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Rafa Nadal Sends Murray Packing 7-6 (7-5), 6-4

Dimonator133
10-18-2007, 09:29 PM
RAFA!:woohoo:

Albop
10-18-2007, 09:29 PM
murray is such a mug

Tabledott
10-18-2007, 09:29 PM
Murray choked again

Duncan
10-18-2007, 09:30 PM
Murray lost his bottle

mivco
10-18-2007, 09:30 PM
lol what a joke

Jaap
10-18-2007, 09:30 PM
Pure luck.

mivco
10-18-2007, 09:30 PM
murray big looser - nadal big clown

RonE
10-18-2007, 09:30 PM
Expected. Murray has the game to hang in with Nadal but neither the physical nor mental stamina to edge ahead of him.

trixtah
10-18-2007, 09:30 PM
You're all saying "joke" and "mug" because you didn't watch the match. Stop watching live scores you cheap ass fucks. It was a quality match.

richie21
10-18-2007, 09:31 PM
Well done to Rafa but frankly i think the scoreline is very harsh on Murray.....he certainly deserved to win at least 1 set.

The Freak
10-18-2007, 09:32 PM
Sensational match! :worship:
So many great points!
Vamos Rafa!

jonas
10-18-2007, 09:32 PM
Complete melt down by Murray. He doesn't have the physics nor the mental stamina to beat Nadal. Yet.

Up 4-2* 40-15 and lost 4 straight games.

Nadal was lucky to come through in straights.

Murray has a bigger game than Nadal in him. When he gets the pieces together he will kick Nadals butt.

GREAT MATCH, though!

Tommy fan
10-18-2007, 09:32 PM
Great match! I wish there would be 3 set..(And I don't even like either of them..)

Allstar
10-18-2007, 09:32 PM
Missed chances:sad:

cmurray
10-18-2007, 09:32 PM
Are you KIDDING me? That match was incredible!!!! Murray was amazing. Nadal won that match, Murray didn't lose it.

Albop
10-18-2007, 09:32 PM
You're all saying "joke" and "mug" because you didn't watch the match. Stop watching live scores you cheap ass fucks. It was a quality match.

i saw the match of course and the only thing that i can say is "mug"

acionescu
10-18-2007, 09:32 PM
RAFA:banana:

mangoes
10-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Very, very entertaining match. As I expected, Nadal pulled through. Murray had his chances but I just don't think he's ready to cross that finish line. He puts up a good fight, but that's about it. Hopefully, that will change in the NEAR future.

Congrats to Nadal.....well played.

neenah
10-18-2007, 09:33 PM
I only saw three points of the match before my livestream stopped working, but one of them was amazing. Rafa was down 15-30 or something, in the second set, and there was a very nice, long point. I think Murray won the point, and went on to break Rafa. And then my livestream stopped. :p

trixtah
10-18-2007, 09:33 PM
i saw the match of course and the only thing that i can say is "mug"

That's because you, like Glenn, don't know a thing about tennis.

tennisgal_001
10-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Outstanding match by both players with some phenomenal shots. It was anybody's match and it was just a few points in each set that made the difference.

RagingLamb
10-18-2007, 09:34 PM
Awesome match by both.

Nadal again showing what he's made of. Played some terrific points at all the important moments :yeah:

RogiRafaFan86
10-18-2007, 09:34 PM
Rafael Nadal never ceases to amaze me. He never stopped fighting. And he hit some shots that had me :worship:

Good showing by Murray as well. Anyone calling him a mug, or saying he choked...jackasses - the lot of ya.

That was the match of the tournament by far. And Nadal came out on the winning end because of his outright refusal to lose. Simple as that.

Cat123
10-18-2007, 09:34 PM
That was pretty stunning if I do say so myself. Wow! Both boys were fabulous, I didn't want either to lose.

Total points wonn 87-85. But Nadal won the ones that counted, that's why he's #2.

Murray vs. Nadal is always quality! This supased their Aussie Open match, hopefully the next will be just as exciting but go to 3 sets!

Those who are saying Murray choked are on a different planet...

cc2monac
10-18-2007, 09:34 PM
congrats rafito!!!

Metis
10-18-2007, 09:35 PM
What a great match!!! :worship:

Some spectacular shots from both and incredible defense from Rafa. :hatoff:

Looking forward to the match against Nalby tomorrow... :)

Albop
10-18-2007, 09:35 PM
That's because you, like Glenn, don't know a thing about tennis.

:o

did you see that match rafaboy ?

Lullaby
10-18-2007, 09:35 PM
I am starting to believe that in a couple of years as he gets stronger andy can challenge at the very top of this game - He just needs to pull it all together, his hiting was so good tonight but he didnt take the opportunities when they came. Serve let him down in second set (When that works it is good)

Congrats to Rafa who returned some shots I thought were unreturnable :)

Final thought - The injury must me 100% now for him to hit those forehands which is very good news

Yappa
10-18-2007, 09:36 PM
Very entertaining match. :yeah: Not that this is something new when Nadal faces an opponent who goes for his shots.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 09:36 PM
Rafael Nadal never ceases to amaze me. He never stopped fighting. And he hit some shots that had me :worship:

Good showing by Murray as well. Anyone calling him a mug, or saying he choked...jackasses. The lot of ya.

That was the match of the tournament by far. And Nadal came out on the winning end because of his outright refusal to lose. Simple as that.

:worship: :worship:

That was simply a fantastic match. I haven't seen Nadal play so well since Wimbledon. Murray :hug:

Sunset of Age
10-18-2007, 09:36 PM
You're all saying "joke" and "mug" because you didn't watch the match. Stop watching live scores you cheap ass fucks. It was a quality match.

Indeed! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Andy was NO MUG at all - he did his best to fight back, only once again this match makes clear what the difference is between a good and a GREAT player (GS-material, that is): Rafa took his chances when he got them, Andy didn't.

I expected Andy to completely choke after he lost that 1st set TB, to be honest. But he didn't and kept on trying to give his best. Unfortunately (for Andy, of course!) Rafa upped his level and started to play better and better, taking his chances where he could find them. But this surely was a good performance from Andy!

Of course, all kudos and congratulations to the deserved winner - Rafa!
He looked genuinely happy with his win, and rightly so. I guess he experienced facing a REAL opponent just as much as did those who actually SAW the match.

Raf, on your way to the final now! :hatoff:
And Andy - better luck next time, your time will come. :hug:

Johnny Groove
10-18-2007, 09:36 PM
Fucking right :rocker2:

thunder2006
10-18-2007, 09:36 PM
You're all saying "joke" and "mug" because you didn't watch the match. Stop watching live scores you cheap ass fucks. It was a quality match.

AGREED! 100%!! It was a great match especially after the initial nervous games. One of the top ten of the year IMO...

trixtah
10-18-2007, 09:36 PM
:o

did you see that match rafaboy ?

Sounds like something Glenn would say. You, sir, just lost all (and any) credibility you ever had at MTF.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-18-2007, 09:37 PM
What a match.

Nadal :worship:

FedFan_2007
10-18-2007, 09:37 PM
Bottom line Nadal will be slaughtered by Fed/Nole if doesn't improve.

LinkMage
10-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Great play by Mugray on the BPs. :o


How many did he blew? 200? 300?

