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Interesting Article: Federer Unstrung (That's why you cant own the Great's racquet)

Monteque
10-19-2007, 12:45 AM
Tired of fights between Fedtard with Nadaltard or Noletard posters??? Well, let's take a break have a rest and read this short good article. :)


Federer Unstrung

TENNIS fans may lust after Roger Federer’s racket strung with Roger Federer’s string. But if they bought a racket customized to his specifications, they might regret the choice.

For one thing, such a racket would be hard to control. “You either have to have a real Roger Federer fetish or really good skills,” said Nate Ferguson of Priority 1, based in Florida, who does customization work for Mr. Federer and other top professionals like Novak Djokovic. “Of the 100 guys out there at the top of the game, none of them play with Roger’s racket.”

Ordering a racket strung the Federer way is a bit like ordering a Starbucks coffee. Just ask for “a Wilson 16 gauge gut main string and a Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Rough cross string,” and then hope you won’t have to say it again. The racket itself is a Wilson K Factor Six One Tour with a 90-square-inch head. The precise weight of his customized racket is a secret.

Assuming you’ve overcome the hurdle of ordering the strings, you would also need a bit of cash.

At the Madrid Masters tournament this week in Spain, Mr. Federer is playing with 12 rackets, swapping on or near every ball change and alternating string tension depending on the bounce of the ball (and his mood), so a full arsenal of customized Federer rackets would cost about $3,500, including the cost of the rackets.

“The racket gives you very little as a player,” Mr. Ferguson said. “It’s Federer’s God-given talent that creates the pace and spin.” PAUL BERGER


Link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/fashion/18customside.html

Wow, that's why i never use nCode 90 or K Factor 6.1 (90 sq). Actually, that racquet is hell control for most ppl.:devil: ...imo

switz
10-19-2007, 12:52 AM
Wow, that's why i never use nCode 90 or K Factor 6.1 (90 sq). Actually, that racquet is hell control for most ppl.:devil: ...imo

the kfactor is much easier to use than the ncode from my experience. the ncode drove me to almost quit tennis altogether because it just gives you nothing if your timing is slightly off. one day i would play at a ridiculously high level and the text time i would swear it was my first time playing the sport :o

the kfactor i have found just gives a little more room for error in stroke production. it's definitely no babolat frying pan but i've found a more consistent level of play with it.

having said that i don't waste time obsessing about my racquet configuration and i'm sure i wouldn't even recognise the racquet if i were to use Roger's.

Neely
10-19-2007, 12:54 AM
Tired of fights between Fedtard with Nadaltard or Noletard posters??? Well, let's take a break have a rest and read this short good article.
Okay, mission accomplished :lol: I think it doesn't relieve too much about Federer's exact racket settings considering that it's not only Federer whose racket is a science of its own. Many players have experts around them who do nothing else than tweak their rackets and grips the right way and there is a lot of experimenting and experience involved in this. Some players are really sensible with their equipment and feel it if the lead tape is attached only two or three millimeters off the right spot or if the racket is a few grams too light or too heavy. Same with the grip who needs to be perfect for some and which is individually adjusted for some players.

Monteque
10-19-2007, 01:17 AM
the kfactor is much easier to use than the ncode from my experience. the ncode drove me to almost quit tennis altogether because it just gives you nothing if your timing is slightly off. one day i would play at a ridiculously high level and the text time i would swear it was my first time playing the sport :o

the kfactor i have found just gives a little more room for error in stroke production. it's definitely no babolat frying pan but i've found a more consistent level of play with it.

having said that i don't waste time obsessing about my racquet configuration and i'm sure i wouldn't even recognise the racquet if i were to use Roger's.


I consider your opinion. Mmmmm one thing for sure, i will like a stupid duck running around the court if i use that kind of racquer with small head.:devil:

I have a ncode 90, some old prince and slaz racquets (i used it) but no for ncode 95. Now I usually play with rqs 22, 102 sq.:cool:

alfonsojose
10-19-2007, 02:36 AM
K what ? :haha: a paint job :shrug:

FedFan_2007
10-19-2007, 02:41 AM
Only real men use the N-Code. K-factor is for pussies!

