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Verd
10-18-2007, 12:17 AM
  

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2007, 12:18 AM
I know many of you guys don't like Boredo, but this was a very good match from both men :hatoff:.

Delpo really has talent. Today he actually stepped it up on the important points and was able to close the match. He also used his first serve very effectively, not so much in number of aces, but in terms of free points, easy putaways and dominating the rallies. He was broken only once and faced just 2 bps.

May be these wins will give him confidence and he'll start being mentally stronger. Otherwise, he'll be another Nalbandian or worse. Btw, he's playing Nalbi next.

The exodus of TMC hopefuls continues.

Last but not least, Delpo hit what surely is the best shot of the tournament and one of the best of the year, an unreal lob on the run between the legs. Hopefully someone will upload it to youtube.

TMJordan
10-18-2007, 12:18 AM
Wow :speakles:

I can't beleive he won :eek:

scarecrows
10-18-2007, 12:18 AM
thanks Del Potro :worship:

cmurray
10-18-2007, 12:19 AM
whoa. Did Tommy play really REALLY badly or something? DelPo isn't exactly known for taking out top ten players.

ASP0315
10-18-2007, 12:19 AM
wtf??
Tommy. :haha:

JMDP kept on retiring in his last few matches but all of sudden won two matches. :eek:

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:19 AM
Anyone want to go to Shanghai?

Anyone? :shrug:

Good match from JMDP

Dumb tactics from Robredo in sets 2 and 3 - trying to hit through Del Potro. Bad move.

Voo de Mar
10-18-2007, 12:20 AM
Good win JMDP :yeah:
Finally some win after long match.

Alex999
10-18-2007, 12:20 AM
Del Potro was on fire. Amazing tennis. Boredo played very well too. I'm so glad I was able to see this. This was the best match of the tourney so far.

ReturnWinner
10-18-2007, 12:20 AM
Anyone want to go to Shanghai?

Anyone? :shrug:

Good match from JMDP

Dumb tactics from Robredo in sets 2 and 3 - trying to hit through Del Potro. Bad move.

yes Gonzalez wants

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:21 AM
Well done JMDP and the cheat stays out of the top 8. Haas is in there at the moment, but can anyone left pass him this week?

marcRD
10-18-2007, 12:21 AM
Officialy Robredo may be top 10, but we all know that he is not a real top 10 player.

stebs
10-18-2007, 12:21 AM
JMDP played pretty damn good all match.

First set was aweosme from both. That was JMDP bringing his game and being bettered but then the Pony carried on whilst Robredo's level dipped.

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2007, 12:21 AM
Delpo played extremely well and didn't choke. He deserves full credit for this match, regardless of his shaky physical and mental shape in other matches.

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:22 AM
Del Potro was on fire in second and third set. Amazing tennis. Boredo played very well too. I'm so glad I was able to see this. This was the best match of the tourney so far.

Boredo played well, and lost to a better man. That's how it is when he loses.

TMJordan
10-18-2007, 12:22 AM
yes Gonzalez wants

Pico will get him tommorow :yeah:

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:23 AM
yes Gonzalez wants
In the top 20, players left in the draw who want to qualify, there's only Robredo, Canas, Murray, Ferrero left...

The rest all went.

mangoes
10-18-2007, 12:23 AM
I feel sad for Robredo.

This was for the most part a good match. But, Robredo lost his script during this match. Del Porto played a very good match and deserves to be congratulated........especially when considering that he lost the first set.

Again the BYE strikes. I don't think the top players having byes at masters events is a bonus or advantage. Too many top players went out today. And that is mostly in part to the fact that they faced good opponents who were not playing their first match on the court.

Snowwy
10-18-2007, 12:23 AM
Well done JMDP and the cheat stays out of the top 8. Haas is in there at the moment, but can anyone left pass him this week?

How is he a cheat?

Sunset of Age
10-18-2007, 12:23 AM
Great job, JMDP!!! :hatoff:

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2007, 12:23 AM
Pico will get him tommorow :yeah:

Yeah, but the single win he got over all the other hopefuls will be a huge boost for him. Every point counts.

Sommarsverige
10-18-2007, 12:24 AM
Yes, JMDP really played a great match :worship:

After the first set I was sure it would get fast for Tommy in the 2nd, but I was wrong :(

All credits to JMDP, but I am very sad for Tommy :sad: :sad:
Somehow this result fits to the day... :p

scarecrows
10-18-2007, 12:25 AM
In the top 20, players left in the draw who want to qualify, there's only Robredo, Canas, Murray, Ferrero left...