Apemant
10-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Pure luck.

It's not just luck, he does it far too often to be just that. But yes, I believe it's purely mental. Andy will need more time to be able to beat mental giants such as Nadal or Nole.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Sounds like something Glenn would say. You, sir, just lost all (and any) credibility you ever had at MTF.

Can't lose what you never had....

FedFan_2007
10-18-2007, 09:39 PM
LOL... RFK and I posted at the same time, what serendipity!

thunder2006
10-18-2007, 09:39 PM
Great play by Mugray on the BPs. :o


How many did he blew? 200? 300?

Don't be a poor loser. RAFA blew many break chances as well. It all came down to a few points in the match that made the difference. Well played by both players!

foul_dwimmerlaik
10-18-2007, 09:39 PM
A simply incredible match by both. Some shots that those guys pulled were out of this galaxy. Pity to see Murray lose, but his serve deserted him in the 2nd set, and Nadal was fitter.

Congrads Rafa on the best match of the tournament.

richie21
10-18-2007, 09:40 PM
Despite the fact he lost,i'm very impressed by Murray.
I think that in the long run,he is going to be better than Djokovic.

tangerine_dream
10-18-2007, 09:40 PM
I wish we could have more competitive matches like this where both players are neck-and-neck throughout the match . :bowdown: I like that Murray keeps plugging away and trying to find a way to get past Rafa. Can't fault him for lack of heart this time. Good effort, Mugray. And another great show of heart and guts from Rafa. :hatoff:

FedererSlam
10-18-2007, 09:40 PM
Qualllity match...Muggays brain took a beating and so did Nadal's knneees

Or Levy
10-18-2007, 09:41 PM
The match was incredible. Murray DESERVED that second set, I was gutted he did it get it, this match deserved a third set, and whoever took it would have been fine with me, because they both played so damn well.

They both had 43 points in the first set, and ended the match with 85 points for Rafa to Murray's 83. Very tight, incredible points.

Albop
10-18-2007, 09:41 PM
Sounds like something Glenn would say. You, sir, just lost all (and any) credibility you ever had at MTF.

what??

who wants to copy Glenn??

murray played better than nadal almost all the match and the only thing he got was a tb :o

Duncan
10-18-2007, 09:41 PM
On the other hand....


If Andy can stay injury free til end of season and start next year well it wont be long before this match is a Quarter final and then semi final instead of a 3rd round

spriwi
10-18-2007, 09:42 PM
:yeah: well done rafa :yeah:

:eek: what a tight match, i was sure andy will take rafa into 3rd set when it was 2-4 15-40 in the second, but luckily rafa came back :D :D :D

danton
10-18-2007, 09:42 PM
I think it's clear who watched the match live and who watched the live score. Live score people it's just not the same - that was one hell of a match - Nadal won it Murray played probably the second best match of his career.

Gutted but I think that was really good experience for Andy to play at that intensity for so long.

He needs to sort out break point conversion and his serve - after an hour his first serve seems to go awol.

scoobs
10-18-2007, 09:42 PM
Amazing match. Just 2 points in it, in the end - Rafa won the big points, Andy didn't.

Both played phenomenal tennis.

Well done to Rafa - he earned that one and everyone who watched knows he did - he found some true genius out there when he most needed it.

Andy - commiserations, but you are back and the game is better for it.

I doubt that match will be surpassed this week.

Albop
10-18-2007, 09:43 PM
On the other hand....


If Andy can stay injury free til end of season and start next year well it wont be long before this match is a Quarter final and then semi final instead of a 3rd round

murray is playing much better

just his head .......

Farenhajt
10-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Always good to see Spongehead Squarekilt in his natural element of having some shots, having some moves, but not having play.

Easy meal for a determined professional such as Nadal.

justClaudia
10-18-2007, 09:44 PM
I wish we could see matches like this more often. Congrats to the winner, but to Murray too - he fought well.

dylan24
10-18-2007, 09:45 PM
take that u fucking clown murray
thats what you get for losing to tipsarevic bitch

cmurray
10-18-2007, 09:45 PM
Amazing match. Just 2 points in it, in the end - Rafa won the big points, Andy didn't.

Both played phenomenal tennis.

Well done to Rafa - he earned that one and everyone who watched knows he did - he found some true genius out there when he most needed it.

Andy - commiserations, but you are back and the game is better for it.

I doubt that match will be surpassed this week.

You KNOW there are people on here who would die before giving Rafa credit. Its easier for them to pretend that Murray choked.

Fed Express
10-18-2007, 09:46 PM
They both played a great match. But Murray should have won the second set. Het just gave the break away at 4-3. He het a few easy balls in the net. But great match.

My guess:

Quarters:
Federer d. Koubek/Lopez
Gonzalez d. Kiefer
Djokovic d. Ancic
Nadal d. Nalbandian

Semis
Federer d. Gonzalez
Djokovic d. Nadal

Final
Federer d. Djokovic

MisterQ
10-18-2007, 09:46 PM
Oh, I wish I could watch this. :bigcry:

Congrats Rafa, I'm sure it was a very entertaining encounter.

trixtah
10-18-2007, 09:47 PM
So I'm wondering now if Murray injured anything saving that point and if Rafa's knees will hold up :/

rofe
10-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Murray still has a lot to learn about being offensive and closing out games.

R.Federer
10-18-2007, 09:47 PM
I was expected Nadal to win, but man Murray almost had it. Incredible that he can come back from so many months of injury, have like 10 matches under his belt and play at this level.
How much longer till he gets Nadal's number? Nadal probably knows it too :hatoff:

decrepitude
10-18-2007, 09:47 PM
murray is playing much better

just his head .......

I don't think there was much wrong with Andy's head in this match. The way he battled was incredible I thought, I doubt there is anybody who has the mental intensity of Nadal, but Andy didn't give up.

Only two points in the match - 87-85, and Nadal got the vital two. But Andy is showing what he is capable of, and in a year or so. . .

scoobs
10-18-2007, 09:48 PM
You KNOW there are people on here who would die before giving Rafa credit. Its easier for them to pretend that Murray choked.
Whatever.

I don't care.

I'm immensely proud of Andy's efforts this week and in this match.

This time last week I wouldn't have expected anything like this.

I'm sad he lost but the match was awesome so it's not so bad. Nadal was in a war out there and he came out on top, too good. I don't think either leaves with dishonour.

DhammaTiger
10-18-2007, 09:48 PM
VAMOS RAFA :yippee: Murray played very well but Rafa wanted to win. you could see his determination in the last game of the match, he didn't want a third set. Well done Rafa :woohoo: Viva Espana!!

cmurray
10-18-2007, 09:48 PM
Oh, I wish I could watch this. :bigcry:

Congrats Rafa, I'm sure it was a very entertaining encounter.

Ahh...you missed an EXCELLENT match. Great tennis all over the place. Murray showed why he's going to be a force to be reckoned with and Nadal showed that he does indeed possess mad talent.

MisterQ
10-18-2007, 09:49 PM
Is anyone going to put up a video of this? :)

sawan66278
10-18-2007, 09:49 PM
Bottom line Nadal will be slaughtered by Fed/Nole if doesn't improve.

