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Madrid R2 : Federer - Ginepri 7:6 6:4

Adler
10-16-2007, 07:35 PM
Not a bad performance by Roger considering that it was his 1st match since US Open, in fact he's hit some nice winners there. Robby wasn't bad, it's just not his level

Now, time for an Argie encounter

Apemant
10-16-2007, 07:37 PM
Not a bad performance by Roger considering that it was his 1st match since US Open, in fact he's hit some nice winners there. Robby wasn't bad, it's just not his level

Now, time for an Argie encounter

Ginepri did produce some nice penetrating groundies, but he missed too many of them... strong looking fellow, that Robby

Fumus
10-16-2007, 07:37 PM
Awesome play by Robby, that was his best match in years. Ginepri had some chances in the first, and a chance to break back in the second but Fed was too good. Hopefully Ginepri gets a better draw in Paris...I think he could progress really far if that's the case. Fed looked really good although he had to play well, Ginepri was playing like a top 20 guy.

marcRD
10-16-2007, 07:39 PM
Amazing match. Some wonderful points.

Corey Feldman
10-16-2007, 07:40 PM
Welcome back from hibernation

nanoman
10-16-2007, 07:40 PM
This Federer is all serve. If he doesn't find the timing on his forehand soon, especially on the run, he could be in a world of hurt the next match.

Fee
10-16-2007, 07:41 PM
Fed's plan to blend into the background with that bland outfit worked, causing Robby to get confused on crucial points.

LinkMage
10-16-2007, 07:41 PM
Match stats:

Fed:
1st serve %: 61%
Winners: 31
UEs: 30

Ginepri:
1st serve %: 58%
Winners: 13
UEs: 26

That tennis kid
10-16-2007, 07:41 PM
Ginepri has performed well at Madrid the past few years, just unfortunate he ran into Federer so soon. Federer looking good for his first match back, but should raise his game a few levels over the next few rounds.

Adler
10-16-2007, 07:43 PM
Awesome play by Robby, that was his best match in years
Wow, aren't you a bit overreacting? Some strokes were nice and some sweet 2005 forehand crosscourt memories came back, but he hardly ever could do anything with the backhand and his serve wasn't that good as well. But on the other hand, you often look like newbie playing against Roger :)

LinkMage
10-16-2007, 07:44 PM
Fed played pretty well for being his 1st match in a long time. I think Fed plays better indoors where the wind is not a factor for his precise shots.

Burrow
10-16-2007, 07:45 PM
The fact was adler, that this was definately one of his best matches since his ongoing dip, and that is undeniable.

Ginepri can live with the best of them.

cmurray
10-16-2007, 07:46 PM
I didn't watch this match yet - my kids are watching Star Wars so I tivo'd it...why was it even as close as it was? Given Ginepri's form of late, I'd have expected a blow-out. :shrug:

trixtah
10-16-2007, 07:47 PM
Saving that first set point was one of the best rallies I've seen all year. Excellent stuff, too bad it ended with an error

Fee
10-16-2007, 07:49 PM
I didn't watch this match yet - my kids are watching Star Wars so I tivo'd it...why was it even as close as it was? Given Ginepri's form of late, I'd have expected a blow-out. :shrug:

Because Federer only played as well as he needed to to win, and Robby was playing like it was the USO, I suppose. Not to take anything away from Robby, I'm sure he put in the effort, but I wonder if Fed was treating this like a workout in some ways since it was his first match in a few weeks.

rofe
10-16-2007, 07:49 PM
I didn't watch this match yet - my kids are watching Star Wars so I tivo'd it...why was it even as close as it was? Given Ginepri's form of late, I'd have expected a blow-out. :shrug:

Ginepri didn't want to get humiliated so played much better than he has been lately. Also, he probably thought he had a chance against a rusty Fed so kept his focus.

Metis
10-16-2007, 07:49 PM
Entertaining match even though the result was never in doubt! Ginepri was playing well and the crowd was behind him :yeah:.