The rest all went.

you surely mean Gonzalez ;)

and we know that Ferrero and Canas will go out tomorrow almost surely

more chances for Murray and Gonzalez to advance

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2007, 12:25 AM
In the top 20, players left in the draw who want to qualify, there's only Robredo, Canas, Murray, Ferrero left...

The rest all went.

Isn't Pico top 20? Maybe he's 21 or 22, but he has a mathematical shot at TMC as well.

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:25 AM
How is he a cheat?

Gamesmanship, taking time outs to put his opponents off and behaving like a prick to his opponents, as well as being boring and being a mediocre pusher.

The best was when he tried to throw Ancic off concentration in RG last year, Ancic then did the same to him and won.

cobalt60
10-18-2007, 12:25 AM
This is nice to see :yeah:

leng jai
10-18-2007, 12:26 AM
At this rate Haas will still be 8th in the race after Madrid which will be freaking hilarious.

Boredo must be the first "top 10 win" for heaps of players on tour.

connectolove
10-18-2007, 12:26 AM
I could not watch the last set of this game and I am sooo dissapointed now that I know the end. This was a great match, both players played fantastic tennis but I am sorry for Robredo :-(

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:26 AM
you surely mean Gonzalez ;)

and we know that Ferrero and Canas will go out tomorrow almost surely

more chances for Murray and Gonzalez to advance
Yes I meant Gonzalez

Gonzalez, Canas, Murray, Ferrero in the top 20, then Monaco and Mathieu just below them.

cmurray
10-18-2007, 12:26 AM
Well, that's a relief. I really like JMDP and I'm happy that he's finding some form (still sorry about Robredo though).

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:27 AM
How many points is Murray behind Haas right now?

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:29 AM
So when Robredo does it, it's gamesmanship, but when Ancic does it it's okay because "he started it"? Where else does this ten-year-old mentality apply?
to 9 year olds and below :angel:

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:29 AM
So when Robredo does it, it's gamesmanship, but when Ancic does it it's okay because "he started it"? Where else does this ten-year-old mentality apply?

Ancic did it the once and in revenge and he hasn't done it any other time.

Your man did it against Costa and the worst was 15-40 down in Barcelona serving for the match against Gaudio, that was plain dirty and snide.

krystlel
10-18-2007, 12:30 AM
Impressive match from Del Potro.

Andi-M
10-18-2007, 12:30 AM
congrats JMDP but beating Boredo is hardly the kind of top 10 victory thats gonna worry anyone.

ReturnWinner
10-18-2007, 12:31 AM
Ancic did it the once and in revenge and he hasn't done it any other time.

Your man did it against Costa and the worst was 15-40 down in Barcelona serving for the match against Gaudio, that was plain dirty and snide.
yeah I remember that but i think he has not done things like that since

then and he is far from being like Fakevic :o

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:34 AM
How many points is Murray behind Haas right now?
Haas 329

Murray 281

Still a fair gap but a good run here and elsewhere in the next 2 weeks could close it.

Of course, if he loses to Nadal tomorrow it's virtually over for Andy

Jimnik
10-18-2007, 12:34 AM
Very impressive, best match I've ever seen JMDP play.

Just like Berdych he seems to be another PMS so it's no surprise to see him play well indoors. He was hitting very crisply off both wings. I think the way the ball gets up high on these courts, especially with the topspin that Robredo generates, really suits him. It goes right into his hitting zone and he can generate power seemingly without effort.

It's also good to see that the work he put into his serve over the summer is paying off. When I saw him in Miami he looked like another tall player with a weak serve. But if he keeps up the good work he could turn it into a real weapon.

Nice to see an Argentine who loves the fast courts. Keep it up JM. :yeah:

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2007, 12:35 AM
congrats JMDP but beating Boredo is hardly the kind of top 10 victory thats gonna worry anyone.

Have you seen the match? It's how he did it more than what he did. And it's not that this is going to worry others, it's that it could give JMDP a huge confidence boost. But this remains to be seen.

Burrow
10-18-2007, 12:36 AM
Well done JMDP and the cheat stays out of the top 8. Haas is in there at the moment, but can anyone left pass him this week?