I beg to COMPLETELY differ. In my opinion, after the first two or three games, it was one of the best matches by far of the year. Rallies ALL OVER THE COURT. Variety, pace, angles, net play, huge serves, slice, backhand smashes, overheads...you name it. It had it. More than anything else, break points were lost because of aggressive play. Each player had to win the point, rather than lose it. You're talking about most points being played well over thirty shots!!!!!!!!!:eek:

It was a complete and utter joy to watch these competitors. Rafa brought his 'A' game...and, I could argue, that from the end of the tiebreak forward, the match may have been the best played match of the year.

Mark my words: Andy Murray, if healthy, will one day be the #1 player in the world. Not to go to crazy with this analogy, but Darth Cheater is Jim Courier...Andy Murray is Pete Sampras.

I wanted Rafa to win...but when the points are SO GOOD...you really don't care as much (at least I don't). Tremendous respect to Andy...The most talented Andy since Andy Griffith.

VAMOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

trixtah
10-18-2007, 09:50 PM
Is anyone going to put up a video of this? :)

I'm sure someone recored it. Then I'm going to DL and watch it again...

Or Levy
10-18-2007, 09:50 PM
So I'm wondering now if Murray injured anything saving that point and if Rafa's knees will hold up :/

I wondered as well. He stopped himself so he wouldn't touch the net, right? Otherwise he would have lost that point.

Looked like he hit his toes or something.

MisterQ
10-18-2007, 09:50 PM
Ahh...you missed an EXCELLENT match. Great tennis all over the place. Murray showed why he's going to be a force to be reckoned with and Nadal showed that he does indeed possess mad talent.

Yeah, the tennis channel's great -- unless you don't get it. :lol:

I loved the Murray/Nadal encounter in Australia too...

cmurray
10-18-2007, 09:52 PM
Whatever.

I don't care.

I'm immensely proud of Andy's efforts this week and in this match.

This time last week I wouldn't have expected anything like this.

I'm sad he lost but the match was awesome so it's not so bad. Nadal was in a war out there and he came out on top, too good. I don't think either leaves with dishonour.

Murray was spectacular. Damn, but that boy can play tennis. :worship:

And Nadal has effectively silenced everyone questioning his form coming into the tournament. That was brilliant and Murray should feel proud for playing like he did. Because even as well as Raf was playing, Muzz was awfully close......

decrepitude
10-18-2007, 09:52 PM
That match was so intense, it should have had a health warning for fans of both players.

Clara Bow
10-18-2007, 09:53 PM
I loved this match.

The thing that struck me is that during break points (which both Rafa and Andy missed a slew of btw) the server just gutted it out.

We can make this all negative, which is what MTF loves to do- but I thought this match was fantastic and I really like both players. So close it was thinner than a hair. These two bring out good play from each other and I enjoy their mutual respect.


Murray has so much game- and during this match Rafa's heart came back Great stuff.

anon57
10-18-2007, 09:53 PM
Great match by both players, they really came up with some great shots. A shame Murray couldn't pull out a 3rd set, I would have loved to see another set of tennis like that but Nadal was really determined to win this match and played the big points better and it made the difference. For anyone saying Murray choked, I thought after losing the break at 4*-3 in the second he would just fade away but he kept fighting for his points and still came up with some great shots, Nadal was just that extra bit better.

wildegirl05
10-18-2007, 09:54 PM
kudos to murray for a great performance after so many months off the tour. and rafa, :worship: for never giving up.

excellent match, by any standards.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 09:54 PM
That match was so intense, it should have had a health warning for fans of both players.

Yeah. And those of us who are fans of both guys nearly had a heart attack. ;)

mangoes
10-18-2007, 09:54 PM
You KNOW there are people on here who would die before giving Rafa credit. Its easier for them to pretend that Murray choked.

Murray didn't choke................Piggy earned that win:lol: :lol: :lol: I think it's been a great day for the Fedtards and Rafatards. Canas got his ass handed to him this morning and Nadal put it all on the line today to earn his win.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-18-2007, 09:56 PM
Murray was spectacular. Damn, but that boy can play tennis. :worship:

And Nadal has effectively silenced everyone questioning his form coming into the tournament. That was brilliant and Murray should feel proud for playing like he did. Because even as well as Raf was playing, Muzz was awfully close......

Agreed

Sunset of Age
10-18-2007, 09:57 PM
Murray didn't choke................Piggy earned that win:lol: :lol: :lol: I think it's been a great day for the Fedtards and Rafatards. Canas got his ass handed to him this morning and Nadal put it all on the line today to earn his win.

You can't even start to imagine what a lovely day it was for me. :lol:
Being a FedalTard sure has its advantages. :angel:

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-18-2007, 09:57 PM
Murray was spectacular. Damn, but that boy can play tennis. :worship:

And Nadal has effectively silenced everyone questioning his form coming into the tournament. That was brilliant and Murray should feel proud for playing like he did. Because even as well as Raf was playing, Muzz was awfully close......

This is rare..but I completely agree.

One of the best matches of the year and both men deserve full praise.

Murray :worship:
Nadal :worship:

Great heart and determination by both and some of the rallies and angles were unbelievable.

LeChuck
10-18-2007, 09:59 PM
That was a very enjoyable match indeed, and both players were excellent. If I was Murray, I would be disappointed that I couldn't take the match into a 3rd set, but on the whole, the rallies and defensive qualities on show were entertaining to watch.

Bascule
10-18-2007, 09:59 PM
Always good to see Spongehead Squarekilt in his natural element of having some shots, having some moves, but not having play.

Easy meal for a determined professional such as Nadal.

Don't be so cruel. Poor Squarekilt really HAD some shots, but lately not smart ones.
Anyway, beautiful match. Shame on Scot for giving away second set.

Jade Fox
10-18-2007, 10:00 PM
You KNOW there are people on here who would die before giving Rafa credit. Its easier for them to pretend that Murray choked.

Rafa, a tennis player? I thought he was just some third world moonballer who picks his ass like he's got gold in there.:rolleyes: :p

Adler
10-18-2007, 10:00 PM
Really, really high quality match. Murray just couldn't finish the job, talent is not everything we see

Or Levy
10-18-2007, 10:00 PM
Mark my words: Andy Murray, if healthy, will one day be the #1 player in the world. Not to go to crazy with this analogy, but Darth Cheater is Jim Courier...Andy Murray is Pete Sampras.

VAMOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has more tennis than Nole does, I think. But his mentality is not quite there yet.

mangoes
10-18-2007, 10:01 PM
You can't even start to imagine what a lovely day it was for me. :lol:
Being a FedalTard sure has its advantages. :angel:

:lol: :lol: :lol: You are definitely the winner today:lol:

Bilbo
10-18-2007, 10:01 PM
expected one

jasmin
10-18-2007, 10:02 PM
I'm sure Murray's coach is happy...I swear when will Murray's mental catch up to his skills. Good luck with that.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 10:02 PM
Murray didn't choke................Piggy earned that win:lol: :lol: :lol: I think it's been a great day for the Fedtards and Rafatards. Canas got his ass handed to him this morning and Nadal put it all on the line today to earn his win.

You bet he did. That was Rafa at his off-clay best.