Fee
10-19-2007, 02:59 AM
K what ? :haha: a paint job :shrug:

Exactly, it's a paint job. Fed's racquet is completely custom. There is nothing in a retail tennis shop like it, but Wilson knows that if they sell something called Federer's racquet people will buy it to be JUST LIKE HIM.

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 03:11 AM
Exactly, it's a paint job. Fed's racquet is completely custom. There is nothing in a retail tennis shop like it, but Wilson knows that if they sell something called Federer's racquet people will buy it to be JUST LIKE HIM.

I believe most players do use all custom rackets with paint jobs.

Sorry dear, I'll disagree with you: Wilson's rackets are great and they're famous much before Federer came around. I know he's a great marketing tool for the company, but their rackets speak for themselves. ;)

leng jai
10-19-2007, 03:19 AM
Yep Federer's racket is really a wooden racquet with a glossy paint job.

Fee
10-19-2007, 03:23 AM
I believe most players do use all custom rackets with paint jobs.

Sorry dear, I'll disagree with you: Wilson's rackets are great and they're famous much before Federer came around. I know he's a great marketing tool for the company, but their rackets speak for themselves. ;)

I have no doubt Wilson makes excellent racquets, I think they are the best selling racquet company in the world, aren't they?

I know a few players who use retail model racquets, the most customization they have is lead tape (I have a few cracked frames). Most players use retail models or former retail models, but don't trust the paintjob. No one should ever buy a racquet because some pro uses it anyway, you buy the one that fits your skill level and playing style.

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 03:26 AM
I have no doubt Wilson makes excellent racquets, I think they are the best selling company in the world.

I know a few players who use retail model racquets, the most customization they have is lead tape (I have a few cracked frames). Most players use retail models or former retail models, but don't trust the paintjob. No one should ever buy a racquet because some pro uses it anyway, you buy the one that fits your skill level and playing style.

I agree I agree, when I finally changed for the n-code nsix-one I realised how great it is.

Kolya
10-19-2007, 03:32 AM
Doesn't Fed string it quite loose?

Monteque
10-19-2007, 03:37 AM
I have no doubt Wilson makes excellent racquets, I think they are the best selling racquet company in the world, aren't they?


I don't sure but not a long ago the best selling racquet is Prince. Not sure now. Well, okay they make champs racquet, for Federer or Henin or Sampras but it's not guarantee it will fix for us. Agree...:cool:

Monteque
10-19-2007, 03:39 AM
Doesn't Fed string it quite loose?

I think yes. It needs much motion from the body to do it to aim exact spot for the ball.

Marek.
10-19-2007, 03:41 AM
Doesn't Fed string it quite loose?

Yeah, and he doesn't use a dampener either.

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 03:44 AM
Yeah, and he doesn't use a dampener either.

Dampeners are for wussies.

Fee
10-19-2007, 03:45 AM
I agree I agree, when I finally changed for the n-code nsix-one I realised how great it is.

Maybe one of these days you and I can discuss this further elsewhere. I think there is a racquet change in my future. :)

Marek.
10-19-2007, 03:50 AM
Dampeners are for wussies.

What if we use a rubberband. :D :p

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 03:52 AM
What if we use a rubberband. :D :p

Wuuuuussy! :p

Marek.
10-19-2007, 03:57 AM
Wuuuuussy! :p

:sobbing:

Kuhne
10-19-2007, 04:30 AM
He has a lifetime deal with Wilson so I am sure he likes them pretty much.

RagingLamb
10-19-2007, 05:29 AM
why keep the weight a secret?

That I don't get.

switz
10-19-2007, 05:59 AM
:lol: at people equating one's manhood with the type of racquet you use. probably lacking something between the legs to think that way :tape:

wenty
10-19-2007, 06:19 AM
Nice article, thanks for sharing :yeah:

Monteque
10-19-2007, 07:15 AM
why keep the weight a secret?

That I don't get.

It's like women keep their weight as a secret to everybody.

trixtah
10-19-2007, 07:17 AM
It's not a Kfactor. It's not an Ncode...

why keep the weight a secret?

