.

aeronatasha
10-19-2007, 04:04 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/scores/

If someone wants to check out the stats..:wavey:

stebs
10-19-2007, 04:08 PM
Another win, another bad day for haters...

Another endless spew of BS posts where paranoid fans think any negative about their favourite is 'hating'.

SloKid
10-19-2007, 04:09 PM
:lol: at blind Nole's fans
:lol: at the blind haters. :shrug: Works both ways, you lot would and often do find something to complain about and hate on regardless of what would go on on the actual tennis court (family, nationality etc).

Jelena_78
10-19-2007, 04:10 PM
Um...I watched the entire match, and there appeared to be no twisting of the ankle. All I saw was ANOTHER injury timeout to catch a breather...and have the opponent think about losing the first set. And after the injury timeout, the man moved around the court like he was on skates:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And so, the streak continues: Darth Cheater takes ANOTHER injury timeout in a tourney in a match where there is NO injury...and it helps him to survive/break momentum/move forward when his talent alone cannot get him there. The man is starting to become tennis' equivalent of Barry Bonds.


:secret: Get glasses

Dimonator133
10-19-2007, 04:10 PM
I didn't assume anything. I said it coud have happened easily and it could've done.

Straight sets, well if you read my post I was talking about the big points and yes Ancic had more chances than Djoko in the first set as well and change a few points and Ancic could've won this match in straights and that is the point I was making whether you choose to understand it or misinterpret it.


no problem man, just wanted an explanation. Thanks.

I still disagree, but I at least get your point now that you explained.

NikolaBGD
10-19-2007, 04:26 PM
stebs, I don't think on you, but sawan, dijus, I_mac...

But if you say-Nole could lose this match in straights...it's pretty stupid!

Nole played matches like this at least 30 this year, and he always won...

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 04:31 PM
Another fake. Cheating bastard.

zcess81
10-19-2007, 04:36 PM
Another fake. Cheating bastard.

So are your sisters boobs.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-19-2007, 04:48 PM
expected win

good run Mario :yeah:

Bilbo
10-19-2007, 05:01 PM
the stubborn serbs in here are really going on my nerves

ReturnWinner
10-19-2007, 05:02 PM
the same story most times, Ancic wasting a tons bps wasted and Fakevic was 2 of 2.

zcess81
10-19-2007, 05:02 PM
the stubborn serbs in here are really going on my nerves

A GERMAN TELLS SERBS THEY ARE STUBBORN!!! That's funny:)

ReturnWinner
10-19-2007, 05:05 PM
A GERMAN TELLS SERBS THEY ARE STUBBORN!!! That's funny:)

he meant the serb on mtf defending Fakevic, not all

zcess81
10-19-2007, 05:06 PM
he meant the serb on mtf defending Fakevic, not all

He said "SERBS"

Okonsky
10-19-2007, 05:24 PM
c'mon man, everybody saw he actually got injured...

Leave the haters. They have no life.

I like Mario a lot, good tournament for him but Novak is better. Simply as that.

Farenhajt
10-19-2007, 05:29 PM
Another big fat one all the way up haters' tight orifices... ;)

LocoPorElTenis
10-19-2007, 05:32 PM
He said "SERBS"

He said "The stubborn Serbs in here". Here=this thread.

Okonsky
10-19-2007, 05:35 PM
the stubborn serbs in here are really going on my nerves

Well leave the forum then. It's easy. Hate kills you but who cares?

Bascule
10-19-2007, 05:44 PM
He said "The stubborn Serbs in here". Here=this thread.

And you are his press manager, or you two are just close so much, so you can read his mind...:devil:

Gustavkrklec
10-19-2007, 06:01 PM
For all asshols (sorry for language, but how can you call people who can put Fakovic), you can only cries for misery of life that you live in. :wavey:

RagingLamb
10-19-2007, 06:15 PM
well done Novak, I love his consistency, focus and the leven of intelligence in his game.

I always like watching him play.

guga2120
10-19-2007, 06:17 PM
Never in doubt for Novak, he is playing great and will be able to challenge Roger.

Okonsky
10-19-2007, 06:21 PM
well done Novak, I love his consistency, focus and the leven of intelligence in his game.

I always like watching him play.

Me too, so strong boy.


Novak is No. 3, Gustavkrlec, I am sorry. My friends from Zagreb like Novak so as we Mario. But, they don't like Ljubicic, they said 'He has no mooda'. And they're right.

So, again, Novak is No. 3. Accept or drop dead. I can't help haters.

elessar
10-19-2007, 07:55 PM
Wow I'm impressed I honnestly didn't think Djoko would last this long after winning Vienna just saw the first set it wasn't amazing play by him but once again he got the job done

Gustavkrklec
10-19-2007, 07:57 PM
Hey guys, I called asshols those idiots who hates Novak and call him Fakovic here.
They are not only rasists (ic on the and showing hates for slavs) but also idiots because they watching tennis only to hate someone.
Once more: Go Djokovic !!!!!

Between Nole and Rafa is now only 915 points. If Novak finished this tournament it will be only 640 :D

canbera
10-19-2007, 07:59 PM
well I have seen the match, and I don't trust Djokovic about his "injury". it's too bad Ancic couldn't convert any of the break points.

Okonsky
10-19-2007, 08:02 PM
Hey guys, I called asshols those idiots who hates Novak and call him Fakovic here.
They are not only rasists (ic on the and showing hates for slavs) but also idiots because they watching tennis only to hate someone.
Once more: Go Djokovic !!!!!

Between Nole and Rafa is now only 915 points. If Novak finished this tournament it will be only 640 :D

Sorry, sorry....mozak je nekad brzi od pameti.

Gustav was GREAT man, I read all that he wrote & big R.I.P.

And I hate fashists, nazzi people like you. I like tennis, players, hate nobody.

zcess81
10-19-2007, 08:19 PM
He said "The stubborn Serbs in here". Here=this thread.

I can assure you that Serbs in this forum represent how ALL Serbs feel towards Djokovic (they obviously love him and are vocal about it, and WHY NOT?? Nothing wrong with it.), so by calling all Serbs in this forum stubborn, he might as well said that about all Serbs in the world, which is I'm sure what he really meant. Why didn't he say "stubborn Novak supporters", why say stubborn Serbs???

Spes
10-19-2007, 08:41 PM
haters. :lol: you guys are just too much.

ajde nole. keep winning and get to another masters series final. :hearts:

Bascule
10-19-2007, 09:03 PM
Hey guys, I called asshols those idiots who hates Novak and call him Fakovic here.
They are not only rasists (ic on the and showing hates for slavs) but also idiots because they watching tennis only to hate someone.
Once more: Go Djokovic !!!!!

Between Nole and Rafa is now only 915 points. If Novak finished this tournament it will be only 640 :D

Sorry, Krklec, you didn't write it well. And they say Fakeovic, I mean, not Fakovic. i'm also sick of haters of any sportman.:wavey:

Bascule
10-19-2007, 09:15 PM
I can assure you that Serbs in this forum represent how ALL Serbs feel towards Djokovic (they obviously love him and are vocal about it, and WHY NOT?? Nothing wrong with it.), so by calling all Serbs in this forum stubborn, he might as well said that about all Serbs in the world, which is I'm sure what he really meant. Why didn't he say "stubborn Novak supporters", why say stubborn Serbs???

You got it right well, and you're probably not even Serb.
Anyway, I don't see so much stubborn Serbs here, there are sensible people. But, sometimes there's too much unreasonable hate here, even if somebody's trying to be witty (it easily turns to be disgusting).