On Fed/Canas - ranking points aside, it was kinda fun to see Roger in "GodFed" mode. Damn that was some scary stuff. :lol:

R.Federer
10-18-2007, 10:02 PM
I'm sure Murray's coach is happy...I swear when will Murray's mental catch up to his skills. Good luck with that.
Nothing satisfies the Gilbert other than a W

jasmin
10-18-2007, 10:05 PM
Nothing satisfies the Gilbert other than a W

I know:D I can see him ragging about it.

I'm not a Gilbert fan but I do like Murray and even Nadal (minus his quirks).

On mental side of it this result is expected.

mangoes
10-18-2007, 10:08 PM
You bet he did. That was Rafa at his off-clay best.

On Fed/Canas - ranking points aside, it was kinda fun to see Roger in "GodFed" mode. Damn that was some scary stuff. :lol:

Ranking points aside, it was a great day of tennis for me. Roger was simply fantastic this morning and I really enjoyed Nadal's match this evening. A very good day for the top two guys.

Apemant
10-18-2007, 10:12 PM
Gotta admit Nadal did play some good tennis today... aside of being his usual never-say-die self. It's not even that Andy choked, he saved great many BPs with some excellent shotmaking and volleying. Entertaining stuff there.

SwiSha
10-18-2007, 10:13 PM
Murray is really a good player

that was a good match to watch

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 10:14 PM
So wank-onator starts all thread around here? Talk about not having a life.

Murray so you can't put a single 1st serve in when you feel any pressure? :rolleyes:

Freaking boring match.

Mugray lost to learn how not to be a freaking mug. Which kind of strategy is this where you play defensive against Nadal? :retard: Not only choked but also made ridiculous shots when broken and the way he lost the SP in the first set was beyond idiotic. How many lost BPs in the first games of the first set? Definitely more than 5. Appaling. If that's Brad Gilbert's strategy, then the guy is fucking dumb as a door.

What a wussy. Any decent player would have beaten that moonballer today.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 10:16 PM
Gotta admit Nadal did play some good tennis today... aside of being his usual never-say-die self. It's not even that Andy choked, he saved great many BPs with some excellent shotmaking and volleying. Entertaining stuff there.

Absolutely. I think its nice when Rafa shows people that he can play great even off clay.

I realize I'm gushing, but when my two favorite players play THAT well, I just can't help myself. :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-18-2007, 10:16 PM
Ranking points aside, it was a great day of tennis for me. Roger was simply fantastic this morning and I really enjoyed Nadal's match this evening. A very good day for the top two guys.

Indeed it was! I can't wait for coming Sunday, as I know fully expect them both to appear in the final... oops, hope I'm not jinxing any of the two here... :lol:
Seriously, Nole hasn't been impressing me that much so far, and if Raf plays him like he played today, Nole should not be any kind of trouble for him. Assuming both of them make the semifinal, of course. :angel:
As for Rogi I'd be quite surprised if he doesn't get to the final if he continues to play in Ninja Mode like he did today.

What a day it was, indeed... :inlove:

Sunset of Age
10-18-2007, 10:19 PM
Freaking boring match.

Mugray lost to learn how not to be a freaking mug. Which kind of strategy is this where you play defensive against Nadal? :retard: Not only choked but also made ridiculous shots when broken and the way he lost the SP in the first set was beyond idiotic. How many lost BPs in the first games of the first set? Definitely more than 5. Appaling. If that's Brad Gilbert's strategy, then the guy is fucking dumb as a door.

What a wussy. Any decent player would have beaten that moonballer today.

Glenn, I usually think your troll attempts have quite some entertainment value, but in this case, you're truly making no sense at all... :ras:

Johnny Groove
10-18-2007, 10:22 PM
Glenn, I usually think your troll attempts have quite some entertainment value, but in this case, you're truly making no sense at all... :ras:

You seem to be easily entertained

Kuhne
10-18-2007, 10:23 PM
Ahh, good old Rafa fans, never dissapoint with their enthusiasm!

when Rafa pulls a match out of his ass thanks to the choking of his opponent (or like in wimbledon when he won against Youzny and Djokovic thanks to injuries) they never fail to give us their "Oh wow! what a heart! Rafa! spartan king!

but when Roger clearly shows heart and owns both rafa and djoko in Wimby and US open finals, oooh what a lucky fucker federer is.

Thanks guys you make my day.

as for my comment on this match.

Congrats Rafa on beating annoying ass Murray, please get to the final

trixtah
10-18-2007, 10:24 PM
So wank-onator starts all thread around here? Talk about not having a life.

Murray so you can't put a single 1st serve in when you feel any pressure? :rolleyes:

Freaking boring match.

Mugray lost to learn how not to be a freaking mug. Which kind of strategy is this where you play defensive against Nadal? :retard: Not only choked but also made ridiculous shots when broken and the way he lost the SP in the first set was beyond idiotic. How many lost BPs in the first games of the first set? Definitely more than 5. Appaling. If that's Brad Gilbert's strategy, then the guy is fucking dumb as a door.

What a wussy. Any decent player would have beaten that moonballer today.

Expected post. Another livescores watcher.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 10:25 PM
Glenn, I usually think your troll attempts have quite some entertainment value, but in this case, you're truly making no sense at all... :ras:

No troll attempt. Just an objective view on Murray's choking.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 10:27 PM
Ahh, good old Rafa fans, never dissapoint with their enthusiasm!

when Rafa pulls a match out of his ass thanks to the choking of his opponent (or like in wimbledon when he won against Youzny and Djokovic thanks to injuries) they never fail to give us their "Oh wow! what a heart! Rafa! spartan king!

but when Roger clearly shows heart and owns both rafa and djoko in Wimby and US open finals, oooh what a lucky fucker federer is.

Thanks guys you make my day.

as for my comment on this match.

Congrats Rafa on beating annoying ass Murray, please get to the final

What utter drivel.

trixtah
10-18-2007, 10:27 PM
No troll attempt. Just an objective view on Murray's choking.

You mean "subjective." A post clearly full of bias is not objective. Keep watching livescores and making comments, you might actually happen to make a comment that has relevance to a match one of these days!

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 10:28 PM
Expected post. Another livescores watcher.

I actually watched the match.

Did you manage to fool your boss at the laundry to watch the game, Yuang Sun? :rolleyes:

trixtah
10-18-2007, 10:29 PM
I actually watched the match.

Did you manage to fool your boss at the laundry to watch the game, Yuang Sun? :rolleyes:

Yes, I did. He let me off early. See? Your jokes just aren't funny to anyone but yourself :wavey:

fmolinari2005
10-18-2007, 10:29 PM
So wank-onator starts all thread around here? Talk about not having a life.

Murray so you can't put a single 1st serve in when you feel any pressure? :rolleyes:

Freaking boring match.

Mugray lost to learn how not to be a freaking mug. Which kind of strategy is this where you play defensive against Nadal? :retard: Not only choked but also made ridiculous shots when broken and the way he lost the SP in the first set was beyond idiotic. How many lost BPs in the first games of the first set? Definitely more than 5. Appaling. If that's Brad Gilbert's strategy, then the guy is fucking dumb as a door.

What a wussy. Any decent player would have beaten that moonballer today.


Mugs and chokes aside, you might have a point. It was a battle of the moonballers. Good rallies, but it was a match of who would defend better than who attacks better.