That I don't get.

Weight isn't a big secret either--his swingweight and balance has been recorded by stringers at tournaments

Roger uses what he is comfortable using--the same should apply to everyone else =/

Monteque
10-19-2007, 07:25 AM
It's not a Kfactor. It's not an Ncode...




Okay trix, dont play a trick here. What is it?

trixtah
10-19-2007, 07:26 AM
Okay trix, dont play a trick here. What is it?

it's the classic with a custom head size...widely published. Look at the throat for conclusive proof. If anyone really believes that Roger actually changes rackets every time a new line comes out...you've got another thing coming =X Even Djokovic admitted that Wilson had been chasing him for years before they made a custom mold that replicated the feel/weight/balance/etc of his head racket. You think he uses an Nblade? Custom drilled...

Monteque
10-19-2007, 07:42 AM
it's the classic with a custom head size...widely published. Look at the throat for conclusive proof. If anyone really believes that Roger actually changes rackets every time a new line comes out...you've got another thing coming =X ..

Okay you can argue that every player on tour at least top 100 are using customization, and that's right. But the technology is always new. It's a case that Wilson giving the name nCode or K Factor because it's using the new technology.

So....I just dont get it if u said that classic. What kind of classic racquet do u think he is using??? Wooden or tree's branches??? Pls be more spesific.

trixtah
10-19-2007, 07:43 AM
Okay you can argue that every player on tour at least top 100 are using customization, and that's right. But the technology is always new. It's a case that Wilson giving the name nCode or K Factor because it's using the new technology.

So....I just dont get it if u said that classic. What kind of classic racquet do u think he is using??? Wooden or tree's branches??? Pls be more spesific.

6.0 original. No he doesn't use the Ncode or Kfactor because...well, have you played with each generation of the 6.0? They all feel different. Similarly, a Kblade would be retarded because the Nblade is known for it's flex.

edit: but like I said--it's a 6.0 Original customized head size

Monteque
10-19-2007, 07:57 AM
6.0 original. No he doesn't use the Ncode or Kfactor because...well, have you played with each generation of the 6.0? They all feel different. Similarly, a Kblade would be retarded because the Nblade is known for it's flex.

edit: but like I said--it's a 6.0 Original customized head size

Here it is the conspiration theory.

Okay Mrs,
1. The original 6.0 version is Prostaff and that means it's 85 sq, like Sampras'.
2. Why the hell he is using old stuff like that and customize the head size...makes no sense.
3. It;s old technology. Have u seen Sampras' playing?? If Fed using that racquet these days...even player outside the top 100 will eat him alive.:rolleyes:
4. nBlade is still nCode racquet if u assume that Roger using that but too bad nBlade is 98 sq so he should make it less square...even makes more no sense...:devil:

trixtah
10-19-2007, 08:01 AM
Here it is the consphiration theory.
Okay Mrs,
1. The original 6.0 version is Prostaff and that means it's 85 sq, like Sampras'.
2. Why the hell he is using old stuff like that and customize the head size...makes no sense.
3. It;s old technology. Have u seen Sampras' playing?? If Fed using that racquet these days...even player outside the top 100 will eat him alive.:rolleyes:
4. nBlade is still nCode racquet if u assume that Roger using that but too bad nBlade is 98 sq so he should make it less square...even makes more no sense...:devil:

What the fuck are you going on about? And it's "conspiracy," not "consphiration." Secondly, the nBlade was an example. The point being that the change to kfactor makes it stiffer whereas the nBlade is known for it's flex. That is why players do not change rackets to newer technology--the feel is completely different. Your third point? What the fuck? That makes no sense in itself. Players would eat him alive? Please go watch old Wimbledon videos of Roger. What was he using? Lastly, as to why he's using "old stuff," Sampras used the 6.0 through his entire career--Wilson couldn't get him to change from his St Vincent model. Roger uses this racket because the 6.0 classic feels COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the ncode and kfactor. Are you that dense? If you want to go buy the Kfactor and think you're using the same shit as Roger, be my guest. I'm not stopping you. In fact, I'd recommend it. Roger has impeccable timing and his racket head speed is unparalleled. The ncode and kfactor are easier to use, yes, but if you go and try the 6.0 original, you'll see why it's such a great racket.