Vlad
10-19-2007, 09:17 PM
It is really shallow to think that someone can become world no.3 by faking injuries or by bouncing the ball longer than usual... Yeah, that is Novak's secret weapon of success :rolleyes: OMG grow up! It's just a language of pure hatred and envy.

ezekiel
10-19-2007, 09:31 PM
funny thing is I heard that first time (he succeeds because he bounces the ball) duriing rogers cup in Montreal by a tv reporter who was full of envy. Some old dork

ljubicic_
10-19-2007, 10:27 PM
Ancic was holding easily throughout the first set and had he broken when he had 0-40 early in the second it could easily have been 6-3 Ancic in no time.

had, had ,have. Djokovic won and that's what counts

Bilbo
10-19-2007, 10:33 PM
I can assure you that Serbs in this forum represent how ALL Serbs feel towards Djokovic (they obviously love him and are vocal about it, and WHY NOT?? Nothing wrong with it.), so by calling all Serbs in this forum stubborn, he might as well said that about all Serbs in the world, which is I'm sure what he really meant. Why didn't he say "stubborn Novak supporters", why say stubborn Serbs???

I'v never seen any Serb criticizing Nole in here. He could take cocain on the court and they would still support and defend him. But maybe it's because he's their only hero.

Aloimeh
10-19-2007, 10:57 PM
I'v never seen any Serb criticizing Nole in here. He could take cocain on the court and they would still support and defend him. But maybe it's because he's their only hero.

I would think a German, after all the (unfair) stereotyping of Germans over the past half century because of WWII, would be most wary about stereotyping others.

I guess you didn't get the "do unto others..." lesson.

And Djokovic is definitely not a "national hero" - he's a "hero" only to his fans and for the rest he's a source of entertainment and some pride. I am sure there are plenty of other characters that are much more idolized by Serbs than Novak Djokovic.

elessar
10-19-2007, 11:21 PM
Will people plz stop bringing up nationalities where it doesn't belong :
-People who dislike Novak don't give a shit about where he's from, he would be french and that wouldn't make a different
-It's just as stupid to make generalizations about an entire country (in this case Serbia) based on two or three obnoxious posters.

Aloimeh
10-19-2007, 11:35 PM
Will people plz stop bringing up nationalities where it doesn't belong :
-People who dislike Novak don't give a shit about where he's from, he would be french and that wouldn't make a different
-It's just as stupid to make rationalisations about an entire country based on two or three obnoxious posters.

I'm sorry, but it has consistently been the Djokovic-haters who have been painting people with a broad brush: "those Serbs," "the ____ (insert negative word) Serb fans," "stubborn Serbs", etc. Djokovic fans haven't gone around provoking such nationally-charged arguments by attacking the nationalities of players they dislike. You should be criticizing Bilbo for doing this sort of thing, not the people who naturally responded.

sawan66278
10-19-2007, 11:45 PM
I'v never seen any Serb criticizing Nole in here. He could take cocain on the court and they would still support and defend him. But maybe it's because he's their only hero.

True...so true. I would like to see a NON-SERBIAN fan defend Darth Cheater's tactics. Trust me. Next year, he will get his due...players will not put up with this. Mr. WTA will learn the hard way: cheaters NEVER prosper.

One further point. I found it interesting that Djokovic's coach was shown laughing and smiling during the timeout. Most coaches, in these scenarios, are either serious or non-expressive. Why was this so? Hmmm...:rolleyes: Could it be? A coach cheating as well? Do Maria Sharapova and the four bananas ring a bell?

Bascule
10-19-2007, 11:46 PM
I'm sorry, but it has consistently been the Djokovic-haters who have been painting people with a broad brush: "those Serbs," "the ____ (insert negative word) Serb fans," "stubborn Serbs", etc. Djokovic fans haven't gone around provoking such nationally-charged arguments by attacking the nationalities of players they dislike. You should be criticizing Bilbo for doing this sort of thing, not the people who naturally responded.

Haug, Aloimeh. Missed you. Don't go away, this forum needs rational people.

elessar
10-19-2007, 11:55 PM
I'm sorry, but it has consistently been the Djokovic-haters who have been painting people with a broad brush: "those Serbs," "the ____ (insert negative word) Serb fans," "stubborn Serbs", etc. Djokovic fans haven't gone around provoking such nationally-charged arguments by attacking the nationalities of players they dislike. You should be criticizing Bilbo for doing this sort of thing, not the people who naturally responded.

(I just edited my post because I realized that what I meant really wasn't clear)

Were Djoko from any other country the same posts would be coming up. A lot of people don't like him for very various reasons ranging from : he beat my favourite player to I don't like his hair cut...
The fact is that a lot of posters have appeared out of no where and don't seem to care much about tennis outside of Djoko but still proclaim him to be the greatest thing ever and thus annoy a lot of people.
Most of them are Serbians, not all of them, and certainly not the worst mind you I still reserve that title for Ezekiel, which produces some equally stupid statements because it feels that they're only rooting for Djoko because of his nationality. That doesn't mean some of the responses they generate aren't stupid, insulting etc but IMO 99.99% of those posts have nothing to do with racism.

Bascule
10-19-2007, 11:58 PM
True...so true. I would like to see a NON-SERBIAN fan defend Darth Cheater's tactics. Trust me. Next year, he will get his due...players will not put up with this. Mr. WTA will learn the hard way: cheaters NEVER prosper.

One further point. I found it interesting that Djokovic's coach was shown laughing and smiling during the timeout. Most coaches, in these scenarios, are either serious or non-expressive. Why was this so? Hmmm...:rolleyes: Could it be? A coach cheating as well? Do Maria Sharapova and the four bananas ring a bell?

To critisize Novak after your childish and nasty comments?!
It would be pathetic. And, you are 36 (or you're djoking)?!

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 12:01 AM
True...so true. I would like to see a NON-SERBIAN fan defend Darth Cheater's tactics. Trust me. Next year, he will get his due...players will not put up with this. Mr. WTA will learn the hard way: cheaters NEVER prosper.

One further point. I found it interesting that Djokovic's coach was shown laughing and smiling during the timeout. Most coaches, in these scenarios, are either serious or non-expressive. Why was this so? Hmmm...:rolleyes: Could it be? A coach cheating as well? Do Maria Sharapova and the four bananas ring a bell?

Ah yes, Serbs and Slovaks and Russians working together to create an evil empire of mediocre WTA-style cheatery!

Those snarky Slavs...

P.S. You forgot Martina Navratilova, but I guess according to you she was really playing high-power croquet.

elessar
10-20-2007, 12:03 AM
To critisize Novak after your childish and nasty comments?!
It would be pathetic. And, you are 36 (or you're djoking)?!

If you'd read some of his posts you'd know that the answer is yes he's most likely trying to goad djoko fans;)

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 12:07 AM
(I just edited my post because I realized that what I meant really wasn't clear)

Were Djoko from any other country the same posts would be coming up. A lot of people don't like him for very various reasons ranging from : he beat my favourite player to I don't like his hair cut...
The fact is that a lot of posters have appeared out of no where and don't seem to care much about tennis outside of Djoko but still proclaim him to be the greatest thing ever and thus annoy a lot of people.
Most of them are Serbians, not all of them, and certainly not the worst mind you I still reserve that title for Ezekiel, which produces some equally stupid statements because it feels that they're only rooting for Djoko because of his nationality. That doesn't mean some of the responses they generate aren't stupid, insulting etc but IMO 99.99% of those posts have nothing to do with racism.

In other words, you never cheer for French (or whatever your nationality may be) players with a particular bias? All your favorites (and of most of the other people on MTF) are based exclusively on the quality of the tennis? So it's just those nasty Serbs who have a national inclination, while everyone else exhibits the highest ideals of cosmopolitanism and national blindness?

Bascule
10-20-2007, 12:09 AM
If you'd read some of his posts you'd know that the answer is yes he's most likely trying to goad djoko fans;)

He is well-known here. A bedbug.:devil:

Jogy
10-20-2007, 12:09 AM
easy as expected and no chance for the Croat in this

elessar
10-20-2007, 12:15 AM
He is well-known here. A bedbug.:devil:

oh I think he's funny :hug: you should go have a look at this thread a lot of gems from the one and only Sawan :

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=102192

njnetswill
10-20-2007, 12:16 AM
I think it is natural for citizens of smaller countries to root more strongly for their best players. I have no problem with the Croats who adore Ljubicic or the Serbs who are "Djokotards". All the more power to them.