Apemant
10-16-2007, 07:50 PM
Yep, Fed's timing on the FH is still not good, on the other hand, he did hit some really nice half volleys from inside the baseline, much to Ginepri's dismay who probably expected his nice counterattacking FH CC would draw an error from Fed. But Fed still can play well from inside the field, which requires great reflexes if your opponent is giving you deep shots with pace like Robby was trying (with not much success though)

cmurray
10-16-2007, 07:56 PM
Thank you for the responses, Fee and Rofe.

Based on this form is there any chance of a Canas robbery again?

trixtah
10-16-2007, 07:58 PM
Thank you for the responses, Fee and Rofe.

Based on this form is there any chance of a Canas robbery again?

If Canas can run hard like he was running in the past 2 meetings, definitely a chance he'll win.

rofe
10-16-2007, 07:58 PM
Thank you for the responses, Fee and Rofe.

Based on this form is there any chance of a Canas robbery again?

There is always a chance. :)

bokehlicious
10-16-2007, 08:02 PM
Based on this form is there any chance of a Canas robbery again?

Keep your fingers crossed darling, it might happen, who knows... :)

nobama
10-16-2007, 08:06 PM
Doesn't Canas have to beat Calleri first?

cmurray
10-16-2007, 08:13 PM
Doesn't Canas have to beat Calleri first?

Relax, love. Of course he has to beat Calleri first. I didn't say "when they play", I said IF they play.

cmurray
10-16-2007, 08:17 PM
Keep your fingers crossed darling, it might happen, who knows... :)

Good grief. You're really a jerk, aren't you? Where did I say I was waiting for such an eventuality with bated breath? I was asking for an HONEST assessment of Federer's form. And considering what happened the last two times Fed ran into Willy at an AMS event, I don't think it was particularly out of line.

Fumus
10-16-2007, 08:17 PM
Wow, aren't you a bit overreacting? Some strokes were nice and some sweet 2005 forehand crosscourt memories came back, but he hardly ever could do anything with the backhand and his serve wasn't that good as well. But on the other hand, you often look like newbie playing against Roger :)

Wow, did you even watch the match? Ginepri's serve wasn't that good? He was only broken once and against the world's best returner that means something. Couldn't do anything with his backhand!??! Lolz...that's why Ginepri always plays Fed tough actually is because he has such a good backhand.

RickDaStick
10-16-2007, 08:20 PM
Awesome play by Robby, that was his best match in years. Ginepri had some chances in the first, and a chance to break back in the second but Fed was too good. Hopefully Ginepri gets a better draw in Paris...I think he could progress really far if that's the case. Fed looked really good although he had to play well, Ginepri was playing like a top 20 guy.

13 winners 26 UE and that was his best match in years?:haha: :haha: :haha: Robby really suck. But I have to give him credit for being the only American who doesnt shit his pants when he walks on the court with Roger

Adler
10-16-2007, 08:23 PM
I've seen and Federer was barely giving a try in Robby's service games. In factm, the only time he did was when he had a SP @ 5:4* and there was this nice looking rally :shrug:
Anyway, Robby played a really good match VS FEDERER (I'm pointing it out cause it seems that my posts were like bitching Ginepri)

musefanatic
10-16-2007, 08:23 PM
Good win Fed, nice to see him back in action :)

Fumus
10-16-2007, 08:24 PM
13 winners 26 UE and that was his best match in years?:haha: :haha: :haha: Robby really suck. But I have to give him credit for being the only American who doesnt shit his pants when he walks on the court with Roger

The numbers aren't impressive, per se...but what you can't see is forced errors by Federer that Ginepri caused, these are out right winners against most everyone else...

bokehlicious
10-16-2007, 08:30 PM
Good grief. You're really a jerk, aren't you? Where did I say I was waiting for such an eventuality with bated breath? I was asking for an HONEST assessment of Federer's form. And considering what happened the last two times Fed ran into Willy at an AMS event, I don't think it was particularly out of line.