Cheat?

On this surface Del Potro had every chance and he took it, credit.

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:37 AM
My point exactly - doing it once and for "revenge" makes it less an act of gamesmanship than when others do it? Of course there are some situations where it's more unsavory but like most people who complain about gamesmanship you pick and choose what gamesmanship is okay and what isn't, and the distinctions are arbitrary. Be consistent or hate the game, not the players.

The fact it didn't work against Costa or Ancic is proof enough that it takes more than timeouts for Robredo to win a match and I'm pretty certain that you're more upset about Gaudio's Barcelona loss than he is. :tape:

I'm not the biggest fan of Gaudio but that was exploitation. Blatant cheating, he came out after the timeout with nothing wrong with him.

He tried to do it to Ancic, and then Ancic was genuinely injured before taking the timeout at the right moment.

Jimnik
10-18-2007, 12:38 AM
Yes I meant Gonzalez

Gonzalez, Canas, Murray, Ferrero in the top 20, then Monaco and Mathieu just below them.
JCF isn't quite in the top 20 yet. For him to stand any realistic chance (of Shanghai) he'd have to beat Djokovic and make, at least, the SF here.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 12:39 AM
So happy someone donkey punched that clown of the highest order called Boredo. :D :D :D

MADE MY DAY.

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:39 AM
Haas 329

Murray 281

Still a fair gap but a good run here and elsewhere in the next 2 weeks could close it.

Of course, if he loses to Nadal tomorrow it's virtually over for Andy

If he beats him he'll close in. Hasn't he put down St Petersburg? That could be a long draining trip.

ufokart
10-18-2007, 12:41 AM
JMDP :yeah:

scarecrows
10-18-2007, 12:42 AM
So happy someone donkey punched that clown of the highest order called Boredo. :D :D :D

MADE MY DAY.

even if it's you "beloved" Del Pony? :p

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 12:43 AM
even if it's you "beloved" Del Pony? :p

He'll lose next round or another anyway - probably by retirement. :p

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:45 AM
If he beats him he'll close in. Hasn't he put down St Petersburg? That could be a long draining trip.
Yes he's scheduled to play St Petersburg, not a major trip really, then back for Paris.

This race to Shanghai is crazy.

How can it be possible that someone as low as Karlovic can actually still be in with a shout of making Shanghai, with this week + 2 more to go? He's ranked 24, he was ranked 108 on April 9th and he could still make Shanghai.

Mental :)

ufokart
10-18-2007, 12:46 AM
Yes he's scheduled to play St Petersburg, not a major trip really, then back for Paris.

This race to Shanghai is crazy.

How can it be possible that someone as low as Karlovic can actually still be in with a shout of making Shanghai, with this week + 2 more to go? He's ranked 24, he was ranked 108 on April 9th and he could still make Shanghai.

Mental :)

Some people will tell you that happens because it's a clown or mug era :lol:

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:47 AM
Yes he's scheduled to play St Petersburg, not a major trip really, then back for Paris.

This race to Shanghai is crazy.

How can it be possible that someone as low as Karlovic can actually still be in with a shout of making Shanghai, with this week + 2 more to go? He's ranked 24, he was ranked 108 on April 9th and he could still make Shanghai.

Mental :)

So for Murray to overtake Haas he needs to reach the SF?

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2007, 12:47 AM
He'll lose next round or another anyway - probably by retirement. :p

Well, he's playing Nalbi next so one of your love-to-hate-you argies will be in the QFs :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 12:49 AM
Some people will tell you that happens because it's a clown or mug era :lol:

Clown era.

Well, he's playing Nalbi next so one of your love-to-hate-you argies will be in the QFs :wavey:

I don't hate players because they're Argies. I hate overrated players, and those are two of the most of all time.

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:49 AM
So for Murray to overtake Haas he needs to reach the SF?
I think Murray needs to be RU to displace Haas this weekIt seems unlikely to me, though, that it would be done in one go - I suspect a deep run here + another good run elsewhere these next 2 weeks would be needed.

rocketassist
10-18-2007, 12:50 AM
I think Murray needs to be RU to displace Haas this weekIt seems unlikely to me, though, that it would be done in one go - I suspect a deep run here + another good run elsewhere these next 2 weeks would be needed.