The opposite is true for me, the United States is so big with so many top athletes that NONE of my favorite tennis players are Americans.

sawan66278
10-20-2007, 12:18 AM
To critisize Novak after your childish and nasty comments?!
It would be pathetic. And, you are 36 (or you're djoking)?!

I stand by what I said. I am a Rafa fan...and I noticed that he has started implementing (at times) the Djokovic bouncing technique. THAT my friends is wrong...and I don't give a hoot whether its Rafa or anyone else. Wrong is wrong.

elessar
10-20-2007, 12:20 AM
I stand by what I said. I am a Rafa fan...and I noticed that he has started implementing (at times) the Djokovic bouncing technique. THAT my friends is wrong...and I don't give a hoot whether its Rafa or anyone else. Wrong is wrong.

Actually I think Djoko stole the time wasting technique from Rafa :p

ReturnWinner
10-20-2007, 12:22 AM
Actually I think Djoko stole the time wasting technique from Rafa :p

but Fakevic is way worse, use it and bounces the ball more times too.

sawan66278
10-20-2007, 12:28 AM
Actually, Ivan Lendl was the first to utilize it. Brad Gilbert, in his book "Winning Ugly" calls it "turtle time". They (including Rafa) use the technique to control the rhythm of matches...a utilized and widely accepted rule over the years. Djokovic, on the other hand, uses it to break up the receiver's concentration.

As a matter of fact, I talked to the local pro in my area (who has worked with Kafelnikov in the past), and he stated that it (Djokovic's ball bouncing) was one of the most blantantly unsportsmanlike tactics he had seen since Nastase played on the tour.:eek:

elessar
10-20-2007, 12:42 AM
Actually, Ivan Lendl was the first to utilize it. Brad Gilbert, in his book "Winning Ugly" calls it "turtle time". They (including Rafa) use the technique to control the rhythm of matches...a utilized and widely accepted rule over the years. Djokovic, on the other hand, uses it to break up the receiver's concentration.

As a matter of fact, I talked to the local pro in my area (who has worked with Kafelnikov in the past), and he stated that it (Djokovic's ball bouncing) was one of the most blantantly unsportsmanlike tactics he had seen since Nastase played on the tour.:eek:

Actually the injury time outs bother me much more than the time wasting, because i can more easily accept that they need it to concentrate and not just to disrupt the opponent.

The Freak
10-20-2007, 12:47 AM
I'm watching the match now, it is amazing how quickly Djokovic recovers from an injury! :rolleyes:

Okonsky
10-20-2007, 12:50 AM
I can assure you that Serbs in this forum represent how ALL Serbs feel towards Djokovic (they obviously love him and are vocal about it, and WHY NOT?? Nothing wrong with it.), so by calling all Serbs in this forum stubborn, he might as well said that about all Serbs in the world, which is I'm sure what he really meant. Why didn't he say "stubborn Novak supporters", why say stubborn Serbs???

Thanks.

Bascule
10-20-2007, 12:52 AM
I stand by what I said. I am a Rafa fan...and I noticed that he has started implementing (at times) the Djokovic bouncing technique. THAT my friends is wrong...and I don't give a hoot whether its Rafa or anyone else. Wrong is wrong.

But, you pay too much attention on some unessential points in game.
You're much more annoying than "Dart Cheater"'s ball bouncing.
And because he turns on your sick mind, I'm cheering for him to go on, so you could keep amusing us here.

rocketassist
10-20-2007, 12:52 AM
He did exaggerate the injury clearly but many others have done it.

Nadal, Boredo, Coria, Massu, Tipsarevic, Rusedski, PHM and even Robbie Kendrick for me have all faked injury/exaggerated an injury/taken a precaution.

Merton
10-20-2007, 12:57 AM
Congrats to Nole for another masters semi, even more so since he does it without playing his best tennis. It is good to see Mario finally recovering, hopefully he stays healthy.

Okonsky
10-20-2007, 12:59 AM
Actually, Ivan Lendl was the first to utilize it. Brad Gilbert, in his book "Winning Ugly" calls it "turtle time". They (including Rafa) use the technique to control the rhythm of matches...a utilized and widely accepted rule over the years. Djokovic, on the other hand, uses it to break up the receiver's concentration.

As a matter of fact, I talked to the local pro in my area (who has worked with Kafelnikov in the past), and he stated that it (Djokovic's ball bouncing) was one of the most blantantly unsportsmanlike tactics he had seen since Nastase played on the tour.:eek:

You don't know nothing about tennis. Period.
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I will allways cheering for Mario, Gonzo, Ferer, Blake, Coria, Rafa, Roddick......but, naturally Novak is my No. 1. I really don't hate a n y o n e. Why shoud I?

sawan66278
10-20-2007, 01:03 AM
Actually the injury time outs bother me much more than the time wasting, because i can more easily accept that they need it to concentrate and not just to disrupt the opponent.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Again, its funny...but ultimately, the Serbian fans are the only ones who respond to my posts...defending their "champion". They refuse to review the matter objectively.

I myself am against nationalism. (Or any "isms" as Ferris said ;) ). I believe is standing by justice...against even one's self. These fans follow the mantra "by any means necessary"...and men's tennis is lesser for it.

Bascule
10-20-2007, 01:20 AM
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Again, its funny...but ultimately, the Serbian fans are the only ones who respond to my posts...defending their "champion". They refuse to review the matter objectively.

I myself am against nationalism. (Or any "isms" as Ferris said ). I believe is standing by justice...against even one's self. These fans follow the mantra "by any means necessary"...and men's tennis is lesser for it.
Take care, you're melting... Hmmmm, are you female, perheps?! Or, not....
And, maybe you're right about one thing here, but it's clearly that you're not educated enough or you got narrow mind (understanding, maybe?)(tipical for americans?! And I am against nationalism, too:devil: ).

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 01:23 AM
So are your sisters boobs.

I don't have a sister, moron. :D

the stubborn serbs in here are really going on my nerves

Mine too, so true.

Sleepwalker64
10-20-2007, 01:33 AM
I don't have a sister, moron. :D


But you have boobs, haven't you Glenda?

leng jai
10-20-2007, 01:42 AM
The fakervic fanbase has become the most annoying by far.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 01:48 AM
But you have boobs, haven't you Glenda?

Just because your dad has boobs, SleepPosterIQ64, don't project that to all men, stupid fanboy.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 01:49 AM
The fakervic fanbase has become the most annoying by far.

Without a doubt.

rocketassist
10-20-2007, 01:49 AM
Tipsarevic is even worse. That prick actually fakes injuries full stop.

The Serbtards used to be okay but the growth in fanbase size has coincided with a growth in cockheads on the forum. Well GM anyway. The ones who post in their forums are friendly folk.

The Serbs are getting as irritating as Fed/Rafatards.

Grunge
10-20-2007, 01:56 AM
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Again, its funny...but ultimately, the Serbian fans are the only ones who respond to my posts...defending their "champion". They refuse to review the matter objectively.


Problem is that you don't want to understand that some people don't care about ball bouncing, or injury timeouts. For example, I don't care if players fake injury and take timeout (I am not saying Novak is faking, and I don't care if someone think he does) as long as rules are like they are now. I don't care if someone bounces ball 1000 times, or picking his ass for 25 seconds, as long as rulles allow it. I don't care about gamesmanship, or what other people think is fair...I just want players that will do anything (that is not against rules) in order to win. If you don't like things that Novak do, don't complain here by insulting him...complain to people who make rules. Talk about tradition, gamesmanship, blah blah, is pure bullshit, because this is proffessional sport, and players are doing it for money, not for tradition and love of others...so they should do everything that is not strictly forbidden by rules in order to win. That is only way to have real, interesting fight on court.
If you don't like it I cannot help you, but theese days world is working that way.

p.s. And yes, I am Serb, and I am ready to be insulted on national basis because my opinion don't fit in your perfect world where players will bring flowers to each others, before and after the match.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 01:59 AM
Tipsarevic is even worse. That prick actually fakes injuries full stop.