:hug: no shame in rooting for Willy, honey ;) take a deep breath, this is just some message boards... :kiss:

Rogieva
10-16-2007, 08:33 PM
Nice win, Roger. :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:

cmurray
10-16-2007, 08:35 PM
:hug: no shame in rooting for Willy, honey ;) take a deep breath, this is just some message boards... :kiss:

I wouldn't feel shame in rooting for Willy. As it turns out, I'm not a big fan of his game, but if I were, I certainly wouldn't be apologizing for it. :hug:

Dimonator133
10-16-2007, 08:36 PM
Fed's plan to blend into the background with that bland outfit worked, causing Robby to get confused on crucial points.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dimonator133
10-16-2007, 08:37 PM
damnit, Bob. good effort tho.


now Willy needs to pull off a miracle in Canas-Federer III to make up for this.

tangerine_dream
10-16-2007, 08:38 PM
Wow, closer scoreline that I would have imagined. Glad to hear that Robby was playing very well. :hatoff:

Fed's plan to blend into the background with that bland outfit worked, causing Robby to get confused on crucial points.
:lol: We expect so much from Roger now, even with his warddrobe.

Based on this form is there any chance of a Canas robbery again?
You mean mugging? (just to work in the new buzz word around here) ;)

cmurray
10-16-2007, 08:46 PM
Wow, closer scoreline that I would have imagined. Glad to hear that Robby was playing very well. :hatoff:


:lol: We expect so much from Roger now, even with his warddrobe.


You mean mugging? (just to work in the new buzz word around here) ;)

Nope. i'm avoiding the word "mug" and any of its derivatives. ;)

mangoes
10-16-2007, 08:52 PM
I thought, of all the matches today, this was the best one in terms of quality. I'm still shaking my head at Roger's forehand.

If only Ginepri would put as much effort into his other matches.......... This was one of his better matches in quite some time.

mangoes
10-16-2007, 09:01 PM
I wouldn't feel shame in rooting for Willy. As it turns out, I'm not a big fan of his game, but if I were, I certainly wouldn't be apologizing for it. :hug:

:lol: :lol: Cheryl I'm quite sure you'll be very happy if that werewolf stopped Roger from gaining points. :lol: :lol: I'm hoping that the scottish bugs bunny stops your sweetheart from gaining points:lol: :lol: :lol: If only that no. 1 were already in the bag:lol: :lol:

Fee
10-16-2007, 09:05 PM
:lol: We expect so much from Roger now, even with his warddrobe.


;) I was actually disappointed there was no purse today. He really spoils us with those slam outfits of his. I guess we just have to wait until Australia in January. :sad:

tangerine_dream
10-16-2007, 09:10 PM
;) I was actually disappointed there was no purse today. He really spoils us with those slam outfits of his. I guess we just have to wait until Australia in January. :sad:
I wonder if the AO and Roland Garros organizers are offended that Roger doesn't dress up for them the way he does Wimbledon and US Open? :lol:

cmurray
10-16-2007, 09:11 PM
:lol: :lol: Cheryl I'm quite sure you'll be very happy if that werewolf stopped Roger from gaining points. :lol: :lol: I'm hoping that the scottish bugs bunny stops your sweetheart from gaining points:lol: :lol: :lol: If only that no. 1 were already in the bag:lol: :lol:

Well, that's true. It would be....rewarding if Nadal were to...say, win the tourney while Goat-boy lost in the third round. But besides that, I have no particular stake in seeing Canas beat Federer.

Incidentally, I HATE it when Murray and Raf play each other. Hard to know who to cheer for. :( It'd be nice to see Murray make it to Shanghai. OTOH, it would be nice if Nadal could actually get the #1 ranking. Its a real dilemma.

cmurray
10-16-2007, 09:13 PM
I wonder if the AO and Roland Garros organizers are offended that Roger doesn't dress up for them the way he does Wimbledon and US Open? :lol:

I don't know about you, but I'm hoping for a lycra cat-suit for Melbourne. :angel:

mangoes
10-16-2007, 09:17 PM
I don't know about you, but I'm hoping for a lycra cat-suit for Melbourne. :angel:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I hope no one from Nike is reading this suggestion. I suspect he may put a special outfit together for AO, but I think RG is off limits in that regard. Rafa reigns in that house:lol: :lol:

Fee
10-16-2007, 09:20 PM
Nike? Has he extended the contract yet? I can't believe they released the 2008 wardrobe for Roger when he may not even be wearing the clothes the day after Shanghai ends...