I'm soooo sure that Novak uses the nBlade, Gasquet uses the microgel, Safin uses the flexpoint, etc. Yup. Of course they do. Mmhmmmmm. Every wonder why Gasquet's microgel has liquidmetal ridges on the head loop? The list goes on...

Monteque
10-19-2007, 08:09 AM
What the fuck are you going on about? And it's "conspiracy," not "consphiration." Secondly, the nBlade was an example. The point being that the change to kfactor makes it stiffer whereas the nBlade is known for it's flex. That is why players do not change rackets to newer technology--the feel is completely different. Your third point? What the fuck? That makes no sense in itself. Players would eat him alive? Please go watch old Wimbledon videos of Roger. Lastly, as to why he's using "old stuff," Sampras used the 6.0 through his entire career--Wilson couldn't get him to change from his St Vincent model. Roger uses this racket because the 6.0 classic feels COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the ncode and kfactor. Are you that dense? If you want to go buy the Kfactor and think you're using the same shit as Roger, be my guest. I'm not stopping you. In fact, I'd recommend it. Roger has impeccable timing and his racket head speed is unparalleled. The ncode and kfactor are easier to use, yes, but if you go and try the 6.0 original, you'll see why it's such a great racket.

You are blinded with conspiracy theory out there, mrs!!!
You told me he is using ORIGINAL 6.0, it should be ProStaff and that is same racquet with Sampras. They both is very different style and playing. Can't u see?? It's impossible to use that kind of old stuff these days unless u want to be a Future level player:rolleyes:

You never clearly tell me what is classic that it is. Dont believe your grandpa said about that, trix, it's out of time!!

trixtah
10-19-2007, 08:11 AM
You are blinded with conspiracy theory out there, mrs!!!
You told me he is using ORIGINAL 6.0, it should be ProStaff and that is same racquet with Sampras. They both is very different style and playing. Can't u see?? It's impossible to use that kind of old stuff these days unless u want to be a Future level player:rolleyes:

You never clearly tell me what is classic that it is. Dont believe your grandpa said about that, trix, it's out of time!!

Are you retarded? I told you exactly what the Classic is.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-60.html
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-60.html
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-60.html
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-60.html
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-60.html
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-60.html
With a CUSTOM SIZED HEAD. My last post in this retarded thread.

6.0 original.
6.0 original.
6.0 original.
6.0 original.

Even YOU quoted me. Obviously, you know nothing about rackets if you didn't catch it the first time when I said "6.0 Original." Even Glenn knows that Roger doesn't use the kfactor. Dense Dense Dense Dense Dense. Read my posts before you respond.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t313/trixtuh/GasquetRacket.jpg

Hmm...Liquidmetal ridges. I wonder why he hasn't "switched" to the microgel?

SloKid
10-19-2007, 08:20 AM
I read an article about a guy working for Wilson some years back and he said they make custom racquets to fit a player's needs and demands for every one of their contracted players, male or female. So the paint job and fancy name calling is there just for marketing purposes.

Monteque
10-19-2007, 08:22 AM
for trix
lol.
Cant u see your own link.
It's said WILSON PROSTAFF ORIGINAL with 85 sq. I tell u, it's no more into production again.
So im right you are wrong, mrs conspiracy:devil:

TenHound
10-19-2007, 08:57 AM
re Pete's racquet - when he decided to hit the courts again, he called his Wilson rep. & asked for the racquet Fed's using. They sent it over. Don't know about stringing or customization.

madmanfool
10-19-2007, 12:17 PM
if you want to discuss pro racquets go here: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10
Federer's racquet has been discussed like a million times, do a search
other interesting site: http://homepage.mac.com/gregraven/tennis/PhotoAlbum10.html

exposbabe
10-19-2007, 02:00 PM
I think he did make the switch this time (with customization). Shape definitely looks different from the one he had been using.

That said, I tried to string my Yonex with the same Gut/Big Banger Alu Rough combo Federer uses.
Normally I'm all BB Alu Rough.