The Serbtards used to be okay but the growth in fanbase size has coincided with a growth in cockheads on the forum. Well GM anyway. The ones who post in their forums are friendly folk.

The Serbs are getting as irritating as Fed/Rafatards.

No, they're making Rafatards look like nice, level-headed people.

rocketassist
10-20-2007, 02:01 AM
No, they're making Rafatards look like nice, level-headed people.

That thought scares me :scared:

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 02:01 AM
Problem is that you don't want to understand that some people don't care about ball bouncing, or injury timeouts. For example, I don't care if players fake injury and take timeout (I am not saying Novak is faking, and I don't care if someone think he does) as long as rules are like they are now. I don't care if someone bounces ball 1000 times, or picking his ass for 25 seconds, as long as rulles allow it. I don't care about gamesmanship, or what other people think is fair...I just want players that will do anything (that is not against rules) in order to win. If you don't like things that Novak do, don't complain here by insulting him...complain to people who make rules. Talk about tradition, gamesmanship, blah blah, is pure bullshit, because this is proffessional sport, and players are doing it for money, not for tradition and love of others...so they should do everything that is not strictly forbidden by rules in order to win. That is only way to have real, interesting fight on court.
If you don't like it I cannot help you, but theese days world is working that way.

p.s. And yes, I am Serb, and I am ready to be insulted on national basis because my opinion don't fit in your perfect world where players will bring flowers to each others, before and after the match.

While I don't fully agree with this sentiment, I do feel like it reflects reality. People want some sort of mythical "sportsmanship" which is based on the values of amateurism, when what we are actually talking about here is a highly commercialized professional sport. They should have kept the slams closed and only given trophies and some low per diem stipend if they wanted to preserve the values of sportsmanship.

The injury timeouts I can understand as annoying, but I don't get all the rage about the ball bouncing. Get over it!

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:03 AM
That thought scares me :scared:

Be prepared, the worst's still to come. :o

Deboogle!.
10-20-2007, 02:06 AM
Tipsarevic is even worse. That prick actually fakes injuries full stop.

The Serbtards used to be okay but the growth in fanbase size has coincided with a growth in cockheads on the forum. Well GM anyway. The ones who post in their forums are friendly folk.

The Serbs are getting as irritating as Fed/Rafatards.Not the "serbtards" nor the "Fedtards" nor the "Rafatards" nor any OTHER "tard" fan group are NEARLY as annoying and irritating as those who have nothing to say in a thread but insult and generalize groups of people en masse. But whatever.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:08 AM
Not the "serbtards" nor the "Fedtards" nor the "Rafatards" nor any OTHER "tard" fan group are NEARLY as annoying and irritating as those who have nothing to say in a thread but insult and generalize groups of people en masse. But whatever.

I think he has a fair point and your post is largely unnecessary on that point, Deb. But whatever. ;)

rocketassist
10-20-2007, 02:08 AM
Not the "serbtards" nor the "Fedtards" nor the "Rafatards" nor any OTHER "tard" fan group are NEARLY as annoying and irritating as those who have nothing to say in a thread but insult and generalize groups of people en masse. But whatever.

Stop confusing 'fan' with 'tard'.

The Djokotard freak show is taking over GM and they're making the other two look sane.

Lee
10-20-2007, 02:11 AM
Not the "serbtards" nor the "Fedtards" nor the "Rafatards" nor any OTHER "tard" fan group are NEARLY as annoying and irritating as those who have nothing to say in a thread but insult and generalize groups of people en masse. But whatever.

:worship:

Deboogle!.
10-20-2007, 02:12 AM
I think he has a fair point and your post is largely unnecessary on that point, Deb. But whatever. ;)No, he doesn't, and no, my post is not unnecessary. I would rather read a million posts from all of the worst Fedtards, Rafatards, and Djokotards - three players I don't even LIKE I might add - than one post from people like you two who get pleasure and joy out of insulting people and making them feel bad about who they support, what country they're from, or anything else. It's a shame you aren't mature enough to realize that when you keep going on like this at people that you're the one who looks bad, not the player (or his fans) you love to go after so much.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:12 AM
No surprise the moderators are Fakervic-biased.

Deboogle!.
10-20-2007, 02:14 AM
No surprise the moderators are Fakervic-biased.Considering I don't even like him, you're just making yourself sound worse and worse. Keep going :)

rocketassist
10-20-2007, 02:14 AM
No, he doesn't, and no, my post is not unnecessary. I would rather read a million posts from all of the worst Fedtards, Rafatards, and Djokotards - three players I don't even LIKE I might add - than one post from people like you two who get pleasure and joy out of insulting people and making them feel bad about who they support, what country they're from, or anything else. It's a shame you aren't mature enough to realize that when you keep going on like this at people that you're the one who looks bad, not the player (or his fans) you love to go after so much.

It's not a nationality thing, are you implying I'm a racist?

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 02:15 AM
No surprise the moderators are Fakervic-biased.

She must be a Serb.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:16 AM
No, he doesn't, and no, my post is not unnecessary. I would rather read a million posts from all of the worst Fedtards, Rafatards, and Djokotards - three players I don't even LIKE I might add - than one post from people like you two who get pleasure and joy out of insulting people and making them feel bad about who they support, what country they're from, or anything else. It's a shame you aren't mature enough to realize that when you keep going on like this at people that you're the one who looks bad, not the player (or his fans) you love to go after so much.

What the hell? I have every right to point out the incoherence of those stupid fans of that cheater/faker. Fakervic fans should feel bad every second for supporting a clown like him. I don't care looking bad as long as I point out cheaters bringing the sport I love into shame.

If you don't care about someone cheating in tennis, then it's your problem, but I care and I won't be quiet about it.

And if you like posts like "this is a bad day for the haters, take it up your orifices", then I pity you.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:18 AM
Considering I don't even like him, you're just making yourself sound worse and worse. Keep going :)

I don't care how I sound to people - what matters is I'm not gonna be quiet about a cheater.

She must be a Serb.

Funny she isn't. That I know for sure. I have no idea about why the Fakervic bias the mods here show.

Deboogle!.
10-20-2007, 02:19 AM
What the hell? I have every right to point out the incoherence of those stupid fans of that cheater/faker. Fakervic fans should feel bad every second for supporting a clown like him. I don't care looking bad as long as I point out cheaters bringing the sport I love into shame.

If you don't care about someone cheating in tennis, then it's your problem, but I care and I won't be quiet about it.

And if you like posts like "this is a bad day for the haters, take it up your orifices", then I pity you.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: please, keep going :)

Bascule
10-20-2007, 02:19 AM
No, he doesn't, and no, my post is not unnecessary. I would rather read a million posts from all of the worst Fedtards, Rafatards, and Djokotards - three players I don't even LIKE I might add - than one post from people like you two who get pleasure and joy out of insulting people and making them feel bad about who they support, what country they're from, or anything else. It's a shame you aren't mature enough to realize that when you keep going on like this at people that you're the one who looks bad, not the player (or his fans) you love to go after so much.