I am very surprised with Murray's fitness. For a guy that used to puke after playing two games, he is getting fitter and fitter.

mangoes
10-18-2007, 10:29 PM
Indeed it was! I can't wait for coming Sunday, as I know fully expect them both to appear in the final... oops, hope I'm not jinxing any of the two here... :lol:
Seriously, Nole hasn't been impressing me that much so far, and if Raf plays him like he played today, Nole should not be any kind of trouble for him. Assuming both of them make the semifinal, of course. :angel:
As for Rogi I'd be quite surprised if he doesn't get to the final if he continues to play in Ninja Mode like he did today.

What a day it was, indeed... :inlove:

Well, I'm one of the few who never enjoy their matches:lol: :lol: I never predict Roger in the final(as not to jinx him). I expect either Nadal or Djokovic. Djokovic hasn't really been pressed as yet to take his game to another level. Against Nadal, things will be interesting. Today, I do think he would have gotten at least one of those BPs early in the 1st set. Today, I knew that when it came to the big points, Nadal would be the stronger player. Between Nadal and Djokovic, it's never so clear who would take the big points. One thing for sure, the match would have gone to a 3rd set if it were Nadal and Djokovic today......or not:lol: :lol:

cmurray
10-18-2007, 10:30 PM
You mean "subjective." A post clearly full of bias is not objective. Keep watching livescores and making comments, you might actually happen to make a comment that has relevance to a match one of these days!

You're giving Glenn too much credit, trixtah. You've assumed that if he'd actually watched the match he might make an intelligent and informed opinion. I contend that he DID watch the match and STILL came out with that garbage.

edited to add - I see that I was correct. He DID watch the match.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 10:33 PM
Mugs and chokes aside, you might have a point. It was a battle of the moonballers. Good rallies, but it was a match of who would defend better than who attacks better.

I am very surprised with Murray's fitness. For a guy that used to puke after playing two games, he is getting fitter and fitter.

Fitness? He was visibly tired at the end...

You're giving Glenn too much credit, trixtah. You've assumed that if he'd actually watched the match he might make an intelligent and informed opinion. I contend that he DID watch the match and STILL came out with that garbage.

My point is perfect. Murray dominated the match and choked when it mattered. If you can't see that I suggest a call to your optometrist.

Forehander
10-18-2007, 10:35 PM
I couldn't see the Federer match but I saw this one. I wouldn't say it was a totally amazing match, seems to me people are exaggerating it a bit or maybe in general everybody just have different taste as tennis spectators. To me, it was just an average match with some good points here and there. Murry showed us some of his potential tennis of what he's capable of, he was actually dominating most of the points, and Nadal once again showed a great display of ambidextrous tennis with the usual near perfect defense. Nice win for Rafael, hope he can play Federer in final.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 10:36 PM
Fitness? He was visibly tired at the end...



My point is perfect. Murray dominated the match and choked when it mattered. If you can't see that I suggest a call to your optometrist.

Yes. Winning 85 points to nadal's 87 is CLEARLY dominating the match. Whatever was I thinking?

Fergie
10-18-2007, 10:37 PM
Nice choke Andy :retard:

But was a very good match to watch :p

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 10:39 PM
Yes. Winning 85 points to nadal's 87 is CLEARLY dominating the match. Whatever was I thinking?

You obviously haven't watched the match. Murray, even moonballing himself, had the initiative all the time.

Next time learn dominating = having the initiative, not winning all the points. :rolleyes:

trixtah
10-18-2007, 10:42 PM
You obviously haven't watched the match. Murray, even moonballing himself, had the initiative all the time.

Next time learn dominating = having the initiative, not winning all the points. :rolleyes:

Dominating = having the initiative but losing the points? Ohhh I get it now. I'm starting to think like you...wait...where am I? Why am I imagining Radek's penis in my mouth?

cmurray
10-18-2007, 10:43 PM
You obviously haven't watched the match. Murray, even moonballing himself, had the initiative all the time.

Next time learn dominating = having the initiative, not winning all the points. :rolleyes:

Yes. he was in COMPLETE control. I'm glad you're here to teach us all about tennis. :hug:

StevoTG
10-18-2007, 10:43 PM
Quality tennis match!
Well done Rafa!!

scoobs
10-18-2007, 10:44 PM
cmurray - I admire your efforts in the face of a hopeless cause but you'll be here all night...

fmolinari2005
10-18-2007, 10:44 PM
Fitness? He was visibly tired at the end...



And so was Nadal. But one year ago Murray would make one set competitive and then would check out physically against Rafa ... (on paper, because they played for the first time this year)

Yes. Winning 85 points to nadal's 87 is CLEARLY dominating the match. Whatever was I thinking?

If you consider that Nadal won the match 7-6 6-4 it is impressive. I mean: to win a tie-break and to break a serve you have to at least win two more points in each scenario, adding up to 4 points. So, Murray won more "smaller" points than Nadal, because the difference was only two points. Which, unfortunatelly, helps Glenn's choking theory. LOL

Sunset of Age
10-18-2007, 10:47 PM
And so was Nadal. But one year ago Murray would make one set competitive and then would check out physically against Rafa ... (on paper, because they played for the first time this year)


You forgot this year's AO. :angel:

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 10:47 PM
Props to Rafael, hell of a match. :hatoff:

Muzza was good but he was better in Melbourne. In the first set his serve was brilliant but his play was disappointing. However in the second set I thought this reversed and his shotmaking was excellent but his serve poor. He needed both working at the same time and it didn't happen. He missed key BHs at 4-2* which would have sealed the set.

Nadal was at his best on indoors though, really good tennis overall.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 10:48 PM
cmurray - I admire your efforts in the face of a hopeless cause but you'll be here all night...

sigh. I know - I'd already given up. Anyone who would call that match boring is a lost cause.

fmolinari2005
10-18-2007, 10:51 PM
You forgot this year's AO. :angel:


I meant that their first meeting happened this year (since I was wondering about what would happen if Murray played Nadal last year). Not that today's match was their first match. ;)

Sunset of Age
10-18-2007, 10:54 PM
I meant that their first meeting happened this year (since I was wondering about what would happen if Murray played Nadal last year). Not that today's match was their first match. ;)

Ah, I see. :D
I think I get your point, and that's quite what I said before - one year ago, Andy would probably have choked after that first set TB loss in stead of fighting on, which he did today, so he's obviously improving on the mental part of the game. Raf was just better on the points that mattered, but Andy surely gave him a good match.

Merton
10-18-2007, 11:00 PM
A match between two capital players.

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 11:01 PM
Nadal was playing his best tennis I feel- yet Murray kept even with him all the way. I just wish he had both the serve and the shots at the same time instead of only one in each set.

tangerine_dream
10-18-2007, 11:07 PM
:cool:

Nadal clinches spectacular win over Murray
By Simon Baskett

MADRID (Reuters) - World number two Rafael Nadal clinched a spectacular 7-6 6-4 victory over Britain's Andy Murray to claim a place in the quarter-finals of the Madrid Masters on Thursday.

The two men played some superb tennis as they slugged it out in front of a packed crowd at the Madrid Arena, but it was 2005 champion Nadal who managed to edge victory over the Scot.

Nadal had edged a five-set epic on the only previous occasion the two players met in the last 16 of the Australian Open at the start of the year and this was almost as dramatic.