Power? Gone. Touch? Gone.
Just as well, because at $65 a pop, I would have had to take on a second job.

But it tells you how good he is.

Forehander
10-19-2007, 05:11 PM
ncode is my favourite racquet on hard and grass surface but not clay. When i play against heavy top spinners i also do not use ncode. I am currently trying out the Kfactor, seems to be quite good for now.

Fee
10-19-2007, 06:37 PM
for trix
lol.
Cant u see your own link.
It's said WILSON PROSTAFF ORIGINAL with 85 sq. I tell u, it's no more into production again.
So im right you are wrong, mrs conspiracy:devil:

Everything trixtah has said is correct. It's a customized mold, a PS 6.0 with a larger head. It is not in production for retail sale anymore, but Roger has a lifetime contract with Wilson and he gets whatever the heck he wants. If he asked them for a racquet with O-ports, they would find a way to make it for him. He doesn't need to take advantage of 'new technology' (whatever that means), he likes it racquet, he got to the top with it, and he can tweak it however he needs to.

If it helps you sleep better at night to believe that Fed uses a K-factor, go right ahead, but it was completely unnecessary for you to attack trixtah for trying to help you.

jazar
10-19-2007, 10:03 PM
Doesn't Fed string it quite loose?

usually around 50-55, but he has been know to go into the 40s, not suprising given the racket is like a brick

Monteque
10-20-2007, 01:42 AM
Everything trixtah has said is correct. It's a customized mold, a PS 6.0 with a larger head. It is not in production for retail sale anymore, but Roger has a lifetime contract with Wilson and he gets whatever the heck he wants. If he asked them for a racquet with O-ports, they would find a way to make it for him. He doesn't need to take advantage of 'new technology' (whatever that means), he likes it racquet, he got to the top with it, and he can tweak it however he needs to.

If it helps you sleep better at night to believe that Fed uses a K-factor, go right ahead, but it was completely unnecessary for you to attack trixtah for trying to help you.


Well, we dont know EXACTLY 100% right, what kind of racquet he uses. Some speculates Original, some nCode, and some K Factor. Geez, he's coming to the court and playing and didnt give you the racquet so you can analyze that. Read my posts i didnt mention he uses K Factor. But it could probably nCode or K Factor with customization that i think he still using nCode version with paint job and thin beam.

I just can tell you that nCode version is FAR better that Prostaff Original if you want to know it's like back to 10-15 years ago and find the old stuff with less technology. Well, you can make assumption so do the others. So let's end this and try sleep tightly yourself cause I was:eek: . I don't need help from everybody here so dont get me wrong dude, help yourself!!!


if you want to discuss pro racquets go here: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10

Thanks for the link. I have account on Talk Tennis forum older than i have here. And twice i bought my racquets online from TW so i know a lot about it. ^_^

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 01:58 AM
Here it is the conspiration theory.

Okay Mrs,
1. The original 6.0 version is Prostaff and that means it's 85 sq, like Sampras'.
2. Why the hell he is using old stuff like that and customize the head size...makes no sense.
3. It;s old technology. Have u seen Sampras' playing?? If Fed using that racquet these days...even player outside the top 100 will eat him alive.:rolleyes:
4. nBlade is still nCode racquet if u assume that Roger using that but too bad nBlade is 98 sq so he should make it less square...even makes more no sense...:devil:

Sampras played with a racket from the beginning of the 90s, it's not Roger's, but Roger's is a custom PS 6.0 too.

You are blinded with conspiracy theory out there, mrs!!!
You told me he is using ORIGINAL 6.0, it should be ProStaff and that is same racquet with Sampras. They both is very different style and playing. Can't u see?? It's impossible to use that kind of old stuff these days unless u want to be a Future level player:rolleyes:

You never clearly tell me what is classic that it is. Dont believe your grandpa said about that, trix, it's out of time!!

Don't be stupid. A racket doesn't determine a player's level.

I read an article about a guy working for Wilson some years back and he said they make custom racquets to fit a player's needs and demands for every one of their contracted players, male or female. So the paint job and fancy name calling is there just for marketing purposes.