:yeah:

Allure
10-20-2007, 02:20 AM
What is it with the Serbs? Before there wasn't any and with the rise of Djoke, they are coming out of the woodwork.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:21 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: please, keep going :)

Nice to know now you're part of the Fakervic shock troop Deb. I hope you're proud defending a cheater. :worship: :worship: :worship:

Deboogle!.
10-20-2007, 02:26 AM
Nice to know now you're part of the Fakervic shock troop Deb. I hope you're proud defending a cheater. :worship: :worship: :worship:LMFAO no I'm not. I simply just don't care enough. Do you really think what you say merely points out that you think he cheats? Because it doesn't. It's rude and offensive to entire fangroups, you don't discuss how you think he's a cheater, you raid and ruin every single result thread of his in GM and make his fans feel like crap. What's your point? Are you trying to convince his fans to stop supporting him? No, you're just doing it for the sake of doing it, and everyone knows it, and it's getting old. It looks petty and immature. If you were really intent on enlightening all of MTF as to Djokovic's cheating ways, you'd surely be able to find something new to say beyond insulting all his fans and calling him "fakervic" :yawn:

Allure
10-20-2007, 02:29 AM
Glenn is just having fun. Don't take him too seriously. ;)

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 02:29 AM
:lol: at blind Nole's fans

You should laugh at the retarded haters who want to change the reality of the match.

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 02:32 AM
What is it with the Serbs? Before there wasn't any and with the rise of Djoke, they are coming out of the woodwork.

It stands to reason that people will follow a sport more intensely if their own country is represented well, especially at the top (as with Djokovic, Jankovic, and Ivanovic).

Of course, arriving at that conclusion would require you to have a brain. :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:33 AM
LMFAO no I'm not. I simply just don't care enough. Do you really think what you say merely points out that you think he cheats? Because it doesn't. It's rude and offensive to entire fangroups, you don't discuss how you think he's a cheater, you raid and ruin every single result thread of his in GM and make his fans feel like crap. What's your point? Are you trying to convince his fans to stop supporting him? No, you're just doing it for the sake of doing it, and everyone knows it, and it's getting old. It looks petty and immature. If you were really intent on enlightening all of MTF as to Djokovic's cheating ways, you'd surely be able to find something new to say beyond insulting all his fans and calling him "fakervic" :yawn:

Of course it's rude and offensive. And that's exactly how it should be. People who support cheaters deserve exactly this.

In fact Cheatovic is even better than Fakervic, but it doesn't sound good.

Trying to pose as MTF's GM Robin Hood is kinda lame.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:34 AM
c'mon man, everybody saw he actually got injured...

I pity the fool.

Deboogle!.
10-20-2007, 02:38 AM
Of course it's rude and offensive. And that's exactly how it should be. People who support cheaters deserve exactly this.

In fact Cheatovic is even better than Fakervic, but it doesn't sound good.

Trying to pose as MTF's GM Robin Hood is kinda lame.Mature adults are capable of getting across their opinion without being rude and offensive. In fact, when opinions are presented fairly and respectfully, the opposing site is usually a lot more likely to listen. Being antagonistic intentionally is rarely effective.

I'd rather be lame for trying to be a, polite, fair, mature adult who actually respects the opinions of those I disagree with, than the alternative any day :)

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:44 AM
Mature adults are capable of getting across their opinion without being rude and offensive. In fact, when opinions are presented fairly and respectfully, the opposing site is usually a lot more likely to listen. Being antagonistic intentionally is rarely effective.

I'd rather be lame for trying to be a, polite, fair, mature adult who actually respects the opinions of those I disagree with, than the alternative any day :)

There's no respect in cheating, so anyone supporting cheating doesn't deserve respect back. I'm sorry. I'm not politically correct.

No, you're being lame for trying to look like a "neutral poster" who's in fact defending a bunch of crazy lunatics.

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 02:48 AM
No, you're being lame for trying to look like a "neutral poster" who's in fact defending a bunch of crazy lunatics.

Just for clarification, is it the Djokovic fans or the Serbs in general who are the crazy lunatics?

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:53 AM
Just for clarification, is it the Djokovic fans or the Serbs in general who are the crazy lunatics?

Fakervic fans. I have nothing against specific nationalities. Okay, maybe something against Spaniards, but then that's it.

savesthedizzle
10-20-2007, 02:54 AM
Fakervic fans. I have nothing against specific nationalities. Okay, maybe something against Spaniards, but then that's it.

Thanks sweetheart :smooch:

Allure
10-20-2007, 02:55 AM
Fakervic fans. I have nothing against specific nationalities. Okay, maybe something against Spaniards, but then that's it.

We think alike. I dislike Spaniard players too. Their games are :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:56 AM
Thanks sweetheart :smooch:

In my book you weren't a crazy lunatic, but then if you wanna be part of that group... :sad:

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 02:57 AM
Just for clarification, is it the Djokovic fans or the Serbs in general who are the crazy lunatics?

Please don't argue with this guy, he is a lost cause. This can go on forever, just enjoy Nole's wins and let the close minded talk to themslefs. Why people keep responding to him? GlennMirnyi should be banned in my opinion, he crossed the bords with insulting others a thousant of times.

savesthedizzle
10-20-2007, 02:57 AM
In my book you weren't a crazy lunatic, but then if you wanna be part of that group... :sad:

When you say things about all Djokovic fans, that includes me :shrug: Blanket statements do that :p

I'm proud to be a part of that group :)

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 02:57 AM
We think alike. I dislike Spaniard players too. Their games are :rolleyes:

I mean as people. There are exceptions, of course.

About the Spaniards, I like Lalo's game (only the game), Navarro and the King of course.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 03:00 AM
Please don't argue with this guy, he is a lost cause. This can go on forever, just enjoy Nole's wins and let the close minded talk to themslefs. Why people keep responding to him? GlennMirnyi should be banned in my opinion, he crossed the bords with insulting others a thousant of times.

BalkanFanboy, I think you're not the one calling the shots around here.

When you say things about all Djokovic fans, that includes me :shrug: Blanket statements do that :p

I'm proud to be a part of that group :)

Hard to consider you to be in the same league as BalkanFanboy, for instance, but if you wanna... :shrug:

savesthedizzle
10-20-2007, 03:02 AM
Hard to consider you to be in the same league as BalkanFanboy, for instance, but if you wanna... :shrug:

It's up to you how you consider me. But if you say "all Djokovic fans are this", I include myself in that group. How could I not? I was the original.

Merton
10-20-2007, 03:06 AM
It's up to you how you consider me. But if you say "all Djokovic fans are this", I include myself in that group. How could I not? I was the original.

You were a Djokovic fan when I joined the forum in the summer of 2005 but I am sure that it was all a disguise, you were just waiting for ezekiel to appear many months later and confuse him.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 03:07 AM
It's up to you how you consider me. But if you say "all Djokovic fans are this", I include myself in that group. How could I not? I was the original.

Well you were his fan before all the success so there's no way to call his fangirl, but if you support the cheating... then what can I say?

savesthedizzle
10-20-2007, 03:08 AM
You were a Djokovic fan when I joined the forum in the summer of 2005 but I am sure that it was all a disguise, you were just waiting for ezekiel to appear many months later and confuse him.

You and ezekiel know best ;)

You know me better than I even know myself :D

savesthedizzle
10-20-2007, 03:09 AM
Well you were his fan before all the success so there's no way to call his fangirl, but if you support the cheating... then what can I say?

I don't think it's cheating every time he takes a time out, no, since I watched the match and saw him hurt his ankle :shrug:

Every time another player takes a timeout it's not cheating. Sometimes they do actually feel something they want to have taped. So why can Novak not have something taped without it being cheating? That's all.

Merton
10-20-2007, 03:12 AM
You and ezekiel know best ;)

You know me better than I even know myself :D

It was a lame attempt on my part, I cannot reach the paranoia level of the Master :D But I am glad I guessed this one correctly :hug: By the way, do you remember elranzo, evanzo or something like that? He was sure back then that Nole would never make the top-100. :)

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 03:12 AM
BalkanFanboy, I think you're not the one calling the shots around here.



Hard to consider you to be in the same league as BalkanFanboy, for instance, but if you wanna... :shrug:

BalkanFanboy ??? What does that mean in this context??? :rolls: :haha: :haha: That's another no-sens comment from you and yet another reason people should stop responding to you. Bye.

savesthedizzle
10-20-2007, 03:16 AM
It was a lame attempt on my part, I cannot reach the paranoia level of the Master :D But I am glad I guessed this one correctly :hug: By the way, do you remember elranzo, evanzo or something like that? He was sure back then that Nole would never make the top-100. :)


Well done :D :hug:

Ah yes, where is good ol' evanzo. :awww: He was a predecessor to the people who hate Novak now :worship:

Bascule
10-20-2007, 03:20 AM
Fakervic fans. I have nothing against specific nationalities. Okay, maybe something against Spaniards, but then that's it.