Murray made a confident start, slamming down two aces to take the opening game and then giving Nadal plenty of problems on his serve with some brilliant returns.

But with Murray failing to convert five break points in the early games, Nadal grew in confidence and eventually edged the set on a tie-break.

It was nip-and-tuck in the second set with both players losing their serve on two occasions as they were locked at four games all, but Nadal had the greater reserves and claimed the match-winning break in the 10th.

The Spaniard now meets David Nalbandian who beat fellow Argentine Juan Martin del Potro 6-2 6-4 earlier in the day.

scoobs
10-18-2007, 11:08 PM
So we finally have a live Nalbandian-Nadal live match

They played in exo earlier this year I gather which Nadal won but finally they meet officially.

Merton
10-18-2007, 11:08 PM
Mugs and chokes aside, you might have a point. It was a battle of the moonballers. Good rallies, but it was a match of who would defend better than who attacks better.

I am very surprised with Murray's fitness. For a guy that used to puke after playing two games, he is getting fitter and fitter.

Both players were trying to pick their spots to attack, this is not the same as merely counterpunching. Each player has to play according to the style he is more comfortable with, nothing wrong with Murray picking his spots, he will not turn to Blake all of a sudden. As for Nadal, he was as aggressive as I have ever seen him indoors, in particular he played a lot of down the line forehands. Great stuff overall.

smitty8
10-18-2007, 11:11 PM
This Murray is good.
Seriously, that was one of the best matches of the year. :worship: I am so glad I got most of my work out of the way before it came on and that I bought Masters Series tv and that I took my laptop to work so I could watch it. Murray should've taken the second set, for sure.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 11:12 PM
Both players were trying to pick their spots to attack, this is not the same as merely counterpunching. Each player has to play according to the style he is more comfortable with, nothing wrong with Murray picking his spots, he will not turn to Blake all of a sudden. As for Nadal, he was as aggressive as I have ever seen him indoors, in particular he played a lot of down the line forehands. Great stuff overall.

Don't bother trying to reason with them. :rolleyes:

KaxMisha
10-18-2007, 11:15 PM
sigh. I know - I'd already given up. Anyone who would call that match boring is a lost cause.

Come on, don't make sweeping generalizations like that. It depends a whole lot on the kind of tennis you like to see. To me, this match was not very spectacular and yes - pretty boring. Yes, most rallies were long, but truth be told, they were long (most of the time) not because both players went for winners which the other retrieved (though that obviously happened too and there definitely were some great points in it), but because both Nadal and Murray are players who play with a rather high margin of error. Nothing wrong with that, but that kind of game just doesn't do much for me. I'm not saying they aren't both very good players (though I personally don't like either for their boring games), but being good and being entertaining is not the same thing. I much prefer watching Lopez bomb crazy forehand winners (and thanks to Costa, even a few backhand winners - :kiss: Albert) against Koubek, even though the average length of the rallies is less than one third of the Nadal-Murray match. For each his own Cheryl!

Oh, and as for the choking aspect - you can't say Murray didn't choke away that second set. At 4-2*, 40-15, he missed two successive shots for no reason at all. Still, I believe Nadal would have won a third set comfortably, so I really don't think it changed much, but saying the turnaround from 2-4 to 6-4 was solely a result of Nadal's own game just isn't true.

Veronique
10-18-2007, 11:17 PM
I'm glad the general consensus is that this was a very good and entertaining match. Murray is so talented and could have beaten Nadal today. His shotmaking ability is quite remarkable. I can't wait to see him play a full season next year.

All credit to Rafito though. He came with some unbelievable play when it mattered. Bring on Nalbandian!

Rumour
10-18-2007, 11:22 PM
A highly competitive and entertaining match from both players :clap2:
Too bad Murray couldn't at least stretch it to a third but props to Nadal for raising his level when it counted to win in straights. TSN definitely chose the right time to air live tennis from Madrid for the first time this tourny and save me from squinting at yet another delayed video stream on my laptop :)

FluffyYellowBall
10-18-2007, 11:30 PM
i had to go down in the middle of the 3rd set...What happened? Did raf serve the match out or did murray choke and 4-5????

Goonergal
10-18-2007, 11:32 PM
Andy :sobbing: Once that chance for 5-2 was gone the match was over :sad: But, really entertaining. Well done Rafa :)

leng jai
10-18-2007, 11:35 PM
The match was pretty good but at the end of the day its still moonball tennis which is not everyone's cup of tea.

guga2120
10-18-2007, 11:42 PM
Very good match, both were hitting some great shots. Andy Murray has so much talent he just can not put it all together yet.

Cat123
10-18-2007, 11:46 PM
I'd rather see players fighting dirty and winning ugly, than doing it with super control and finesse a la Federer. Both styles have their merits, it's just a preference. I thought this match was throughly entertaining and I can't wait for their next meeting :D

Svetlana.
10-18-2007, 11:49 PM
It was one of the best matches I've seen this year.

I'm glad to see Andy is back and playing impressive tennis. Too bad he lost!

cmurray
10-18-2007, 11:57 PM
Come on, don't make sweeping generalizations like that. It depends a whole lot on the kind of tennis you like to see. To me, this match was not very spectacular and yes - pretty boring. Yes, most rallies were long, but truth be told, they were long (most of the time) not because both players went for winners which the other retrieved (though that obviously happened to and there definitely were some great points in it), but because both Nadal and Murray are players who play with a rather high margin of error. Nothing wrong with that, but that kind of game just doesn't do much for me. I'm not saying they aren't both very good players (though I personally don't like either for their boring games), but being good and being entertaining is not the same thing. I much prefer watching Lopez bomb crazy forehand winners (and thanks to Costa, even a few backhand winners - :kiss: Albert) against Koubek, even though the average length of the rallies is less than one third of the Nadal-Murray match. For each his own Cheryl!

Oh, and as for the choking aspect - you can't say Murray didn't choke away that second set. At 4-2*, 40-15, he missed two successive shots for no reason at all. Still, I believe Nadal would have won a third set comfortably, so I really don't think it changed much, but saying the turnaround from 2-4 to 6-4 was solely a result of Nadal's own game just isn't true.

I was being tongue-in-cheek specifically in reference to an idiotic post by GlennMirnyi. I realize that everyone has a difference of opinion. Sorry if I sounded high-handed.

connectolove
10-18-2007, 11:59 PM
Well Done Rafa!!!!!

rocketassist
10-19-2007, 12:00 AM
It was great tennis, albeit the outcome was bitterly disappointing.

adee-gee
10-19-2007, 12:16 AM
Thank god I actually saw the match (although on delay) and didn't just read this thread. What the fuck is that 1st page?

An outstanding match. A few too many errors, but they had some truly incredible points. One of the best matches I've seen this year. Murray was very unlucky to lose in 2, he really did play exceptionally well at times. Nothing at all to be ashamed off, if Nadal played like he did against Baggy he would've wiped the floor with him. He forced Nadal to play something close to his best. Also, it's great to see his 1st serve back to being a weapon again. I know he got broken quite a few times, but when he really went for his 1st serve it was hugely effective. Great effort and a good tourney, no-one will want to face him in Bercy.