DwyaneWade
10-16-2007, 09:23 PM
Ginepri...what a mug :devil:

Federer always seems to do what is necessary to win. I doubt Canas beats Calleri to get to Federer, but if he did I am sure Roger would relish beating Willy down.

cmurray
10-16-2007, 09:24 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I hope no one from Nike is reading this suggestion. I suspect he may put a special outfit together for AO, but I think RG is off limits in that regard. Rafa reigns in that house:lol: :lol:

Do you think they'd give Rafa a lycra cat suit??? :drool: Though with his ass, that'd probably be downright indecent. :aplot:

wildegirl05
10-16-2007, 09:24 PM
I don't know about you, but I'm hoping for a lycra cat-suit for Melbourne. :angel:

personally, i thought those clingy shorts were a good step in that direction :lick: :angel:

DrJules
10-16-2007, 09:25 PM
:lol: :lol: Cheryl I'm quite sure you'll be very happy if that werewolf stopped Roger from gaining points. :lol: :lol: I'm hoping that the scottish bugs bunny stops your sweetheart from gaining points:lol: :lol: :lol: If only that no. 1 were already in the bag:lol: :lol:

9 * :lol: = Mangoes

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

mangoes
10-16-2007, 09:31 PM
Do you think they'd give Rafa a lycra cat suit??? :drool: Though with his ass, that'd probably be downright indecent. :aplot:

Hopefully NOT!!!!........especially considering the famous arse in lycra :haha: :haha:

9 * :lol: = Mangoes

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:ras: :ras: Obviously, MTF is giving me many laughs this afternoon.

Or Levy
10-16-2007, 09:33 PM
Of everyone we've seen today, Roger was the only one with a decent outfit. Those pants looked good, the top was simple and nice.

Apemant
10-16-2007, 09:39 PM
Ginepri...what a mug :devil:

Federer always seems to do what is necessary to win. I doubt Canas beats Calleri to get to Federer, but if he did I am sure Roger would relish beating Willy down.

I thought the same before their Miami match.

DwyaneWade
10-16-2007, 09:41 PM
Yeah but I live in Miami and the crowd there is absolutely NUTS when it comes to South American players. So Willy had that going for him, PLUS he still needed all sorts of luck to pull that match out. Not taking away anything from that win but the chances of that happening again area slim.

decrepitude
10-16-2007, 09:41 PM
Ginepri's top was a disgusting colour. Puke-green, yuk.

Apemant
10-16-2007, 09:49 PM
Yeah but I live in Miami and the crowd there is absolutely NUTS when it comes to South American players. So Willy had that going for him, PLUS he still needed all sorts of luck to pull that match out. Not taking away anything from that win but the chances of that happening again area slim.

Not that slim... Fed is still rusty having played like 3 matches in the last month, when he's like that he usually relies on many people surrender at the mere sight of TMF, and Canas knows (remembers) that he can actually go on and beat him.

Federer knows it, too :devil:

That tennis kid
10-16-2007, 10:03 PM
Not that slim... Fed is still rusty having played like 3 matches in the last month, when he's like that he usually relies on many people surrender at the mere sight of TMF, and Canas knows (remembers) that he can actually go on and beat him.

Federer knows it, too :devil:

Canas has a shot, but he needs to get past Calleri first which is far from certain. Going into Indian Wells and Miami, Canas had just won a tournament and had a series of impressive victories on the South American clay swing. This time he has only won matches back to back twice in the last three months. This time it's Canas, not Federer, who is in a slump so I don't rate Canas chances that highly.

Marek.
10-16-2007, 10:14 PM
Is this the same score as their match last year?

DwyaneWade
10-16-2007, 10:16 PM
Cmon you don't believe in that whole "federer aura makes players crap in their pants" garbage? It might have some effect but it is his crazy talent that makes him so hard to beat even when rusty (well except when he plays Davydenko, then Davy just chokes).