:haha:

liptea
10-20-2007, 03:30 AM
i don't even know where to start, so i'm just gonna PWN you point by point.

the complete and utter rationalization of fans (based on what appears to be a warped sense of nationalism) - i don't know if i should even comment on the fact that you're being extraordinaily biased here. based on the ignorance of your post, i would venture to guess that you've never spent even thirty seconds in nole's forum, where his fans are from all over the world and coexist pretty peacefully. i'm a novak fan and i've never even been to serbia. just because sometimes you see a serbian flag next to a novak fan does not mean that they have a warped sense of nationalism. every nation has some warped fans, but there's no need to generalize a whole country based on a few tools here and there.

darkness present throughout the history of humanity: us vs. them: i agree. one serbians thigh cramps definitely violate some kind of international humanitarian precedent.

And, to be honest, given the ugly history of the formation of Serbia, it buttresses the Serbian stereotype commonly perceived internationally: that Serbs are bloodthirsty cowards who will do anything to achieve their goals: you have got to be FUCKING kidding me. maybe i'll excuse this part because you're not from that region, but if you've ever studied the history of the balkans, you would know what a tense subject it is for all ethnic groups and nations involved. an entire brutal war is not worthy of comparison to a tennis player. this is perhaps one of the most extraordinarily rude and insensitive things i've ever read on mtf.

and if you don't believe it, why use such phrasing as 'bloodthirsty cowards' ?

While we may disagree with their opinions, one thing is clear among ALL the true fans of the game. We are all in favor of FAIR PLAY. But, when reading many of the posts related to Djokovic (posted by Serbians), it appears they care nothing for this concept. THIS is what leads to the passionated responses of posters like Glenn...


Serbians can be fans of Djokovic and be a true fan of the game.
Glenn is a tool to Djokovic fans. That does not mean he's passionate.
You might not agree with it, but Novak has done nothing against the rules.nole = uses bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
the rules = allow bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
Cheating = breaking the rules.
nole ≠ breaking the rules.

To tell you the truth, this is probably one of the worst posts I've ever read. You generalize Serbians, claim that you're not perpetuating a stereotype while peppering your post with a number of ethnically insensitive and culturally unaware insults and then continue on to an ignorant conclusion based on an incorrect understanding of the rules. That's not a true fan.

Dear sir, you are a tool.

Deboogle!.
10-20-2007, 03:35 AM
i don't even know where to start, so i'm just gonna PWN you point by point.

the complete and utter rationalization of fans (based on what appears to be a warped sense of nationalism) - i don't know if i should even comment on the fact that you're being extraordinaily biased here. based on the ignorance of your post, i would venture to guess that you've never spent even thirty seconds in nole's forum, where his fans are from all over the world and coexist pretty peacefully. i'm a novak fan and i've never even been to serbia. just because sometimes you see a serbian flag next to a novak fan does not mean that they have a warped sense of nationalism. every nation has some warped fans, but there's no need to generalize a whole country based on a few tools here and there.

darkness present throughout the history of humanity: us vs. them: i agree. one serbians thigh cramps definitely violate some kind of international humanitarian precedent.

And, to be honest, given the ugly history of the formation of Serbia, it buttresses the Serbian stereotype commonly perceived internationally: that Serbs are bloodthirsty cowards who will do anything to achieve their goals: you have got to be FUCKING kidding me. maybe i'll excuse this part because you're not from that region, but if you've ever studied the history of the balkans, you would know what a tense subject it is for all ethnic groups and nations involved. an entire brutal war is not worthy of comparison to a tennis player. this is perhaps one of the most extraordinarily rude and insensitive things i've ever read on mtf.

and if you don't believe it, why use such phrasing as 'bloodthirsty cowards' ?

While we may disagree with their opinions, one thing is clear among ALL the true fans of the game. We are all in favor of FAIR PLAY. But, when reading many of the posts related to Djokovic (posted by Serbians), it appears they care nothing for this concept. THIS is what leads to the passionated responses of posters like Glenn...


Serbians can be fans of Djokovic and be a true fan of the game.
Glenn is a tool to Djokovic fans. That does not mean he's passionate.
You might not agree with it, but Novak has done nothing against the rules.nole = uses bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
the rules = allow bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
Cheating = breaking the rules.
nole ≠ breaking the rules.

To tell you the truth, this is probably one of the worst posts I've ever read. You generalize Serbians, claim that you're not perpetuating a stereotype while peppering your post with a number of ethnically insensitive and culturally unaware insults and then continue on to an ignorant conclusion based on an incorrect understanding of the rules. That's not a true fan.

Dear sir, you are a tool.:worship:

savesthedizzle
10-20-2007, 03:38 AM
I complain about all timeouts, so that's not exactly some persecution to him.



Ah, but these other players aren't Fakewit, Fakedick, Fakefin, Fakebredo, Fakederer, Fakedal, Fakenyi, Fakeanek.

None of these other players are called out for being cheaters.

If you complain, complain consistently because I haven't noticed you complaining about anyone else.

Lee
10-20-2007, 03:39 AM
In my book you weren't a crazy lunatic, but then if you wanna be part of that group... :sad:

I am not Jess but I am part of that group too.

It's up to you how you consider me. But if you say "all Djokovic fans are this", I include myself in that group. How could I not? I was the original.

I may not be as original as Jess and Becca, but I was there before most of MTF or the tennis general population know who is Novak Djokovic.

Well you were his fan before all the success so there's no way to call his fangirl, but if you support the cheating... then what can I say?

As I said I am his fan before all the success but I remembered very clearly that you called me a fangirl of him. So, please make up your mind.

Lee
10-20-2007, 03:41 AM
i don't even know where to start, so i'm just gonna PWN you point by point.

the complete and utter rationalization of fans (based on what appears to be a warped sense of nationalism) - i don't know if i should even comment on the fact that you're being extraordinaily biased here. based on the ignorance of your post, i would venture to guess that you've never spent even thirty seconds in nole's forum, where his fans are from all over the world and coexist pretty peacefully. i'm a novak fan and i've never even been to serbia. just because sometimes you see a serbian flag next to a novak fan does not mean that they have a warped sense of nationalism. every nation has some warped fans, but there's no need to generalize a whole country based on a few tools here and there.

darkness present throughout the history of humanity: us vs. them: i agree. one serbians thigh cramps definitely violate some kind of international humanitarian precedent.

And, to be honest, given the ugly history of the formation of Serbia, it buttresses the Serbian stereotype commonly perceived internationally: that Serbs are bloodthirsty cowards who will do anything to achieve their goals: you have got to be FUCKING kidding me. maybe i'll excuse this part because you're not from that region, but if you've ever studied the history of the balkans, you would know what a tense subject it is for all ethnic groups and nations involved. an entire brutal war is not worthy of comparison to a tennis player. this is perhaps one of the most extraordinarily rude and insensitive things i've ever read on mtf.

and if you don't believe it, why use such phrasing as 'bloodthirsty cowards' ?

While we may disagree with their opinions, one thing is clear among ALL the true fans of the game. We are all in favor of FAIR PLAY. But, when reading many of the posts related to Djokovic (posted by Serbians), it appears they care nothing for this concept. THIS is what leads to the passionated responses of posters like Glenn...


Serbians can be fans of Djokovic and be a true fan of the game.
Glenn is a tool to Djokovic fans. That does not mean he's passionate.
You might not agree with it, but Novak has done nothing against the rules.nole = uses bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
the rules = allow bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
Cheating = breaking the rules.
nole ≠ breaking the rules.