The draw looks alright after Nadal if he can do it.

scoobs
10-18-2007, 12:52 AM
Some people will tell you that happens because it's a clown or mug era :lol:
It's certainly indicative that there haven't been enough players asserting their credentials at the top of the game often enough, this year, if a guy like Karlovic, who, with greatest respect, hasn't been past the 2nd round of a slam all year, nor the 3rd round of a TMS all year, can actually still be in the running for the TMC.

It makes the idea of the TMC more than a bit meaningless.

ufokart
10-18-2007, 12:52 AM
Clown era.

:lol:

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2007, 12:53 AM
I don't hate players because they're Argies. I hate overrated players, and those are two of the most of all time.

You hate all players who don't fit your very narrow definition of good tennis. They're all overrated, clowns and moonballers :rolleyes: . If you had seen this match I'm sure you'd have appreciated some of Delpo's game - he mixes it up and plays attacking and net tennis as well.

Andi-M
10-18-2007, 12:59 AM
If Murray could make Shanghai by getting zero points in 2 GS tournaments that really would be something!!!!!!!


I really think he can win Madrid, if he wins 2moro.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 12:59 AM
You hate all players who don't fit your very narrow definition of good tennis. They're all overrated, clowns and moonballers :rolleyes: . If you had seen this match I'm sure you'd have appreciated some of Delpo's game - he mixes it up and plays attacking and net tennis as well.

Can't serve, can't volley, is a choker and well... retiring not to lose is at least disrespectful.

scoobs
10-18-2007, 01:00 AM
If Murray could make Shanghai by getting zero points in 2 GS tournaments that really would be something!!!!!!!


I really think he can win Madrid, if he wins 2moro.
I think that's a bit optimistic - there's still a world #1 and #3 to worry about in the draw.

ReturnWinner
10-18-2007, 01:00 AM
Can't serve, can't volley, is a choker and well... retiring not to lose is at least disrespectful.

Del Pony volleyed pretty well today, i was suprised

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2007, 01:02 AM
Can't serve, can't volley, is a choker and well... retiring not to lose is at least disrespectful.

You clearly didn't see today's match. He served extremely well, he volleyed ok, he didn't choke at all and he finished a long match. And he's just turned 19, so although I agree with you on most points, he's still learning and today he proved he has potential to prove you wrong on all counts.

scoobs
10-18-2007, 01:14 AM
I agree. Not even players like Roger or Justine are at their best in their first matches at an event, so what's been happening today with everyone dropping like flies isn't too surprising. :tape:
Partly the byes, partly the pressure of wanting to make Shanghai.

It can't be coincidence, they have dropped line ninepins these last two days - Haas and Chela led the way, and the rest have followed them off the cliff like lemmings.

ufokart
10-18-2007, 01:15 AM
It's certainly indicative that there haven't been enough players asserting their credentials at the top of the game often enough, this year, if a guy like Karlovic, who, with greatest respect, hasn't been past the 2nd round of a slam all year, nor the 3rd round of a TMS all year, can actually still be in the running for the TMC.

It makes the idea of the TMC more than a bit meaningless.

Yeah, i must say that's pretty bizarre :lol:

At least we are going to have fun in Paris :p :lol:

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2007, 01:28 AM
You clearly didn't see today's match. He served extremely well, he volleyed ok, he didn't choke at all and he finished a long match. And he's just turned 19, so although I agree with you on most points, he's still learning and today he proved he has potential to prove you wrong on all counts.

We'll see, but right now he's taking Gasquet's way.

Merton
10-18-2007, 01:42 AM
Excellent match and good fighting spirit from JMDP, hopefully he will recover enough to make a fight tomorrow against David.

my0118
10-18-2007, 01:44 AM
Nice. Robredo shouldn't be the exception when every seed gets eliminated.
Congrats to Del Potro.

Action Jackson
10-18-2007, 02:05 AM
Good match from the youngster and always good to see the caño come out and Robredo's face after he got lobbed, hehe.

Corey Feldman
10-18-2007, 02:15 AM
:lol:

at the start of this event the contenders for TMC were like this:

8.Haas 328
9.Robredo 327
10.Blake 326
11.Gasquet 320
12.Berdych 317
13.Moya 315
14.Ljubicic 314
15.Chela 283
16.Youzhny 281.

and not one of them won a match :o:o

absolute Pansy's the lot of them, Cept Chela who ran into a steaming hot Haggis and could do nothing.