Anyways the matches will be played and I doubt Willy will get past Calleri anyways.

jcempire
10-16-2007, 10:21 PM
Not a bad performance by Roger considering that it was his 1st match since US Open, in fact he's hit some nice winners there. Robby wasn't bad, it's just not his level

Now, time for an Argie encounter

Robby play better tennis this time, He got to wake up. But he is not that guy who can beat Roger.

But, I believe Robby will make it to Top 20 next year

Apemant
10-16-2007, 10:27 PM
Cmon you don't believe in that whole "federer aura makes players crap in their pants" garbage? It might have some effect but it is his crazy talent that makes him so hard to beat even when rusty (well except when he plays Davydenko, then Davy just chokes).

Anyways the matches will be played and I doubt Willy will get past Calleri anyways.

you both misunderstood me, I don't think Canas chances are 'high', I just think it's not given that Fed would win. And yes, I do believe some people choke a bit playing Federer. It's human. Of course, it doesn't mean Fed doesn't deserve to win; after all, it was himself who caused that fear in the first place. It didn't fall from the sky, he had to earn it.

rocketassist
10-16-2007, 10:27 PM
Cmon you don't believe in that whole "federer aura makes players crap in their pants" garbage?

Mugdatis. End of debate.

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 10:28 PM
If the Canas match happens then it's Federer in 2 not even close sets.

He should be worried more about Calleri IMO, the guy has some serious firepower.

stebs
10-16-2007, 10:31 PM
If the Canas match happens then it's Federer in 2 not even close sets.

He should be worried more about Calleri IMO, the guy has some serious firepower.

I agree that Federer would beat Canas but not that he should be worried about Calleri. When did firepower last worry Federer?

rofe
10-16-2007, 10:35 PM
If the Canas match happens then it's Federer in 2 not even close sets.

He should be worried more about Calleri IMO, the guy has some serious firepower.

Calleri's BH DTL is the main thing that will worry Fed. I have to admit Calleri is fun to watch when he is on. I watched a few sets today against Dima and it was highly entertaining.

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 10:36 PM
I agree that Federer would beat Canas but not that he should be worried about Calleri. When did firepower last worry Federer?I don't think a player like Ginepri would have kept it close against him on any other surface. Remember also the Soderling match from last year, when Federer edged it out mentally in two long TB's.

On this particular surface (despite people saying it's slow) he could be pushed by hard hitters.

Grinders like Canas have nothing to offer though.

Rogiman
10-16-2007, 10:37 PM
Calleri's BH DTL is the main thing that will worry Fed. I have to admit Calleri is fun to watch when he is on. I watched a few sets today against Dima and it was highly entertaining.Calleri is amazing IMO.

stebs
10-16-2007, 10:43 PM
I don't think a player like Ginepri would have kept it close against him on any other surface. Remember also the Soderling match from last year, when Federer edged it out mentally in two long TB's.

On this particular surface (despite people saying it's slow) he could be pushed by hard hitters.

Grinders like Canas have nothing to offer though.

Good reasoning for sure but I still find it hard to imagine Federer getting beat by a big hitter.

R.Federer
10-16-2007, 11:15 PM
Do you think they'd give Rafa a lycra cat suit??? :drool: Though with his ass, that'd probably be downright indecent. :aplot:

Well did you think Serena was downright indecent in hers? Their bottoms are similar sized and similar shaped. You got a good preview of what he would look like seeing how she looked

FedFan_2007
10-16-2007, 11:32 PM
Willy Canas = Fed Killah in round 3.

Monteque
10-16-2007, 11:55 PM
Calleri is amazing IMO.

But not so consistent.:)

I dont believe it that Calleri never has a game with the Great Roger. It's good to the old man to have memory against the King before he retired.

mangoes
10-17-2007, 12:29 AM
Calleri's BH DTL is the main thing that will worry Fed. I have to admit Calleri is fun to watch when he is on. I watched a few sets today against Dima and it was highly entertaining.

I caught the latter part of the 2nd set and the 3rd. Calleri played some really nice tennis. His backhand was on fire. When Calleri is in the "zone" he is a delight to watch. It's really sad that his game runs hot and cold so easily.