To tell you the truth, this is probably one of the worst posts I've ever read. You generalize Serbians, claim that you're not perpetuating a stereotype while peppering your post with a number of ethnically insensitive and culturally unaware insults and then continue on to an ignorant conclusion based on an incorrect understanding of the rules. That's not a true fan.

Dear sir, you are a tool.

:worship:

kirkicica
10-20-2007, 03:50 AM
i don't even know where to start, so i'm just gonna PWN you point by point.

the complete and utter rationalization of fans (based on what appears to be a warped sense of nationalism) - i don't know if i should even comment on the fact that you're being extraordinaily biased here. based on the ignorance of your post, i would venture to guess that you've never spent even thirty seconds in nole's forum, where his fans are from all over the world and coexist pretty peacefully. i'm a novak fan and i've never even been to serbia. just because sometimes you see a serbian flag next to a novak fan does not mean that they have a warped sense of nationalism. every nation has some warped fans, but there's no need to generalize a whole country based on a few tools here and there.

darkness present throughout the history of humanity: us vs. them: i agree. one serbians thigh cramps definitely violate some kind of international humanitarian precedent.

And, to be honest, given the ugly history of the formation of Serbia, it buttresses the Serbian stereotype commonly perceived internationally: that Serbs are bloodthirsty cowards who will do anything to achieve their goals: you have got to be FUCKING kidding me. maybe i'll excuse this part because you're not from that region, but if you've ever studied the history of the balkans, you would know what a tense subject it is for all ethnic groups and nations involved. an entire brutal war is not worthy of comparison to a tennis player. this is perhaps one of the most extraordinarily rude and insensitive things i've ever read on mtf.

and if you don't believe it, why use such phrasing as 'bloodthirsty cowards' ?

While we may disagree with their opinions, one thing is clear among ALL the true fans of the game. We are all in favor of FAIR PLAY. But, when reading many of the posts related to Djokovic (posted by Serbians), it appears they care nothing for this concept. THIS is what leads to the passionated responses of posters like Glenn...


Serbians can be fans of Djokovic and be a true fan of the game.
Glenn is a tool to Djokovic fans. That does not mean he's passionate.
You might not agree with it, but Novak has done nothing against the rules.nole = uses bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
the rules = allow bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
Cheating = breaking the rules.
nole ≠ breaking the rules.

To tell you the truth, this is probably one of the worst posts I've ever read. You generalize Serbians, claim that you're not perpetuating a stereotype while peppering your post with a number of ethnically insensitive and culturally unaware insults and then continue on to an ignorant conclusion based on an incorrect understanding of the rules. That's not a true fan.

Dear sir, you are a tool.

:worship::worship::worship:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 03:52 AM
nole = uses bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
the rules = allow bathroom breaks/injury time outs.
Cheating = breaking the rules.
nole ≠ breaking the rules.

Wrong. The injury timeouts are supposed to be used when a player is really injured (like when Murray twisted his ankle against Haas), not when you wanna break the rhythm of the other player. That's using the rules to benefit yourself illegally= cheating.

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 03:52 AM
Why do you delete only my posts and not Sawan's filth? They hatred he stirs up here needlessly makes him deserving of being banned.

my0118
10-20-2007, 03:56 AM
Wrong. The injury timeouts are supposed to be used when a player is really injured (like when Murray twisted his ankle against Haas), not when you wanna break the rhythm of the other player. That's using the rules to benefit yourself illegally= cheating.

plus he's acting to derange an opponent.

liptea
10-20-2007, 03:57 AM
Wrong. The injury timeouts are supposed to be used when a player is really injured (like when Murray twisted his ankle against Haas), not when you wanna break the rhythm of the other player. That's using the rules to benefit yourself illegally= cheating.

If you call the trainer, there is an evaluation period first. Your opinion from your cushy sofa seat does not make an injury illegitimate.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 03:58 AM
plus he's acting to derange an opponent.

Exactly. You're "injured" but running and doing everything exactly like before.

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 03:59 AM
Studying doesn't mean watching news channels since newschannels are used for propaganda especially in time of war. But you can tell me what you know about Serbian history exactly but it is seriously off-topic so it would be nice if a moderator could move the thread somewhere appropriated and notice us ;)

It's pointless to argue with this fool. The moderators deleted my response before they deleted his incendiary and insulting posts. So much for fairness.

Besides, the media did a very nice job with the propaganda. All denials are practically pointless, regardless of how much evidence is provided to back them up. Hopefully the truth will come out some day.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 03:59 AM
If you call the trainer, there is an evaluation period first. Your opinion from your cushy sofa seat does not make an injury illegitimate.

The trainer is paid by the ATP = the players. He's not gonna say the player's not injured. Don't be naive.

When someone claims to be injured and comes back playing exactly like before I have EVERY RIGHT to think it's faking.

Bascule
10-20-2007, 04:00 AM
Where is my post?! I don't belive? I was very polite and spent lot of time to translate my thoughts! I want my post!

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 04:00 AM
Why do you delete only my posts and not Sawan's filth? They hatred he stirs up here needlessly makes him deserving of being banned.

He deleted mine too and it's a shame since some people really need education here since moderators don't want to ban them even if they use racial terms non-stop especially Sawan and GlennMyrnni.

liptea
10-20-2007, 04:01 AM
Exactly. You're "injured" but running and doing everything exactly like before.

Gu, listen. Eu sou your friend. But for all you know, Novak could have epilepetic narcolepsy of the thigh.

If the trainer comes out and decides to treat him, he's been evaluated.
If the trainer comes out and decides to treat him, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
If the trainer comes out and decides to treat him, he's not breaking the rules.

Alex999
10-20-2007, 04:01 AM
Sawan, I'm discussed with all of the crap you post here. I can tolerate your posts like 'Dark cheater' etc. but you are just pushing it here. This is a tennis board.

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 04:01 AM
Where is my post?! I don't belive? I was very polite and spent lot of time to translate my thoughts! I want my post!

They delete our response before they clean up sawan's trash. Why, I don't know.

They ought to ban him. He has poisoned so many Djokovic threads and made so many people feel needlessly angry because of his vile commentary. His ethnic maligning really crossed the line.

liptea
10-20-2007, 04:04 AM
The trainer is paid by the ATP = the players. He's not gonna say the player's not injured. Don't be naive.

When someone claims to be injured and comes back playing exactly like before I have EVERY RIGHT to think it's faking.

Gu, this is ridiculous. The ATP is NOT a players union, it's an accord between tournaments and players.

If the trainer, as you say, is 'paid by the...players,' then it is in no way Novak's fault for taking advantage of the rules. And if the trainer says he's ok, regardless of where his salary comes from, then he can be treated.

you can think it's faking, that's fine. but he's not breaking the rules.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 04:04 AM
Gu, listen. Eu sou your friend. But for all you know, Novak could have epilepetic narcolepsy of the thigh.

If the trainer comes out and decides to treat him, he's been evaluated.
If the trainer comes out and decides to treat him, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
If the trainer comes out and decides to treat him, he's not breaking the rules.

The pope can say he's not breaking the rules, but he's cheating anyway using the timeouts the way he does.

Bascule
10-20-2007, 04:06 AM
I felt very badly, I had to respond. This is insulting as much as his post is.

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 04:06 AM
They delete our response before they clean up sawan's trash. Why, I don't know.

They ought to ban him. He has poisoned so many Djokovic threads and made so many people feel needlessly angry because of his vile commentary. His ethnic maligning really crossed the line.

Well he certainly deserve to get banned but since nobody do it, we have to deal with his racial insults etc,etc . When you try to educate him and show him the other side of the medal, moderators delete our posts... Cmon. Ban him and there will be no more problems since Nole's fans rarely go trash like that in another thread, I have never seen any.

MarieS
10-20-2007, 04:08 AM
The pope can say he's not breaking the rules, but he's cheating anyway using the timeouts the way he does.