As for Rafa, absolutely awesome. Only complaint is a few too many needless unforced errors (especially off the forehand), and possibly his length could've been better at times, but it's only minor complaints. Great to see him play like that again, probably his best performance since Wimbledon. That reach on the forehand at bp down at 4-4 in the 2nd was one of the most amazing shots, and followed with the drop shot. Also the set point in the 1st set, truly incredible. Hopefully he keeps it up against Nalbandian, I think he should win but Nalbandian's backhand matches up well with Nadal's CC forehand.

Superb match, :yeah: to both players.

Gulliver
10-19-2007, 12:49 AM
I found the match incredibly tiring to watch, and, at times, tiresome.

It appeared that the strategy for both was to keep the ball in play as long as possible with both rarely willing to go for a shot to win the point. When one eventually did, then the scrambling started, and yes, there were some excellent shots and gets but these were few and far between. Taking 2 and 1/4 hours for 2 sets with inordinately long rallies does not indicate two brilliant players who were closely matched, but to weaknesses in holding serve, converting break points and being slow to step it up and identify the moment to go for the kill. Moonballing corner to corner or down the middle and very little change in pace for long stretches at a time, lost my close attention until there was a foray to the net or a drop shot to break the tedium.

Nadal won because his execution was generally better than Murray's, and Murray lost because he was not plotting far enough ahead or being proactive when it counted.

But I accept that others will have been enthralled. I just like a more attacking game and one less like a Chinese water torture :)

krystlel
10-19-2007, 01:38 AM
What a match. Both players played extremely well and there were so many entertaining rallies. It was just a couple of points here and there that decided the outcome with so many games being closely contested. I really enjoy the Murray-Nadal matchup, and look forward to their encounters in the future.

Corey Feldman
10-19-2007, 01:42 AM
Next time Nadal, next time..

cmurray
10-19-2007, 01:48 AM
Next time Nadal, next time..

Sorry, Escude. :hug:

That was a real barnstormer, though, wasn't it? Murray played a really good match.

Corey Feldman
10-19-2007, 01:54 AM
Yep CMUzz.. i watched bits of it...

just annoyed that he cannot take many of his BPS, even if it is against hard as nails pressure player like Rafa, 2nd set here was just too similiar to the 2nd set Vs Tipsarevic in Moscow.

toughen up Andy :(

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 02:00 AM
And so was Nadal. But one year ago Murray would make one set competitive and then would check out physically against Rafa ... (on paper, because they played for the first time this year)

If you consider that Nadal won the match 7-6 6-4 it is impressive. I mean: to win a tie-break and to break a serve you have to at least win two more points in each scenario, adding up to 4 points. So, Murray won more "smaller" points than Nadal, because the difference was only two points. Which, unfortunatelly, helps Glenn's choking theory. LOL

But in the AO he had 2 sets to 1 at some point. Today that would have won him the match.

Both players were trying to pick their spots to attack, this is not the same as merely counterpunching. Each player has to play according to the style he is more comfortable with, nothing wrong with Murray picking his spots, he will not turn to Blake all of a sudden. As for Nadal, he was as aggressive as I have ever seen him indoors, in particular he played a lot of down the line forehands. Great stuff overall.

Murray can be aggressive if he wants, but he surely wasn't all match long. The few points where he went for winners, he won.

Come on, don't make sweeping generalizations like that. It depends a whole lot on the kind of tennis you like to see. To me, this match was not very spectacular and yes - pretty boring. Yes, most rallies were long, but truth be told, they were long (most of the time) not because both players went for winners which the other retrieved (though that obviously happened too and there definitely were some great points in it), but because both Nadal and Murray are players who play with a rather high margin of error. Nothing wrong with that, but that kind of game just doesn't do much for me. I'm not saying they aren't both very good players (though I personally don't like either for their boring games), but being good and being entertaining is not the same thing. I much prefer watching Lopez bomb crazy forehand winners (and thanks to Costa, even a few backhand winners - :kiss: Albert) against Koubek, even though the average length of the rallies is less than one third of the Nadal-Murray match. For each his own Cheryl!

Oh, and as for the choking aspect - you can't say Murray didn't choke away that second set. At 4-2*, 40-15, he missed two successive shots for no reason at all. Still, I believe Nadal would have won a third set comfortably, so I really don't think it changed much, but saying the turnaround from 2-4 to 6-4 was solely a result of Nadal's own game just isn't true.

True. Lopez vs Koubek was a much better match.

cmurray
10-19-2007, 02:01 AM
Yep CMUzz.. i watched bits of it...

just annoyed that he cannot take many of his BPS, even if it is against hard as nails pressure player like Rafa, 2nd set here was just too similiar to the 2nd set Vs Tipsarevic in Moscow.

toughen up Andy :(

I think it'll come. He has all the talent, intelligence and creativity to become a true champion. He reminds me a little bit of Federer at that age, actually. Feds had bales of talent, but he couldn't keep it together mentally. Give Muzz some time.

Incidentally, I was cheering for both of them. :rolleyes: I'm so wishy washy. :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-19-2007, 02:07 AM
I think it'll come. He has all the talent, intelligence and creativity to become a true champion. He reminds me a little bit of Federer at that age, actually. Feds had bales of talent, but he couldn't keep it together mentally. Give Muzz some time.


I sure hope you're right about that! The guy is obviously talented, just needs a little more versatility in the mental department, not unlike Fed at that age indeed.

Corey Feldman
10-19-2007, 02:07 AM
BPS and Game Points i should have said..........

i wish he had a serve like old Pistol Pete

instead of Mary Muzza.

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 02:10 AM
BPS and Game Points i should have said..........

i wish he had a serve like old Pistol Pete

instead of Mary Muzza.

His first serve is good, but it means nothing if he can't get a first serve in at clutch points.

cmurray
10-19-2007, 02:15 AM
His first serve is good, but it means nothing if he can't get a first serve in at clutch points.

For once I agree with you. His first serve percentage is way too low most of the time.

CyBorg
10-19-2007, 02:46 AM
Never in doubt. Rafa with the crowd on his side means a birth in the final at least.

trixtah
10-19-2007, 02:46 AM
Like Roger at Montreal? Fuck that, sometimes you can't get a first serve. As long as he isn't double faulting on BPs :X Won't bother quoting...youuu know who I'm talking to.

MCL
10-19-2007, 02:54 AM
:hatoff: to Rafa for beating a tough opponent

I had to leave near the end of the first set but it was a very tight match at that point. I was really worried that Rafa would lose but I'm so happy to see that he pulled through. :)

I'm rooting for him to win the tournament even though it's unlikely.

Marek.
10-19-2007, 02:55 AM
Rafa with the crowd on his side means a birth in the final at least.

Didn't work last year. :shrug:

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 02:57 AM
Didn't work last year. :shrug:

Yeah, but this year he's facing clowns all the way through.

Sunset of Age
10-19-2007, 02:58 AM
Yeah, but this year he's facing clowns all the way through.

A lot of those 'clowns' didn't even make it through the first round,so how do you think they'd do against Rafa in his current form? :p

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 03:00 AM
A lot of those 'clowns' didn't even make it through the first round,so how do you think they'd do against Rafa in his current form? :p

Berdych would school him anyway, so would Blake. It's about match-ups.

Sunset of Age
10-19-2007, 03:03 AM
Berdych would school him anyway, so would Blake. It's about match-ups.