Haas must be laughing, he stays 8th.

even one win from Ljubo coulda jumped him from 14th > 8th but Stefan stuffed him lol.

jayjay
10-18-2007, 02:28 AM
In what has largely been a stop/start and underwhelming season this goes down as one of his better performances (and wins) of the year along with the matches against Melzer (DC), Youzhny & Canas.

ReturnWinner
10-18-2007, 02:47 AM
and Gonzalez got lucky by playing Almugro who choked :o

World Beater
10-18-2007, 02:52 AM
hopefully haas makes it. i would have preferred berd or even ljubicic indoors. But they prolly wont make it either.

tennizen
10-18-2007, 03:14 AM
I just realized that Robredo is " the guy" in the top ten whom 19 year olds beat in order to gain confidence. Del Potro in Madrid and Gulbis in US Open. If I remember correctly Djokovic's first top 10 victory was over Robredo:D

Spes
10-18-2007, 03:16 AM
they both played extremely well, i thought.
del potro played the match of his life, and won. nothing to be ashamed of for tommy. :shrug:

Clara Bow
10-18-2007, 03:17 AM
That was the best match I have ever seen JMDP play. His serve is more of a factor- and the technique on some of his volleys was very nice- the announcers were raving- and I was surprised. He actually can mover pretty well for a big guy. That tweener lob was awesome too. Well done. Hopefully this win will give him the confidence to be more consistent in his play during matches.

Well- it seems that Gonzo is the only one in the race who will make inroads at this tournament- all of the other fellows canceled each other out. I imagine Paris will be very exciting this year.

dylan24
10-18-2007, 04:01 AM
way to go tommy girl.
you and haas are truly tommy girls

ChinoRios4Ever
10-18-2007, 04:29 AM
thank you Del Potro :yeah:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-18-2007, 05:33 AM
I didn't watch the match,but glad to know Tommy played not bad.

VolandriFan
10-18-2007, 08:02 AM
Juan Martin is confirming what some of us have long thought. He has the talent to win a slam, and I think he has a chance to deliver on that in 2-3 years.

Jaap
10-18-2007, 08:19 AM
Juan Martin is confirming what some of us have long thought. He has the talent to win a slam, and I think he has a chance to deliver on that in 2-3 years.

LOL

*Ljubica*
10-18-2007, 09:00 AM
My point exactly - how is doing it once and for "revenge" less an act of gamesmanship than when others do it? In fact, when you normally don't do it and then pull it out just for the sake of "revenge," isn't that a bigger sign of gamesmanship than anything? Of course there are some situations where it's more unsavory but like most people who complain about gamesmanship you pick and choose what gamesmanship is okay and what isn't, and the distinctions are arbitrary. Either be consistent or hate the game's rules and not the players.

The fact it didn't work against Costa or Ancic at Roland Garros is proof enough that it takes more than timeouts for Robredo to win matches, and if he's the shady player you make him out to be I'm sure that all his opponents will be prepared for it, if they're smart. I'm pretty certain that you're more upset about Gaudio's Barcelona loss than he is. :tape:

Well said my friend. I was privelaged to be at the match here in Madrid last night - I love both Juan Martin AND Tommy and it was a great match. Both played well - JM was better when it mattered on the day. And as someone who was at the Robredo/Gaudio final in Barcelona live too (and loved both equally that day as well), I would say Tommy did not "cheat". Maybe a little "gamesmanship" -but sadly we see that all the time from almost everyone on the ATP. To accuse Tommy and ignore the hundreds of others is pretty pathetic in my opinion.

VolandriFan
10-18-2007, 09:06 AM
LOL

Did your laughing last longer than your usual sentences do?

MariaV
10-18-2007, 09:11 AM
Very impressive, best match I've ever seen JMDP play.

Just like Berdych he seems to be another PMS so it's no surprise to see him play well indoors. He was hitting very crisply off both wings. I think the way the ball gets up high on these courts, especially with the topspin that Robredo generates, really suits him. It goes right into his hitting zone and he can generate power seemingly without effort.

It's also good to see that the work he put into his serve over the summer is paying off. When I saw him in Miami he looked like another tall player with a weak serve. But if he keeps up the good work he could turn it into a real weapon.

Nice to see an Argentine who loves the fast courts. Keep it up JM. :yeah:


What's PMS? Poor Man's Sampras?