:o
I'm starting to think you don't know what the word "cheat" means.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 04:08 AM
Gu, this is ridiculous. The ATP is NOT a players union, it's an accord between tournaments and players.

If the trainer, as you say, is 'paid by the...players,' then it is in no way Novak's fault for taking advantage of the rules. And if the trainer says he's ok, regardless of where his salary comes from, then he can be treated.

you can think it's faking, that's fine. but he's not breaking the rules.

The ATP is the Association of Tennis Professionals = THE PLAYERS. The tournaments are there 50/50 but without players there are no tournaments.

The trainers won't confront a player about their supposed injury, because they're paid by the players, that's a fact. Without the players, there would be no tournaments, no sponsors, no money.

He's abusing the rules = cheating.

Deboogle!.
10-20-2007, 04:09 AM
bascule, BalkanBoy, whoever else. If someone posts stuff that you find offensive and you think breaks MTF's rules, please report the posts to the proper moderators - do it by clicking the little button with the exclamation point underneath the person's username on the left side of the page.

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 04:09 AM
The pope can say he's not breaking the rules, but he's cheating anyway using the timeouts the way he does.

This clown here is polluting Nole's threads eveyday also and just don't stop insulting, I don't know how he doesn't get tired of it but since he clearled can't stop, he should take a week off, atleast.

liptea
10-20-2007, 04:09 AM
The pope can say he's not breaking the rules, but he's cheating anyway using the timeouts the way he does.

Taking advantage of the rules does not equal breaking the rules. That's the point. You can think he's 'faking' all you want, but he's 'faking' within the rules.




I vote for Sawan to be banned for referring to serbs as 'bloodthirsty cowards.'

Bascule
10-20-2007, 04:09 AM
Somebody even gave us bad rep. Great. And what now?! I still feel very bad.

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 04:10 AM
Well he certainly deserve to get banned but since nobody do it, we have to deal with his racial insults etc,etc . When you try to educate him and show him the other side of the medal, moderators delete our posts... Cmon. Ban him and there will be no more problems since Nole's fans rarely go trash like that in another thread, I have never seen any.

He's not an idiot. He knows the "line" - that's why he says things like, "let us not forget who is on trial for genocide here" or something like that. He doesn't present his venom as his own opinion, merely as the view that would logically be arrived at by people less tolerant than him (i.e. us "nationalists").

This is not the first time he's done this (several other posters have as well) and I still can't understand why it's tolerated. If such commentary were made here about Jewish people, it would be treated as disgusting antisemitism and the poster would be banned. But Serbs are subhumans I guess, so any false trash or insinuation posted about them goes.

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 04:14 AM
It's pointless to argue with this fool. The moderators deleted my response before they deleted his incendiary and insulting posts. So much for fairness.

Besides, the media did a very nice job with the propaganda. All denials are practically pointless, regardless of how much evidence is provided to back them up. Hopefully the truth will come out some day.

The moment you will see "The Forgotten 500: The Untold Story of the Men Who Risked All For the Greatest Rescue Mission of World War II " in cinemas, then you'll know something has changed.

http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-500-Untold-Greatest-Mission/dp/0451222121

Back to tennis now :D :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 04:14 AM
This clown here is polluting Nole's threads eveyday also and just don't stop insulting, I don't know how he doesn't get tired of it but since he clearled can't stop, he should take a week off, atleast.

Stick to Fakervic's forum if you don't wanna read other people's opinion on him.

Taking advantage of the rules does not equal breaking the rules. That's the point. You can think he's 'faking' all you want, but he's 'faking' within the rules.

I vote for Sawan to be banned for referring to serbs as 'bloodthirsty cowards.'

Using the rules to deceive your opponent is cheating. Tennis rules don't say I can't take enhancing medicine A, so if I take and become #1 because of that I'm not cheating? C'mon.

Lee
10-20-2007, 04:15 AM
bascule, BalkanBoy, whoever else. If someone posts stuff that you find offensive and you think breaks MTF's rules, please report the posts to the proper moderators - do it by clicking the little button with the exclamation point underneath the person's username on the left side of the page.

adding my 2 cents here. Please explain in a very clear manner why the posts are offensive. Moderators are not know-it-all.

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 04:21 AM
bascule, BalkanBoy, whoever else. If someone posts stuff that you find offensive and you think breaks MTF's rules, please report the posts to the proper moderators - do it by clicking the little button with the exclamation point underneath the person's username on the left side of the page.

Okay thank you, that will be really useful to calm down some people here.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 04:23 AM
I don't think you can actually make a campaign to ban someone here.

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 04:24 AM
Stick to Fakervic's forum if you don't wanna read other people's opinion on him.



Using the rules to deceive your opponent is cheating. Tennis rules don't say I can't take enhancing medicine A, so if I take and become #1 because of that I'm not cheating? C'mon.

If you can't comment inteligently and without insulting others, stuck to the non-djokovic related threads please or any others where you're just poluting.

sawan66278
10-20-2007, 04:25 AM
My intention was to not get into a proverbial shouting match about the history of Serbia. I am not above apologizing for anything that may have offended anyone. Balkan Boy, Aloimeh (sorry if I am spelling this wrong)...I apologize if you were hurt by my comments. I am a big boy; I can take criticism. And, I will be more than happy to view the film linked to amazon.com (if you will send me a copy;) ).

All jokes aside: I have NEVER tried to push my viewpoints under the guise of beliefs of the masses or other fans. I am simply reporting what I hear or see. Is this hearsay? It is...and, a judge (or in this case moderator) will decide whether it should be removed. I have no problem with being edited or having certain posts deleted. I trust their judgments, and will work to express myself in a less controversial manner.

However, all these comments aside...one thing is still clear in my eyes. Novak Djokovic is a cheater...and, while I respect his strokes and physical talents, he belongs alongside Barry Bonds and the New England Patriots.

Aloimeh
10-20-2007, 04:26 AM
I've made a "Balkan Conflicts" thread on Non-tennis. Hopefully sawan can lay down his allegations against all Djokovic supporters and the Serbian nation itself, and we can all debate it there. Hopefully no more posts on this in GM.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=111888

If sawan posts another nasty post in this thread about Serbs, Serbia, Milosevic, or anything like that on, I really think he ought to be banned or at least suspended.

ezekiel
10-20-2007, 04:31 AM
This Sawan is just looking for trouble, I would tell him off but I don't want to waste energy knowing that he should be banned but on the other hand there is many like him around and they may mimick him after.
Overall too many haters spreading their fear , uncertainty and doubt . And how embarassing and predictable I might add to see STD and Glenn get along so well :o :rolleyes: I don't understand fixation with Glenn, just let him be, he has issues with Nole beating his fave and can't take it, hasn't grown up enough, just let him be please, if he only knew how amusing he is

and let's see something about Nole and his "fans" . I notice a lot of people have issues with his parents and his fans, so nothing with him and it's just jealousy and petty fanaticism that drives them to pick on and exegerrate things about him to make him something he is not .

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 04:32 AM
If you can't comment inteligently and without insulting others, stuck to the non-djokovic related threads please or any others where you're just poluting.

So you've became a mod now? :rolleyes:

BalkanBoy
10-20-2007, 04:32 AM
I don't think you can actually make a campaign to ban someone here.

I don't know but you certainly deserve it.

sawan66278
10-20-2007, 04:33 AM
Aloimeh...I am too tired to go with you at this juncture. But I will say this: it is not for you to decide who is or is not banned. I respect your right to your opinion; I ask the same of you. Perhaps you have taken the correct course of action by stating that the non-tennis forums are the more appropriate forums for certain issues.

However, Djokovic being a cheater is one for this forum. And as long as he continues to cheat, I will continue to criticize.

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 04:34 AM
I don't know but you certainly deserve it.

Who are you to say that, BalkanFanboy? Get a clue.

sawan66278
10-20-2007, 04:34 AM
This Sawan is just looking for trouble

Trouble is my middle name.;)