DwyaneWade
10-17-2007, 12:34 AM
I don't think a player like Ginepri would have kept it close against him on any other surface. Remember also the Soderling match from last year, when Federer edged it out mentally in two long TB's.

On this particular surface (despite people saying it's slow) he could be pushed by hard hitters.

Grinders like Canas have nothing to offer though.

Calleri may have the necessary game but he is both inconsistent and a mental midget so expect a frustrating loss to Federer (along the lines of 7-6 6-4) where he has opportunities but can't close the deal.

Canas has simply no chance in his current slump and on this surface to trouble Federer. Obviously (for Apemant) there is always a chance but the chance of Canas beating Federer is much less than say a pidgeon like Davydenko doing the job.

NYCtennisfan
10-17-2007, 01:06 AM
A lot of errors from Federer but like he controlled the match and it was in his hands like most of his matches are. Ginepri played him tough in Cincy a few years back and played well here in Madrid in 2005. Good start to the tournament for Federer.

NYCtennisfan
10-17-2007, 01:10 AM
This surface suits Federer's game quite well because he can attack at times, play defense at times, but most importantly, the bounce and speed is just right for his BH. He hit the BH relly well here last year.

Maxpowers
10-17-2007, 01:40 AM
Did anyone record this? I'd like to see this matchup.

Merton
10-17-2007, 01:41 AM
A good match to get rid of the rust, it is hard to see Roger losing with this draw before the final.

Sunset of Age
10-17-2007, 01:51 AM
I don't see Rogelio losing this match, no.

Sunset of Age
10-17-2007, 01:52 AM
Willy Canas = Fed Killah in round 3.

Piss off, troll.

GonzoFed
10-17-2007, 01:55 AM
Piss off, troll.

I think he logged in with the wrong account this time. About the match: Fed got the job done in straights and was never in danger of losing this. That's enough for me.

Sunset of Age
10-17-2007, 02:03 AM
I think he logged in with the wrong account this time. About the match: Fed got the job done in straights and was never in danger of losing this. That's enough for me.

Thanks, I wasn't able to see the match (I was attending a RUSH-concert tonight, :worship: :worship: :worship: - now that was some THREE PETE SAMPRAS'es of ProgRock in a row, I might well say :p) - glad to read Rogi did well!

idolwatcher1
10-17-2007, 02:11 AM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2865/fedginbear1xs1.jpg



Robby's average first serve percentage is usually 65%...that's average. But in the second set, he was serving well below that at 44%, and his 2nd serve is much weaker and very attackable... against Roger, he simply can't afford to be serving like that. It's fitting, though, that the one double fault he served in the match occurred in the only game he was broken in. Roger on the other hand, had no trouble serving... He served 11 aces, and many of them came on crucial points. I will be surprised if Roger does not defend his title here in Madrid :)

Federerhingis
10-17-2007, 03:23 AM
Doesn't Canas have to beat Calleri first?

Precisely, Calleri is no slouch and his form of late indicates he's played better than Canas. Calleri can hit some huge penetrating groundies that can overwhelm the best of them especially a mostly defensive player like Canas.

Nevertheless, if Canas finds some good form and his defense is in prime form, Calleri on the other hand would be overwhelmed by Canas' defense, and bringing that extra third of fourth ball after Calleri may have believed to have hit a winner from his racket would become frustrated and discouraged.

Marek.
10-17-2007, 03:43 AM
Does anyone have highlights?

GonzoFed
10-17-2007, 03:50 AM
Does anyone have highlights?

You can watch highlights of the match here (//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVgTGgL1WE)

Corey Feldman
10-17-2007, 05:26 AM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2865/fedginbear1xs1.jpg


Has Fedbear lost half his leg or is he doing a stretch exercise? :sad:

Mechlan
10-17-2007, 06:20 AM
Entertaining match, Ginepri played quite well, it's just hard to beat Federer when you can't really attack his weaknesses and have to rely on plain outplaying him. This surface really suits Roger.

azza
10-17-2007, 08:12 AM
LOL fed struggled with this mug :o