Definitely.

Everything trixtah has said is correct. It's a customized mold, a PS 6.0 with a larger head. It is not in production for retail sale anymore, but Roger has a lifetime contract with Wilson and he gets whatever the heck he wants. If he asked them for a racquet with O-ports, they would find a way to make it for him. He doesn't need to take advantage of 'new technology' (whatever that means), he likes it racquet, he got to the top with it, and he can tweak it however he needs to.

If it helps you sleep better at night to believe that Fed uses a K-factor, go right ahead, but it was completely unnecessary for you to attack trixtah for trying to help you.

You are right about the custom stuff, yeah.

About Hwang Sun, he's so annoying when he's posting/working at the laundry, sometimes you can't escape the urge to attack him.

Monteque
10-20-2007, 02:47 AM
1. Sampras played with a racket from the beginning of the 90s, it's not Roger's, but Roger's is a custom PS 6.0 too.

2. Don't be stupid. A racket doesn't determine a player's level.



1. Enough for this topic. It's over you made your own words.

2. More or less, YES. A beginner wont use a racquet with head size less than 100 sq. And an expert wont use a beginner racquet with light weight and big head size. That's why if you buy racquet online, there's always hint the level player suitable for using that kind of racquet e.g: 4.5+.

Fee
10-20-2007, 03:59 AM
Well, we dont know EXACTLY 100% right, what kind of racquet he uses. Some speculates Original, some nCode, and some K Factor. Geez, he's coming to the court and playing and didnt give you the racquet so you can analyze that. Read my posts i didnt mention he uses K Factor. But it could probably nCode or K Factor with customization that i think he still using nCode version with paint job and thin beam.

I just can tell you that nCode version is FAR better that Prostaff Original if you want to know it's like back to 10-15 years ago and find the old stuff with less technology. Well, you can make assumption so do the others. So let's end this and try sleep tightly yourself cause I was:eek: . I don't need help from everybody here so dont get me wrong dude, help yourself!!!




By the way, trixtah is a guy and I am a woman.

Interesting that you have played with all the Wilson racquets and prefer the NCode. Glad that works for you. I've spoken to 3 Wilson sponsored players in the last 3 years and all of them had one thing in common - NCode paintjobs over PS 6.1 racquets. Guess they didn't like the NCodes either. :)

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 04:42 AM
1. Enough for this topic. It's over you made your own words.

2. More or less, YES. A beginner wont use a racquet with head size less than 100 sq. And an expert wont use a beginner racquet with light weight and big head size. That's why if you buy racquet online, there's always hint the level player suitable for using that kind of racquet e.g: 4.5+.

Oh my, you can't get stuff.

Okay, for the last time: PLAYERS DON'T USE RACKETS AS THEY ARE SOLD TO US. They are all customised. Damn... is that so hard to understand. They don't use "n-code", "k-factor", "microgel", "liquidmetal" technologies. They use whatever they want with paintjobs on it. It could even be a combo of those technologies for all we know.

Monteque
10-20-2007, 05:27 AM
:awww:

Ok, I cant debate with all of you even i dont know you are all are one poster with multiple usernames.

Just for the note, i dont use wilson for my racquet (although i have nCode 95), i use rqs 22, yonex. But one thing for sure, nCode is a good racquet that's why so many top players using it and it's commercially good selling product. check it if you want. Public cant lie...:devil:
http://www.infofaq.com/buying-online/sports/tennis/best-selling.html

For the last time, WE WILL NEVER SURE what Federer's racquet is. You could make it clear with your own theory but others could refuse your theory just as simple as that. Unless you are Mirka or his father...maybe.

:topic:

GlennMirnyi
10-20-2007, 05:33 AM
So you think who strings Federer's rackets? Himself? I bet the stringers all know how his racket is.

Forehander
10-20-2007, 08:02 AM
Who cares about Federer's racquet, just keep trying different ones on the market till you are able to find a one that's right for you.

thesupreme
10-22-2007, 04:20 PM
Dunno about you guys but i'll never change from mid-90's Prince. I'm using a Prince CTS Blast with babolat vs gut, tension around 60. Its owns.....