Yeah, you're right that they are bad match-ups for Raf, but what are we talking about if 1) Berdych is a true :retard: headcase, and 2) Blake has no game plan at all, so they both lose before they even get the opportunity to meet him?
Oh I see. Raf is a lucky bastard, eh? :lol: :ras:

Corey Feldman
10-19-2007, 03:04 AM
Like Roger at Montreal? Fuck that, sometimes you can't get a first serve. As long as he isn't double faulting on BPs :X Won't bother quoting...youuu know who I'm talking to.Actually i dont, so could you say the name

:p:p:p

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 03:06 AM
Yeah, you're right that they are bad match-ups for Raf, but what are we talking about if 1) Berdych is a true :retard: headcase, and 2) Blake has no game plan at all, so they both lose before they even get the opportunity to meet him?
Oh I see. Raf is a lucky bastard, eh? :lol: :ras:

Berdych you idiot... 6/4 4/0... :mad:

Blake doesn't need a game plan to defeat Nadal. :p

leng jai
10-19-2007, 03:14 AM
Blake beats Nadal because his hot tactic of standing up to the service box to return actually works against Nadal.

Corey Feldman
10-19-2007, 03:15 AM
Berdych would school him anyway, so would Blake. It's about match-ups.Just ask adeegee about match ups, eh Glenn

;)

mangoes
10-19-2007, 03:17 AM
Yeah, you're right that they are bad match-ups for Raf, but what are we talking about if 1) Berdych is a true :retard: headcase, and 2) Blake has no game plan at all, so they both lose before they even get the opportunity to meet him?
Oh I see. Raf is a lucky bastard, eh? :lol: :ras:

Berdych:mad: :mad: If he doesn't start tightening the screws in his brain, he'll be another Malisse, Mathieu:o I'm so annoyed he went out early. He should be securely in the top 10 already......he and Gasquet:mad:

Blake is a headcase, but he doesn't exactly need to map out a game plan to beat Nadal. He just has Nadal's number......bad match up.

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2007, 03:21 AM
Blake beats Nadal because his hot tactic of standing up to the service box to return actually works against Nadal.

Love to see him doing that against Karlovic :lol:

Just ask adeegee about match ups, eh Glenn

;)

No use mate, we all know it's no use... :p

Merton
10-19-2007, 03:29 AM
Berdych you idiot... 6/4 4/0... :mad:

Blake doesn't need a game plan to defeat Nadal. :p

Berdych:mad: :mad: If he doesn't start tightening the screws in his brain, he'll be another Mathieu:o I'm so annoyed he went out early. He should be securely in the top 10 already......he and Gasquet:mad:

Blake is a headcase, but he doesn't exactly need to map out a game plan to beat Nadal. He just has Nadal's number......bad match up.

I am so happy I didn't see the match against Nalbandian :o

The Grandmaster is a nightmare matchup against Nadal, since it is unlikely they will ever meet on clay it is quite possible that Nadal will never score a win against Blake. Of course James can always spray balls all over against anyone, so no dead certainty :p

ChinoRios4Ever
10-19-2007, 03:48 AM
great match

congrats Rafa :yeah:

trixtah
10-19-2007, 04:58 AM
Actually i dont, so could you say the name

:p:p:p

not you, bro haha don't flatter yourself. I only flame the true troll king :)

HarryMan
10-19-2007, 06:52 AM
Wow!What a match !I betted on Murray to win it in three sets,but I must say I am not that dissapointed in losing this Money because of the quality of tennis in this match. I mean Murray is a future champion for sure,he proved it again in this match but Nadal was just too good in the clutch situations.I wouldn't mind watching more matches of these two players in the future.

Murray has some great things instore for him if he can keep himself fit throughout the year.

Nadal again proves why is he such a phenomena on the clay courts,I am sure this never say die attitude will make him almost unplayable like the last three years once the clay courts season hits early next year,but he is not that bad a hardcourt player too.

Apemant
10-19-2007, 10:15 AM
For once I agree with you. His first serve percentage is way too low most of the time.

It's not actually THAT... even 50% is good enough IF you get the 1st serve in crucial moments. (Example: Canas in Miami only had 50% first serves against Fed. But hit many 1st serve winners on BPs). But with Murray it's the other way around... on game points and on break points he often produces 2nd serves. Which is kind of odd, since he doesn't strike me as a choker - just a headcase. :devil: I mean, he did save many BPs with some serious courage, even after 2nd serves - which he normally won less than 50% of the time. That means he doesn't get too tight on BPs; he just often seems unable to find his best serve when he needs it most.

blessed
10-19-2007, 12:02 PM
kudos to murray for a great performance after so many months off the tour. and rafa, :worship: for never giving up.

excellent match, by any standards.

I agree, except I have to add: Rafa was coming into this tournament after 6wks off to recover from tendonitis - he is not fully fit yet. Andy has played in 2 [yes, 2] tournaments before Madrid. Andy is fully fit, Rafa is not. Mental strength is something you're born with - you either have it or you don't. If Andy doesn't have it yet, my guess is he never will- you have to have the mental strength to take the big points now, while young. This is what differentiates a merely good, and a great player. This is after all his second year on the tour. I have to say that I doubt that A Murray will ever be No 1. I still remember the licking that Djokovic gave him when Andy was fully fit - no injuries. Not a good sign.

t0x
10-19-2007, 12:07 PM
Close match...

Rafa was just that bit mentally stronger and managed to win more of the big points. Andy could easily of won this match and I'm sure in the near future he will be winning matches like this.

KaxMisha
10-19-2007, 12:55 PM
I agree, except I have to add: Rafa was coming into this tournament after 6wks off to recover from tendonitis - he is not fully fit yet. Andy has played in 2 [yes, 2] tournaments before Madrid. Andy is fully fit, Rafa is not. Mental strength is something you're born with - you either have it or you don't. If Andy doesn't have it yet, my guess is he never will- you have to have the mental strength to take the big points now, while young. This is what differentiates a merely good, and a great player. This is after all his second year on the tour. I have to say that I doubt that A Murray will ever be No 1. I still remember the licking that Djokovic gave him when Andy was fully fit - no injuries. Not a good sign.

Not saying that I disagree about Murray, but as for the bolded part - have you ever heard of a guy named Federer? :rolleyes:

amierin
10-19-2007, 01:07 PM
Are you KIDDING me? That match was incredible!!!! Murray was amazing. Nadal won that match, Murray didn't lose it.

Absolutely correct. Great match play by both men.

stebs
10-19-2007, 01:09 PM
Amazing points in that match. Points Nadal pulled out on set point in the breaker, BP down at 4-4 in the second. Simply out of this world.

Murray certainly shouldn't have lost the match in straights but that's life.

Mateya
10-19-2007, 03:13 PM
Berdych:mad: :mad: If he doesn't start tightening the screws in his brain, he'll be another Malisse, Mathieu :o

What do Malisse and PHM have in common? :retard:

Malisse has the game to be top 10 and he is nowhere now. If he does as good as PHM it would be great.

More luck in next life...our souls are advancing, getting better and mentally tougher each lifetime, so in couple of lifetimes Malisse´s and Berdych´s soul will graduate to Nadal´s. :angel: PHM is almost there...

Oh yes, good performance from Rafzilla indoors. :)